WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.296 Councilors, it's now 2 p.m. and the 00:00:02.320 --> 00:00:03.976 ordering meeting of Wednesday the 25th 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:07.000 of February, 2026 will commence. Can I 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:08.535 make the announcement that all council 00:00:08.559 --> 00:00:11.559 meetings are live stream they recorded 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:12.856 as well and the recording can be 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:14.856 archived and made available on council's 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:17.880 website www.begavalley.nsw.gov.au 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:21.415 but I also acknowledge on behalf of 00:00:21.439 --> 00:00:23.255 the Bega Valley Shire council traditional 00:00:23.279 --> 00:00:25.015 custodians of the lands waterways and 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:27.816 airspace on which we are gathering today 00:00:27.840 --> 00:00:29.655 as part of the local government act to 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:30.936 read the statement of ethical 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:33.256 obligations. The mayor and council is 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:34.776 reminded that they remain bound by the 00:00:34.800 --> 00:00:36.776 oath affirmation of office made at the 00:00:36.800 --> 00:00:38.456 start of the council term to undertake 00:00:38.480 --> 00:00:40.055 their civic duties in the best interests 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:42.296 of the people of Bega Valley Shire and to 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:43.976 faithfully and impartially carry out the 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:45.576 functions, powers, authorities and 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:47.656 discretions vested in them under the 00:00:47.680 --> 00:00:49.576 local government act or any other act to 00:00:49.600 --> 00:00:51.736 the best of their skill and judgment. 00:00:51.760 --> 00:00:53.416 Mayor and council are also reminded of 00:00:53.440 --> 00:00:54.855 the requirement for disclosure of 00:00:54.879 --> 00:00:56.776 conflicts of interest in relation to 00:00:56.800 --> 00:00:58.936 items listed for consideration on the 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:01.335 agenda or which are considered at this 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:02.855 meeting in accordance with the code of 00:01:02.879 --> 00:01:04.535 conduct and code of meeting practice 00:01:04.559 --> 00:01:06.536 councilors. 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:09.496 No apologies Mr. CEO 00:01:09.520 --> 00:01:11.415 confirmation of the minutes held of the 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:13.976 meeting held the 28th of January 2026 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:16.536 says circulated be taken as and read 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:18.376 mover 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:20.536 councelor Nadin councelor O'Neil all in 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:23.016 favor carried unanimously any 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:25.976 declarations Mr. CEO 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:27.816 today's public forum we received 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:30.775 deputation on item 9.2 from Mr. Michael 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:32.536 Patton speaking against the staff 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:35.016 recommendation. There are no petitions. 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:37.496 Merilman, I've just got a verbal mel 00:01:37.520 --> 00:01:39.816 minute. I'd like to congratulate our 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:41.735 Olympic winter gold medalist Cooper 00:01:41.759 --> 00:01:44.696 Woods who arrives home tomorrow into Pambula 00:01:44.720 --> 00:01:47.656 Beach and of course a function on Friday 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:49.496 for him acknowledging him. I want to 00:01:49.520 --> 00:01:51.095 acknowledge Cooper on his achievements, 00:01:51.119 --> 00:01:52.936 his success at the Winter Olympics. As 00:01:52.960 --> 00:01:54.375 far as I know, he's the first Olympic 00:01:54.399 --> 00:01:56.616 gold medalist from the Bega Valley. I 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:58.375 don't know of any others there could 00:01:58.399 --> 00:01:59.976 have been some before my time but I 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:01.976 don't know of any others. So it's 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:03.256 quite an achievement for a young boy 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:05.176 from Pambula going to school in Pambula 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:07.735 and moving up and the community I think 00:02:07.759 --> 00:02:09.575 will express to both tomorrow at the 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:11.736 airport and also on Friday afternoon how 00:02:11.760 --> 00:02:13.816 proud they are of Cooper and his family 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:15.816 his family have used to own a 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:17.575 business at Pambula Beach and are really 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:19.256 well known in the community and so are 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:21.176 his three brothers as well and loved by 00:02:21.200 --> 00:02:22.855 everyone. So we look forward to that. 00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:24.776 So, congratulations to Cooper and his 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:26.536 family on all the achievements and also 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:28.056 the Australian Olympic team on the 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:29.496 outstanding achievements in the Winter 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:31.816 Olympics. 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:34.840 Thanks there's no urgent business 00:02:35.040 --> 00:02:36.776 staff reports, community environment and 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.800 planning councils 8.1. I just have I'm 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:42.136 happy to move the recommendation, but I 00:02:42.160 --> 00:02:44.295 have a point three to add if everyone's 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:46.136 in agreements. See if I get a second. 00:02:46.160 --> 00:02:48.295 Yeah. Point three is that council staff 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:49.976 provide a report reviewing the need for 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:51.575 the continuation of the affordable 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:53.896 housing group councils. As we go along, 00:02:53.920 --> 00:02:55.336 we should be reviewing all the groups 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:57.416 the staff time that's taken up on these 00:02:57.440 --> 00:02:59.336 and that's all all I'm asking there that 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:01.176 council pro staff provide a report 00:03:01.200 --> 00:03:02.776 reviewing the need for that. 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:04.376 That's.3. 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:07.400 So, councelor O'Neil second it wish to 00:03:08.959 --> 00:03:11.495 speak against or for it. 00:03:11.519 --> 00:03:14.056 I want to speak for it council now. 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.696 I just wanted to make the point that 00:03:16.720 --> 00:03:18.696 this group has actually contributed to 00:03:18.720 --> 00:03:20.696 this new stage they're going in and of 00:03:20.720 --> 00:03:21.976 course we should review it at this 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.000 stage. We are now I think 3 years in on 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:27.976 a pretty big project and it is and so 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:29.336 much has changed. It's time for a 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:32.360 review. The changes in the KPIs 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:35.256 actually allow us to track change as 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:37.656 they go along. They're online. They're 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:39.656 dynamic. And that is something that's 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:41.016 never happened before where we have to 00:03:41.040 --> 00:03:43.336 bring in consultants to review and go 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:45.495 back to the basics each time. They're 00:03:45.519 --> 00:03:47.495 not perfect. There are things we are not 00:03:47.519 --> 00:03:49.736 tracking here that we should be. But at 00:03:49.760 --> 00:03:51.495 least it's a practical approach forward. 00:03:51.519 --> 00:03:53.575 And from my point of view, the more we 00:03:53.599 --> 00:03:55.736 can do to actually put pressure for the 00:03:55.760 --> 00:03:57.736 change where it's needed. Don't spend 00:03:57.760 --> 00:04:00.056 time on the stuff we can't change is all 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.696 to the good can I just also pick up 00:04:02.720 --> 00:04:04.935 on a couple of things in the report? We 00:04:04.959 --> 00:04:06.696 are nowhere near our targets of extra 00:04:06.720 --> 00:04:08.935 housing yet, but there are a couple of 00:04:08.959 --> 00:04:10.855 good things that have happened. Look at 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:12.935 the number of permanent spaces and 00:04:12.959 --> 00:04:15.495 caravan parks in this report along. That 00:04:15.519 --> 00:04:18.055 is a good change that will help people. 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:20.775 And also, if you look at the um KPIs, we 00:04:20.799 --> 00:04:22.376 are now tracking for instance the social 00:04:22.400 --> 00:04:25.256 justice advocates, emergency housing and 00:04:25.280 --> 00:04:26.696 stuff that's happening with some of our 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:28.376 other people on the group as they are 00:04:28.400 --> 00:04:30.455 now. That's a step forward. 00:04:30.479 --> 00:04:33.256 Thanks, Councilor O'Neil. Speaker against council. 00:04:33.280 --> 00:04:36.280 Councelor Daly. question I agree. I 00:04:37.120 --> 00:04:39.256 think this is a good time to to have 00:04:39.280 --> 00:04:41.576 this review, but in just changing the 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.536 focus on the KPIs, moving from I think 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:46.776 eight sort of fairly discreet KPIs 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:48.615 through you, Mr. Mayor. I just wanted to 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:51.639 know from the director how we are 00:04:52.080 --> 00:04:54.615 sort of what we're continuing on there 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:56.216 because you know we do have this data 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.856 and this evidence and when be wary that 00:04:58.880 --> 00:05:00.536 we're not going to just you know throw 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:02.296 that out and start completely from 00:05:02.320 --> 00:05:05.320 scratch just to understand how the the 00:05:05.440 --> 00:05:08.440 ID platform um has been amended to 00:05:09.440 --> 00:05:11.416 help us to track these new KPIs and how 00:05:11.440 --> 00:05:12.936 we're going to continue with the data 00:05:12.960 --> 00:05:15.096 we've already sort of collected and 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:16.856 if that will continue to be collected in 00:05:16.880 --> 00:05:19.880 the new set of KPIs. 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.936 Thank you, Mr. Mayor so you will 00:05:22.960 --> 00:05:25.175 see that there's some of the KPIs that 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.816 were in the original report or 00:05:27.840 --> 00:05:30.455 strategy have been carried over into the 00:05:30.479 --> 00:05:32.536 new KPI report. Things like the number 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:35.560 of housing provided by community 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:38.056 housing providers by homes New South 00:05:38.080 --> 00:05:41.080 Wales and the change in that over 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:44.360 time is will be tracked. There were also 00:05:44.479 --> 00:05:46.136 a number of KPIs around the number of 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:48.536 affordable houses available to very low 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:50.615 and low-inccome renters and low-inccome 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:52.536 purchases through the market. We are 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:54.615 keeping those in the new report 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:56.536 really what the new report does as well 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:59.496 as keeping a number of the ones 00:05:59.520 --> 00:06:01.656 previously. It expands what we're 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:03.175 looking at more broadly so we can get a 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:04.696 much broader picture of the housing 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:07.720 situation in our Shire we worked really 00:06:07.919 --> 00:06:10.536 closely with profile ID who's the the 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:13.560 company or do ID who run the housing ID 00:06:13.919 --> 00:06:16.919 platform over probably almost 12 to 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:19.256 18 months and they have refined their 00:06:19.280 --> 00:06:20.856 platform and the way they present the 00:06:20.880 --> 00:06:23.880 data based on our need for information 00:06:24.560 --> 00:06:26.216 um which was based on the consultation 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:27.496 we had with the affordable housing 00:06:27.520 --> 00:06:30.520 implementation group. So that the 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:32.136 housing ID platform now what's being 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:34.295 shared publicly has been influenced by 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:35.656 the work that we've done with housing 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:37.096 ID. They are still looking at further 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:39.416 improvements but because of the 00:06:39.440 --> 00:06:41.015 changes made we can now more readily 00:06:41.039 --> 00:06:43.256 report on that data provided in a format 00:06:43.280 --> 00:06:45.895 that's easily digestible and also 00:06:45.919 --> 00:06:47.976 reduces risk of human error in terms of 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:50.295 transcribing data from one you know 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:52.856 platform to another the data on housing 00:06:52.880 --> 00:06:55.656 ID does drill down further which 00:06:55.680 --> 00:06:57.976 anyone can do that is a public 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:00.136 website so anyone can drill down into 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:02.136 any any part that they're interested in 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:04.056 but hopefully the new KPIs provide a 00:07:04.080 --> 00:07:07.015 broader understanding or broader picture 00:07:07.039 --> 00:07:10.039 of of what housing looks like in Asha 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:12.615 one further question one further 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.936 question um it's been discussed in the 00:07:14.960 --> 00:07:17.256 past why we don't set targets for 00:07:17.280 --> 00:07:19.735 some of those KPIs and I know partly 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:21.336 it's because there are issues there are 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:24.360 outside of our control but in terms 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:27.015 of the new KPIs, is that something that 00:07:27.039 --> 00:07:29.336 um staff would be willing to revisit via 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:31.175 the affordable housing implementation 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:34.199 group? 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.759 Through you, Mr. Mayor it's a 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:41.735 relatively complex question. A lot of 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:44.696 what we're tracking through the new KPIs 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:47.015 are things that council can potentially 00:07:47.039 --> 00:07:49.735 influence but doesn't control. So, as 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:52.759 far as council setting a target, it's a 00:07:52.960 --> 00:07:54.615 very hard thing to do because we can't 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:56.216 control whether that target is met or 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:58.615 not. The other point that I'd make is a 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:01.639 lot of these um KPIs are 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:05.256 it takes a significant amount of time to 00:08:05.280 --> 00:08:07.015 see change. So when we're talking about 00:08:07.039 --> 00:08:08.855 new dwellings being approved or new 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:11.096 dwellings being built, um it might be 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.656 that we see in this report zero for a 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:16.136 number of reports and then so for 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:17.656 example when the homes New South Wales 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:20.680 TA redevelopment is built or or gets 00:08:20.960 --> 00:08:22.536 to sales stage 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:24.615 that'll increase by I'm going to get the 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:27.496 number wrong 24 I think homes in one in 00:08:27.520 --> 00:08:30.216 one hit and then it might be zero for a 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:31.175 while. There's a lot of work that goes 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:33.815 on in the background to to see these 00:08:33.839 --> 00:08:36.616 before we see them result in a stat. So 00:08:36.640 --> 00:08:39.640 they don't quite provide a full picture. 00:08:39.760 --> 00:08:42.375 Mr. May, I just want to add to that the 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:44.296 the work on the KPIs that we're talking 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:45.736 about that we've now got through housing 00:08:45.760 --> 00:08:48.136 ID. They don't come free to council. We 00:08:48.160 --> 00:08:49.976 are paying license fees to have systems 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.935 in place to be able to track data. So, 00:08:52.959 --> 00:08:54.536 just want to make that point that when 00:08:54.560 --> 00:08:57.416 we do come back, um if the the I don't 00:08:57.440 --> 00:08:59.336 know if the motion's actually been voted 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:01.416 on yet, but if we do come back, we will 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:03.656 talk about the resources already going 00:09:03.680 --> 00:09:05.576 into some of this work and and where 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:07.656 best to utilize resources. What I'm 00:09:07.680 --> 00:09:09.096 alluding to here is every time we start 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:12.056 adding another thing to measure, track, 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.456 set as a target, it's more resource that 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:16.216 takes us away from other things that 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:19.096 council's got in its adopted priorities. 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:20.616 Thanks, 00:09:20.640 --> 00:09:21.896 Council. you. 00:09:21.920 --> 00:09:23.736 Um yeah, just in support of your motion 00:09:23.760 --> 00:09:26.056 three, mayor. Um and just a general 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:28.375 discussion about the housing strategy 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:29.976 implementation group and new and new 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.216 KPIs. There's an element of us measuring 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:34.296 how far the water is above our head and 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:35.896 once it's once it's over your head, it 00:09:35.920 --> 00:09:38.296 really doesn't matter that much. Um and 00:09:38.320 --> 00:09:39.656 I think we should acknowledge here that 00:09:39.680 --> 00:09:41.255 there's a limit what this local council 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:42.776 can do without state government and 00:09:42.800 --> 00:09:44.856 federal government support. We need the 00:09:44.880 --> 00:09:46.456 federal government to come behind us. we 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:47.976 need the state government to support us 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:49.176 if we're going to do something about 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:51.736 housing in our SH. So I want to make 00:09:51.760 --> 00:09:54.760 that point. Um and um I think while this 00:09:56.560 --> 00:09:58.696 um review needs to happen while all of 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.720 our um um um strategy should be reviewed 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:04.456 um it's important even if it's not that 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:06.056 as effective as we would hope it's 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:07.176 important that we're in that space 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.815 having the conversation. 00:10:09.839 --> 00:10:12.839 Thanks C. Put motion. All those in favor 00:10:13.760 --> 00:10:16.760 carried unanimously. Item 8.2 for noting 00:10:17.040 --> 00:10:18.456 council on the subdivision of land that 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:21.480 approves council ner 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:22.536 I have a question sorry 00:10:22.560 --> 00:10:24.055 council porting a question 00:10:24.079 --> 00:10:26.696 um a question for the CEO which is 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:28.696 really on a a procedural matter rather 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.495 than the issue um if you could just 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:34.519 explain this matter was brought up for a 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:39.720 decision at council um council the 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:42.216 situation with that is that council has 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:45.240 deferred it um and then while that's on 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:47.656 deferral. Staff have just decided to 00:10:47.680 --> 00:10:50.680 make that decision themselves. 00:10:51.040 --> 00:10:54.040 Um, shouldn't this be coming back to 00:10:54.160 --> 00:10:57.160 council as a recommendation for 00:10:59.680 --> 00:11:02.680 um a recommendation for approval rather 00:11:02.880 --> 00:11:04.935 than for a noting because the matter has 00:11:04.959 --> 00:11:06.296 already been put in the hands of 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:08.856 council. 00:11:08.880 --> 00:11:10.536 So through Mr. May you recall this is 00:11:10.560 --> 00:11:11.976 something we have recently discussed 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:13.736 with councils on how best to approach 00:11:13.760 --> 00:11:16.760 this and the options were um hold off on 00:11:17.760 --> 00:11:20.760 approving a DA and council when they so 00:11:20.959 --> 00:11:23.896 originally to go back originally um 00:11:23.920 --> 00:11:26.055 staff had been in a position where with 00:11:26.079 --> 00:11:27.976 the propoNadint we were not willing to 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:31.000 approve what they had in front of us. So 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:32.776 it would have been a recommendation to 00:11:32.800 --> 00:11:34.456 refuse. Council deferred that wanted a 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:35.976 site meeting to understand the issues 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:38.296 and see whether they could be resolved. 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:39.976 After that significant work happened 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:41.495 with staff and the propoNadints in the 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:43.736 background. They made changes that meant 00:11:43.760 --> 00:11:46.136 we were then able to approve it. And 00:11:46.160 --> 00:11:47.976 through the discussion with council was 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.616 do we just wait on the decision you 00:11:50.640 --> 00:11:52.696 wanted to try and get to in the end or 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.296 not and do what we did and then bring it 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.136 back publicly for noting that we're 00:11:56.160 --> 00:11:59.016 closing the loop on what you'd intended 00:11:59.040 --> 00:12:00.776 in the first place. get the director to 00:12:00.800 --> 00:12:02.216 decide too. I 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:03.896 was just going to add to that. So the 00:12:03.920 --> 00:12:05.416 reason it came to council in the first 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:08.440 instance was because in our um policy or 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.255 procedure we say that refusals are dealt 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.336 with by the elected council. So staff 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:15.416 have delegation for approvals and there 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:16.615 are some exceptions to that when it's 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:18.375 over a certain number of submissions if 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:21.176 it's a refusal. Um so that's why it came 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:22.776 in the first instance because we could 00:12:22.800 --> 00:12:24.216 then resolve it and the decision to 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.136 defer was to allow it was at the request 00:12:26.160 --> 00:12:28.136 of the applicant so that they could 00:12:28.160 --> 00:12:31.096 revise their their submission that was 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.096 done decision to approve staff have 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:35.495 delegation but we wanted to um close the 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:37.576 loop with counselor so you knew where it 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:39.656 had ended. 00:12:39.680 --> 00:12:41.736 Thank you councelor Nadin council moved 00:12:41.760 --> 00:12:43.976 and seconded all those in favor carried 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:45.736 unanimously. 00:12:45.760 --> 00:12:47.416 Staff reports infrastructure requests 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:50.440 for tenders item 9.1 00:12:50.800 --> 00:12:51.416 second. 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:53.416 So moving point one that council accepts 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:54.935 recommendation as outlined in the 00:12:54.959 --> 00:12:57.255 attached confidential MIMO. Council 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:00.279 Allen all council Allen council Nadin 00:13:00.959 --> 00:13:03.656 all those in favor 00:13:03.680 --> 00:13:05.896 unanimously. 00:13:05.920 --> 00:13:08.296 Items 2, three, and four. Then 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:10.375 I'm G. That's where I'm up to. Council N 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:12.696 if you wait. We just passed a We just 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:14.856 passed re the motion to accept a 00:13:14.880 --> 00:13:17.880 confidential memo. 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:20.296 People would just get into tomorrow. 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:23.320 Right. All right. 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:26.615 Same council. I guess the council 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:28.615 accepts the tender of AW Dummit provide 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:30.055 limit in relation to contract for the 00:13:30.079 --> 00:13:33.079 works described in RFT2425-129 00:13:33.920 --> 00:13:35.656 disaster recovery funding arrangements 00:13:35.680 --> 00:13:37.815 creating works at various sites across 00:13:37.839 --> 00:13:39.176 around the Bea Valley SH in the amount 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:41.495 of 253,993 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:43.896 including GSC subject to variations 00:13:43.920 --> 00:13:45.495 provisions that the authority be 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:47.255 delegated the CA to execute all 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:49.576 necessary documents and all tenders be 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:52.375 advised. Councelor Allen, councelor Nadin. 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:55.399 All those in favor carried unanimously. 00:13:56.560 --> 00:13:59.560 Item 9.2 Mim Airport toilet block. Miss 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:02.375 I have a Mr. Mayor I have an alternate 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:03.976 motion that should be on teams. 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:05.896 Just two seconds. Mr. L. Yeah, we had a 00:14:05.920 --> 00:14:07.096 deputation today. Is there anything 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:08.296 you'd like to address from that 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:10.696 deputation? 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:13.720 , no, Mr. Mayor. 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.480 Not on teams either. 00:14:25.920 --> 00:14:27.736 That's a question on 00:14:27.760 --> 00:14:30.760 it's not 00:14:41.040 --> 00:14:41.896 a test. 00:14:41.920 --> 00:14:44.216 It's not clear. Guess it was that was 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.240 No, I I changed it. 00:14:55.839 --> 00:14:57.336 I'll have to just make it up as I go 00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:00.360 along. 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:04.120 Email us. 00:15:13.680 --> 00:15:16.680 That's a great That was a great job. 00:15:35.040 --> 00:15:38.040 You professional 00:15:45.199 --> 00:15:46.935 Can you email it to me? I'll email it to 00:15:46.959 --> 00:15:49.255 him. So, when I emailed it, it said it 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:51.416 was sending it on an account that's not 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:53.976 even on this device. I just don't know 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.856 why. 00:15:56.880 --> 00:15:57.255 No, 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:59.336 no, that was Maybe you could copy it and 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:01.896 text it to yourself and then 00:16:01.920 --> 00:16:03.495 No, I can't find it. 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.055 I don't have it written because I think 00:16:06.079 --> 00:16:09.079 it sent it through an email that I 00:16:10.800 --> 00:16:12.136 That's our eyes in the clouds. 00:16:12.160 --> 00:16:15.160 It's in the clouds. 00:16:26.800 --> 00:16:27.255 I go. 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:28.615 Sorry, David. David, you want to hit 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:30.136 your microphone? 00:16:30.160 --> 00:16:33.016 I'll just have to um try and remember it 00:16:33.040 --> 00:16:36.040 as I did. So it was um the council 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:39.320 delegate the CEO to negotiate with the 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:42.440 future GA fuel provider for them to host 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:46.759 a airside toilet facility in the GA 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.576 area. 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:54.296 Number two, note that the above 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:57.320 negotiations would include 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:01.399 the cost of construction and maintenance 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:04.055 of the facility and how it would be 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:06.696 managed. 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:09.720 Number three, 00:17:09.760 --> 00:17:12.696 that should those negotiations be 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:14.535 unsuccessful 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:17.559 that the CEO is 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:20.535 delegated to 00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:23.559 have those conversations with any other 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:25.655 GA 00:17:25.679 --> 00:17:27.736 um lees 00:17:27.760 --> 00:17:30.760 to the location of an airside toilet 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:34.616 in 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:37.640 line with the hangers to ensure its 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:40.856 compliance with airport safety 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:43.880 regulations. 00:17:45.919 --> 00:17:48.919 Councor Councelor Nadin 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:58.775 any questions council council daily? 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:01.096 Yeah, just just on the intent of this 00:18:01.120 --> 00:18:03.736 council porter. So the first step is to 00:18:03.760 --> 00:18:06.296 negotiate with the fuel provider. Let's 00:18:06.320 --> 00:18:08.456 say that's unsuccessful. The second step 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:11.015 would be to negotiate with a different 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:13.015 lease holder. Let's say that's also 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:15.895 unsuccessful. So where where do we end 00:18:15.919 --> 00:18:18.919 up with at after that if if we're if no 00:18:21.120 --> 00:18:23.496 one really wants to host a toilet in or 00:18:23.520 --> 00:18:25.895 nearby their hangup? Is it that it's a 00:18:25.919 --> 00:18:28.216 do nothing approach or is it that you 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:30.056 would accept that we would expect it 00:18:30.080 --> 00:18:33.015 have to go landside 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:35.736 if no one is willing to or back to us 00:18:35.760 --> 00:18:38.056 for for determination? 00:18:38.080 --> 00:18:40.056 Well, as we have a motion already to 00:18:40.080 --> 00:18:43.080 build an airside um toilet. This motion 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:47.576 lays out the process of attempting to 00:18:47.600 --> 00:18:49.416 get that done and if that was 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:51.096 unsuccessful then it would have to come 00:18:51.120 --> 00:18:52.936 back to council. 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:55.496 So sorry, noting that the motion isn't 00:18:55.520 --> 00:18:58.376 to build an airside toilet in here. The 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.176 staff recommendation is for a the 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.336 preferred approach is for a landside 00:19:03.360 --> 00:19:06.360 toilet. So just I'm just confirming the 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.039 the intent here. So that if no one was 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:11.736 willing to host it, it would come back 00:19:11.760 --> 00:19:13.655 for us to determination. That's the 00:19:13.679 --> 00:19:15.416 short short story. 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:18.136 Correct. 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:19.336 Yeah, I have some too. 00:19:19.360 --> 00:19:22.360 Um which is just a table. So um 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:25.960 that we do say the you fuel supplier 00:19:26.080 --> 00:19:27.015 and that's fine. That's probably 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:30.039 specific enough. But Mr. CEO, would you 00:19:30.320 --> 00:19:33.320 prefer lot 11 to speak? 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:37.400 No, I mean lot Yeah. 00:19:37.600 --> 00:19:40.056 M the reason for well not crims the 00:19:40.080 --> 00:19:41.416 reason for the look on my face was 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:44.440 actually my understanding was you were 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:46.856 specifically seeing the fuel provider 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:48.696 irrespective of where they were as the 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:50.136 number one priority because that is the 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:51.816 destination that people are most likely 00:19:51.840 --> 00:19:53.655 to utilize. 00:19:53.679 --> 00:19:55.816 So so yeah so I'm I'm comfortable with 00:19:55.840 --> 00:19:58.840 the the wording of this so that 00:19:59.280 --> 00:20:01.496 yeah and and yeah just through Mr. May 00:20:01.520 --> 00:20:03.096 just to clarify from a staff perspective 00:20:03.120 --> 00:20:04.775 that discussion that happened before it 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:07.416 is very clear to me that um we've got do 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:09.015 step one if that doesn't work do step 00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:10.296 two and if that doesn't work we're 00:20:10.320 --> 00:20:13.256 coming back to council. 00:20:13.280 --> 00:20:15.176 My question is just for the director in 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:17.895 the budget estimate there of 65,000 and 00:20:17.919 --> 00:20:20.216 there's 272,000 we have other work on 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:21.816 the general aviation precinct still be 00:20:21.840 --> 00:20:23.176 done. Is there sufficient funds to 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:24.856 ensure all work that's intended for the 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:26.856 general aviation precinct can still be 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:28.696 done? 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:30.616 Mr. May. Yeah, there are some additional 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:33.640 works from Greing that are current under 00:20:34.159 --> 00:20:36.535 the plan. These include the earth works 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:38.296 and retaining. 00:20:38.320 --> 00:20:41.320 Sorry, 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:44.056 yeah. So, these include um earthworks 00:20:44.080 --> 00:20:46.216 and retaining structure at the at the 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:49.240 northern end and also security gates. Um 00:20:49.919 --> 00:20:51.256 we do believe that there's enough budget 00:20:51.280 --> 00:20:54.280 remaining to to complete those works. 00:20:55.919 --> 00:20:58.919 Um through you, Mr. Mayor. So if we're 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:00.936 to the what's highlighted in the 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.176 business paper is is different aspects 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:05.816 of the risk around an airside toilet and 00:21:05.840 --> 00:21:08.216 that's really clearly um articulated 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:11.240 through um the legislation that's um 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:14.056 that we have there and the manual of 00:21:14.080 --> 00:21:17.080 standards. I guess my question 00:21:17.520 --> 00:21:18.856 is this a question? 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:20.856 He's asking a question. He's asking a 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:21.096 question. 00:21:21.120 --> 00:21:23.416 A question. Yeah. Give him one just a 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:25.736 moment. Councelor Porter. Um the 00:21:25.760 --> 00:21:28.760 question is do we feel that having a 00:21:29.520 --> 00:21:32.520 toilet vested in one of the hangers 00:21:33.679 --> 00:21:36.056 you know it's airside and those risks do 00:21:36.080 --> 00:21:38.216 we feel that they would be mitigated 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:40.535 sufficiently having it rather than a 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:42.616 standalone building if it's vested in 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:44.376 one of those hangers wouldn't some of 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.400 those risks still be present 00:21:47.520 --> 00:21:49.015 through Mr. To me the answer is yes. 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:50.936 There would still be some risk present. 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:53.960 The the thing to keep in mind is um you 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:55.496 can do a risk assessment on different 00:21:55.520 --> 00:21:58.296 options there and depending on which 00:21:58.320 --> 00:22:00.296 risk related criteria you give weight to 00:22:00.320 --> 00:22:01.576 over another you might get a different 00:22:01.600 --> 00:22:03.895 answer as to what makes sense. So if 00:22:03.919 --> 00:22:06.696 this is the direction council is um 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:09.655 asking staff to take as part of 00:22:09.679 --> 00:22:11.336 negotiation processes, we'll be doing 00:22:11.360 --> 00:22:12.856 whatever we can to mitigate what we 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:14.376 consider to be the biggest risk with 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:16.936 that option like we would have had it 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:19.960 have been a um landside option because 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:21.976 neither of them realistically neither of 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:23.816 them are a perfect solution but they are 00:22:23.840 --> 00:22:24.936 better than what the original 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:26.775 alternative was which was get every 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:28.775 hanger to build their own toilet 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:31.576 facility. So we moved on to a better 00:22:31.600 --> 00:22:33.496 outcome now just mitigating risks with 00:22:33.520 --> 00:22:36.456 either option. So to to your key point 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:39.480 and concerns about the the impact 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:43.096 related to obstacle limitation surveys, 00:22:43.120 --> 00:22:45.976 that is definitely a manageable risk 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:48.456 with in particular having it located 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:51.480 within a site rather than on the um 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:54.616 taxiway side of any of the sites, which 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:56.296 was what we'd originally hope could be 00:22:56.320 --> 00:22:58.056 achievable, but it's a slightly higher 00:22:58.080 --> 00:22:59.895 risk again from a safety perspective 00:22:59.919 --> 00:23:02.919 than within one of the sites. 00:23:03.600 --> 00:23:06.600 Um just a follow on question to that to 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:09.640 that one. Um as there is an airside 00:23:09.840 --> 00:23:11.736 toilet at the current fueling facility, 00:23:11.760 --> 00:23:14.696 how many risk events have occurred in 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:16.456 the last 20 years with having that 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:19.480 toilet airside next to the current 00:23:19.679 --> 00:23:22.616 fuel facility? 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:25.176 Sorry, Mr. Mayor. Don't know what you 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:26.856 mean by a risk event. I assume you mean 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:29.416 an incident that um is related to 00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:31.976 unmitigated risks. I'm not aware of any. 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:33.176 That doesn't mean there may not have 00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:35.736 been some in the past. What I'd also say 00:23:35.760 --> 00:23:37.576 to that though is that the risk profile 00:23:37.600 --> 00:23:39.256 associated with that toilet in that 00:23:39.280 --> 00:23:41.336 location with the current use is 00:23:41.360 --> 00:23:42.616 different to what we're facing here. So 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:45.256 they're not the same risk, but 00:23:45.280 --> 00:23:46.696 acknowledging the point you're trying to 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:49.176 make here is that we've had an example 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:51.655 of having a toilet on the airside in the 00:23:51.679 --> 00:23:54.376 past near a fuel facility and it hasn't 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:56.856 created lots of unmanageable 00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:59.496 risk. Yes. 00:23:59.520 --> 00:24:00.775 you have a support of your motion. You 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:02.936 should speak to it. 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:05.655 Thank you. Um 00:24:05.679 --> 00:24:07.096 I I was a little bit disappointed 00:24:07.120 --> 00:24:08.535 actually with the way this has been 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:11.416 presented in the in the business paper. 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:14.440 Um, I think putting this item up without 00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:19.400 the diagrams showing what or the 00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:23.720 location that the um item was talking 00:24:25.600 --> 00:24:27.496 about or that the text from the staff 00:24:27.520 --> 00:24:29.976 was talking about in the business paper 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.000 was really um not explaining the 00:24:33.520 --> 00:24:36.520 position very well at all. Um and for 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:39.816 anybody on the live stream or listening 00:24:39.840 --> 00:24:42.456 outside, the um the diagram that council 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:45.480 has received showed a selfstanding 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:49.400 toilet block out from the hangers 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:53.400 basically on the edge of the taxi way. 00:24:53.600 --> 00:24:56.600 Um, which I mean nobody nobody I've 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:01.096 spoken to could fathom why you would put 00:25:01.120 --> 00:25:03.336 a self-standing toilet block stuck out 00:25:03.360 --> 00:25:05.655 near where the planes are moving around. 00:25:05.679 --> 00:25:08.679 It made no sense. So to produce a 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:12.056 diagram that has a self-standing toilet 00:25:12.080 --> 00:25:13.895 right out near the taxi way and then 00:25:13.919 --> 00:25:15.895 say, "Oh, we've got to worry about Iowa. 00:25:15.919 --> 00:25:18.456 Oh, we've got to worry regulations and 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.456 everything." Honestly, I found it 00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:21.976 bizarre. 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:24.616 Um the fact of the matter is that any 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:26.936 airside toilet the where where the 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:29.960 difference between airside and land side 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:33.559 is where is a fence line and that fence 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:35.816 line also runs along the front of the 00:25:35.840 --> 00:25:38.840 hangers and any toilet facility needs to 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:42.039 be basically at that fence line. though 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.255 it would probably be or it would most 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:48.279 likely be that the the building itself 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:51.400 would actually be on the airside side 00:25:51.919 --> 00:25:54.616 with fence either side but the opening 00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:57.576 to enter the toilet the opening to enter 00:25:57.600 --> 00:26:00.600 the toilet is actually airside. Now, 00:26:02.080 --> 00:26:04.535 let's be clear. This doesn't create any 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:07.559 more risk than having to go to a gate to 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:12.200 go out to landside to get to that 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:13.976 toilet. In fact, there's more risk 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:15.895 because then you're also crossing a road 00:26:15.919 --> 00:26:18.919 to go to a to a landside toilet. But if 00:26:19.360 --> 00:26:21.655 you've got to go somewhere from airside 00:26:21.679 --> 00:26:23.736 from the hangers, whatever, if you've 00:26:23.760 --> 00:26:25.736 got to walk over to the door that goes 00:26:25.760 --> 00:26:28.456 to the toilet or walk over to the door 00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:31.480 to the gate to go out to landside, 00:26:31.520 --> 00:26:33.816 there's no difference in the risk. It's 00:26:33.840 --> 00:26:35.816 the same. 00:26:35.840 --> 00:26:38.840 So if we just forget about the diagram 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:42.616 that was provided that showed this 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:45.640 toilet block built out 00:26:45.679 --> 00:26:47.895 away from the hangers towards the the 00:26:47.919 --> 00:26:49.976 airirst strip and think about how how it 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:51.816 would be built, how it's currently 00:26:51.840 --> 00:26:52.135 built. 00:26:52.159 --> 00:26:53.655 Council, could you speak to your motion 00:26:53.679 --> 00:26:55.015 because your motion is totally different 00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:56.775 about putting it into a fuel facility. 00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:57.816 So could you actually speak to 00:26:57.840 --> 00:26:59.496 No, I I'm speaking to motion. I've got 00:26:59.520 --> 00:27:00.936 the right to talk about this because 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.255 what we've heard, what is in the paper, 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.576 what is in the business paper is 00:27:05.600 --> 00:27:07.895 incorrect information, right? Because 00:27:07.919 --> 00:27:09.576 that's not where you would put a toilet 00:27:09.600 --> 00:27:11.176 block. It's ridiculous. That's why 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:13.176 there's no diagrams. Why were the 00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:14.936 diagrams not included in the business 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.960 paper? Okay. Um, 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:21.816 so let's try and get a good result out 00:27:21.840 --> 00:27:24.376 of this. Um, and what we need, we 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.856 already have a motion to do a an airside 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.880 toilet. Um, I've just received an email 00:27:29.919 --> 00:27:32.456 from the fuel supplier. The fuel 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:35.480 supplier says, "As part of our fuel 00:27:35.520 --> 00:27:38.456 depot design at Mimula Airport, we had 00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:41.336 originally planned to include a facility 00:27:41.360 --> 00:27:44.360 for our drivers. In principle, we are 00:27:45.600 --> 00:27:47.496 happy to incorporate an additional 00:27:47.520 --> 00:27:49.816 unisex toilet within our facility that 00:27:49.840 --> 00:27:52.376 can also serve public users. They're 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:54.056 willing. They want to have the 00:27:54.080 --> 00:27:55.576 negotiation. They want to make it 00:27:55.600 --> 00:27:57.976 happen. We don't want people arriving at 00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:59.736 the airport with their family in their 00:27:59.760 --> 00:28:01.576 plane and have kids running around all 00:28:01.600 --> 00:28:03.655 over the place. It should be near the 00:28:03.679 --> 00:28:06.296 bowsers and it should be just as easy to 00:28:06.320 --> 00:28:08.216 go to the toilet as going through a 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:11.240 gate. So I really hope that we could um 00:28:11.679 --> 00:28:13.736 have a sensible resolution to this. 00:28:13.760 --> 00:28:14.535 Thank you. 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.559 Thanks. Speaker against speaker against. 00:28:18.080 --> 00:28:20.535 Right. I have a a a question. And I 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:22.456 thought we were delegating the CEO to 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:24.296 negotiate with the fuel provider, not 00:28:24.320 --> 00:28:26.375 delegating councel Porter to negotiate 00:28:26.399 --> 00:28:28.456 with the fuel provider. 00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:30.535 I'll take that as a statement. Council 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:31.655 noted. 00:28:31.679 --> 00:28:34.375 Councelor owner speaking against. 00:28:34.399 --> 00:28:36.296 Speaker against. We're speaking against 00:28:36.320 --> 00:28:38.056 council Porter's motion. 00:28:38.080 --> 00:28:39.496 Anyone speaking against it? 00:28:39.520 --> 00:28:42.520 Yes. Um I looked at this. We've had a 00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:47.655 lot of discussions about detail of the 00:28:47.679 --> 00:28:50.679 general aviation precinct over the last 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.720 what is it three years, four years. 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.775 Um I can't say that I am an expert on 00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.799 the location of toilet facilities for 00:29:00.399 --> 00:29:02.775 people arriving in small aircraft on the 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:05.576 general aviation one. So I think what 00:29:05.600 --> 00:29:07.816 I'm saying in speaking against this 00:29:07.840 --> 00:29:10.840 motion is that 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.056 I would hope in future discussions about 00:29:14.080 --> 00:29:16.296 the major works we're embarking on at 00:29:16.320 --> 00:29:18.936 the airport to extend the runway that 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.416 there will be 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:23.496 um what is the right word not respect 00:29:23.520 --> 00:29:26.520 but more note taken of expert advice 00:29:29.600 --> 00:29:32.375 from those who are actually qualified in 00:29:32.399 --> 00:29:34.296 airport design project management. 00:29:34.320 --> 00:29:37.015 management and implementation of plans. 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:40.039 I feel that we have got way off course 00:29:40.080 --> 00:29:42.456 in some of this discussion by going deep 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:44.456 down into detail on the very specific 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.696 bits of it and not looking at our 00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.176 overall interest in making a go of this 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.015 airport so that it is not a drain on 00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:53.416 council resources but is instead an 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.440 asset for us in building our industry 00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:58.696 economy and indeed in getting 00:29:58.720 --> 00:29:59.895 speak to the notion. 00:29:59.919 --> 00:30:02.856 Yeah. Okay. I'm getting off this. Um, as 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.296 and the mayor has brought my attention 00:30:04.320 --> 00:30:07.320 back to speaking against the motion. I 00:30:08.320 --> 00:30:11.320 not sure that council OS are expert on 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:14.696 the location on this. So, I don't 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:17.496 definitely oppose the CEO, but I just 00:30:17.520 --> 00:30:20.456 wish that it wasn't taking a council 00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:22.296 resolution to get to this stage. I would 00:30:22.320 --> 00:30:23.176 prefer to deal with staff 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:25.895 recommendations for and against. 00:30:25.919 --> 00:30:28.919 Thanks, Speaker. Yes, I have you. 00:30:29.360 --> 00:30:32.360 Um, thanks councilors. Thanks mayor. Um, 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.936 look, just quickly we I want to thank 00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:37.255 the mayor for um I want to thank Michael 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.336 for coming in for the forum today. Um, I 00:30:39.360 --> 00:30:41.015 think a lot of councilors had a bit of a 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:44.039 think about um what the toilet was for 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:46.696 and and how it works and how it would 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:49.655 work. I think the mayor asked a very 00:30:49.679 --> 00:30:51.655 pertiNadint question during that forum. 00:30:51.679 --> 00:30:53.816 This is this is dem this is democracy at 00:30:53.840 --> 00:30:55.176 work. This is consultation. This is how 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.496 it works. the bureaucracy have done 00:30:57.520 --> 00:30:59.255 their work. They they presented the 00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:01.416 papers. There is I don't have a problem 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:03.096 with the work that the council was the 00:31:03.120 --> 00:31:04.616 council staff have done. I think they 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:05.816 have done their work. We had a 00:31:05.840 --> 00:31:07.655 consultation process. We had a forum. 00:31:07.679 --> 00:31:09.655 Out of that forum there was there was 00:31:09.679 --> 00:31:11.496 another suggestion, another way through. 00:31:11.520 --> 00:31:13.576 That's why I'm urging councilors to vote 00:31:13.600 --> 00:31:15.895 for the um council porter's motion. Not 00:31:15.919 --> 00:31:17.816 as any sort of denigration of the staff, 00:31:17.840 --> 00:31:19.976 but just as a way to progress this. It 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:21.976 puts it inside the it put it in inside 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.576 the the envelope of the existing 00:31:23.600 --> 00:31:25.976 buildings. It just makes sense. 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:28.135 Speaker against 00:31:28.159 --> 00:31:29.176 Council Porter. Are you all right to 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:30.375 reply? 00:31:30.399 --> 00:31:31.576 Yes. I just want to make it clear there 00:31:31.600 --> 00:31:33.336 was no denigration of staff or anything. 00:31:33.360 --> 00:31:34.936 I was simply saying that I was 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.495 disappointed that that diagram that 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:39.736 showed where what the proposal was 00:31:39.760 --> 00:31:41.576 wasn't in the business paper. That was 00:31:41.600 --> 00:31:43.816 the only thing that I was um 00:31:43.840 --> 00:31:45.336 concerned about. So just to make that 00:31:45.360 --> 00:31:46.856 clear, I'm not saying the staff have 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:49.655 done anything wrong. But the PE the we 00:31:49.679 --> 00:31:50.775 should have been able to seen that 00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:53.336 diagram. So in saying that um thank you 00:31:53.360 --> 00:31:54.856 very much for everyone for their their 00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:56.135 input. 00:31:56.159 --> 00:31:59.159 Put the motion on those in favor. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:01.576 Council Porter, councelor Hager, 00:32:01.600 --> 00:32:03.255 councelor Alen, councelor Noble, Council 00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.255 Pitpen, 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.416 Council Medal, those against councelor 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.056 O'Neil, Councel Daly. The motion's 00:32:10.080 --> 00:32:11.895 carried. 00:32:11.919 --> 00:32:14.856 Item 9.3 request for tender for McGill 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.816 Road retaining structure. 00:32:17.840 --> 00:32:19.736 C point.1 the council accepts the 00:32:19.760 --> 00:32:21.255 recommendation outlined in the attached 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:23.495 confidential memo. Councelor Nadin 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.216 councelor Allen all those in favor 00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:29.240 carried unanimously. 00:32:29.919 --> 00:32:31.895 Items two, three, and four become one, 00:32:31.919 --> 00:32:33.255 two, three. that council accepts a 00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:34.936 tender from John Mitchell and Sun 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:36.296 proprietary limit in relation to 00:32:36.320 --> 00:32:37.655 contract for the works described in 00:32:37.679 --> 00:32:40.679 RFT2425-092 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:42.375 McGiller Road retaining structure 00:32:42.399 --> 00:32:44.135 disaster recovery funding arrangements 00:32:44.159 --> 00:32:46.056 restoration works in the amount of 00:32:46.080 --> 00:32:47.655 151,480 00:32:47.679 --> 00:32:50.456 including GST subject to variations 00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:52.535 provisional sums and prime cost items 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.015 authority delegated the CEO to execute 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:56.936 all necessary documentations and 00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:58.775 approved contract variations up to the 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:00.775 allocated budget that all tenders be 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:02.296 advised for the decisions It's Council 00:33:02.320 --> 00:33:05.176 N. Councelor Allen again. 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.576 Anyone wish to speak? Put the motion. 00:33:07.600 --> 00:33:10.375 All those in favor carried unanously. 00:33:10.399 --> 00:33:13.399 Item 9.4, the Burger Valley Local 00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:17.000 Transport Forum, not committee. It's a 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:20.216 forum now. 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.936 Hope it's a good forum. 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:24.456 We have all the recommendations 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.336 councilors regard to Anzac Day services 00:33:27.360 --> 00:33:30.360 right across um the region. the Kabago 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:33.416 Folk Festival, Winter Sun Festival and 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:36.216 the Burger Valley Rally counselors and 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.216 requests for approval written approval 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.456 of the Cruise Bus stop in Shandos 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:42.936 Street, Eden. So councilors, any 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.736 questions about any of those councilors, 00:33:45.760 --> 00:33:47.736 could I just you got a quick 00:33:47.760 --> 00:33:49.015 question? Yep. Then I've got one too 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:49.976 after you. 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.296 Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Um but just on the 00:33:52.320 --> 00:33:54.856 Anzac Day marches, we were here 12 00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:56.296 months ago and you'd made some comments 00:33:56.320 --> 00:33:58.775 on um trying to make the process a 00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:00.856 little bit easier for those trying to 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.880 organize um you know road closures and 00:34:04.080 --> 00:34:05.655 everything else and and obviously from 00:34:05.679 --> 00:34:08.296 the papers it's it's a very thorough and 00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:10.135 detailed 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:12.456 reporting requirements. Um has any was 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.176 anything done to make that slightly 00:34:15.200 --> 00:34:17.416 more straightforward process in the past 00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:20.440 12 12 months leading up to um the local 00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.536 traffic forum where we have all these 00:34:22.560 --> 00:34:24.216 recommendations being put? 00:34:24.240 --> 00:34:26.936 Mr. CEO, you want to answer that or 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.960 Yeah, 00:34:30.240 --> 00:34:32.216 through M I'll partially um answer it 00:34:32.240 --> 00:34:33.655 the best I can from a council 00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.679 perspective. So, we have had ongoing um 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.599 concerns raised by the RSL around the 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.016 continuingly increasing requirements to 00:34:45.040 --> 00:34:47.575 manage safety at Anzac Day events. That 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.055 isn't something that we have um had 00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:52.536 control over. It's been very much driven 00:34:52.560 --> 00:34:55.095 by changes to transport requirements for 00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:56.855 safety. The reason for it, by the way, 00:34:56.879 --> 00:34:58.776 is that 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.176 in recent years and more frequently, 00:35:01.200 --> 00:35:03.496 there has been events of all kinds held 00:35:03.520 --> 00:35:05.416 in the public domain where incidents 00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:07.575 have happened where vehicles have 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.136 essentially collided with members of the 00:35:10.160 --> 00:35:11.496 public. So, that's why the rules have 00:35:11.520 --> 00:35:13.176 got tighter. 00:35:13.200 --> 00:35:14.776 At different points, council has 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.800 provided more support in the past. That 00:35:17.839 --> 00:35:20.839 comes at a a cost. council um at a point 00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:22.936 in time made the decision to say we are 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:24.776 limited in how much resourcing we can 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:26.776 provide as the resource requirements got 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:27.976 greater and greater and greater as 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.296 regulations change 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:33.320 to the point where we we did arrange 00:35:34.240 --> 00:35:36.376 for some training for volunteers to be 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.216 able to then be able to put out road 00:35:38.240 --> 00:35:39.976 signage and do traffic plans. We went 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:41.095 through a period where we did some 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.095 traffic planning. 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.176 Then the RSLs weren't happy with what 00:35:45.200 --> 00:35:46.696 was required out the other end saying it 00:35:46.720 --> 00:35:48.055 was too much work to then implement 00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:50.616 them. And then our our train staff we 00:35:50.640 --> 00:35:51.896 we're not going to put our name to 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.920 anything that is um exposing us to risk 00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:58.119 and sort of got to been doing things but 00:35:58.640 --> 00:36:00.776 it's still concerning to the RSL that 00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.800 it's lots of requirements and costly. 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:06.536 Perhaps councelor he has got more about 00:36:06.560 --> 00:36:07.575 it. 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.599 Um yeah, I think the the traffic forum 00:36:10.640 --> 00:36:12.856 has transport has the police and has 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:14.936 council staff and I think all of those 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:16.616 people are working to make this a safe 00:36:16.640 --> 00:36:18.616 event. The RSLs are dealing with one 00:36:18.640 --> 00:36:20.776 event a year. Um and then they're not 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:22.376 aware of the change. They're not they're 00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:23.815 not thinking about the constant changes 00:36:23.839 --> 00:36:25.656 the way the police and transport and 00:36:25.680 --> 00:36:28.680 council staff are. So, um, as the CEO 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:30.296 pointed out, there have been 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.696 international incidences where, um, cars 00:36:32.720 --> 00:36:34.616 have been used as weapons in parades. 00:36:34.640 --> 00:36:36.616 The RSL marches, the the Anzac Day 00:36:36.640 --> 00:36:38.616 marches are becoming are already 00:36:38.640 --> 00:36:39.416 political events. They're going to 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:40.936 become more political events in in the 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:42.776 environment we're in. I think it's 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:44.296 really important that we make sure we 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.176 provide a safe um, event. The other 00:36:47.200 --> 00:36:48.936 thing is when you look at when you read 00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:50.616 the papers that it looks quite ownorous 00:36:50.640 --> 00:36:51.976 but a lot of these are tick and flick 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:53.815 like so a lot of these are just rolled 00:36:53.839 --> 00:36:55.736 over from the the year if they from the 00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:57.575 year before. There will be minor changes 00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:59.416 each year but the whole report gets 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.376 reloded. So um unless they change their 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.456 March um they're essentially just 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.616 lodging the same forms again with with 00:37:06.640 --> 00:37:08.376 just minor upgrades for new safety 00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.616 requirements. 00:37:10.640 --> 00:37:12.536 And and to be clear, I'm not advocating 00:37:12.560 --> 00:37:14.696 for lowering safety requirements. More 00:37:14.720 --> 00:37:17.256 consider concerned about what support 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.280 has been provided by staff. 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:22.055 Council Dalia, 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.216 I was just going to ask um from memory 00:37:24.240 --> 00:37:26.296 when we discussed this last year, we 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:28.776 also discussed about in kind behind the 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.095 scenes support that our council can 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.815 provide. and an example would be use 00:37:33.839 --> 00:37:36.136 of traffic barriers, 00:37:36.160 --> 00:37:37.815 that kind of thing. is that that doesn't 00:37:37.839 --> 00:37:40.839 take up our staff's manpower. Does that 00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:42.776 does that kind of thing happen? Any any 00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:44.776 sort of inind support or behind the 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.656 scenes that we can do? 00:37:47.680 --> 00:37:49.416 Tr Mr. Mayor, unless the director knows 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:51.016 the answer to where we are currently at 00:37:51.040 --> 00:37:52.296 with that, I'd have to take it on 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.320 notice. And 00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:57.496 there we have done that in the past. I'm 00:37:57.520 --> 00:37:59.496 just not sure of whether we are still 00:37:59.520 --> 00:38:01.815 doing that now or not. as in making our 00:38:01.839 --> 00:38:04.376 signage available for the people that 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:05.976 have got trainers, volunteers to pick 00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.656 up, put out and take part. 00:38:07.680 --> 00:38:08.536 Y 00:38:08.560 --> 00:38:10.696 to council medallion's question, if you 00:38:10.720 --> 00:38:13.720 go to um each of the um um Anzac Day 00:38:15.040 --> 00:38:17.176 proposals in the in the report, there's 00:38:17.200 --> 00:38:18.776 an E on each of them that the event 00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:20.296 organizer arranges the pick up and drop 00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.376 off of any signage used through council. 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.055 That would suggest the council is still 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:25.496 providing signage and I would hope 00:38:25.520 --> 00:38:28.520 barriers where necessary as well. 00:38:29.839 --> 00:38:32.839 Council Hager you wish to re move 00:38:33.839 --> 00:38:36.456 council Hager council n all those in 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.480 favor carried unanimously 00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.376 item 9.5 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:46.776 request for tender mimula CBD traffic 00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:48.616 trials it's just the council rejects 00:38:48.640 --> 00:38:51.176 attendance received as per the decision 00:38:51.200 --> 00:38:53.016 last week councilor someone like to move 00:38:53.040 --> 00:38:55.656 that 00:38:55.680 --> 00:38:58.680 council um yeah just 00:39:00.240 --> 00:39:03.240 with this trial as well. Did we get a 00:39:03.839 --> 00:39:06.216 final figure 00:39:06.240 --> 00:39:09.240 um what the impact would have been on 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:12.296 parking in Mimula because there was a 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.095 figure used in the in the proposed trial 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.055 which was later um edited. Did we get a 00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:20.216 final figure for the negative 00:39:20.240 --> 00:39:22.055 through Mr. Mayor as councilors will 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:23.656 recall what happened was you deferred 00:39:23.680 --> 00:39:25.815 this item at the last council meeting. 00:39:25.839 --> 00:39:27.575 We then held a workshop. At that 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.376 workshop, it was clarified that staff 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.296 would be going and getting more design 00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:33.976 work done that will then come back to 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:35.815 council that will then have the detail 00:39:35.839 --> 00:39:37.656 information that you've just asked in in 00:39:37.680 --> 00:39:40.616 the public domain. So, in other words, 00:39:40.640 --> 00:39:42.456 that detailed piece of work hasn't been 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.055 finalized yet, but it will come to a 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:45.416 council meeting. 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:48.296 , that's true, but won't that be on a 00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.696 that'll be on an edited plan? I mean, we 00:39:50.720 --> 00:39:52.536 had a we're I just want to talk about 00:39:52.560 --> 00:39:55.176 this tender in front of us right now. In 00:39:55.200 --> 00:39:57.575 the tender, there was a body of work. 00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.216 Um, what would that body of work 00:40:00.240 --> 00:40:02.456 resulted in in terms of parking for the 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:05.480 town of Mingilla? 00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.456 Mr. Mayor, if you um are referring to 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:10.296 what was confidential attachments 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:12.376 previously that had the proposed traffic 00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:14.776 reconfiguration arrangements, it did not 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:16.776 detail 00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:19.335 parking changes. what it was looking at 00:40:19.359 --> 00:40:21.976 was more traffic configuration changes 00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:23.496 and 00:40:23.520 --> 00:40:25.815 intersection treatments. There was an 00:40:25.839 --> 00:40:28.055 additional compoNadint associated with 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:29.976 potential changes to the CBD overall 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.216 that had more parking impacts that 00:40:32.240 --> 00:40:34.776 wasn't specific to this item. So what 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:36.055 you're going to get back to council as 00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:37.736 we've discussed is a package that puts 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.760 all that together which is impacts from 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:42.696 landscaping compoNadint changes and 00:40:42.720 --> 00:40:44.616 traffic reconfiguration changes. So, the 00:40:44.640 --> 00:40:45.896 two combined. 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.696 Um, I guess what I'm Okay, I I don't 00:40:48.720 --> 00:40:50.296 know how much more clearer I can be here 00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:52.136 because in the presentation cuz it 00:40:52.160 --> 00:40:54.776 wasn't in the the the traffic and 00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:56.856 parking suggestions weren't actually in 00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:59.880 the confidential document as in this you 00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:02.920 know the the the you know roundabouts 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:05.976 or parking lines or I don't know what 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.536 whatever it was that came to us in a 00:41:08.560 --> 00:41:10.536 workshop. it didn't actually come to 00:41:10.560 --> 00:41:12.856 counselors in either the public facing 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.335 business paper or the closedfacing b 00:41:15.359 --> 00:41:17.896 business paper. So all I can do is 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:20.920 reflect on the the presentation given 00:41:22.240 --> 00:41:25.240 and the presentation was -1 but I 00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:29.079 questioned that and a figure was thrown 00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:30.696 up but I was just trying to get 00:41:30.720 --> 00:41:33.335 clarification on how what the projection 00:41:33.359 --> 00:41:36.359 was on the impact on parking in Mingula. 00:41:36.560 --> 00:41:38.295 You said you said somewhere around I 00:41:38.319 --> 00:41:40.536 counted 52 but I'm just wondering if we 00:41:40.560 --> 00:41:41.896 had a final figure. I don't know what 00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:44.920 your 00:41:45.839 --> 00:41:47.815 miss might be able to just um shed some 00:41:47.839 --> 00:41:49.095 light on that. There were two 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:50.456 methodologies that were used to 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:52.856 calculate the loss of parking. The 11 00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.736 that you that you suggest was I guess a 00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:58.136 shifting of formalized parking. when 00:41:58.160 --> 00:41:59.656 staff actually went back and had a look 00:41:59.680 --> 00:42:01.656 at the informal informal parking and 00:42:01.680 --> 00:42:03.736 included that in it was in the vicinity 00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.216 of around 35 to 40 that we that we 00:42:06.240 --> 00:42:08.456 counted would have been lost as a 00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.016 result of that um that proposal. So 00:42:11.040 --> 00:42:13.256 that's where we sort of landed as the 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.416 CEO points out though um it will be 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.335 irrelevant because the staff are in the 00:42:17.359 --> 00:42:19.416 process of redesign based on the 00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:21.976 feedback received from from this group. 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.856 Thank you. A quick followup and and it's 00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:26.776 just a question because I I I just want 00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:28.376 to pick up on something that council 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.616 Porter said earlier. Was it a an 00:42:30.640 --> 00:42:33.640 oversight perhaps um not to include the 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.016 the those technical documents the 00:42:37.040 --> 00:42:38.616 roundabouts the thing in the 00:42:38.640 --> 00:42:41.335 confidential attachment um cuz I know 00:42:41.359 --> 00:42:43.256 it's a tender so it needed to be was a 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.335 bit of an oversight and can it be 00:42:45.359 --> 00:42:47.976 included in future business papers? 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.896 Is that is that okay? 00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.920 Mr. It wasn't an oversight and um and 00:42:53.520 --> 00:42:56.520 what you are asking is not a simple 00:42:56.640 --> 00:42:58.295 question. So what you're starting to ask 00:42:58.319 --> 00:43:00.696 for is should we be providing to 00:43:00.720 --> 00:43:02.136 councilors all the detailed scope 00:43:02.160 --> 00:43:03.656 related information that goes out to 00:43:03.680 --> 00:43:06.680 tender with any piece of work we do. And 00:43:06.720 --> 00:43:08.376 we have not traditionally done that. We 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:11.400 have traditionally reported to council 00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:14.055 the recommended outcomes on a tender for 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.136 a piece of work that's operational work 00:43:16.160 --> 00:43:17.896 that staff are bringing to you in line 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.536 with you. So you adopt a budget to do a 00:43:20.560 --> 00:43:22.936 thing. We then go out to the market and 00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:24.456 ask them to give a surprise to do the 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:26.536 thing and bring back to you who re we 00:43:26.560 --> 00:43:27.896 recommend does the thing. We don't give 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.136 you all the detail 00:43:30.160 --> 00:43:31.736 that goes with it. We haven't typically 00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.736 done that. 00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.760 Thanks mover council name second 00:43:37.680 --> 00:43:40.616 council hager all those in favor carried 00:43:40.640 --> 00:43:43.335 unanimously simply procedial staff 00:43:43.359 --> 00:43:46.136 reports organized the structure 10.1 00:43:46.160 --> 00:43:48.376 renewal birming community center license 00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:51.400 renewals councilors any questions 00:43:51.680 --> 00:43:53.416 no questions someone like to move 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:56.376 council renewal councelor Allen 00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:58.456 all those in favor 00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:01.016 generously 10.2 to the audit risk 00:44:01.040 --> 00:44:02.536 improvement committee recruitment of 00:44:02.560 --> 00:44:05.176 independent external members councilors 00:44:05.200 --> 00:44:07.176 any questions? 00:44:07.200 --> 00:44:10.200 Yeah, I guess just Mr. Mayor um 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.295 did staff consider I know I know that 00:44:14.319 --> 00:44:16.295 you've got 00:44:16.319 --> 00:44:17.815 specific direction about how many 00:44:17.839 --> 00:44:20.295 members are allowed on the committee and 00:44:20.319 --> 00:44:23.319 and whatever if you thought another 00:44:24.640 --> 00:44:27.496 member to add another member to the 00:44:27.520 --> 00:44:29.656 committee was a prudent thing to do. I 00:44:29.680 --> 00:44:30.696 know we're paying them now, so it's 00:44:30.720 --> 00:44:33.176 actually a financial consideration, but 00:44:33.200 --> 00:44:34.376 is is that something that you 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:35.976 considered? Who am I talking to here? 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.216 What is it? Organizational services. 00:44:38.240 --> 00:44:41.240 Anyway, who I is is that something that 00:44:42.319 --> 00:44:45.176 you considered the option of having just 00:44:45.200 --> 00:44:48.055 another set of eyes? I mean, questions 00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:49.656 through the chair. Thanks, Mr. May. 00:44:49.680 --> 00:44:50.055 Sorry. 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.376 Yeah, Mr. May, I'll I'll answer that 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.776 question. And the answer is what we did 00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:56.456 was went through the process in line 00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:58.936 with the adopted policy framework of 00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:01.176 council. That's 00:45:01.200 --> 00:45:03.496 similar similar to us going through a 00:45:03.520 --> 00:45:05.335 staff recruitment process for a director 00:45:05.359 --> 00:45:07.095 saying thing. I like two of them. I'm 00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.416 going to put two on. 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:11.016 It's that's the concept though. We've 00:45:11.040 --> 00:45:12.696 got a budget to work to. We've got a 00:45:12.720 --> 00:45:15.720 policy that says do this. Yeah. So we've 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:17.095 come up with three because council 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:20.119 resolved to find three. 00:45:20.560 --> 00:45:22.295 Council O'Neil, you have a alternative 00:45:22.319 --> 00:45:24.376 motion or the same motion but with extra 00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:24.936 points. 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.016 I do, but I also just got one question 00:45:27.040 --> 00:45:29.815 right at the start. Um through you, Mr. 00:45:29.839 --> 00:45:31.896 Mayor, could you just describe what the 00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.856 responsibilities of ERIC are in this 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:36.136 process? There's a reference in the 00:45:36.160 --> 00:45:38.216 papers to the relevant section, but I 00:45:38.240 --> 00:45:39.335 just wanted to make sure that anyone 00:45:39.359 --> 00:45:41.256 listening in just sort of understands 00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:44.280 the import of this committee for our um 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:48.119 guarding against fraud and waste. 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.416 through me. I'm sort of I'm sort of 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.656 thinking um how to frame this without 00:45:53.680 --> 00:45:55.656 going into too much det. So it is now 00:45:55.680 --> 00:45:57.656 legislated the responsibilities of an 00:45:57.680 --> 00:45:59.815 ARIC. In the past that wasn't the case. 00:45:59.839 --> 00:46:02.536 They are quite stringent and they cover 00:46:02.560 --> 00:46:05.560 um broad categories of audit risk um 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:07.496 risk management oversight and 00:46:07.520 --> 00:46:10.295 improvement. 00:46:10.319 --> 00:46:12.936 I'm not going to read out the go into 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:14.376 the act and read that out if that's what 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:15.815 you're asking. But they are um quite 00:46:15.839 --> 00:46:17.575 ownorous responsibilities now which is 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:19.416 why council ended up resolving to 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:21.496 remunerate these positions. It's not the 00:46:21.520 --> 00:46:24.456 sort of thing that you could competently 00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:26.456 do without a level of experience and 00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:29.480 qualification. 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.599 Now the staff 00:46:34.240 --> 00:46:35.815 I'd like to move the staff 00:46:35.839 --> 00:46:38.839 recommendation with an extra point um 00:46:39.680 --> 00:46:41.335 that should be on teams if I can reach 00:46:41.359 --> 00:46:44.359 it. that council expresses its deep 00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.480 appreciation to um do I need to read 00:46:47.839 --> 00:46:49.815 through the whole re recommendation, Mr. 00:46:49.839 --> 00:46:50.216 Mayor? 00:46:50.240 --> 00:46:51.976 No, just just your point. 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.000 Okay. Expresses its deep appreciation to 00:46:55.200 --> 00:46:58.200 outgoing ERIC chair Mr. Michael Pri and 00:46:58.319 --> 00:47:00.776 Eric member Mr. and Nick Derrera for 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:02.696 their significant contribution to good 00:47:02.720 --> 00:47:04.696 governance and management of the Bea 00:47:04.720 --> 00:47:07.656 Valley Shire Council and both brought 00:47:07.680 --> 00:47:09.095 deep experience in leadership and 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:10.936 management to serve as volunteers 00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:13.736 overseeing audit and compliance. 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:15.095 That will become point three of the 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.176 resolution when we come back. I need to 00:47:17.200 --> 00:47:19.656 councilors to accept the recommendation 00:47:19.680 --> 00:47:20.536 start. 00:47:20.560 --> 00:47:21.815 Sorry, I thought you go to pray. 00:47:21.839 --> 00:47:23.176 That's okay. It's all right. I'll let 00:47:23.200 --> 00:47:25.176 you go. It's okay. The councils consider 00:47:25.200 --> 00:47:27.016 the outcome of the recruitment process 00:47:27.040 --> 00:47:28.696 and resolve to appoint the three members 00:47:28.720 --> 00:47:30.456 as per the confidential memo. Someone 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.136 like to move that council n and 00:47:32.160 --> 00:47:34.696 councelor Allen. All those in favor 00:47:34.720 --> 00:47:37.575 carried unanimously. Now you can go to 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:39.575 motion. Oh, you've read it. So the 00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:42.599 appointment is of um Mr. Martin Booth 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.736 who is current Mr. George Iraq and as 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:47.496 independent members the order and risk 00:47:47.520 --> 00:47:48.776 committee and the appointment of Mrs. 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:50.456 Jennifer Whitten as chair of the audit 00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:52.295 and risk and improvement committee as 00:47:52.319 --> 00:47:55.319 well as.3 as express expressed by 00:47:55.359 --> 00:47:57.016 councelor O'Neil. Councelor O'Neil, you 00:47:57.040 --> 00:47:58.216 happy to move that? 00:47:58.240 --> 00:47:59.896 Um, I am. 00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:02.920 And can I speak? 00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:04.295 Yeah. 00:48:04.319 --> 00:48:07.319 Motion. Um what I want to say is that 00:48:08.319 --> 00:48:10.776 we've agreed to to put some remuneration 00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:12.616 but what I really noticed during this 00:48:12.640 --> 00:48:14.856 process is that we got some of the most 00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:16.536 outstanding 00:48:16.560 --> 00:48:18.456 people who want to serve with the bigger 00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:21.416 bal council to make sure that we are 00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:24.216 compliant hard on fraud and continuously 00:48:24.240 --> 00:48:26.535 improving our operations to make them 00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:29.559 more efficient. Um it was um I was not 00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.535 on the selection panel that was um 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:35.559 handled by staff and the mayor. Um but 00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:37.736 when I read their report I thought gosh 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:39.496 what an incredibly hard decision to 00:48:39.520 --> 00:48:42.520 make. Um all of the candidates that went 00:48:43.040 --> 00:48:45.016 through for interview were really really 00:48:45.040 --> 00:48:47.176 wellqualified. What a hard decision it 00:48:47.200 --> 00:48:50.200 was to choose between them. Um I do 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.376 think however we've come up with an 00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.136 extraordinary combination of people who 00:48:54.160 --> 00:48:56.936 bring fresh eyes from outside our area 00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:59.416 which we'll find really useful in the 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.440 future. But in saying that I put that 00:49:02.720 --> 00:49:05.720 extra point in um Mick Pri has been an 00:49:06.240 --> 00:49:09.240 extraordinary servant for the community 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:11.575 of the bigger valley Shire and we've 00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:13.335 recognized that he is now senior citizen 00:49:13.359 --> 00:49:16.055 of the year and so he should be. Nick 00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:18.216 Derrera brought considerable business 00:49:18.240 --> 00:49:19.656 experience particularly in project 00:49:19.680 --> 00:49:22.680 management of of big areas. He has shown 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:25.896 extraordinary willingness to work really 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.456 hard for improvement in our processes 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:30.136 and I want to thank him for that for his 00:49:30.160 --> 00:49:33.160 extraordinary diligent um application 00:49:33.680 --> 00:49:36.616 to the job. Um and I just want to make 00:49:36.640 --> 00:49:39.575 sure that we all know that again that we 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.055 got in a really good field of candidates 00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:44.535 here making it a very hard decision. But 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:46.295 I do think that we have got a really 00:49:46.319 --> 00:49:49.016 good basis going forward to really have 00:49:49.040 --> 00:49:50.936 a look at our operations and and improve 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:52.376 them. 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.400 Thanks councelor New Secer. 00:50:00.240 --> 00:50:02.055 I'll just briefly speak to it and 00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:03.976 confirm having sat on the review 00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:06.696 committee. Um the chair is an 00:50:06.720 --> 00:50:08.376 outstanding person who works with 00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.095 several city councils as well as you 00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:13.496 would have seen in her resume and it's 00:50:13.520 --> 00:50:14.936 good that we're getting people outside 00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:16.936 that's willing to have a fresh look at 00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:19.335 the burger valley and and our financial 00:50:19.359 --> 00:50:21.335 situation as well as our operational 00:50:21.359 --> 00:50:23.416 processes. So it was really good that we 00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.656 could attract those sort of applicants 00:50:25.680 --> 00:50:27.416 for it and we're pretty pleased when we 00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.136 did. So thank you. Put the motion. All 00:50:30.160 --> 00:50:33.160 those in favor carried unanimously. Item 00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:36.696 10.3 request for financial assistance w 00:50:36.720 --> 00:50:38.535 outstanding rates and charges. I have a 00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:40.055 motion. I think councelor Daly has a 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:42.936 foreshadow motion. So my motion is that 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.496 council proceed with the sale of lot 3 00:50:45.520 --> 00:50:47.496 DP240604 00:50:47.520 --> 00:50:50.520 property at 1719 Bara Drive Burger 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.815 indicatively in February 2027 as planned 00:50:53.839 --> 00:50:55.736 for recovery outstanding rates and fees 00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:57.496 and aligns with option one in the 00:50:57.520 --> 00:50:59.976 report. Do I have a seconder? Councelor 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:03.000 Allen. Councelor Daly, obviously your 00:51:03.040 --> 00:51:04.136 foreshadow motions. 00:51:04.160 --> 00:51:05.575 Yeah, 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:07.176 sorry man. 00:51:07.200 --> 00:51:08.856 We now have a new code of meeting 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:10.456 practice. 00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:11.335 Bit of remind 00:51:11.359 --> 00:51:13.016 that does not allow for foreshadowed 00:51:13.040 --> 00:51:15.976 motions. 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:18.535 It it yes it allows you to move an 00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:21.559 amended motion or um if a 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.095 motion sorry say this publicly. 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:26.535 Yeah, you can say it publicly because we 00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:27.896 all need to understand. 00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:29.656 Sorry, m I'll start again. So now the 00:51:29.680 --> 00:51:31.335 council has adopted a new code of 00:51:31.359 --> 00:51:33.575 meeting practice that aligns with the 00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.535 mandatory requirements of the code of 00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:38.055 meeting practice guidelines recently 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:39.976 issued by the government that changes 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:41.976 your ability to foreshadow motions. 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:43.575 Councilors can no longer foreshadow 00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:46.599 motions. Your options are to move an 00:51:46.720 --> 00:51:48.856 alternate motion but that alternate 00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:51.880 motion cannot be a direct negative of 00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.920 the intention of a motion. If a motion 00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.920 does get debated and lapses, um that 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.295 does still mean there is an ability for 00:52:02.319 --> 00:52:04.295 a counselor to then move a different 00:52:04.319 --> 00:52:06.456 motion if a first motion gets voted 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:07.335 down. 00:52:07.359 --> 00:52:09.416 So which motion gets voted first? 00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:11.815 So the motion that is the motion gets 00:52:11.839 --> 00:52:14.839 voted first. Um a counselor can't 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:17.815 foreshadow a motion as part of debate. 00:52:17.839 --> 00:52:20.055 They might state why they're opposed to 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:21.416 a particular motion and what their 00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:24.440 actual position is as a way of 00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:26.856 So my ruling would be I have seen 00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:28.856 councelor Dar's motion and I don't 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:30.376 believe it be a direct negative of my 00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:31.416 motion. Right. 00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:33.095 No barrel. 00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:35.256 Well, we haven't seen it yet. I'm 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:36.616 fortunate enough to see it. So if I was 00:52:36.640 --> 00:52:39.095 ruling it wouldn't be a direct. So 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:40.535 So I'm quite happy to have councelor 00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:41.896 Darly put his motion up as well. 00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:43.335 Okay. Thank you, Miss 00:52:43.359 --> 00:52:44.776 as an amended motion. Yeah. 00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:46.856 Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:48.696 yeah, because you've got move up, you've 00:52:48.720 --> 00:52:49.815 got second up. 00:52:49.839 --> 00:52:52.055 Yeah. So, as the CA just said, we vote 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:54.136 on that motion first. And if that's not 00:52:54.160 --> 00:52:56.856 No, no, no, no. You don't. You 00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:59.016 Mr. Mayor, just to clarify. Now, if you 00:52:59.040 --> 00:53:01.496 are if you're 00:53:01.520 --> 00:53:03.016 I've got the first one in there. I'll 00:53:03.040 --> 00:53:04.376 put it in a sec. I just want to clarify 00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.016 the process before you go too far. If 00:53:07.040 --> 00:53:10.040 you are then going to move an amended 00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:14.280 motion, then the amended motion is the 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:19.000 one that gets dealt first motion. 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.535 But you can't there is no there is no 00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:25.256 alternate motions anymore. There is a 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:27.736 motion or an amendment to a motion. 00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:29.896 Is this a question then? Is this 00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:31.335 actually an amendment? 00:53:31.359 --> 00:53:32.936 This is what I asked before. 00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:35.960 Notending the motion. He's not taken 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:39.079 anything from the the substantive motion 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:42.216 before. If you were changing word 00:53:42.240 --> 00:53:43.976 sorry if you were changing wording Mr. 00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.000 Mayor and Mr. CEO that is is that 00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:49.256 considered an amendment because at the 00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:50.535 moment which is fine. I don't really 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:52.535 care. I just want clarity on this. It's 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.535 not an amendment at all. It's just a new 00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:57.559 motion whereas Yeah. Sorry. 00:53:57.680 --> 00:54:00.535 So through you Mr. Mayor the this is up 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:02.295 to the ruling of the chair. The chair 00:54:02.319 --> 00:54:04.616 has the ability to decide if they think 00:54:04.640 --> 00:54:07.640 that a amended motion is similar enough 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:11.496 to the intent of an original motion to 00:54:11.520 --> 00:54:14.376 consider it an amendment. But if it is 00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:16.376 directly opposed to what the original 00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:18.295 motion was, then it cannot be considered 00:54:18.319 --> 00:54:19.976 as an amendment. It is a different 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:21.736 motion altogether which can't be dealt 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:24.696 with until a motion that is on the books 00:54:24.720 --> 00:54:26.936 of council gets debated and loses and 00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:28.696 then a council has the opportunity to 00:54:28.720 --> 00:54:31.720 move a new motion if they so choose. 00:54:34.319 --> 00:54:34.856 Okay. 00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:36.936 Well, it's different in that it's 00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:38.936 proposing to not do something rather 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.496 than do something. 00:54:41.520 --> 00:54:44.520 Yeah. So 00:54:47.040 --> 00:54:49.335 to restate the motion that you put up. 00:54:49.359 --> 00:54:51.095 Yeah. Yeah. If you give me one sec, I'll 00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:52.136 get them both. 00:54:52.160 --> 00:54:54.295 So my motion is that council proceed 00:54:54.319 --> 00:54:57.319 with the sale of lot three as the 17 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.920 indicative to for sale in February 2027 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:02.696 as planned for recovery of outstanding 00:55:02.720 --> 00:55:04.376 rates and charges which aligns with 00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:06.696 option one in the report. council dies 00:55:06.720 --> 00:55:08.696 is that the matter be deferred for a 00:55:08.720 --> 00:55:11.095 further report um to allow negotiations 00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:12.376 is it not 00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:14.295 in essence yes 00:55:14.319 --> 00:55:16.696 bit more to it than that it's not it's 00:55:16.720 --> 00:55:19.720 not focused on waving of fees 00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:23.800 so what's the what's the 00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:27.656 guest's guidance 00:55:27.680 --> 00:55:29.176 yeah 00:55:29.200 --> 00:55:31.016 m 00:55:31.040 --> 00:55:33.736 to give you guidance in fairness to 00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:34.856 everyone this is the first time we've 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.880 had a like this under the new um code. 00:55:39.680 --> 00:55:41.256 My personal assessment, I'm not the 00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:43.095 chair. My personal assessment would be 00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:46.119 that the motion proposed by 00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:49.800 councelor Daly is not materially the 00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:53.079 same as the intent of yours. So I would 00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:55.256 be suggesting that your motion needs to 00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:57.335 be debated first. If your motion loses, 00:55:57.359 --> 00:56:00.136 then council data can introduce a new 00:56:00.160 --> 00:56:03.160 motion. He can't foreshadow it. He can't 00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:05.496 he can't move an alternate motion. He 00:56:05.520 --> 00:56:07.656 can he can speak against he can speak 00:56:07.680 --> 00:56:09.416 against a motion that council is 00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:11.736 debating and signal why he is against it 00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:14.456 and what his actual position is. 00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.480 Um while the if councelor were to speak 00:56:17.839 --> 00:56:20.136 against a motion, could they then speak 00:56:20.160 --> 00:56:21.335 while they're speaking against the 00:56:21.359 --> 00:56:23.496 motion, could they then suggest an 00:56:23.520 --> 00:56:25.095 alternate motion that they may put 00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:27.496 without foreshadow? That's exactly 00:56:27.520 --> 00:56:28.936 three, M. That's what I was alluding to. 00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:30.616 But council may be against the position 00:56:30.640 --> 00:56:32.216 because their position is that council 00:56:32.240 --> 00:56:33.896 should do a particular thing that's 00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:36.616 different. 00:56:36.640 --> 00:56:37.416 Thanks. 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.440 All right. So I move my motion counc 00:56:41.040 --> 00:56:42.856 second it speaker for I just speak 00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:44.856 quickly against it. This this is 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:47.815 substantial m um while we wanted to do 00:56:47.839 --> 00:56:49.095 everything we can for the aboriginal 00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:50.295 corporations and we're working 00:56:50.319 --> 00:56:52.456 extensively around that in other areas 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.016 to try and activate land for them. 00:56:55.040 --> 00:56:56.936 this has been going on now already for 5 00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:58.936 years. Um there have been plenty of 00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:00.535 opportunities for them to negotiate the 00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:03.176 s any sale as staff work through the 00:57:03.200 --> 00:57:05.976 process won't occur to 2027. So there is 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:07.656 ample time for the burger land council 00:57:07.680 --> 00:57:09.095 to actually have negotiations with the 00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:11.656 current owner on on without it being 00:57:11.680 --> 00:57:13.896 sold at public auction. Um but we need 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:15.656 to press ahead and we need to recoup our 00:57:15.680 --> 00:57:17.176 rates the same as we do for any other 00:57:17.200 --> 00:57:19.335 individual in the community. So I'd 00:57:19.359 --> 00:57:21.335 recommend that we proceed ahead with it. 00:57:21.359 --> 00:57:23.976 Um and no time do I want to foreshadow 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:25.736 that I'm willing to wave any rates and 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:28.616 fees and charges. Thank you. Speak 00:57:28.640 --> 00:57:30.696 against the bill. 00:57:30.720 --> 00:57:32.216 There we go. We got there. 00:57:32.240 --> 00:57:35.240 , look in in essence, so what my um 00:57:36.640 --> 00:57:38.055 well, it's not a foreshadowed motion. 00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.535 What what what I would be seeking to do 00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:42.295 would be this is a 00:57:42.319 --> 00:57:43.016 amended 00:57:43.040 --> 00:57:46.040 amended. Thank you, Councelor N. What is 00:57:46.160 --> 00:57:49.016 it's not until February of 2027 that 00:57:49.040 --> 00:57:52.040 that the sale will be going ahead. Um, 00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.936 we've had an a a letter an appeal from 00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.416 Beagle Al whose CEO is presently on 00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:00.440 leave um to consider a fee waiver. Now, 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:04.760 I don't think that's necessarily in well 00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:06.696 in our best interest, but what I am 00:58:06.720 --> 00:58:09.720 eager to do is um get further 00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:13.976 information on potential mechanisms 00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.856 for if we if we were to go ahead with 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:18.936 looking for this site to be developed as 00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.960 outlined as 10 to 12 um dwellings for 00:58:23.359 --> 00:58:25.976 Aboriginal elders that we would be able 00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:28.376 to say get in place some assurances that 00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:31.400 that's what the land would be used for 00:58:31.520 --> 00:58:34.456 that it wouldn't be onsold by the LA 00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:36.696 and that our costs could be recovered. 00:58:36.720 --> 00:58:38.376 What I just want to be able to take the 00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:40.295 time this may we may be able to have 00:58:40.319 --> 00:58:41.976 this discussion at the next council 00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:43.896 meeting but take the time to meet with 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:46.295 stakeholders have the staff take their 00:58:46.319 --> 00:58:49.095 time to look at this and see if there's 00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:51.256 a way that we can proceed that can 00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:54.280 facilitate um that development. So 00:58:54.720 --> 00:58:56.055 what's a couple of things that have been 00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:59.016 said on this um have been that this is a 00:58:59.040 --> 00:59:00.856 like very much we don't want to set a 00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:03.656 precedent around waiverss of fees 00:59:03.680 --> 00:59:06.680 unpaid rates and fees. I I agree um 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:09.176 in terms of things that we don't have 00:59:09.200 --> 00:59:11.656 precedent for this opportunity is one I 00:59:11.680 --> 00:59:12.856 don't know that there's been any 00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:15.656 development of this nature um or or 00:59:15.680 --> 00:59:17.496 partnership with any of the LAS to kind 00:59:17.520 --> 00:59:20.520 of pursue this type of housing. So I my 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:23.896 what I'm looking to do is just take a 00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:25.976 little bit longer to explore other 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:28.616 options. It may come back that next 00:59:28.640 --> 00:59:31.095 meeting we have the same motion and then 00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:34.055 it's put to us then yes or no. Are we 00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:36.055 going to proceed um with the sale of 00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.216 land etc. But given we have this time 00:59:38.240 --> 00:59:40.936 frame um to get more information and 00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:43.960 make a decision I would urge us all to 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.936 consider that. Um, my alternate motion 00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:49.256 is in emails and it's not an alternate 00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:51.335 motion. My suggestion, my alternate 00:59:51.359 --> 00:59:54.216 suggestion is in the email and the chat. 00:59:54.240 --> 00:59:56.055 Um, I encourage you to have a a very 00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:59.079 good read of it. Um, and and yeah, and 00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:01.736 to be very clear, there is no suggestion 01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.376 that we we wave the outstanding charges, 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:07.016 just that we simply take a little longer 01:00:07.040 --> 01:00:10.040 to look at this um, you know, very 01:00:10.319 --> 01:00:12.936 unique situation and opportunity. the 01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:14.775 opportunity that this is with a few 01:00:14.799 --> 01:00:17.095 guard rails around that as as guided by 01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:20.119 staff. So, I'd encourage you to um 01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:24.119 consider that motion and vote against 01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:25.976 the current. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:28.376 For the motion, the speaker for the 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.136 motion. 01:00:30.160 --> 01:00:32.136 I need to write a reply. Put the motion. 01:00:32.160 --> 01:00:34.696 All those in favor council porter, 01:00:34.720 --> 01:00:36.456 councelor Allen, councelor, councelor 01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:38.535 dispatch, councelor Nadin, those against. 01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:40.136 Councelor Hager, councelor Daly, 01:00:40.160 --> 01:00:42.535 councelor Madalia, councelor. Motions 01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:44.775 carried. Certificate of investments 01:00:44.799 --> 01:00:47.016 January 2026. 01:00:47.040 --> 01:00:50.040 Council, any questions? 01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:56.216 Council N. 01:00:56.240 --> 01:00:59.240 Second. Council Noble 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.079 to speak to it. Council N 01:01:04.720 --> 01:01:07.720 did have questions, but we'll move on. 01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:09.416 No, 01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:10.856 it's all right. We got other things to 01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:12.295 get through. 01:01:12.319 --> 01:01:14.856 with the motion. All those in favor 01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:16.775 carried unanimously. 01:01:16.799 --> 01:01:19.799 Delivery plan staff reports executive 01:01:20.160 --> 01:01:22.535 services delivering plan counselors 01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:23.256 questions. 01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:25.335 I I'll move it. 01:01:25.359 --> 01:01:28.359 Yep. Council O'Neil 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:31.880 second council Noble council owner you 01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:35.559 speaking to it. 01:01:36.640 --> 01:01:39.496 Um this is a really full account of 01:01:39.520 --> 01:01:40.936 what's been happening against our 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:43.016 delivery plan. I define anyone to be 01:01:43.040 --> 01:01:44.616 right across every part of this detail 01:01:44.640 --> 01:01:47.575 except maybe the CEO. Um but I did want 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:49.896 to highlight a couple of spots in there. 01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:51.815 Um let's start with the negatives. We 01:01:51.839 --> 01:01:53.335 have deferred a number of big capital 01:01:53.359 --> 01:01:56.136 works as has been publicly acknowledged. 01:01:56.160 --> 01:01:58.376 So that means to me as a arrogant 01:01:58.400 --> 01:01:59.815 delegate that we have to keep looking at 01:01:59.839 --> 01:02:01.656 our forward planning and ability to 01:02:01.680 --> 01:02:04.680 project manage effectively. Not every 01:02:04.720 --> 01:02:06.936 deferral is a bad one, but it's just a 01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:08.856 message to us all to keep an eye on 01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:11.880 that. Um I did want to note there um as 01:02:13.200 --> 01:02:16.200 the CEO said in a a meet new cadetses 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:19.880 and trainees event this morning that 01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:21.736 this council has done extraordinarily 01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:23.416 well out of the fresh start and the 01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.216 youth um investment program projects of 01:02:26.240 --> 01:02:28.216 the state government to allow us to take 01:02:28.240 --> 01:02:31.240 on at cadetses and traineeships local 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:33.815 people trained for local jobs getting an 01:02:33.839 --> 01:02:36.696 education alongside work. Um and to 01:02:36.720 --> 01:02:38.775 thank the CEO for pursuing those 01:02:38.799 --> 01:02:41.799 opportunities as energetically as we 01:02:41.839 --> 01:02:43.976 have and to congratulate in fact the 01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:45.896 young cadetses and trainees that we met 01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:47.736 this morning. It's really heartening to 01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:49.896 see kids so enthusiastic about pursuing 01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:52.535 a career seeing it through plus getting 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:55.095 the education on the sides to fit them 01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:58.055 from a variety of futures. Um there's 01:02:58.079 --> 01:02:59.656 another one I just wanted to mention too 01:02:59.680 --> 01:03:02.680 for anyone listening in. Um the council 01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:05.960 papers are often labyrinthan. It is hard 01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:08.775 for counselors to be on top of all the 01:03:08.799 --> 01:03:10.936 material in it. Takes a lot of time and 01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:13.960 effort. So I notice on page 507 01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:16.535 um that the staff have been doing work 01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:18.936 on improving their report writing skills 01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:21.335 on making sure that they're relevant to 01:03:21.359 --> 01:03:23.335 the decision makers and the material is 01:03:23.359 --> 01:03:26.359 there. Um that is such an important 01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:28.216 thing to do. can get overlooked in the 01:03:28.240 --> 01:03:29.736 rush for everything else like that. But 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:31.815 it's one of those things that leads to 01:03:31.839 --> 01:03:33.256 better decision- making. So, 01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:35.656 congratulations on that and I can't 01:03:35.680 --> 01:03:38.680 resist on saying that I have tried very 01:03:38.799 --> 01:03:40.616 hard to keep the apostrophe in our 01:03:40.640 --> 01:03:43.640 reports. I'm failing at that. But could 01:03:43.680 --> 01:03:45.095 I just bring your attention to the 01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:46.936 possessive case in the English language 01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:49.095 is a very important one and we should 01:03:49.119 --> 01:03:51.496 not let it go just from sheer inability 01:03:51.520 --> 01:03:53.575 to work out where an apostrophe should 01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:56.599 go. Okay. You know, build a bridge. 01:03:56.799 --> 01:03:58.136 No. Well, I meant the same thing for 01:03:58.160 --> 01:03:59.736 officers recommendation, but we've got 01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:02.760 that now. Officers recommendation. 01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:05.575 Okay. I'm leaving. I I acknowledge 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:08.599 failure on that one. Um the other um one 01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:13.000 that um I just wanted to mention, the IT 01:04:13.359 --> 01:04:15.496 projects here are really crucial for our 01:04:15.520 --> 01:04:17.575 ability to get better in the future. So, 01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:19.656 I'll keep an eye on those in the in the 01:04:19.680 --> 01:04:22.295 future. But overall, thank you very 01:04:22.319 --> 01:04:24.696 much. Despite the ones which aren't 01:04:24.720 --> 01:04:26.376 going as well as the others, I can see 01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:29.256 there's a an overall plan and an effort 01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:31.095 to work against our delivery plan for 01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:33.256 the next few years. 01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:36.280 Thanks for speaker against put the 01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:39.095 recommendation. All those in favor 01:04:39.119 --> 01:04:41.896 carried unanimously. Item 11.2 Two, 01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:43.416 Australian local government notice the 01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:46.216 motions that the mayor council is to be 01:04:46.240 --> 01:04:48.456 determined and the CEO or their delegate 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:51.480 attend the Australian local government 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:53.496 conference and the motions one to three 01:04:53.520 --> 01:04:56.520 as per the paper. Um he put to ALGA the 01:04:57.680 --> 01:04:59.575 council resolve on additional motions as 01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:02.216 required that meet the listed principles 01:05:02.240 --> 01:05:04.055 forwarding to Alga to include them in 01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:07.079 the business paper. Counselors obviously 01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:09.176 we would need to determine who else is 01:05:09.200 --> 01:05:12.136 going. Mr. See how many positions do we 01:05:12.160 --> 01:05:15.160 have? Seven or eight. 01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:19.000 Three, Mr. Mayor. Council does have a um 01:05:19.520 --> 01:05:22.456 council development budget that I would 01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:24.535 say hasn't been fully utilized this 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:27.176 year. So they we could within existing 01:05:27.200 --> 01:05:29.815 budgets fund several councils. I think 01:05:29.839 --> 01:05:31.896 last year we had four 01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:32.696 three and the mayor. 01:05:32.720 --> 01:05:35.575 Three and the mayor. Yep. And I mean 01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:37.976 indicatively that that's not that far 01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:39.416 off what we've traditionally had. It's 01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:42.440 fluctuated up and down a bit. So 01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:45.256 if if asked, I could find out exactly 01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:46.616 how much we had remaining in the budget 01:05:46.640 --> 01:05:48.295 if the number got really high as to who 01:05:48.319 --> 01:05:49.736 wanted to attend this as professional 01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:51.015 development. 01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:52.856 Um when's the next um local government 01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:54.535 New South Wales conference? 01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:55.095 November. 01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:56.376 Yeah. T November. 01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:57.896 Local government New South Wales always 01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:00.920 November. August always June. 01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:04.535 I've got some questions. 01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:05.896 Council know questions. 01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:07.176 Okay. This goes to the motions 01:06:07.200 --> 01:06:08.136 themselves. 01:06:08.160 --> 01:06:09.095 All right. Yeah. Yep. 01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:09.976 If you don't mind. 01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:10.616 No, that's fine. 01:06:10.640 --> 01:06:13.640 Yeah. Um, but perhaps if I just say 01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:15.656 which um 01:06:15.680 --> 01:06:18.136 yeah, so the on the ones about tiny 01:06:18.160 --> 01:06:20.216 homes, I thought that we as a council 01:06:20.240 --> 01:06:22.055 have decided to avoid that term like the 01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:24.535 plague because it covers so many things. 01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:26.616 So I'm just saying should we say movable 01:06:26.640 --> 01:06:27.976 dwellings, manufactured homes and 01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:29.496 secondary dwellings or whatever you 01:06:29.520 --> 01:06:32.295 suggest rather than adopting this 01:06:32.319 --> 01:06:34.535 particular nomature if that's the right 01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:37.559 word. Um and I thought um we could 01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:41.575 possibly include wording about this um 01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:44.599 should specify regional um ramifications 01:06:45.359 --> 01:06:47.176 of this sort of thing rather than the 01:06:47.200 --> 01:06:49.015 more general one that it's got. And the 01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:51.256 other one was um the enabling land 01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:54.280 Aboriginal land activation to support um 01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:57.559 closing the gap. Um, I absolutely agree 01:06:58.240 --> 01:06:59.656 with what's in this, but I just 01:06:59.680 --> 01:07:01.815 mentioned I I just wanted to know what 01:07:01.839 --> 01:07:04.216 the relevance was to the new legislation 01:07:04.240 --> 01:07:07.240 on the EPBC act on biodiversity 01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:11.559 agreements with the states. 01:07:11.839 --> 01:07:13.095 You want me to speak to the biodiversity 01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:13.256 one? 01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:13.976 Yeah, 01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:15.656 I'll start on the biodiversity one. So, 01:07:15.680 --> 01:07:17.496 we have several parcels of Aboriginal 01:07:17.520 --> 01:07:19.496 land that we've been trying to activate. 01:07:19.520 --> 01:07:20.856 Um, when they've did their assessment 01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:22.295 under the New South Wales Act, which is 01:07:22.319 --> 01:07:23.656 the one they're entitled to do it under 01:07:23.680 --> 01:07:26.055 at present because the EB the federal 01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:27.416 new federal act is still being 01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.335 legislated, they are required to meet 01:07:29.359 --> 01:07:31.416 the New South Wales biodiversity. Then 01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:32.856 there's the opportunity for the federal 01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:34.136 government be placed over the top of it 01:07:34.160 --> 01:07:35.815 and they have to duplicate and do 01:07:35.839 --> 01:07:38.535 another biodiversity report. 01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:39.656 That's what we've been trying to 01:07:39.680 --> 01:07:42.216 advocate for is that if the same the 01:07:42.240 --> 01:07:44.456 both biodiversity legislation is the 01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:46.216 same and the states align with the 01:07:46.240 --> 01:07:48.616 federal in this case on Aboriginal land 01:07:48.640 --> 01:07:49.656 that we have that we're trying to 01:07:49.680 --> 01:07:51.976 activate mainly with the Aboriginal land 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:54.535 council there's numerous bodies of crown 01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:56.535 land that they've been given but also 01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:58.376 have native title claims on it and by 01:07:58.400 --> 01:07:59.815 the time you take the native title claim 01:07:59.839 --> 01:08:01.896 and the biodiversity offset the land 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:04.456 value is 25% of the granted land value 01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:06.856 and then so no activation takes place 01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:09.880 because of what they've got pay. So the 01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:11.416 advocacy we've been doing to the New 01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:13.176 South Wales government around this is 01:08:13.200 --> 01:08:14.616 that the biodiversity should be looked 01:08:14.640 --> 01:08:16.376 at in a different way on Aboriginal land 01:08:16.400 --> 01:08:17.976 to allow them to activate the land for 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:19.735 the purposes that it was given to them. 01:08:19.759 --> 01:08:22.135 This motion simply reinforces that to 01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:24.456 both at a Commonwealth level through 01:08:24.480 --> 01:08:26.856 ALGA. So 01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:27.976 um I'm just going to ask a further 01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:29.735 question. Is the intent then that we 01:08:29.759 --> 01:08:32.759 influence the Commonwealth to state EPBC 01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:34.536 agreements that are coming up or a 01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:36.856 completely new policy? 01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:38.536 Well, until we get the adoption of the 01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:41.496 federal policy fully, we don't know. 01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:43.496 I'll be honest about that, which is a 01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:45.576 worry. So, 01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:48.600 my reading of of um motion two and you 01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:50.936 know, coming as as the green in the 01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:53.016 room, um yeah, I shared the concerns 01:08:53.040 --> 01:08:55.255 about um environmental protection. I 01:08:55.279 --> 01:08:56.456 think it's a fabulous opportunity to 01:08:56.480 --> 01:08:58.616 open up a dialogue between um Aboriginal 01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:00.376 people who have been here for tens of 01:09:00.400 --> 01:09:02.456 thousands of years, living in the 01:09:02.480 --> 01:09:05.480 environment, not somewhere else. Um, and 01:09:06.480 --> 01:09:08.616 um, I I actually support the motion, 01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:10.695 too. For that reason, I think it's it's 01:09:10.719 --> 01:09:13.016 not writing legislation. It's a it's a 01:09:13.040 --> 01:09:15.096 motion to take to ALA. It's a fabulous 01:09:15.120 --> 01:09:17.576 way to open up a conversation. So, 01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:19.096 um, yeah, I should be clear, Mr. Mayor. 01:09:19.120 --> 01:09:20.695 I was not opposing it. I just wanted to 01:09:20.719 --> 01:09:22.456 make sure that we picked up the nuance 01:09:22.480 --> 01:09:24.536 because I don't want policy makers to 01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:25.815 just say, "Oh, you haven't looked at the 01:09:25.839 --> 01:09:27.576 new legislation." 01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:29.096 Extreme me. I'll add another piece of 01:09:29.120 --> 01:09:30.856 nuance. You picked one piece of 01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:33.175 environmental related legislation that 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.416 impacts Aboriginal people from being 01:09:35.440 --> 01:09:37.815 able to activate land for housing, 01:09:37.839 --> 01:09:39.416 economic development and community 01:09:39.440 --> 01:09:41.175 benefit. It is not just that piece of 01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:43.815 legislation that's holding Aboriginal 01:09:43.839 --> 01:09:45.016 people back from an environmental 01:09:45.040 --> 01:09:46.936 perspective. 01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:48.616 Thanks. 01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:50.936 Yeah, Mr. Mayor, I've been processing 01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:53.960 the tiny homes thing in my head. The the 01:09:54.320 --> 01:09:57.320 reason is we we want to be quite 01:09:57.920 --> 01:10:00.920 explicit that that is a term that is 01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:03.496 getting used more and more nationally to 01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:06.520 describe a particular type of housing. 01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:09.800 So 01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:11.655 the definition of movable dwellings is 01:10:11.679 --> 01:10:13.655 not a nationwide definition for example. 01:10:13.679 --> 01:10:15.576 So we've got to be careful about what it 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:17.896 is we're trying to 01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:20.920 call out at a national level here. 01:10:21.679 --> 01:10:23.896 We could reconsider some slight nuancing 01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:26.920 around the wording. I I will share that 01:10:27.040 --> 01:10:29.096 I learned a new term for these things 01:10:29.120 --> 01:10:30.695 that I didn't know was a term for these 01:10:30.719 --> 01:10:32.135 things after having a meeting with the 01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:34.056 executive team of Snowman and I'll 01:10:34.080 --> 01:10:36.776 quickly share this. We were asking them 01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:38.936 if they were seeing many tiny homes 01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:41.416 appear in their LGA. They said, "Oh, no, 01:10:41.440 --> 01:10:42.616 not really." And then they said, "But 01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:43.736 we've got these plonkers." I'm like, 01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:45.016 "What's a ploner?" And they described 01:10:45.040 --> 01:10:46.456 what a ploner was. And a ploner is a 01:10:46.480 --> 01:10:49.480 tiny home. Caught a different thing. So 01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:51.496 get the point. People are calling the 01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:54.520 same thing a different thing. And yeah, 01:10:54.719 --> 01:10:56.695 the the point is around Yeah, the point 01:10:56.719 --> 01:10:58.536 is around 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:01.256 finding a way to um clarify all this and 01:11:01.280 --> 01:11:04.280 find a way to to make lower cost housing 01:11:04.480 --> 01:11:06.215 feasible. I'll pass the direct the 01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:07.576 director's got something to 01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:08.376 someone call. Can 01:11:08.400 --> 01:11:10.456 can I suggest a motion that we um that 01:11:10.480 --> 01:11:12.056 um Bigger Valley accepts the term 01:11:12.080 --> 01:11:15.080 ploners as opposed to tiny homes? 01:11:15.360 --> 01:11:17.896 in their secular pods. 01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:18.856 Sorry, 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:20.296 through you, Mr. Mayor. I was just going 01:11:20.320 --> 01:11:22.376 to suggest even if we just put quotation 01:11:22.400 --> 01:11:24.456 marks around tiny home because I think 01:11:24.480 --> 01:11:26.856 it is, as um the CEO said, we need to 01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:29.256 refer to the colloquial name, but even 01:11:29.280 --> 01:11:30.616 just putting that quotation mark will 01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.640 show it's not an actual legislated term. 01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:36.616 Very good. Done. Any further questions 01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:37.576 on the motions? 01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:39.096 no, but we need to choose people. 01:11:39.120 --> 01:11:40.776 That's right. 01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:41.896 Yes. 01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:44.296 cuz I'll nominate council Porter 01:11:44.320 --> 01:11:44.536 which 01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:46.856 if anyone wants I'll nominate councelor 01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:49.816 Porter as one of the delegates. 01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:52.840 I'll nominate Simon Dailyaly. 01:11:54.080 --> 01:11:57.080 I'll nominate Claire Medallia. 01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:01.960 It's like who wants to go nominate. 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:06.199 I'll also nominate Peggy 01:12:07.040 --> 01:12:10.040 just to see how that's for. Will that 01:12:10.400 --> 01:12:11.256 affect your lending? 01:12:11.280 --> 01:12:13.416 , true, Mr. Mayor. I believe that we 01:12:13.440 --> 01:12:14.856 will be able to cover that within 01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:17.175 existing budgets. I will commit though 01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:19.655 to bringing back a report to council if 01:12:19.679 --> 01:12:21.416 a budget variation was going to be 01:12:21.440 --> 01:12:23.976 required to cover that cost. 01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:25.336 And because there's only one voting 01:12:25.360 --> 01:12:26.856 right which rests with the mayor, it's 01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:28.376 not a voting issue. We don't have to 01:12:28.400 --> 01:12:31.400 vote for or against anyone put that the 01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:34.920 four. So the four council Porter, 01:12:35.280 --> 01:12:37.096 councelor Daly, councelor Medalia, 01:12:37.120 --> 01:12:38.776 councelor Noble attend along with the 01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:40.536 mayor and the CEO of the Australian 01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:41.976 local government conference that the 01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:44.215 motions one to three as presented and if 01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:45.816 councilors have further motions they be 01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:47.736 submitted to the CEO as quickly as 01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:49.256 possible so we can get them included in 01:12:49.280 --> 01:12:51.655 the business papers. Councilors someone 01:12:51.679 --> 01:12:54.215 move 01:12:54.239 --> 01:12:56.695 and councelor Allen 01:12:56.719 --> 01:12:57.655 did you want to reply? 01:12:57.679 --> 01:12:59.175 No, this just something want to add if I 01:12:59.199 --> 01:12:59.576 can 01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:01.976 go before I put the motion. Ex just 01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:03.576 wanted to um clarify with 01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:05.256 counterattendance at this and what I was 01:13:05.280 --> 01:13:07.496 saying about professional development. 01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:09.175 This conference isn't just about 01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:11.016 attending and voting on motions. This 01:13:11.040 --> 01:13:12.776 conference has a lot of other very 01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:15.800 valuable um seminars, workshops, and um 01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:19.896 we we also have the opportunity to hear 01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:22.920 from numerous federal politicians at the 01:13:23.040 --> 01:13:25.416 time on national policy issues. So, it's 01:13:25.440 --> 01:13:26.856 not just about attending to vote on 01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:28.376 motions, which is why it would be 01:13:28.400 --> 01:13:31.400 considered professional development. 01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:34.936 for the motion. All those in favor 01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:37.576 carried unanimously. There's no council 01:13:37.600 --> 01:13:40.600 reports. No recision alteration motions. 01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:43.096 Notice the motion is 14.1 water 01:13:43.120 --> 01:13:44.536 bubblers. Councelor Allen, your motion. 01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:46.536 You have a second. 01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:48.695 Council Noble. 01:13:48.719 --> 01:13:50.215 Councelor Allen. Over to you. 01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:52.456 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I think the um 01:13:52.480 --> 01:13:55.416 notice of motion is self-explanatory. 01:13:55.440 --> 01:13:58.440 Mr. Mayor, the um the um bubblers 01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:02.695 do appear around certain areas of the SH 01:14:02.719 --> 01:14:05.719 at certain sporting locations, but 01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:08.296 they're missing at other locations and 01:14:08.320 --> 01:14:09.816 that's being noticed that they aren't at 01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:12.840 certain locations. So, it's um it's just 01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:15.880 a matter of the staff coming up with 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:17.655 some areas where they believe that the 01:14:17.679 --> 01:14:20.135 bubblers may be applicable. If they find 01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:21.416 no areas, well, that's fine. But at 01:14:21.440 --> 01:14:24.440 least we'll have a an idea from the 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:27.016 staff about the availability of them or 01:14:27.040 --> 01:14:29.655 not availability. And um the the only 01:14:29.679 --> 01:14:31.976 other thing I'd flag Mr. Mayor is that 01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:34.536 if the recommendation comes back and 01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:37.560 there is some positive outcomes, but I'd 01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:40.600 be flagging that the costs attached to 01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:43.880 any recommendations would be met by or 01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:47.159 through or at the next quarterly review. 01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:50.600 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. 01:14:51.040 --> 01:14:53.976 speaker against 01:14:54.000 --> 01:14:57.000 I'll speak for this part of ground 01:14:57.840 --> 01:14:59.655 fruiting needs to be done as well around 01:14:59.679 --> 01:15:01.736 some of these because I noticed in the 01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:03.976 comments that Panler Sporting Complex 01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:05.655 was mentioned. I was down there this 01:15:05.679 --> 01:15:07.496 morning very early. There's actually 01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:09.175 seven taps available on the outside of 01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:11.175 the building that can be turned on quite 01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:14.135 easily to fill water bottles. So, um I 01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:15.736 think sometimes we don't look what we've 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:18.056 already got there. Um, and we just need 01:15:18.080 --> 01:15:19.576 to be careful that we not just run 01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:20.695 around putting bubblers when there's 01:15:20.719 --> 01:15:23.175 other forms of containing water out 01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:26.199 them. But I'll support council's motion. 01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:36.376 Clear then with this report that 01:15:36.400 --> 01:15:38.456 would come back, 01:15:38.480 --> 01:15:41.480 you would consider um a tap essentially 01:15:42.480 --> 01:15:44.536 a bubbler or 01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:45.896 you only got to turn it on to get water. 01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:47.896 Oh, no. I don't know. I I it just 01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:49.816 changed my mind when you said that. So 01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:51.416 like I just I'm putting that on the 01:15:51.440 --> 01:15:54.440 record. Anyway, that's fine. 01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:56.376 Council, 01:15:56.400 --> 01:15:58.776 um I just wanted to thank Tony Allen 01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:01.256 because councelor Allen for this because 01:16:01.280 --> 01:16:04.215 one of the big scourges of our current 01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:07.175 lifestyle are plastic water bottles and 01:16:07.199 --> 01:16:09.175 actually bubblers and taps outside 01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:12.199 sporting grounds. Having those there is 01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:14.056 actually one of the really big things 01:16:14.080 --> 01:16:16.456 that will help remove plastic waste from 01:16:16.480 --> 01:16:18.536 the environment. I've been involved in 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:20.056 the past on a thing called Green Music 01:16:20.080 --> 01:16:22.135 Australia and this is exactly the sort 01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:24.536 of thing that is now going into planning 01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:26.536 outdoor festivals as a really big 01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:28.856 priority to remove um plastic water 01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:31.096 bottles from dumping in our waste 01:16:31.120 --> 01:16:34.120 facilities. 01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:37.416 Any speaker against council on your 01:16:37.440 --> 01:16:39.416 right reply? 01:16:39.440 --> 01:16:41.016 Thanks for the motion. All those in 01:16:41.040 --> 01:16:44.040 favor carried unanimously. 01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:46.776 Item 4.2 development there. Alice Street 01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:49.655 Car Council Daniel have us different. 01:16:49.679 --> 01:16:52.135 I do I emailed it because I am not great 01:16:52.159 --> 01:16:54.056 on the old um teams thing. So I just 01:16:54.080 --> 01:16:56.056 emailed it to you and said thank you 01:16:56.080 --> 01:16:58.135 very much councelor Porter. I just don't 01:16:58.159 --> 01:16:59.736 like my wording there where it says 01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:02.760 costbenefit analysis be done be 01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:05.256 considered for either Alice Street or 01:17:05.280 --> 01:17:07.016 Palmer Lane. Is that all right if I just 01:17:07.040 --> 01:17:10.040 change that Jackie? be in dot.3 a 01:17:10.320 --> 01:17:12.456 costbenefit analysis be considered for 01:17:12.480 --> 01:17:15.480 either Alice Street or Palmer Lane and 01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:18.215 I'll um 01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:21.239 and I can speak to that Mr. Mayor 01:17:22.080 --> 01:17:24.536 before any questions. 01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:26.376 Oh, no, no, no, no. I've emailed it to 01:17:26.400 --> 01:17:28.776 you, Cummal. 01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:29.175 Just 01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:31.016 Yeah. 01:17:31.040 --> 01:17:31.336 So, 01:17:31.360 --> 01:17:33.416 that council note the Mima CBD master 01:17:33.440 --> 01:17:35.576 plan. The direction was to relocate car 01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:37.816 parks that were lost in Be Street. Two, 01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:39.576 that council commit to neutralizing 01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:41.416 replacing any proposed loss of car parks 01:17:41.440 --> 01:17:44.440 during the CBD upgrades with nearby car 01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:46.536 parks. That if extra parking is required 01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:47.976 as part of the CBD upgrade, a 01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:49.816 costbenefit analysis be done on either 01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:51.896 Alice Street or Palmer Bla car parks for 01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:54.456 tier parking. Thank you. 01:17:54.480 --> 01:17:57.480 And um so councilors, this is a sort of 01:17:58.560 --> 01:17:59.816 an interesting one if you've been around 01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:01.416 council for a long time now. I've got 01:18:01.440 --> 01:18:04.440 the final landscape master plan January 01:18:05.120 --> 01:18:08.120 2015 sitting in front of me and um and 01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:11.336 that was a document that was adopted um 01:18:11.360 --> 01:18:13.576 back then. Um it's great. I'm sure there 01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:16.056 was consultation done. I'm sure you know 01:18:16.080 --> 01:18:18.376 the processes went through um but it was 01:18:18.400 --> 01:18:20.776 just a plan. it was it was adopted and 01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:23.096 should we have gotten um grant funding 01:18:23.120 --> 01:18:25.175 in the future we wanted to proceed with 01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:28.199 different aspects of it. Um since then 01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:30.776 we've done things like transport um 01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:33.800 studies, parking, traffic um and other 01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:36.856 we even did a review of this landscape 01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:39.880 master plan as well. And one of the one 01:18:40.719 --> 01:18:43.719 of the things that it had in it which I 01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:45.655 think appears to have slipped by the 01:18:45.679 --> 01:18:48.679 wayside here um and I can read it out 01:18:49.040 --> 01:18:52.040 and that was that we resolved CV parking 01:18:52.480 --> 01:18:54.856 arrangers to relocate 01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:57.880 car parking spaces prior to detailed 01:18:58.000 --> 01:19:01.000 design and implementation of works. So 01:19:01.280 --> 01:19:03.256 for instance um in beach so in the 01:19:03.280 --> 01:19:05.896 original master plan there was an 01:19:05.920 --> 01:19:08.536 existing 55 spaces it says here in beach 01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:11.560 street market street um and the proposed 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:14.776 was 25 in other words a reduction well 01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:17.800 it actually says relocate 30 spaces 01:19:17.920 --> 01:19:20.920 right here relocate 30 spaces. Um now 01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:23.256 obviously the heat's on at the moment. 01:19:23.280 --> 01:19:25.096 We got some money. We've got some plans 01:19:25.120 --> 01:19:28.120 coming as well. Um you you you 01:19:28.320 --> 01:19:30.936 councilors were very aware of the recent 01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:33.960 plans. Um we did I did my own count. Um 01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:37.800 I counted negative 52 car parks. Um um 01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:42.536 most of which were from um that Beach 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:45.560 Street precinct. Um, so the reason why 01:19:45.679 --> 01:19:47.816 I'm putting this motion up is because I 01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:50.296 want to I want to reiterate our 01:19:50.320 --> 01:19:53.175 commitment here that we're not going to 01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:56.199 settle for a reduction in car spaces at 01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:59.096 that part of town. Right? I say that 01:19:59.120 --> 01:20:01.655 part of town because we don't have in 01:20:01.679 --> 01:20:04.296 Mimula a car parking problem across the 01:20:04.320 --> 01:20:07.256 entire CBD. If you go up to say Total 01:20:07.280 --> 01:20:10.056 Tools, Woollies, Aldi, the Club 01:20:10.080 --> 01:20:11.655 Sapphire, 01:20:11.679 --> 01:20:13.576 we've got I think that there's more than 01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:15.736 1,200 or something car parks at that 01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:17.896 side of We don't have a problem with car 01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:20.056 parking up there. Okay, it's fine. The 01:20:20.080 --> 01:20:21.976 problem is if you're elderly, you might 01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:23.256 not have a sticker on your car. You 01:20:23.280 --> 01:20:24.616 might not be, you know, near the 01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:26.616 accessible thing, but we do have a 01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:29.016 higher um percentage of elderly people 01:20:29.040 --> 01:20:31.416 living in the Mimula Chura PB um 01:20:31.440 --> 01:20:33.896 precinct. Um, they do need accessible 01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:35.816 car spaces that are close to whatever 01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:37.655 the destination is that they need to go. 01:20:37.679 --> 01:20:39.096 You talk to the Mingular Chamber of 01:20:39.120 --> 01:20:41.096 Commerce, they will back up those ex 01:20:41.120 --> 01:20:43.256 that exact statement. You're going for a 01:20:43.280 --> 01:20:44.695 coffee at the waterfront or Market 01:20:44.719 --> 01:20:47.416 Street, Mormo's up for dinner, Mezcow or 01:20:47.440 --> 01:20:50.440 Metro, the Superet, you need to park by. 01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:52.056 You can't park at Club Sapphire. You 01:20:52.080 --> 01:20:53.976 can't park up at um Wworth and just 01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:56.616 totle down the street. I can, but a lot 01:20:56.640 --> 01:20:58.456 of people can't, right? And and you 01:20:58.480 --> 01:21:00.856 know, it was interesting cuz councelor 01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:03.576 um Medallia wrote an email earlier this 01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:05.175 week and said, you know, I really think 01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:07.336 that the um access and inclusion 01:21:07.360 --> 01:21:09.016 committee should be considered more and 01:21:09.040 --> 01:21:11.256 consulted more during this process. And 01:21:11.280 --> 01:21:13.175 I think you're absolutely right. Um but 01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:14.856 I would put it to you council medallia, 01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:17.096 it's not just people with disabilities. 01:21:17.120 --> 01:21:19.736 It is people who are mobility impaired. 01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:21.416 So, the reason why I'm putting this up, 01:21:21.440 --> 01:21:23.976 it is for noting that council note in 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:25.816 the Mingula City master plan, the 01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:27.736 direction was to quote, relocate, I'm 01:21:27.760 --> 01:21:29.336 reading it straight from the master plan 01:21:29.360 --> 01:21:30.776 right now that's in front of me, car 01:21:30.800 --> 01:21:32.936 parks that were lost in Beach Street. 01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:34.856 that council commit to neutralizing 01:21:34.880 --> 01:21:36.776 replacing any proposed losses of car 01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:38.776 parks during the CBD upgrades, the 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:39.976 process that we're going through at the 01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:42.695 moment, and that if extra parking is 01:21:42.719 --> 01:21:45.496 required, that we can start that process 01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:48.520 of a costbenefit analysis um be done on 01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:51.175 the the Alice Street or Palmer car parks 01:21:51.199 --> 01:21:54.199 for tiered parking. Um I in the in the 01:21:57.199 --> 01:21:59.336 amount that I'm in Mibula as someone who 01:21:59.360 --> 01:22:01.016 you know works has worked in the area 01:22:01.040 --> 01:22:04.040 and lived in the area for decades now um 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:07.256 I can tell you that things have probably 01:22:07.280 --> 01:22:09.256 never been tougher for businesses in 01:22:09.280 --> 01:22:12.280 that area. Right? The loss of between 20 01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:15.560 and 60 car parks in that part of town 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:18.376 could be catastrophic. 01:22:18.400 --> 01:22:19.976 That could mean the end of these 01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:21.976 businesses. The end of the businesses 01:22:22.000 --> 01:22:23.736 means the end of jobs. It means the end 01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:26.760 of investment. We will see four lease 01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:29.655 signs popping up everywhere. Um it's a 01:22:29.679 --> 01:22:32.679 butterfly effect and I you know I I 01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:34.215 think about it in terms of we were 01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:35.736 having a discussion before about private 01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:37.496 car park versus public car parking. If 01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:39.816 it can be provided I'd love private car 01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:41.816 parks to be and you can when you're a 01:22:41.840 --> 01:22:43.496 multi-billion dollar organization like 01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:46.215 Woolly's. can provide that car parking 01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:49.239 when you're the news agent, when you're 01:22:49.280 --> 01:22:52.280 Moros, um you know, even the new $10 01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:55.800 million twod hall. It is up to us. This 01:22:55.920 --> 01:22:58.536 is our core business to provide that 01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:01.560 level of amenity in our, you know, one 01:23:01.679 --> 01:23:04.679 of our main tourist towns. So, I hope 01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:06.376 you can vote for this. This is going to 01:23:06.400 --> 01:23:08.536 send a strong message not only to the to 01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:10.695 the project group who are doing who 01:23:10.719 --> 01:23:13.096 going through this process that I'm we 01:23:13.120 --> 01:23:15.816 certainly will not accept um a reduction 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:18.056 a huge reduction in car parks um at that 01:23:18.080 --> 01:23:19.816 part of town. So you're going to have to 01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:22.840 come up with a plan to reallocate those 01:23:23.120 --> 01:23:25.416 car parks. Um but it sends a strong 01:23:25.440 --> 01:23:27.256 message to the community as well. Don't 01:23:27.280 --> 01:23:29.655 worry, we've got your backs. We're not 01:23:29.679 --> 01:23:31.175 going to go through this process. as 01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:33.576 great as it fabulous these ideas are of 01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:35.816 the greenery here and the playground and 01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:38.056 the re reclaimed land. It's fabulous. I 01:23:38.080 --> 01:23:41.016 love it all. But we that we have an 01:23:41.040 --> 01:23:42.215 obligation that if we're going to 01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:44.856 proceed with this, we adhere to our word 01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:47.655 which is relocate those car parks nearby 01:23:47.679 --> 01:23:49.256 for our residents. So I hope you can 01:23:49.280 --> 01:23:50.135 vote for it. 01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:53.159 Thanks Council. Speaker against 01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:54.536 Hager. 01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:56.856 Um thank you council lady for your 01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:59.880 motion. so 01:24:01.120 --> 01:24:03.336 I turn my microphone off. Um a couple of 01:24:03.360 --> 01:24:05.175 things. Um council N pointed out that 01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:07.256 there are a lot of parking spaces 01:24:07.280 --> 01:24:09.896 further um around Club Sapphire, around 01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:12.920 Wworth, around Aldi. Um the I I'm I'm 01:24:14.080 --> 01:24:17.080 really concerned that um the the 01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:20.135 direction to relocate all every single 01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:22.376 car parking space. The the the the 01:24:22.400 --> 01:24:24.296 straight jacket that puts on the design 01:24:24.320 --> 01:24:26.695 for the CBD if we're neutralizing and 01:24:26.719 --> 01:24:29.336 replacing all car parking space. And I 01:24:29.360 --> 01:24:32.056 am aesthetically opposed to tiered car 01:24:32.080 --> 01:24:34.056 parking in a space like Alice Street 01:24:34.080 --> 01:24:35.976 when um it just, you know, it just it 01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:37.496 just seems to me to be going back to 01:24:37.520 --> 01:24:39.576 20th century solutions when we're 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:42.456 looking for 21st century design. Um we 01:24:42.480 --> 01:24:45.480 share a I think the council nate and I 01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:47.496 share a view of what Beach Street could 01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:50.520 be, how how how this um could um further 01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:53.960 develop the precinct. I think as as far 01:24:54.239 --> 01:24:57.239 as um access to car parking spaces 01:24:57.280 --> 01:24:59.096 for people with access issues, 01:24:59.120 --> 01:25:01.016 Clamadali was right to raise that um 01:25:01.040 --> 01:25:03.096 access and inclusion committee should be 01:25:03.120 --> 01:25:06.120 involved in this. Um but one of the 01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:07.736 things you need to do is reduce the 01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:09.256 number of cars on the street if you want 01:25:09.280 --> 01:25:11.655 to make it safer for old people to to 01:25:11.679 --> 01:25:14.536 access to access shops and then provide 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:16.615 um a higher percentage of disabled 01:25:16.639 --> 01:25:19.639 parking for example or um pick up put 01:25:19.679 --> 01:25:22.135 down places. This is this isn't done by 01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:24.215 putting a massive tiered car park in 01:25:24.239 --> 01:25:26.856 Alice Street. So I would urge I would 01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:28.376 urge councils to vote against this 01:25:28.400 --> 01:25:29.896 motion. 01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:31.976 Councelor Hag speaker for 01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:33.496 Yes, I will. Council Porter. 01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:34.776 Um look, I don't have a lot to say 01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:36.695 because I think councelor Naiden said 01:25:36.719 --> 01:25:38.376 a lot of it, but I I want to make the 01:25:38.400 --> 01:25:40.695 points um first of all that this is 01:25:40.719 --> 01:25:43.416 talking about Alice Street and Palmer 01:25:43.440 --> 01:25:45.576 Lane and just looking what the options 01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:48.600 are. So, this is not a motion to say, 01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:50.456 you know, get the picks and shovels out. 01:25:50.480 --> 01:25:52.296 We're going to build a car park. It is 01:25:52.320 --> 01:25:55.320 acknowledging that um there should not 01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:58.296 be a loss in parking and there should be 01:25:58.320 --> 01:26:00.376 sufficient parking and we should be 01:26:00.400 --> 01:26:02.615 doing the work to make sure that parking 01:26:02.639 --> 01:26:05.639 exists. Um, the other comment I want to 01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:08.376 make is that I think we should be very 01:26:08.400 --> 01:26:11.016 careful when we talk about mobility 01:26:11.040 --> 01:26:13.496 parking spots and the mobility parking 01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:16.520 scheme because to be able to access and 01:26:18.400 --> 01:26:21.400 hold a mobility parking permit, you need 01:26:22.159 --> 01:26:24.936 to be not able to walk more than I think 01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:27.960 it's 50 m umpermanently every day all 01:26:29.280 --> 01:26:32.280 the time. So, um elderly people or or 01:26:33.440 --> 01:26:36.440 even people in their um 01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:39.960 mid years um that have certain 01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:43.416 physical problems that may come and go 01:26:43.440 --> 01:26:45.736 that may mean that they can have a 01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:48.760 certain level of activity but do not 01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:51.256 achieve that that level that is deal 01:26:51.280 --> 01:26:54.280 with with disabled spots can be 01:26:54.320 --> 01:26:56.456 sufficiently disabled that they couldn't 01:26:56.480 --> 01:26:58.776 walk from Aldi down the hill and up the 01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:01.800 hill to go down to the news agent, but 01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:05.159 yet the government doesn't see them as 01:27:05.360 --> 01:27:07.736 fitting into this tight criteria for 01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:10.695 mobility spots. So, I just want to say 01:27:10.719 --> 01:27:13.256 when we look at our the profile of the 01:27:13.280 --> 01:27:15.736 of the people, we are dealing there and 01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:17.976 I could give exact personal examples 01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:19.816 about this, but I don't think it's 01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:21.655 necessary. When we are looking at the 01:27:21.679 --> 01:27:23.496 profile of the people who do go to 01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:26.135 Mimula, who do rely on going to the 01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:28.215 local news agents or whatever, they're a 01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:30.456 little bit careful that we don't pigeon 01:27:30.480 --> 01:27:33.480 hole everybody as a a mobility person or 01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:36.376 a an athlete that we have a whole lot of 01:27:36.400 --> 01:27:38.856 area in the middle. And I just like us 01:27:38.880 --> 01:27:40.776 to make sure that we do have 01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:42.936 satisfactory car parking. So that's why 01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:44.776 I'm supporting the motion. Thank you. 01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:47.800 Thanks, Council Porter. Speaker against 01:27:48.080 --> 01:27:50.936 councelor Daly. I'll just speak briefly 01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:53.960 against um councelor Niden points out 01:27:54.480 --> 01:27:57.256 that it's been a long road with various 01:27:57.280 --> 01:27:59.736 assessments and reports around how 01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:01.896 we're going to change proposed to change 01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:04.920 the marula CBD and even prior to today 01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:07.736 councelor Nadin has has pointed out you 01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:09.816 know we've been working on the these 01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:11.816 changes to the CBD for years and years 01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:14.615 and years we were at a point where we 01:28:14.639 --> 01:28:17.639 were looking at potential trial for 01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:20.215 different changes which included you 01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:22.936 know monitoring of traffic flows before, 01:28:22.960 --> 01:28:24.936 during and after those change that that 01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:27.960 proposed trial. We had a workshop where 01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:31.000 we went you know street by street just 01:28:31.280 --> 01:28:34.135 about corner by corner with different 01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:36.135 considerations, different counselors 01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:39.159 putting um suggestions forward for that. 01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:41.416 So the original plan there has already 01:28:41.440 --> 01:28:44.440 been perhaps diluted in its potential um 01:28:44.639 --> 01:28:47.639 effectiveness. Um and and there's been 01:28:50.400 --> 01:28:52.776 a number of different pedestrian 01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:55.800 friendly sort of measures included. Um, 01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:58.840 I am skeptical that after all that work, 01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:00.936 we start to go down the path of a 01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:03.816 multi-story car park that those the 01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:05.256 trials that we was talking about 01:29:05.280 --> 01:29:07.576 implementing suddenly are invalidated 01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:09.736 because it's not the same CBD that those 01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:12.760 trials were set up to um to accommodate. 01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:15.736 You've got way more cars, way more 01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:18.760 people. Um, and I there's also the 01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:20.615 consideration of cost. So, I just don't 01:29:20.639 --> 01:29:22.615 know that going down this path, you 01:29:22.639 --> 01:29:25.016 know, and and this doing a a quick 01:29:25.040 --> 01:29:27.336 Google on a multi-story car park. Cost 01:29:27.360 --> 01:29:29.496 per space could be anywhere up to 01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:32.520 50,000. Now, I'm no parking expert, but 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:34.615 up from that, um, so what are we looking 01:29:34.639 --> 01:29:36.936 at? 5 million, $10 million for a 01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:39.016 cashstrapped council and a resourced 01:29:39.040 --> 01:29:41.655 council. Um I'm just not sure that it's 01:29:41.679 --> 01:29:44.536 worth pursuing this when we're already 01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:47.560 looking at trying to do um a trial of 01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:50.456 changing the marula CBD while we are 01:29:50.480 --> 01:29:52.615 then throwing considering throwing a 01:29:52.639 --> 01:29:54.296 multi-story car park in which goes 01:29:54.320 --> 01:29:56.215 against the nature of that trial. 01:29:56.239 --> 01:29:58.615 just doesn't make sense to me. 01:29:58.639 --> 01:30:01.096 Thanks speaker Paul. 01:30:01.120 --> 01:30:04.120 Speaker four. Any other speaker four 01:30:04.480 --> 01:30:05.256 against 01:30:05.280 --> 01:30:05.816 against? 01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:08.456 Yeah. 01:30:08.480 --> 01:30:09.976 Two 42 against but I need another 01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:11.175 speaker four before I can provide 01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:12.536 another one against there's no other 01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:14.776 speaker for council I'll give you right 01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:15.896 reply. 01:30:15.920 --> 01:30:18.056 Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um yeah look just 01:30:18.080 --> 01:30:20.936 to clarify here this is for noting 01:30:20.960 --> 01:30:23.960 councelor daily that the direction of 01:30:24.320 --> 01:30:27.320 the CBD master plan was to reallocate 01:30:28.400 --> 01:30:31.400 those car spots that we taketh away. 01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:33.976 So the plan that you had the other day 01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:36.456 the presentation that you were given was 01:30:36.480 --> 01:30:39.480 going to take away about 50 car spaces. 01:30:40.400 --> 01:30:43.400 Now that's something that you is if 01:30:44.080 --> 01:30:45.816 you're comfortable to go out to the 01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:48.135 community order. Councilwoman, 01:30:48.159 --> 01:30:51.159 the motion. 01:30:52.080 --> 01:30:53.976 I I'll need your guidance on this. 01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:55.496 I I'll need your guidance on this, Mr. 01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:58.520 Mayor. Just a technical point. I thought 01:30:58.639 --> 01:31:00.456 we were committed to upgrading the 01:31:00.480 --> 01:31:03.480 master plan from the 2015 one to a new 01:31:04.480 --> 01:31:07.480 one. So, so that the motion reference to 01:31:07.679 --> 01:31:09.736 the master plan is incorrect. 01:31:09.760 --> 01:31:11.175 Point of order. 01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:11.496 Sorry. 01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:12.376 Point of order, council. 01:31:12.400 --> 01:31:13.976 Point of order. So, we we heard earlier 01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:15.496 from the director through you, Mr. 01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:16.615 Mayor. We heard earlier from the 01:31:16.639 --> 01:31:19.016 director that that it wouldn't be 01:31:19.040 --> 01:31:21.175 anywhere near 50. There's a loss of car 01:31:21.199 --> 01:31:24.199 park spaces. So just to clarif 01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:28.215 um I have a an email from the CEO that 01:31:28.239 --> 01:31:31.239 it was about 50. So um we've got a plan 01:31:32.320 --> 01:31:35.320 put to us by staff at the moment that 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:38.376 we're going to reduce that previous 01:31:38.400 --> 01:31:40.376 plan. And yes, I know we've taken issue 01:31:40.400 --> 01:31:42.135 with it now. We've taken issue with it. 01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:43.655 We've sent it back to the drawing board 01:31:43.679 --> 01:31:45.496 and we said we're not going to pursue 01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:47.896 this plan. It would have taken away 50 01:31:47.920 --> 01:31:50.920 car spaces. Now, what I'm suggesting 01:31:51.360 --> 01:31:53.816 here, councelor Daily, I'm not sure why 01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:55.576 this is confusing. What I'm suggesting 01:31:55.600 --> 01:31:57.496 is while staff go back to the drawing 01:31:57.520 --> 01:32:00.215 board and they're looking at a revised 01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:02.856 plan to bring back to council that they 01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:05.880 take note of this that they need to look 01:32:06.080 --> 01:32:07.576 have a plan. It doesn't mean we don't 01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:09.336 need to get, as Council Porter said, a 01:32:09.360 --> 01:32:10.695 little picss out and start cutting 01:32:10.719 --> 01:32:13.336 checks for tiered parking. It just means 01:32:13.360 --> 01:32:15.816 that they need to be conscious that at 01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:18.376 this point in time, we have said we want 01:32:18.400 --> 01:32:20.456 them to relocate those car parks to 01:32:20.480 --> 01:32:22.536 somewhere else because those car parks 01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:24.296 are needed for the town. I'm not talking 01:32:24.320 --> 01:32:26.615 about hundreds of car parks. I'm talking 01:32:26.639 --> 01:32:29.639 about dozens of car parks to replace the 01:32:30.400 --> 01:32:33.016 ones that we take away. Now, let's just 01:32:33.040 --> 01:32:34.536 say that they come back to us with a 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:37.336 lovely plan that has zero loss of car 01:32:37.360 --> 01:32:40.215 parking. Well, then this is a completely 01:32:40.239 --> 01:32:42.215 moot point. We won't need to look at 01:32:42.239 --> 01:32:43.896 anything else. We won't need to look at 01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:46.615 extra um at tiered car parking because 01:32:46.639 --> 01:32:49.016 there won't be a net loss. 01:32:49.040 --> 01:32:51.336 So, I think it's really important that 01:32:51.360 --> 01:32:53.256 people acknowledge what what I'm trying 01:32:53.280 --> 01:32:55.336 to get at here. We're going through a 01:32:55.360 --> 01:32:58.360 process at the moment of essentially 01:32:58.719 --> 01:33:01.719 sculpting a new parking and traffic plan 01:33:02.400 --> 01:33:05.400 for the town and all indications over 01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:07.816 the years have said that there will be a 01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:09.816 reduction in parking. Now, if you are 01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:11.576 okay with that, I understand council 01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:12.856 Hager's point. He has a different 01:33:12.880 --> 01:33:14.936 worldview than than me, so that that's 01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:17.736 fine. I I I take that point. Um, but if 01:33:17.760 --> 01:33:20.215 you're okay with a reduction in parking 01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:23.016 for one of our main tourist towns, then 01:33:23.040 --> 01:33:25.976 fine. Say it loud and proud because I 01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:27.655 know that I will be saying it loud and 01:33:27.679 --> 01:33:30.296 proud as well. But I know the challenges 01:33:30.320 --> 01:33:33.016 this area has with its economy and its 01:33:33.040 --> 01:33:34.376 businesses. I know that they need 01:33:34.400 --> 01:33:36.536 parking. I know the challenges that we 01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:39.336 have with a lack of public transport in 01:33:39.360 --> 01:33:41.256 this area. You can't just get on a happy 01:33:41.280 --> 01:33:43.256 little bus and and head into town. We 01:33:43.280 --> 01:33:46.280 are a car driving area. We need car 01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:49.175 spaces so that we can park in town 01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:51.256 because if we don't, we will just go to 01:33:51.280 --> 01:33:53.256 another town that does have proper 01:33:53.280 --> 01:33:56.215 parking. Um, and I know that we have 01:33:56.239 --> 01:33:59.016 challenges around mobility in this 01:33:59.040 --> 01:34:00.536 shire. 01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:02.615 And that's what this is saying. We're 01:34:02.639 --> 01:34:05.096 saying that we acknowledge all of that 01:34:05.120 --> 01:34:07.016 and that we're saying to the public and 01:34:07.040 --> 01:34:08.776 the business community that we 01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:10.776 acknowledge all that and we will do our 01:34:10.800 --> 01:34:13.016 best to neutralize the impact of those 01:34:13.040 --> 01:34:16.040 of of of these upgrades. Thank you. 01:34:22.719 --> 01:34:24.936 I'll put the motion, but I would have 01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:26.296 loved to have the opportunity to reply 01:34:26.320 --> 01:34:27.576 to a few of the things you've said 01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:29.976 there, but anyway, just the code of 01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:31.416 medium practice doesn't allow me to do 01:34:31.440 --> 01:34:33.336 that. So I can't do it. Put the motion. 01:34:33.360 --> 01:34:35.416 All those in favor 01:34:35.440 --> 01:34:38.440 council Porter, councelor Noa, councelor 01:34:38.639 --> 01:34:40.776 Nadin, those against. Councelor Hager, 01:34:40.800 --> 01:34:42.536 council Allen, Council Fpatrick, Council 01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:45.256 New Council Dalia, Councelor Daly. The 01:34:45.280 --> 01:34:47.096 motion's lost. 01:34:47.120 --> 01:34:50.120 Item 14.3 C bridge design a new council 01:34:52.560 --> 01:34:55.560 daily. Your motion have a second council 01:34:59.440 --> 01:35:01.256 council. Any questions to the CEO? or 01:35:01.280 --> 01:35:02.856 anyone about the motion to start with 01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:05.256 council Hag 01:35:05.280 --> 01:35:06.856 the CEO and the director through you Mr. 01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:09.880 Mayor um I've discussed bridge timbers 01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:11.976 with the pre with um Andrew's 01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:14.296 predecessor and other staff and there 01:35:14.320 --> 01:35:17.320 was some concern about um health and the 01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:19.256 chemicals that are used to treat those 01:35:19.280 --> 01:35:21.096 timbers. I wonder whether that is an 01:35:21.120 --> 01:35:24.120 issue here 01:35:25.040 --> 01:35:27.576 through Mr. where there is potential and 01:35:27.600 --> 01:35:29.175 I think part of what we would do in 01:35:29.199 --> 01:35:30.615 implementing this is understand what 01:35:30.639 --> 01:35:32.936 timber might be available 01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:34.376 whether there's any work health and 01:35:34.400 --> 01:35:36.296 safety related or public safety 01:35:36.320 --> 01:35:38.456 constraints with associated with using 01:35:38.480 --> 01:35:41.480 the timber as described and in addition 01:35:42.320 --> 01:35:44.056 to that also understanding out of the 01:35:44.080 --> 01:35:46.376 timber what might be salvageable for 01:35:46.400 --> 01:35:48.615 reuse and 01:35:48.639 --> 01:35:50.695 what I'm alluding to here is sometimes 01:35:50.719 --> 01:35:53.655 with timber bridges superficially they 01:35:53.679 --> 01:35:55.016 can look like there's a good piece of 01:35:55.040 --> 01:35:55.976 timber 01:35:56.000 --> 01:35:58.296 But timber rots from the inside out. So 01:35:58.320 --> 01:36:00.936 even um sort of an external inspection 01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:02.135 might make you think there's more timber 01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:03.576 available to do something with. So there 01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:06.135 would be a lot of work in understanding 01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:08.056 exactly what compoNadints could be used 01:36:08.080 --> 01:36:10.056 and in what way, but I wouldn't be 01:36:10.080 --> 01:36:12.376 concerned that they aren't things that 01:36:12.400 --> 01:36:13.816 couldn't be worked through if this 01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:15.655 motion did get supported. 01:36:15.679 --> 01:36:17.816 Thanks for sir. Okay. Can I just ask a 01:36:17.840 --> 01:36:18.936 question around our current timber 01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:21.576 policy? Obviously over the last 3 years 01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:23.175 we've replaced only like 13 timber 01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:25.096 bridges. What's the policy been with the 01:36:25.120 --> 01:36:26.536 timber from those bridges and do we 01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:29.560 bring them into our workshops for reuse 01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:32.296 under our policy? 01:36:32.320 --> 01:36:35.320 So through Mr. Mayor, um we we don't 01:36:35.840 --> 01:36:38.056 have a policy. We have a operating 01:36:38.080 --> 01:36:41.080 practice of trying to reuse 01:36:41.840 --> 01:36:43.496 materials wherever we can, recycle, 01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:45.016 reuse wherever we can. We don't have a 01:36:45.040 --> 01:36:47.175 policy on what we do with timber. We 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:49.256 have typically in the past though tried 01:36:49.280 --> 01:36:52.280 to salvage timber for reuse in 01:36:53.040 --> 01:36:56.040 structures where where it's feasible to 01:36:56.080 --> 01:36:58.536 do so. And again in assessing a a bridge 01:36:58.560 --> 01:36:59.976 like this it's got a lot of timber in 01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:01.576 it. Some of it might be of value to 01:37:01.600 --> 01:37:03.576 reuse for 01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:05.175 repairing other bridges and some of it 01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:08.135 may not and be more usable for things 01:37:08.159 --> 01:37:09.896 like what's suggested here. So I guess 01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:11.016 what I'm saying is we don't have a clear 01:37:11.040 --> 01:37:12.695 policy position. And if council gave us 01:37:12.719 --> 01:37:15.416 direction to say we want to reuse this 01:37:15.440 --> 01:37:16.936 timber in a different way to what you 01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:18.615 typically do as staff then we can 01:37:18.639 --> 01:37:19.655 accommodate that. 01:37:19.679 --> 01:37:21.736 So can I use the Marab Brian bridge for 01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:23.496 example the one opposite the Kbago pub 01:37:23.520 --> 01:37:25.416 that's just been replaced the timbers 01:37:25.440 --> 01:37:28.056 there was that part of the contract um 01:37:28.080 --> 01:37:30.456 to build the new bridge and the cost was 01:37:30.480 --> 01:37:31.896 built into the contract to remove the 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:33.816 existing structure and would this 01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:36.215 contract be similar 01:37:36.239 --> 01:37:37.736 through Mr. May I'd have to take on 01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:39.175 notice exactly what we did with the 01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:40.615 timber in that project. What I can talk 01:37:40.639 --> 01:37:42.615 about is what we might typically do with 01:37:42.639 --> 01:37:45.639 projects where we are renewing timber 01:37:45.679 --> 01:37:47.976 bridges or replacing them. In some 01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:49.896 circumstances, we might get more 01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:52.920 specific and say that as part of the 01:37:53.440 --> 01:37:55.976 demolition process, we want timber 01:37:56.000 --> 01:37:57.976 salvaged and returned to council that we 01:37:58.000 --> 01:37:59.416 might have identified. There might be 01:37:59.440 --> 01:38:01.976 other cases where we say 01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:04.856 full disposal is up to the contractor 01:38:04.880 --> 01:38:07.655 and then they may um dispose of some of 01:38:07.679 --> 01:38:10.679 it through um 01:38:11.600 --> 01:38:13.576 more waste disposal if it's not worth 01:38:13.600 --> 01:38:15.976 salvaging or they may say sell it into 01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:17.256 other markets and I've certainly 01:38:17.280 --> 01:38:19.976 experienced in the past 01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:23.000 timber being resold after a bridge 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:25.655 has been timber bridge has been 01:38:25.679 --> 01:38:28.615 decommissioned at quite high value for 01:38:28.639 --> 01:38:31.639 architectural um purposes. So there is a 01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:33.976 value associated with good quality 01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:35.976 hardwood timber that's aged like some of 01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:38.135 this is. But at the same time till you 01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:39.896 really understand the quality it's it's 01:38:39.920 --> 01:38:41.655 unclear because what I'm alluding to is 01:38:41.679 --> 01:38:43.655 there's flexibility in solutions. I 01:38:43.679 --> 01:38:45.256 can't recall exactly what we did on that 01:38:45.280 --> 01:38:47.736 project but over time we'll have a 01:38:47.760 --> 01:38:50.456 mixture of what we've done with timber. 01:38:50.480 --> 01:38:52.615 So my next question basically relates to 01:38:52.639 --> 01:38:54.135 actually that timber the national 01:38:54.159 --> 01:38:56.536 circularity center must be built on 90% 01:38:56.560 --> 01:38:59.496 or 80% recycled materials and I know 01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:01.256 they were chasing timber at some stages. 01:39:01.280 --> 01:39:03.175 Do you know whether they've actually got 01:39:03.199 --> 01:39:05.576 enough timber to build the process that 01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:06.936 they wanted? 01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:08.936 True, Mr. Mayor. I'm not completely sure 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:10.695 whether they've been able to source all 01:39:10.719 --> 01:39:12.615 of the um hardwood timber they were 01:39:12.639 --> 01:39:14.215 chasing for their development. do know 01:39:14.239 --> 01:39:15.576 that they have inquired with us 01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:17.256 previously though about trying to source 01:39:17.280 --> 01:39:19.976 some or see whether council had any 01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:21.416 surplus timber they might be able to 01:39:21.440 --> 01:39:24.296 access. Our response to date had been 01:39:24.320 --> 01:39:26.376 not really no because we were reusing 01:39:26.400 --> 01:39:28.776 for our own purposes any timber that was 01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:31.800 of use and the answer with cuty bridge 01:39:31.920 --> 01:39:33.816 had been we can't commit to a time frame 01:39:33.840 --> 01:39:36.215 yet anyway even if we were going to be 01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:38.135 able to offer that for use at that 01:39:38.159 --> 01:39:40.936 location and they are moving along with 01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:43.095 that project as far as I'm aware that 01:39:43.119 --> 01:39:45.736 may mean the timing of cottagey 01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:47.655 demolition would be too late for their 01:39:47.679 --> 01:39:48.695 use anyway 01:39:48.719 --> 01:39:50.936 thank you else any further questions 01:39:50.960 --> 01:39:53.016 before I hand the motion Council Daly. 01:39:53.040 --> 01:39:54.376 No further questions. Councelor Daly, 01:39:54.400 --> 01:39:55.976 your motion. 01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:58.456 Thanks, Mr. Mayor. , this motion 01:39:58.480 --> 01:40:01.480 really is to make the most of the sal 01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:04.215 salvageable timber from Kadiy Bridge. 01:40:04.239 --> 01:40:06.695 Um, our DCP, as it says there, , 01:40:06.719 --> 01:40:08.456 requires a management plan to be 01:40:08.480 --> 01:40:10.135 developed when there's a demolition of 01:40:10.159 --> 01:40:13.159 an asset. Um, and as was mentioned by, 01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:17.000 , the CEO, there's there's, you know, 01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:19.736 instances in which that timber is 01:40:19.760 --> 01:40:22.760 auctioned off. Um, and I think we have 01:40:23.520 --> 01:40:25.576 an asset here. We've made our the 01:40:25.600 --> 01:40:27.336 decision has been made by council for 01:40:27.360 --> 01:40:30.360 what the new bridge will be. Um, let's 01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:33.016 take the opportunity to get a report 01:40:33.040 --> 01:40:35.175 back from staff and make the most of 01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:37.816 that timber. And I I hear us talking a 01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:40.376 lot about um 01:40:40.400 --> 01:40:41.976 what what will be done with that 01:40:42.000 --> 01:40:44.936 timber in terms of um being whether it's 01:40:44.960 --> 01:40:47.016 the developer who wants to retain it or 01:40:47.040 --> 01:40:49.256 where how we retain it. But given it's a 01:40:49.280 --> 01:40:51.095 such a community asset, taking an 01:40:51.119 --> 01:40:53.175 opportunity to get a report back around 01:40:53.199 --> 01:40:55.095 how it could be used for aesthetic 01:40:55.119 --> 01:40:57.095 purposes and signage as well as possibly 01:40:57.119 --> 01:41:00.119 public art. Um, , whether that's 01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:02.056 information boards as well, seating 01:41:02.080 --> 01:41:04.695 around the cottage precinct, I think is 01:41:04.719 --> 01:41:06.856 is really important here. It's not just 01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:08.296 a case of well once the bridge is 01:41:08.320 --> 01:41:09.976 demolished, who's where's the timber go, 01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:11.736 who looks after it, who sells it on. 01:41:11.760 --> 01:41:13.496 There's the community aspect and the 01:41:13.520 --> 01:41:16.520 people around the around Kadaji Barraay 01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:19.960 Bagui were very very clear on their 01:41:20.080 --> 01:41:22.056 attachment to the bridge that was that's 01:41:22.080 --> 01:41:25.080 been um made clear through community 01:41:25.360 --> 01:41:27.175 groups and through the surveys. So 01:41:27.199 --> 01:41:29.175 really what I'm looking for here is that 01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:31.256 we take the time to consider how it's 01:41:31.280 --> 01:41:33.016 best used. And something that's not 01:41:33.040 --> 01:41:34.695 included in the notice of motion, but I 01:41:34.719 --> 01:41:37.175 hope would be considered for um the 01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:40.199 report back is also if if we can 01:41:40.239 --> 01:41:41.896 identify that there's a a significant 01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:44.056 amount significant amount of salvageable 01:41:44.080 --> 01:41:46.615 timber, we use it for those aesthetic 01:41:46.639 --> 01:41:49.639 purposes um and there's still a a 01:41:50.960 --> 01:41:52.936 fair amount left that council might be 01:41:52.960 --> 01:41:55.896 in a position to um have that auctioned 01:41:55.920 --> 01:41:58.456 off and potentially use the funds. And 01:41:58.480 --> 01:42:01.480 this is just ana an example, but to help 01:42:02.080 --> 01:42:05.080 fund that Barra Bay Kadagi Road precinct 01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:07.976 study that councelor Hagar has mentioned 01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:11.000 before, we're dealing with the bridge um 01:42:11.760 --> 01:42:13.736 and it needs to be addressed. But that 01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:16.760 whole precinct um is under threat from 01:42:17.040 --> 01:42:19.896 coastal inundation. if there's 01:42:19.920 --> 01:42:21.576 water going across the road getting into 01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:23.655 residential properties. There's a whole 01:42:23.679 --> 01:42:25.736 range of things there where you know if 01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:28.760 that road fails um what the impacts 01:42:28.880 --> 01:42:31.016 potential impacts are I know there's a 01:42:31.040 --> 01:42:32.536 small amount of funding um in the 01:42:32.560 --> 01:42:35.560 funding deed put aside for the bridge 01:42:37.119 --> 01:42:38.856 approaches I think for a study around 01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:41.496 the bridge approaches but it's it's a 01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:43.336 potential way that we can actually fund 01:42:43.360 --> 01:42:45.416 a more detailed um study for the 01:42:45.440 --> 01:42:48.440 precinct. So, um it's it's really just a 01:42:49.040 --> 01:42:50.695 report back. It aligns with what we 01:42:50.719 --> 01:42:53.719 already do within the DCP. Um and just 01:42:54.080 --> 01:42:56.695 gives us a chance to say, you know, um 01:42:56.719 --> 01:42:58.615 what happens to Cottagey Bridge once 01:42:58.639 --> 01:43:01.336 it's gone and and how it might be um the 01:43:01.360 --> 01:43:03.095 timbers be best used and the sale of 01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:05.416 those timbers potentially best used. So, 01:43:05.440 --> 01:43:07.576 I would encourage you very strongly um 01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:10.600 to vote for the motion. Thank you. 01:43:10.639 --> 01:43:13.639 Thanks. Speaker against 01:43:15.199 --> 01:43:18.199 speaker for second speaker for council. 01:43:19.280 --> 01:43:21.816 Um I I like this motion not only because 01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:24.840 of the good reuse of of timber but also 01:43:25.360 --> 01:43:27.256 to the point that councelor Daly made 01:43:27.280 --> 01:43:30.056 about the precinct around here. Um we're 01:43:30.080 --> 01:43:32.456 losing an enormous asset. It's of 01:43:32.480 --> 01:43:34.376 aesthetic value but it's also the basis 01:43:34.400 --> 01:43:37.256 for people's use of the area. And this 01:43:37.280 --> 01:43:38.695 is the sort of issue that should be 01:43:38.719 --> 01:43:40.456 coming up in the detailed designing 01:43:40.480 --> 01:43:42.056 process. 01:43:42.080 --> 01:43:44.615 Um 01:43:44.639 --> 01:43:47.639 there's a if we have a 12.5 m wide 01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:50.776 bridge across there, it fundamentally 01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:53.256 changes people's use of the area. 01:43:53.280 --> 01:43:55.095 anything that can actually sort of 01:43:55.119 --> 01:43:58.056 improve a access, make it a good reason 01:43:58.080 --> 01:44:00.536 to work out whatever way you all will 01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:03.175 have to get to the lake with a 12.5 01:44:03.199 --> 01:44:05.896 meter wide concrete bridge is definitely 01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:08.376 worth looking at. Um, and it very much, 01:44:08.400 --> 01:44:11.336 as councelor Daly says, goes to the 01:44:11.360 --> 01:44:13.256 point that the community is losing 01:44:13.280 --> 01:44:14.615 something that it's been an integral 01:44:14.639 --> 01:44:17.639 part of the landscape um, since 1890. So 01:44:19.199 --> 01:44:20.776 we should actually treat that with 01:44:20.800 --> 01:44:23.800 respect and see what we can to keep the 01:44:23.840 --> 01:44:25.655 heritage of it. 01:44:25.679 --> 01:44:27.976 Thanks C. Now I'll just briefly speak 01:44:28.000 --> 01:44:30.376 against it then just to give council 01:44:30.400 --> 01:44:33.175 daily a write a reply. Um I think 01:44:33.199 --> 01:44:35.256 sometimes this ends up bigger than Ben 01:44:35.280 --> 01:44:37.336 her these sort of issues and I I commend 01:44:37.360 --> 01:44:39.736 him on having his motion to you know try 01:44:39.760 --> 01:44:41.336 and do something to satisfy the 01:44:41.360 --> 01:44:44.056 community. But we also tried to do that 01:44:44.080 --> 01:44:46.215 in a bridge. I think it was had initials 01:44:46.239 --> 01:44:48.215 PP and those that have been here long 01:44:48.239 --> 01:44:50.936 enough and went through that trials and 01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:53.960 tri council and aid and laughing counc 01:44:56.560 --> 01:44:58.856 and where we saved some trusses and put 01:44:58.880 --> 01:45:00.056 them on the side of the road and said 01:45:00.080 --> 01:45:01.256 they're going to be attached. Well, 01:45:01.280 --> 01:45:02.936 today they're still sitting in the 01:45:02.960 --> 01:45:05.655 paddic. They're rotting and nothing's 01:45:05.679 --> 01:45:08.456 happening. So, that's no fault. That's 01:45:08.480 --> 01:45:09.976 just the way it ended up. So, I'm always 01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:11.896 weary when we say we're going to do this 01:45:11.920 --> 01:45:14.536 and do that. um we should be actually 01:45:14.560 --> 01:45:16.615 getting the design and the tender out to 01:45:16.639 --> 01:45:18.296 start with for the bridge and then 01:45:18.320 --> 01:45:20.376 deciding if this is an option then 01:45:20.400 --> 01:45:22.376 that's my personal opinion. I fully 01:45:22.400 --> 01:45:23.896 compliment councelor Daly. I'm not 01:45:23.920 --> 01:45:25.336 trying to argue the point with you over 01:45:25.360 --> 01:45:27.736 anything here. Um that's just my 01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:29.256 personal opinion how we should take go 01:45:29.280 --> 01:45:31.016 about it. So thank you councelor Daly 01:45:31.040 --> 01:45:32.695 for your motion. Councelor Daly you're 01:45:32.719 --> 01:45:34.135 right reply. 01:45:34.159 --> 01:45:37.159 only to say Mr. Mayor, I note um the 01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:40.215 complexities with Prep Point Bridge 01:45:40.239 --> 01:45:43.239 and that the buses are remain in place. 01:45:43.280 --> 01:45:45.976 I guess the staff report gives us the 01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:49.000 opportunity to in advance to say whether 01:45:49.199 --> 01:45:50.695 or not the timber is usable, 01:45:50.719 --> 01:45:52.296 salvageable, and if it isn't, well, 01:45:52.320 --> 01:45:53.655 we're not going to retain it and let it 01:45:53.679 --> 01:45:55.976 rot in a yard. It will be disposed of as 01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:58.215 per whatever contract there is. But if 01:45:58.239 --> 01:46:00.856 it is salvageable and retainable, we 01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:03.496 have the opportunity to use it or sell 01:46:03.520 --> 01:46:06.056 it and make some money from it. I can I 01:46:06.080 --> 01:46:08.936 can't see hopefully that it would be 01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:10.615 rotting away in a yard like those 01:46:10.639 --> 01:46:11.336 trusses. 01:46:11.360 --> 01:46:12.856 Thanks councelor Darling. All those in 01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:14.376 favor of councelor Daly's motion, 01:46:14.400 --> 01:46:16.536 councelor Hager, councelor New Council 01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:18.776 Dalia, councelor Daly, those against, 01:46:18.800 --> 01:46:20.296 councelor Porter, councelor Allen, 01:46:20.320 --> 01:46:22.056 councelor Noble, councelor Fitzpatrick, 01:46:22.080 --> 01:46:25.080 councelor Nade, and the motion's lost. 01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:28.376 Christians with notice, I sent one in. I 01:46:28.400 --> 01:46:31.336 copied counselors in around repairs. 01:46:31.360 --> 01:46:32.376 Miss Harrison, I don't know whether 01:46:32.400 --> 01:46:33.896 you've had a chance to go through that 01:46:33.920 --> 01:46:36.920 yet in relation to Boytown and um severe 01:46:37.679 --> 01:46:39.576 scarring of the waterfront area and the 01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:42.215 landscape in front of the seahorse in um 01:46:42.239 --> 01:46:43.816 did you want to take that on notice? 01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:45.976 T man, just to clarify that that is 01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:47.655 still considered a question without 01:46:47.679 --> 01:46:49.496 notice because it came in after our 01:46:49.520 --> 01:46:52.520 deadline for questions with notice. 01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:55.960 Miss 01:46:56.000 --> 01:46:57.816 through Mr. Mayor. Yes, I can provide 01:46:57.840 --> 01:46:59.416 some information to councilors and the 01:46:59.440 --> 01:47:01.976 community on what's happening there. 01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:05.000 so the boy there is erosion um at 01:47:05.840 --> 01:47:07.736 Boydtown Beach that's impacting the June 01:47:07.760 --> 01:47:10.760 and Reserve area seaworse in and it has 01:47:11.119 --> 01:47:13.496 been worsening over recent years. the 01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:15.416 erosion has occurred as a result of both 01:47:15.440 --> 01:47:18.215 ocean storm wave impact meandering of 01:47:18.239 --> 01:47:21.016 Boydtown Creek, major flash flood events 01:47:21.040 --> 01:47:22.776 and the lack of June vegetation in the 01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:25.496 area. the erosion has seen the 01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:27.416 significant landwood retreat of the June 01:47:27.440 --> 01:47:29.976 face an erosion scarp which is impacting 01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:31.736 access to the beach from the seahorse in 01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:33.496 area and creating hazards due to the 01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:35.976 size of the scarf at different times. 01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:37.655 council's environment team has been 01:47:37.679 --> 01:47:39.496 leazing with the managers of the boytown 01:47:39.520 --> 01:47:41.496 property for some time now to determine 01:47:41.520 --> 01:47:43.736 appropriate solutions for the site. We 01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:45.175 have also been negotiating with 01:47:45.199 --> 01:47:47.095 fisheries regarding approval to 01:47:47.119 --> 01:47:48.936 undertake works in the creek entrance 01:47:48.960 --> 01:47:51.960 and realign the entrance southward. 01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:53.736 staff have recently completed a review 01:47:53.760 --> 01:47:55.816 of environmental factors to allow for 01:47:55.840 --> 01:47:57.976 beach scraping and sand nourishment as a 01:47:58.000 --> 01:47:59.976 low impact response to the beach erosion 01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:02.296 issues across the shire including here 01:48:02.320 --> 01:48:05.095 at Boydtown Beach. that RAF was 01:48:05.119 --> 01:48:06.615 submitted to Crownlands for owner's 01:48:06.639 --> 01:48:09.175 consent and to seek a license to cover 01:48:09.199 --> 01:48:12.056 the works. Boytown Beach will be the 01:48:12.080 --> 01:48:14.296 first site at which works will occur. Um 01:48:14.320 --> 01:48:16.695 and and at that site will include beach 01:48:16.719 --> 01:48:19.496 scraping, June shaping, creek entrance 01:48:19.520 --> 01:48:22.296 realignment, June re reveitation and 01:48:22.320 --> 01:48:24.695 temporary fencing if the license is 01:48:24.719 --> 01:48:27.016 approved. Um and it's hoped that works 01:48:27.040 --> 01:48:29.496 will commence this financial year 01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:31.256 following receipt of crown land and 01:48:31.280 --> 01:48:33.496 fisheries approvals. 01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:35.976 Thank you. Other questions without 01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:37.816 notice counselors? I have a couple more. 01:48:37.840 --> 01:48:40.840 Um yes, 01:48:41.199 --> 01:48:44.199 I have one. Um just in relation to 01:48:44.400 --> 01:48:46.615 the bigra road and I'm quite happy for 01:48:46.639 --> 01:48:48.776 you to take this on notice if necessary 01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:51.800 with regard to the big road um and 01:48:51.840 --> 01:48:54.456 particularly the section across Jilla 01:48:54.480 --> 01:48:57.095 Flats um this road used to be the Snowy 01:48:57.119 --> 01:48:59.016 Mountains Highway and was handed over 01:48:59.040 --> 01:49:01.416 from the state a number of years ago but 01:49:01.440 --> 01:49:03.576 the section particularly across Jilla 01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:06.296 Flat um I have received a lot of 01:49:06.320 --> 01:49:08.376 complaints about and a lot of the 01:49:08.400 --> 01:49:09.976 community are concerned about the 01:49:10.000 --> 01:49:11.736 appalling state it's 01:49:11.760 --> 01:49:14.296 Um I'm aware it's quite different to 01:49:14.320 --> 01:49:17.016 other roads. Um but appreciate council 01:49:17.040 --> 01:49:19.175 letting us know um what could be done 01:49:19.199 --> 01:49:20.936 and what's the likely time frame for 01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:23.736 that road to be repaired or replaced 01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:24.936 etc. 01:49:24.960 --> 01:49:27.960 Yes. We'll take that on notice. I will 01:49:28.000 --> 01:49:30.536 say that we do have some plans coming up 01:49:30.560 --> 01:49:32.456 but we'll come back publicly with the 01:49:32.480 --> 01:49:35.480 detail on what those plans are and and a 01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:37.976 bit of an explanation on why the road is 01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:41.000 the way it is there. Any 01:49:41.440 --> 01:49:42.615 other questions? I have one more 01:49:42.639 --> 01:49:44.695 question but anyone else? No other 01:49:44.719 --> 01:49:46.776 questions. I'll just one question to the 01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:49.800 CEO relates um in council's motion 01:49:50.239 --> 01:49:52.936 today. He spoke about the 2015 plans and 01:49:52.960 --> 01:49:55.576 spire plans. In 2016, council had a 01:49:55.600 --> 01:49:57.496 report showing the number of car pass 01:49:57.520 --> 01:49:59.016 parks done by the then director of 01:49:59.040 --> 01:50:00.856 business strategy that actually said 01:50:00.880 --> 01:50:03.175 that we had over 200 surplus car parks 01:50:03.199 --> 01:50:04.536 although the location of them wasn't 01:50:04.560 --> 01:50:06.936 ideal around Mimula. Can you can you 01:50:06.960 --> 01:50:09.095 answer as to if there's any been any 01:50:09.119 --> 01:50:11.016 increase in the maringa CBD since the 01:50:11.040 --> 01:50:13.655 2015 master plan and also how the Robert 01:50:13.679 --> 01:50:15.016 Green development that's been approved 01:50:15.040 --> 01:50:17.175 by council will impact on car parking in 01:50:17.199 --> 01:50:20.199 the area? 01:50:22.639 --> 01:50:24.135 No. 01:50:24.159 --> 01:50:25.576 No, it's not approved. 01:50:25.600 --> 01:50:26.615 The um 01:50:26.639 --> 01:50:29.016 yeah, sorry, not approved. The planning 01:50:29.040 --> 01:50:30.215 application has not been 01:50:30.239 --> 01:50:33.239 approved to council yet. 01:50:34.639 --> 01:50:37.639 So back to the back to the mayor's 01:50:38.960 --> 01:50:41.896 multiart question. Um 01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:44.135 the answer is there has been things done 01:50:44.159 --> 01:50:46.456 and we will bring back what has been 01:50:46.480 --> 01:50:49.336 done since the 2015 master plan. Just as 01:50:49.360 --> 01:50:51.496 an indication, 01:50:51.520 --> 01:50:53.175 there are some major developments that 01:50:53.199 --> 01:50:55.416 have happened in Mimula since the CBD 01:50:55.440 --> 01:50:58.056 master plan that council consciously got 01:50:58.080 --> 01:51:00.695 conditions placed into around parking to 01:51:00.719 --> 01:51:03.416 cater for some other offset impacts so 01:51:03.440 --> 01:51:04.856 we can bring more information back 01:51:04.880 --> 01:51:05.576 publicly. 01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:05.976 Thank you. 01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:08.135 Can we make it specific around so it's 01:51:08.159 --> 01:51:11.159 not just top of town like I 01:51:14.480 --> 01:51:16.536 respond? 01:51:16.560 --> 01:51:18.376 But I'm fine with that long as we we 01:51:18.400 --> 01:51:21.256 know the pardon. 01:51:21.280 --> 01:51:22.776 All right, councilors, no further 01:51:22.800 --> 01:51:25.496 questions, no conf session. Councilors, 01:51:25.520 --> 01:51:28.520 I declare the meeting closed at 01:51:28.719 --> 01:51:31.719 3:51. Thanks, counselors.