WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:01.815 Council is now 2 p.m. and the ordinary 00:00:01.839 --> 00:00:03.736 meeting of Wednesday the 28th of January 00:00:03.760 --> 00:00:06.760 2026 will commence. All council meetings 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:08.535 are recorded and live streamed to the 00:00:08.559 --> 00:00:10.056 internet for public viewing. The 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:11.256 recording will be archived and made 00:00:11.280 --> 00:00:13.016 available on council's website 00:00:13.040 --> 00:00:16.040 www.begavalley.nsw.gov.au 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:19.496 I also start by acknowledge on behalf of 00:00:19.520 --> 00:00:20.856 Bega Valley Shire the traditional 00:00:20.880 --> 00:00:23.415 custodians of lands waterways and 00:00:23.439 --> 00:00:24.696 airspace on which we are gathering 00:00:24.720 --> 00:00:27.095 today. Council under local government 00:00:27.119 --> 00:00:28.456 act I'm required to read the statement 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:30.616 of ethical obligations. The Mayor and 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:31.896 council are reminded that they remain 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:34.296 bound by the affirmation of office made 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:35.736 at the start of the council term to 00:00:35.760 --> 00:00:37.896 undertake the civic duties in the best 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:39.896 interest of the people of Bega Valley and 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:41.576 to faithfully and impartially carry out 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:43.816 those functions, powers, authorities and 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:45.816 discretions vested within them under the 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:47.976 local government act or any other act to 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:49.976 the best of their skill and judgment. 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:51.736 Mayor and councils are reminded of the 00:00:51.760 --> 00:00:53.175 requirement for disclosure of conflicts 00:00:53.199 --> 00:00:54.855 of interest in relation to items listed 00:00:54.879 --> 00:00:57.496 for consideration on the agenda or which 00:00:57.520 --> 00:00:58.695 are considered at this meeting in 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:00.136 accordance with the code of conduct and 00:01:00.160 --> 00:01:02.616 code of meeting practice. Councilors, no 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:04.775 apologies. Confirmation of minutes of 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:06.856 the meeting held on the 10th of December 00:01:06.880 --> 00:01:09.880 2025. Mover taken as read. Councelor 00:01:10.320 --> 00:01:12.135 O'Neil seconded councelor Daly. All 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:15.016 those in favor carried unanimously. 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:17.656 Declarations Mr. CEO. 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:19.496 Three. Mr Mayor I've got three declarations 00:01:19.520 --> 00:01:22.135 here today. The first one is from 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:24.536 councelor Mudaliar in relation to item 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:26.216 8.3 00:01:26.240 --> 00:01:28.616 UPL fee waiver for Eden local Aboriginal 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:31.016 land council's bund project. The 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:34.040 interest is pecuniary in that council 00:01:34.240 --> 00:01:36.455 Mudaliar is employed as the tourism manager 00:01:36.479 --> 00:01:38.936 with the Eden local Aboriginal land council 00:01:38.960 --> 00:01:40.856 and heavily involved in the bunion way 00:01:40.880 --> 00:01:42.216 project. So she will leave the chamber 00:01:42.240 --> 00:01:45.240 for that item. the second one is also 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:47.656 from councelor Mudaliar in relation to 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:50.680 item 11.1 slug cove maritime precinct 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:54.055 memorandum of understanding again 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:57.079 a pecuniary interest and it is because 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:59.256 council Mudaliar is an employee of the Eden 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.095 local Aboriginal land council in the role of 00:02:01.119 --> 00:02:03.176 tourism manager and the Eden l is a 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:06.055 listed party on theou so she'll also 00:02:06.079 --> 00:02:08.616 leave the chamber for that one the 00:02:08.640 --> 00:02:11.640 third one is from councelor O'Neil in 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:14.680 relation to item 9.1 request for tender 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:17.896 25265 00:02:17.920 --> 00:02:20.920 for the Merimbula CBD traffic trials. 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:23.575 It's a non-percuniary conflict of 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:26.056 interest and she will stay in the 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:27.656 chamber and vote. And the nature of the 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:30.616 conflict is that she will soon be 00:02:30.640 --> 00:02:32.696 appointed as a director of the Twford 00:02:32.720 --> 00:02:35.416 Theatre which is a company limited by 00:02:35.440 --> 00:02:36.935 guarantee 00:02:36.959 --> 00:02:38.696 the 00:02:38.720 --> 00:02:40.696 is in within the Merimbula CBD and 00:02:40.720 --> 00:02:43.096 therefore may be affected by potential 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:46.120 changes to traffic in the area. So as I 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:49.176 mentioned she will disclose and vote at 00:02:49.200 --> 00:02:50.376 that time. 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.096 Thanks Mr. CEO. There's no petition 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:54.935 public forum today. We have two 00:02:54.959 --> 00:02:57.176 deputations on item 9.1 request for 00:02:57.200 --> 00:02:59.656 tender. Mr. Nigel Alen speaking against 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:01.736 and Mr. Scott McClean on behalf of 00:03:01.760 --> 00:03:03.656 Merimbula RSL also speaking against the 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:05.896 recommendation. There's no petitions, no 00:03:05.920 --> 00:03:07.816 mer minutes, no urgent business staff 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:10.135 reports, community environment and 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:12.776 planning development application stats 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:15.800 8.1 councilors. Any questions of Miss 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:18.376 Harrison through the CEO or anything 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:19.336 else? 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:22.215 I think you expect this one for 00:03:22.239 --> 00:03:25.239 you Mr. Mayor it is coming down 00:03:25.440 --> 00:03:27.816 Great to see but could you just say what 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:29.736 the impact has been of some big or 00:03:29.760 --> 00:03:31.896 long-standing DAS this time around 00:03:31.920 --> 00:03:33.416 because I notice you've got a note here 00:03:33.440 --> 00:03:35.495 saying that the stats you can't just 00:03:35.519 --> 00:03:37.416 take them at the top value to understand 00:03:37.440 --> 00:03:40.215 what's going on underneath. 00:03:40.239 --> 00:03:42.855 Theory Mr. Mayor yes I think as we 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:45.336 you know often say these stats 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:47.575 provide a part of the picture I 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:49.016 think when you look at trends overall it 00:03:49.040 --> 00:03:50.536 is really pleasing to see that the stats 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:52.456 are decreasing. The time taken to assess 00:03:52.480 --> 00:03:55.256 DAS is decreasing but depending on what 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:56.696 development applications have been 00:03:56.720 --> 00:03:58.376 assessed in a given period that does 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:00.696 impact the the number and the assessment 00:04:00.720 --> 00:04:03.720 days. So um larger DAS, more complex DAS 00:04:03.760 --> 00:04:05.976 take more time um and therefore the 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:09.000 stats both our internal council data 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:11.176 that we collect and the data that um is 00:04:11.200 --> 00:04:12.536 shown on the planning portal will 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:14.616 reflect that. 00:04:14.640 --> 00:04:16.775 Council and councel 00:04:16.799 --> 00:04:19.175 um the the second one is there also 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:22.199 seems to be a declining number of DAs 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:24.696 coming in. Um I don't know whether at 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:25.976 this stage because it has been marked 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:27.656 now for several quarters whether you 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:30.376 think that means a lessening of interest 00:04:30.400 --> 00:04:33.175 in developing here or what else might 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:36.199 liber 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:39.496 um in the last sort of four years or 00:04:39.520 --> 00:04:41.576 so four or five years we did did see an 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:43.816 increase in development um so following 00:04:43.840 --> 00:04:45.895 the black summer fires but also the 00:04:45.919 --> 00:04:47.336 impacts of co we saw a lot of 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:49.496 inmigration and a lot of people moving 00:04:49.520 --> 00:04:51.336 into our area or looking to develop what 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:53.416 they already have in our area. Um I 00:04:53.440 --> 00:04:55.256 think that is starting to decline and 00:04:55.280 --> 00:04:56.696 we're going back to what I would call 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:59.720 more um normal or or expected levels of 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:03.720 DAS. Um but I think that's a reflection 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:07.240 of of changing you know other factors 00:05:07.280 --> 00:05:08.776 changing in our in our environment and 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.800 context. 00:05:11.919 --> 00:05:13.656 Yeah. Thank you Mr. Mayor. 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:15.175 Thank you Mr. Mayor. My question was 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:17.015 actually the same as the last one there 00:05:17.039 --> 00:05:18.615 from councelor O'Neil but I was just 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:20.056 hoping you could expand a little bit on 00:05:20.080 --> 00:05:22.056 that and the type of DA. So, is it like 00:05:22.080 --> 00:05:24.536 a like a, you know, just renovations or 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:27.496 garden sheds or are they new builds? Um, 00:05:27.520 --> 00:05:30.520 is there anything in that data that 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:32.776 council O'Neil was referring to, the 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:34.696 reduced number of DAs being submitted to 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:36.216 council? Um, you know, we've certainly 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:37.976 got the numbers there in terms of the 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:39.976 value of the DAS, but could you comment 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:43.000 on the what the DAS are the and whether 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:45.256 that's there's any red flags in that for 00:05:45.280 --> 00:05:47.416 you? 00:05:47.440 --> 00:05:50.136 Mr. Mayor, I don't have a breakdown on 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:51.976 hand. Um, so I can't really speak to 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:54.296 that in too much detail. Um, as far as 00:05:54.320 --> 00:05:56.136 I'm aware, there is still a mix of 00:05:56.160 --> 00:05:57.336 development. There's still a lot of 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:00.136 housing. Um, and then you know, you you 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:01.496 absolutely have some of those commercial 00:06:01.520 --> 00:06:03.735 and larger scale developments going on, 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:06.759 but I I don't have data on hand. 00:06:06.880 --> 00:06:08.936 Miss Paris, my question is relates and 00:06:08.960 --> 00:06:10.536 it probably relates to the next issue 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:12.056 being 8.2 as well. One of the 00:06:12.080 --> 00:06:13.256 recommendations I think it's 00:06:13.280 --> 00:06:16.136 recommendation 14 is that long-standing 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:17.735 DA is actually a decision be made. They 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:19.816 either be refused and sent back. Are we 00:06:19.840 --> 00:06:21.656 in any position to start a process like 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:23.735 that and and what will the process 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.136 basically be? I know we've got the next 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:28.376 report to adopt, but my concern is 00:06:28.400 --> 00:06:30.295 around those figures is how quickly we 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:31.735 can do that. 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:33.576 True, Mr. Mayor. We've actually started 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.600 a process already of um identifying what 00:06:36.960 --> 00:06:39.416 we call our aged DA. So DAS over a 00:06:39.440 --> 00:06:41.336 certain number of days um since they 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:43.496 were lodged and we are contacting all of 00:06:43.520 --> 00:06:46.136 those applicants to find out if they are 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:49.160 still interested in pursuing that DA. um 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:51.015 if they are interested in pursuing it 00:06:51.039 --> 00:06:53.336 then depending on where the DA was at in 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:54.776 the process we're giving some time 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:56.295 frames of when we require extra 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:57.895 information for so it's a very simple DA 00:06:57.919 --> 00:06:59.096 we might be saying well provide that 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:01.096 within 7 days it's a complex one we'll 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:02.936 be giving longer depending what the 00:07:02.960 --> 00:07:05.960 requirement is um or if they're not um 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:08.615 willing you know if things have changed 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:10.056 and they actually don't want to pursue 00:07:10.080 --> 00:07:11.735 that DA any further we'll be asking them 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:13.496 to withdraw it rather than have it kept 00:07:13.520 --> 00:07:15.256 in our book so that's an active we've 00:07:15.280 --> 00:07:18.280 started that process um in the review 00:07:18.880 --> 00:07:20.856 which is the next report. Um the 00:07:20.880 --> 00:07:22.536 consultants recommended we prioritize 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:24.056 that in the first 6 months. So we've 00:07:24.080 --> 00:07:25.496 already started that and I'm hopeful 00:07:25.520 --> 00:07:27.096 that we'll get that completed in the six 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:27.656 months. 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:29.496 Thanks Mr. Harrison. Council's 00:07:29.520 --> 00:07:31.096 recommendation that council note the 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:33.735 information. Councelor O'Neil. Oh sorry 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:35.656 councelor Daly have a question. 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:37.175 Just through you Mr. Mayor just looking 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:39.656 at the last three quarters um and of 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:41.496 DA's determined we're hitting around the 00:07:41.520 --> 00:07:44.520 70 mark. Um, can you just comment on um 00:07:45.520 --> 00:07:48.136 whether we're fully staffed in the 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:49.816 planning and and assessment sort of 00:07:49.840 --> 00:07:52.776 space and whether additional staff could 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:55.800 drive more determinations um and improve 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:58.216 our numbers even further or sort of we 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.776 are we at peak staff level and this is 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:02.776 kind of about what we can expect. Thank 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:04.696 you 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:06.216 you Mr. Mayor. We do still have some 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:09.015 vacancies in the town planning team. Um 00:08:09.039 --> 00:08:11.816 at the moment I think we have one 00:08:11.840 --> 00:08:13.656 vacancy in the town planning team and 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:15.256 then um some vacancies in our 00:08:15.280 --> 00:08:16.936 development support services team which 00:08:16.960 --> 00:08:19.960 is that pre-lodgement um team. Um it's 00:08:22.080 --> 00:08:24.455 as far as resourcing goes over the last 00:08:24.479 --> 00:08:26.696 few years. Um we had far more 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:28.295 significant gaps previously. We've 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:30.216 filled a lot of those positions. Um so 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:32.056 it is good we only have one vacancy. We 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:33.495 are using contractors still where 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:35.656 possible. Um we are considering at the 00:08:35.680 --> 00:08:37.176 moment in the light of the DA service 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:39.416 review whether there are further um I 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.336 guess resourcing injections that we 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:43.736 could make to improve those numbers 00:08:43.760 --> 00:08:46.296 further in theory more planners we can 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.536 get through more DAS. Um there's 00:08:48.560 --> 00:08:50.935 obviously would be a settling in period 00:08:50.959 --> 00:08:53.736 where a new planner is learning our leap 00:08:53.760 --> 00:08:55.976 and learning our templates and things 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.696 before they um you know can assess those 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:00.935 as quickly as 00:09:00.959 --> 00:09:02.696 you know an existing planner. That's 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:04.856 something that we're considering. Um, 00:09:04.880 --> 00:09:07.815 and if I may just go back to a a 00:09:07.839 --> 00:09:09.255 question that was asked in this 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:11.896 conversation um around what types of DAS 00:09:11.920 --> 00:09:13.336 we're seeing at the moment they're 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:15.176 predominantly residential alterations 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:16.856 and additions, that kind of thing is 00:09:16.880 --> 00:09:19.815 what we're what we're looking at. 00:09:19.839 --> 00:09:22.536 Just um back to the question from 00:09:22.560 --> 00:09:23.815 councelor D. The other thing to keep in 00:09:23.839 --> 00:09:25.576 mind is it's not necessarily a direct 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:27.976 correlation between number of DAs 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:29.576 assessed and staff. It's obviously 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:31.336 relative to complexity of DAS coming 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:34.360 through the door as well 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:35.815 for the question. Councelor New happy to 00:09:35.839 --> 00:09:38.839 move second council daily. All those in 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.600 favor carried unanimously. Item 8.2 00:09:43.760 --> 00:09:46.296 development assessment service review. 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:47.495 I want to move straight to the staff 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:48.856 recommendation if that's okay. 00:09:48.880 --> 00:09:50.456 Oh yeah. But do we have questions? 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:52.456 Council N you have a question? 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:54.375 Um 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:57.399 yep. just if you wanted to comment 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:00.136 sort of more broadly on the staff 00:10:00.160 --> 00:10:03.160 embracing this process and and yeah and 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:05.736 how it's being taken internally and and 00:10:05.760 --> 00:10:07.255 you know the opportunities that have 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.896 been acknowledged there 00:10:09.920 --> 00:10:11.736 you Mr. there. Um I think a service 00:10:11.760 --> 00:10:14.760 review like this um is always um you 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:17.736 know it's it can be hard for staff to go 00:10:17.760 --> 00:10:19.016 through because we're getting someone I 00:10:19.040 --> 00:10:20.216 guess to have a forensic look at what 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.696 we're doing. Um as far as this goes um 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:24.136 the staff have been really have really 00:10:24.160 --> 00:10:26.216 embraced this. Um we think it's been a 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:29.240 good time for a review. Um the findings 00:10:29.760 --> 00:10:31.255 I think are really clear. There's lots 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:33.656 of positives um in what our team already 00:10:33.680 --> 00:10:35.333 do, but there are definite room for 00:10:35.357 --> 00:10:37.176 [clears throat] improvement and we are 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.976 really keen to um I guess embrace that 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:41.815 and keep improving what we do. There are 00:10:41.839 --> 00:10:43.255 some challenges and we've got to work 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:45.096 through how we will implement these 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:48.120 recommendations. Um where I'll be I'll 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:50.375 be working with um the staff and it's 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:51.736 right across the organizations. It's not 00:10:51.760 --> 00:10:53.336 just the planning team, all the referral 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:54.616 areas. We all have to be on the same 00:10:54.640 --> 00:10:56.216 page. Um, but this is a really good 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:57.576 opportunity for us to all come together 00:10:57.600 --> 00:10:59.976 and really, I guess, workshop through 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:01.336 what the recommendations are, how we're 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:02.776 going to implement it, what improvements 00:11:02.800 --> 00:11:03.815 we're going to say, how we're going to 00:11:03.839 --> 00:11:05.495 track this to to check that it's 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:08.136 working. Um, but no, I think, um, 00:11:08.160 --> 00:11:11.160 overall we've got really good, um, you 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:14.055 know, buying from the staff. We 00:11:14.079 --> 00:11:16.296 understand how important DA assessment 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:18.216 is for our community. Um, and the staff 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.375 are really committed to improving and 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:21.656 doing the best they can for the 00:11:21.680 --> 00:11:23.016 community. Obviously, we have to 00:11:23.040 --> 00:11:24.856 balance, you know, a whole range of 00:11:24.880 --> 00:11:26.055 things in DA assessment, your 00:11:26.079 --> 00:11:28.536 legislative framework, biodiversity, all 00:11:28.560 --> 00:11:30.296 of those things with speed. So, there's 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:33.320 a that that that will always exist. Um, 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:35.736 but yeah, I guess that's where we're at. 00:11:35.760 --> 00:11:37.096 And sorry, I should say we've also 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:38.216 started implementing some of the 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:39.976 recommendations already. I know the 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:41.656 recommendation for you today is to note 00:11:41.680 --> 00:11:43.096 the report and we'll come back with a 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:44.764 further road map, but some of them 00:11:44.788 --> 00:11:45.976 [music] are things that we've been 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:47.576 chipping away at already or can really 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:49.576 easily implement. So, you've [music] 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.375 sort of said, why wait? Let's start and 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:53.416 we'll come back to you again. 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:54.856 So could I just follow up with another 00:11:54.880 --> 00:11:56.616 question on that? Then most of the 00:11:56.640 --> 00:11:58.776 recommendations have a cost implication. 00:11:58.800 --> 00:11:59.896 How will we address the cost 00:11:59.920 --> 00:12:01.815 implications on those through um in some 00:12:01.839 --> 00:12:03.736 way a couple of recommendations mention 00:12:03.760 --> 00:12:05.656 a cost of around 100,000 if we were to 00:12:05.680 --> 00:12:07.815 use a consultant or do it internally? 00:12:07.839 --> 00:12:09.016 How are we going to address some of 00:12:09.040 --> 00:12:10.055 those and when are we going to address 00:12:10.079 --> 00:12:11.896 those cost implications? 00:12:11.920 --> 00:12:14.920 So through you Mr. Mayor um there's some 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:17.736 of the recommendations won't have a cost 00:12:17.760 --> 00:12:20.696 implication um and some of them will. 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:23.416 So, we're working through that and we'll 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:25.815 be including as part of the FY financial 00:12:25.839 --> 00:12:28.839 year 27 budget and long-term financial 00:12:28.880 --> 00:12:31.495 planning that we we're sort of working 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:32.776 on already, but that will come to you 00:12:32.800 --> 00:12:34.615 over the next few months. We will be 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:36.136 looking at what the cost of some of 00:12:36.160 --> 00:12:38.055 these recommendations could be and when 00:12:38.079 --> 00:12:41.016 might be a good time um for those things 00:12:41.040 --> 00:12:44.040 to happen. And obviously that's a a will 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:46.375 be a question for you as the elected 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.399 council as to where to put where to 00:12:49.760 --> 00:12:52.216 prioritize money. Um but some of the 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.216 recommendations can be done without any 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:55.976 additional 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.456 budget. Um we just need to it'll take 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:00.375 staff time. So I just need to balance 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:01.736 staff time to implement the 00:13:01.760 --> 00:13:03.976 recommendations with keeping DA 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:05.656 assessment going. But I think there is a 00:13:05.680 --> 00:13:06.776 way to do that. 00:13:06.800 --> 00:13:09.800 Thanks M. Any further questions? 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:11.976 Councelor New, you happy to move? 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:13.736 , yes ma'am. And to speak to 00:13:13.760 --> 00:13:16.760 second council name. Councelor New. 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:18.856 Um, 00:13:18.880 --> 00:13:20.935 look, I am really heartened to hear what 00:13:20.959 --> 00:13:22.375 the director of community environment 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:23.416 planning has just said about the 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:24.935 attitude, but I do want to make a couple 00:13:24.959 --> 00:13:27.959 of points from the report here. , when 00:13:28.160 --> 00:13:30.375 I look at the recommendations, 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:32.696 it is more than improvement of the 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:34.615 current processes. It is actually a 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:37.255 change management process. So I want to 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:38.935 commend the the staff for their 00:13:38.959 --> 00:13:41.576 willingness to do this but also think of 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:44.456 it as actually a culture change too. And 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:46.615 I think I am looking at some of the 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.696 customer service issues of timeliness 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:50.456 and response 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:52.456 um where I know staff have felt 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.935 overwhelmed at times have found it hard 00:13:54.959 --> 00:13:57.336 to prioritize what they should. Um the 00:13:57.360 --> 00:13:59.656 report gives us a couple of processes to 00:13:59.680 --> 00:14:01.336 make that more efficient and more 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:03.336 effective. So I'm really pleased to see 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:05.736 that. So, I'm looking forward to what 00:14:05.760 --> 00:14:07.896 comes back to us, but it's got to be 00:14:07.920 --> 00:14:10.296 change rather than refinement, I think, 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:12.935 in in what we're doing. Um, and and 00:14:12.959 --> 00:14:14.615 great that everyone is on board for 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:17.639 that. As regards the investment, 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.296 um, it is really hard in the 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:23.320 straightened financial circumstances in 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:26.375 which the council is in to contemplate 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.856 this. Um, but I looked at the 00:14:28.880 --> 00:14:31.175 recommendations. They are so fundamental 00:14:31.199 --> 00:14:33.576 to the future of this sh that I think 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.576 we're going to actually have to look at 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:37.416 this very seriously and call on the 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.896 staff to look at some of the trade-offs. 00:14:39.920 --> 00:14:41.815 And that's not only so that we can hit 00:14:41.839 --> 00:14:44.216 the state government targets and adapt 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.016 to a new state government landscape 00:14:47.040 --> 00:14:48.615 in which planning decisions are supposed 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:51.495 to happen more quickly and more in favor 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:54.216 of getting developments done. Um it is 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.856 also because we sit here as a council. 00:14:56.880 --> 00:14:59.880 It is our job to balance the demand for 00:14:59.920 --> 00:15:02.920 more housing the job creation that 00:15:03.040 --> 00:15:05.896 comes with decent industrial development 00:15:05.920 --> 00:15:08.856 um against or with the environmental 00:15:08.880 --> 00:15:11.255 implications and the safety ones. So 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:13.096 this is not just a matter of getting the 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:15.175 DAS through. This is the heartland of 00:15:15.199 --> 00:15:18.199 where we're balancing not just the DA's 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:21.096 team work but putting that in the 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:22.536 context of what we as a council are 00:15:22.560 --> 00:15:24.696 aiming at. So I don't want them to think 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:26.296 of this as an internal process where 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.696 they can make their work better. It's 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:30.696 actually fitting into our overall 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:32.935 strategic direction. 00:15:32.959 --> 00:15:35.096 Any speaker against any other speaker 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:36.375 for council name? 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:37.896 Um yeah, thank you very much and it's 00:15:37.920 --> 00:15:40.920 great to see this process I guess of 00:15:41.680 --> 00:15:43.976 kicking off the the the recommendations 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:46.216 commence. Um you know as you're very 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.615 well aware this was a notice of motion 00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:51.639 um that that began this process. And 00:15:52.079 --> 00:15:53.495 you know, the more that I think about 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.519 it, like it's it's not it it almost 00:15:56.959 --> 00:15:59.959 should should be a process that happens 00:16:00.160 --> 00:16:02.776 every every time period, either 5 00:16:02.800 --> 00:16:04.536 years or 10 years. In this case, it was 00:16:04.560 --> 00:16:06.776 10 years since we did our last one. I 00:16:06.800 --> 00:16:08.296 think in an industry that's so dynamic 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.096 and it's changing so rapidly. Um I think 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:13.096 the attitude of continuous improvement 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:15.735 is really important here as well. I 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.136 mean, God 10 years is probably you 00:16:18.160 --> 00:16:19.096 know, the way that we're heading at the 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:21.255 moment. 10 years is probably is too 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:23.976 long. Um so I'm really happy to hear 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:25.735 that the staff have embraced this 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:27.416 process and can see so many 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:29.815 opportunities as part of it um as well 00:16:29.839 --> 00:16:31.576 because I think you know in many ways 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:33.495 the one of the biggest beneficiaries um 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:35.576 of it um you know equipping them with 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:38.136 the tools and you know to be able to to 00:16:38.160 --> 00:16:40.055 do their job better and get more job 00:16:40.079 --> 00:16:42.856 satisfaction um out of this as well. Um 00:16:42.880 --> 00:16:45.880 and I think that you know 00:16:46.079 --> 00:16:48.216 certainly in private enterprise anyway I 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:49.656 I've said this before but you know we 00:16:49.680 --> 00:16:51.175 talk about working on the business or 00:16:51.199 --> 00:16:53.096 working in the business you know our st 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:54.536 you just asked the question before 00:16:54.560 --> 00:16:56.856 councelor um daily about you know 00:16:56.880 --> 00:16:58.776 doing me small staff it's it's always a 00:16:58.800 --> 00:17:00.296 balancing act I mean they're always 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:02.456 fully engaged that they're doing their 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:05.480 job there's no capacity really to to to 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:08.935 do that process of internal review and 00:17:08.959 --> 00:17:11.096 put together and and so I'm really happy 00:17:11.120 --> 00:17:12.535 that the council has backed this 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:14.696 external process. I think it's been a 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.096 very valid and it'll pay for itself 00:17:17.120 --> 00:17:19.256 in you know million a million times 00:17:19.280 --> 00:17:21.256 over. So yeah I really look forward 00:17:21.280 --> 00:17:23.895 to seeing the road map um and being 00:17:23.919 --> 00:17:25.496 implemented in long-term financial plan. 00:17:25.520 --> 00:17:26.775 Um I'm glad the Mayor asked that 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:28.856 question as well and I'm hoping that you 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:30.936 know obviously we can't do everything at 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:33.960 once but that is prioritized and it will 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:36.616 be an ongoing program um over the next 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:38.535 however many years. So um I think this 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:40.616 is a fabulous report. Thank you. Next 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:42.616 thing you speak against put council 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:44.136 don't need to write reply put the motion 00:17:44.160 --> 00:17:47.015 all those in favor carried in earnestly 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:50.039 item 8.3 council dalia 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:54.696 thank you Mr. chair. Um I just wishing 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:55.895 to share that I have declared a 00:17:55.919 --> 00:17:58.696 pecuniary interest on this matter due to 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:00.696 the fact that I'm employed as tourism 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:02.376 manager with the Eden Local Aberiginal 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:04.936 Land Council and directly working on 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:06.856 the Bundian Way project. So I will leave 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:08.216 the chamber while the matter is heard. 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.240 Thank you 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:21.496 council. Any questions to the director 00:18:21.520 --> 00:18:24.456 of the CEO? 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:25.496 The recommendation. 00:18:25.520 --> 00:18:28.520 I'd like to move a motion, Mr. Mayor. Um 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:30.775 I'd move that we choose to wave all 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.015 current and future UPL fees for the 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:35.736 project as um outlined as one of the 00:18:35.760 --> 00:18:38.760 options in the business paper. 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:43.799 So just amend the recommendation to or 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:46.856 future as well. 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:49.256 Yeah, in the options there, one it's one 00:18:49.280 --> 00:18:51.816 of the the possibilities is wave all 00:18:51.840 --> 00:18:54.840 current and future UPLs for UPL fees for 00:18:55.280 --> 00:18:57.416 the project. That's what I'd like to 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.440 move 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:03.799 daily council 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:08.535 Mr. C. 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:10.216 Yeah, just to clarify that we get the 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:11.736 wording right in this so that we meet 00:19:11.760 --> 00:19:13.416 what we need to. Um I'm assuming what 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:15.336 you are saying is the council resolves 00:19:15.360 --> 00:19:17.015 to 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:20.039 wave the current and all future UPL fees 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:22.775 associated with the project 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:24.936 and exhibit this for 28 days as required 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:27.960 on it. Yep. 00:19:29.520 --> 00:19:30.936 That Jackie. 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:33.736 Thanks Cal you speak to it. 00:19:33.760 --> 00:19:36.616 Yeah. Ever so briefly. Um 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:38.296 the Bundian way is obviously a very 00:19:38.320 --> 00:19:41.320 important cultural um and tourism asset 00:19:41.360 --> 00:19:44.360 for us in the big valley shire and an 00:19:45.520 --> 00:19:48.520 award-winning one at that. So I um I 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:51.736 think it's it's incumbent upon us. 00:19:51.760 --> 00:19:53.655 really it it's just being consistent 00:19:53.679 --> 00:19:56.056 with the previous motion from 2022 00:19:56.080 --> 00:19:59.080 whereby council resolved to wave um 00:19:59.280 --> 00:20:02.280 other fees including section 711 712 and 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:05.256 section 64 developer contributions 00:20:05.280 --> 00:20:07.655 rather than future developments of the 00:20:07.679 --> 00:20:10.535 Bundian way coming back for further um 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:13.496 discussions on waving UPL fees. Um I 00:20:13.520 --> 00:20:15.015 think that we can make that decision 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.039 now. Um, you know, the the the Bundian 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:21.096 Way has a lot of community and tourism 00:20:21.120 --> 00:20:24.056 benefits. You know, connecting um for 00:20:24.080 --> 00:20:25.816 for locals as well as visitors, I guess, 00:20:25.840 --> 00:20:28.376 is my point. Connecting Kakora Beach to 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:30.856 um Quarantine Bay, the whale dreaming 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:33.880 track. Um, and the giving as well 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:37.015 opportunity for cruise ship visitors to 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:39.576 come around to the sheltered beach at um 00:20:39.600 --> 00:20:42.296 Kakora. Um I think it makes sense that 00:20:42.320 --> 00:20:45.256 we do everything we can to um ensure 00:20:45.280 --> 00:20:47.976 that they can continue to develop the um 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:51.000 the Bundian way without any um financial 00:20:52.080 --> 00:20:53.895 impact of UPPL fees or anything else 00:20:53.919 --> 00:20:56.616 that might slow um slow down continuing 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:59.640 to to develop it. So I think this 00:21:00.159 --> 00:21:00.775 straightforward 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:03.799 speaker against speaker against put the 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.559 motion all those in favor 00:21:07.679 --> 00:21:10.616 carried unanimously with councelor Nen 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:12.936 out of the room and council Dalia of 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:15.336 course absent 00:21:15.360 --> 00:21:18.360 item 8.4 four. Wait for council medallia 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:21.480 to return. 00:21:45.600 --> 00:21:47.416 8.4 investigation of alternative 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:49.176 coingled recycling processing 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:50.535 facilities. I have some questions for 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:53.559 the CEO. I don't know how to answer ask 00:21:53.600 --> 00:21:56.135 them. Um we've been doing some work with 00:21:56.159 --> 00:21:58.456 the CRA joint organization around this 00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:00.535 and the possible CRA facility and the 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:02.216 opening time of the CRA facility as 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:05.015 well. um would you like to elaborate how 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:07.816 we will work through this and the next 00:22:07.840 --> 00:22:09.576 steps for it? Obviously, it's a cost 00:22:09.600 --> 00:22:11.655 saving for us in some sort of ways and 00:22:11.679 --> 00:22:13.736 the report you mentioned will come back 00:22:13.760 --> 00:22:15.816 with cost possible cost savings 00:22:15.840 --> 00:22:17.256 presented to us. 00:22:17.280 --> 00:22:18.811 Yeah. Three, Mr. Mayor, the 00:22:18.835 --> 00:22:19.816 [clears throat] intention of this report 00:22:19.840 --> 00:22:21.895 is to allow discussions to happen to see 00:22:21.919 --> 00:22:24.135 if we can get better value for money out 00:22:24.159 --> 00:22:26.775 of our waste contracts that we 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:28.135 currently have in place. So that would 00:22:28.159 --> 00:22:31.159 involve working with Cleanway obviously 00:22:31.280 --> 00:22:34.135 in part as referred to in here and also 00:22:34.159 --> 00:22:37.159 at the moment Shaw Haven Council who 00:22:37.360 --> 00:22:39.256 have commissioned a new materials 00:22:39.280 --> 00:22:41.496 recovery facility. We are aware that the 00:22:41.520 --> 00:22:43.496 ACT government is in the process of 00:22:43.520 --> 00:22:45.416 procuring a new materials recovery 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:47.096 facility that's still a number of years 00:22:47.120 --> 00:22:50.120 away from operation. And so we've been 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:54.039 um in planning for how we get best value 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:56.616 for our value for money for our 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:58.216 community for these services. We have 00:22:58.240 --> 00:22:59.816 also been [music] looking at um 00:22:59.840 --> 00:23:01.496 opportunities for joint procurement as 00:23:01.520 --> 00:23:03.336 well at different scales and that's 00:23:03.360 --> 00:23:05.416 something that we've 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:07.976 um received some funding at the joint 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:09.816 organization level to investigate 00:23:09.840 --> 00:23:12.840 further. So the upshot of all that is 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:14.775 this is about us being able to have some 00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:16.376 conversations with Shaw Haven to see 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:17.895 whether we can get better value for 00:23:17.919 --> 00:23:20.535 money making sure that anything we do 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:22.616 bring back as a recommendation considers 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:24.936 long-term impacts and opportunities as 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:25.816 well. 00:23:25.840 --> 00:23:28.840 See any other questions the 00:23:29.360 --> 00:23:31.655 um through you may um to the CEO um 00:23:31.679 --> 00:23:33.096 would you also could you also talk to 00:23:33.120 --> 00:23:35.336 the resiliency aspects of having more 00:23:35.360 --> 00:23:37.256 than one co-mingled facility 00:23:37.280 --> 00:23:38.616 particularly after in light of what 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:40.616 happened in CRA? 00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:43.416 Yeah. So through Mr. Mayor that um that 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:45.576 is certainly a couple of bits on this. 00:23:45.600 --> 00:23:47.096 One of the things that we will be making 00:23:47.120 --> 00:23:49.336 sure we consider in any negotiations we 00:23:49.360 --> 00:23:51.976 have with anyone or discussions is how 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.936 does it work if the whichever facility 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:57.895 we stick with um has any reason to not 00:23:57.919 --> 00:23:59.416 be operational. And what I'm alluding to 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:02.056 there is everything's fine while the 00:24:02.080 --> 00:24:04.535 facilities are available. But we've got 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:06.216 from experience that isn't always the 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.296 case which is what happened in the ACT 00:24:08.320 --> 00:24:09.976 and for background got us into a bit of 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:12.296 a bind when that facility burnt down and 00:24:12.320 --> 00:24:14.696 which is why it's being rebuilt. So from 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.720 a beaker valley perspective having um 00:24:17.919 --> 00:24:20.696 multiple facilities closer to us than 00:24:20.720 --> 00:24:22.616 Sydney is a really good outcome 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:24.216 longterm. The other thing to keep in 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:26.376 mind um this is worth the public 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.456 understanding is well why don't we just 00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:30.616 build one of these in the bee valley. 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.640 The feasibility of these things um is 00:24:33.840 --> 00:24:36.840 very um 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.216 yes scale orientated and one of the 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:42.135 reasons that Shame are having 00:24:42.159 --> 00:24:44.376 discussions with us is because the 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.135 feasibility of their operation depends 00:24:46.159 --> 00:24:47.655 on throughput that they are not capable 00:24:47.679 --> 00:24:49.336 of generating themselves. So they need 00:24:49.360 --> 00:24:51.576 materials in there. We are not at the 00:24:51.600 --> 00:24:54.216 scale. Yeah, we are not at the scale um 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:55.496 where it would be feasible. and we've 00:24:55.520 --> 00:24:57.336 done investigations several times over 00:24:57.360 --> 00:24:58.856 the last 10 years or so to look at 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:01.880 options and um the only way it would 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:03.976 become feasible is if we got commitment 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:06.056 from all kinds of people around us to 00:25:06.080 --> 00:25:07.736 bring their throughput but that would 00:25:07.760 --> 00:25:09.895 mean then us competing with someone like 00:25:09.919 --> 00:25:12.456 show haven and the act and you end up 00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.176 driving the prices down so yeah it is 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:17.576 important to have 00:25:17.600 --> 00:25:19.895 redundancy in 00:25:19.919 --> 00:25:22.919 where these materials can be processed 00:25:23.919 --> 00:25:24.936 another 00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:26.616 Um, I think this one's a bit of a 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:28.856 tangential one, but while we're looking 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:31.736 at this, the DA's been rolling through 00:25:31.760 --> 00:25:34.760 very slowly on our own recycling of 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:37.255 FOGO stuff. So, could I just check where 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.279 this um that project is going alongside 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:43.176 this sort of investigation? 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:44.616 Three, M. I'd have to take that on 00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:46.056 notice to be able to give an accurate 00:25:46.080 --> 00:25:47.576 answer. What I will say is that is 00:25:47.600 --> 00:25:50.600 completely independent of this. Um but 00:25:51.120 --> 00:25:52.856 yeah, it's it's another example of 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:54.376 something we are doing to try and 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:56.456 optimize our waste services to our 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:57.655 community. But yeah, I'd have to take 00:25:57.679 --> 00:25:59.976 that on notice. Um 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.895 coincidentally, the public will get some 00:26:01.919 --> 00:26:03.496 information on that very soon because 00:26:03.520 --> 00:26:05.576 we've had a media inquiry today. So for 00:26:05.600 --> 00:26:06.856 whatever reason, the media are thinking 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:08.376 like you are. Where's that up to? And 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:09.816 maybe this report was the trigger for 00:26:09.840 --> 00:26:11.576 that too. 00:26:11.600 --> 00:26:11.736 We 00:26:11.760 --> 00:26:14.216 have a recommendation council. Councelor 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:15.976 N. 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:19.000 Councelor Hager. All those in favor 00:26:19.360 --> 00:26:22.296 carried unanimously. Memor of 00:26:22.320 --> 00:26:23.976 understanding with vegan little and 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.135 citizen exchange. Any questions? 00:26:26.159 --> 00:26:28.135 Councilors 00:26:28.159 --> 00:26:30.696 council maiden happy to move. Second 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:33.720 council 00:26:33.760 --> 00:26:36.760 wish to speak to it. 00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.255 Um could I just speak very briefly? 00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:39.576 because 00:26:39.600 --> 00:26:41.015 I just don't want to let this go without 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:42.775 someone actually on the council pointing 00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:44.936 out that it's just one of the most 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.655 long-standing incredible relationships 00:26:47.679 --> 00:26:49.655 that I've come across and the people 00:26:49.679 --> 00:26:52.135 from Littleton were on the ABC radio the 00:26:52.159 --> 00:26:53.255 other day and they're still so 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.336 enthusiastic about actually keeping up 00:26:55.360 --> 00:26:58.360 this relationship with Bea. It's great. 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.960 Certainly is. They do 00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:03.976 through Mr. Mayor. I'll disclose that 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:05.176 there's someone in this room that 00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:06.696 actually did participate in that 00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:09.720 exchange sort of decades ago. 00:27:10.080 --> 00:27:13.080 Not bad. 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:16.535 Council name council neighbor. All those 00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:19.559 in favor carried unanimously. 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.296 8.6 reporting of minutes for committees 00:27:22.320 --> 00:27:24.535 and delegated authority and advisory 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:26.135 committees. The affordable housing 00:27:26.159 --> 00:27:28.775 implementation group minutes. I'd like 00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.336 to move the recommendation. 00:27:31.360 --> 00:27:34.360 Council N second council Noble 00:27:36.159 --> 00:27:39.159 those in favor carried unanimously 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.015 staff reports infrastructure 9.1 00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:46.039 requests for tender 202526-5 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.816 remd we had the two presentations today 00:27:49.840 --> 00:27:51.255 Mr. CEO 00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:53.416 it's Mr. Mayor, um I'll do this piece 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.440 first. I'll just um I'd like to change 00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:58.775 the staff recommendation to be that this 00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:01.576 item be deferred. And the reason for 00:28:01.600 --> 00:28:03.015 that is in line with some of the 00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:04.535 feedback that came through from the 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:07.336 deputations that 00:28:07.360 --> 00:28:09.015 it's part of it is that we need to do a 00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:12.039 better um engagement process on this 00:28:12.080 --> 00:28:14.375 before progressing any further. Um and 00:28:14.399 --> 00:28:16.936 then just after I throw that 00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:18.296 recommendation there, I do note that 00:28:18.320 --> 00:28:21.255 we've got declaration on this as well. 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:21.976 We 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:24.296 I think a couple of 00:28:24.320 --> 00:28:27.320 councelor you had a declaration council 00:28:27.520 --> 00:28:28.296 know 00:28:28.320 --> 00:28:30.856 yes I've declared a non-punary 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.336 non-significant um potential conflict of 00:28:33.360 --> 00:28:35.576 interest and that is because I will 00:28:35.600 --> 00:28:38.375 shortly become a director of the tri 00:28:38.399 --> 00:28:40.616 nonprofit company which operates in an 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:42.696 area that would be affected by traffic 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.720 changes perhaps. Um so I'll stay in the 00:28:45.760 --> 00:28:48.760 room and vote 00:28:49.120 --> 00:28:51.496 Mr. 00:28:51.520 --> 00:28:54.375 London decoration. Um I need to declare 00:28:54.399 --> 00:28:57.176 a non-significant interest um as I'm a 00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:59.976 business owner. I have a gym in Mimula 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:03.000 Drive but non-perc 00:29:07.120 --> 00:29:08.775 and 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.416 yeah Mr. Mayor and apologies for the 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.440 oversight. Um I also work in Mingilla 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.015 as well and um just for the record it 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:20.039 should be noted. Thank you. 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:23.255 say your recommendation is that the item 00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:25.576 be deferred and brought back to a 00:29:25.600 --> 00:29:28.600 further meeting after the consultation. 00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:30.056 Sorry, Mr. Mayor. At the moment, I just 00:29:30.080 --> 00:29:31.576 like my recommendation to be that the 00:29:31.600 --> 00:29:34.456 item be deferred. Um, and then there 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:35.976 will be a subsequent meeting where we 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.775 bring something back to council, but I 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:40.856 want some time to be clear on what that 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:41.976 recommendation would be. So, at the 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:43.576 moment, my recommendation is that we 00:29:43.600 --> 00:29:45.096 defer this item today. 00:29:45.120 --> 00:29:47.576 Thank you, Council Allen. Move it and 00:29:47.600 --> 00:29:50.600 second. Councelor Hager 00:29:51.679 --> 00:29:54.216 any questions councilors 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:55.816 there's any questions council do you 00:29:55.840 --> 00:29:58.840 wish to speak no speaker against the 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.255 motion all those in favor carried 00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:02.775 unanimously 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:05.799 item 9.2 to draft flood plane risk 00:30:05.919 --> 00:30:08.535 management study and plan. 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.559 just have a couple of questions. 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.456 Can't have meeting Andrew and I get away 00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.480 with a question. Um the plan the actual 00:30:17.679 --> 00:30:20.296 draft management plan brings some some 00:30:20.320 --> 00:30:22.456 rule issues for council's infrastructure 00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:24.216 that starts to talk about millions of 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:26.135 dollars of repairs and betterment on on 00:30:26.159 --> 00:30:29.096 some of our roads. um what obligations 00:30:29.120 --> 00:30:30.856 are on council once we've received this 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:32.775 report and adopted it to actually 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:34.856 implement those or because in our 00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:36.856 long-term financial plan we have no 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:39.576 implications to to manage how we we do 00:30:39.600 --> 00:30:41.015 this 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:43.176 through you Mr. Mayor um you're 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:45.816 correct none 00:30:45.840 --> 00:30:46.696 is that okay 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.216 want to hit your camera on your 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.240 okay 00:30:53.360 --> 00:30:55.096 through you Mr. Mayor, um you're 00:30:55.120 --> 00:30:56.456 correct in saying that none of the 00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.176 projects or actions identified in the in 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:01.336 the um flood plan risk management plan 00:31:01.360 --> 00:31:03.336 are included in the long-term financial 00:31:03.360 --> 00:31:06.360 plan plan currently. What these sorts of 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.775 um plans allow us to do though is they 00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.576 allow us to um present a coordinated 00:31:11.600 --> 00:31:13.336 approach for the actions identified to 00:31:13.360 --> 00:31:15.655 manage and mitigate risk. Um they also 00:31:15.679 --> 00:31:18.679 allow us to um apply for potential um 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:21.576 grant funding from from other other 00:31:21.600 --> 00:31:24.056 government bodies as well. So that 00:31:24.080 --> 00:31:25.576 that's what it's about. It's about 00:31:25.600 --> 00:31:27.816 identifying those actions that would be 00:31:27.840 --> 00:31:30.056 necessary to manage and mitigate risk. 00:31:30.080 --> 00:31:32.775 Um eliminate ad hoc development. That's 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:34.936 that's not what we want to see. Ad hoc 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:36.456 development could actually have a 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.176 detrimental impact on um on flood risk 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:41.976 if if it's not um coordinated. So that's 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:43.895 what we're trying to avoid. 00:31:43.919 --> 00:31:45.495 Thanks. 00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:47.736 There's any further questions? 00:31:47.760 --> 00:31:49.336 We have a recommendation. Someone like 00:31:49.360 --> 00:31:50.856 to move the recommendation that council 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:52.856 alarm place exhibited for not less than 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:55.880 28 days. Um 00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:57.655 and a further report be provided to 00:31:57.679 --> 00:32:00.679 council council Hager council daily. 00:32:01.840 --> 00:32:04.840 All those in favor carried unanimously 00:32:06.080 --> 00:32:09.080 9.3 bigger valley transport forum of the 00:32:09.120 --> 00:32:10.936 2nd of December the minutes held on 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:13.960 there. Council of recommendations there. 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.255 Someone like to move the recommendation. 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:21.736 I'll move the recommendation. 00:32:21.760 --> 00:32:24.760 Seconder council 00:32:25.120 --> 00:32:27.255 wish to speak to it. Council Hager just 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.176 quickly um while I'm moving this 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:32.200 recommendation um the both of these 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:34.616 issues regard concerns with the 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.176 community about speed limits and well 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.375 the second one's certainly about speed 00:32:38.399 --> 00:32:40.056 limits and traffic conditions in in 00:32:40.080 --> 00:32:41.655 their local community. I think there's 00:32:41.679 --> 00:32:43.336 an opportunity for council to do a lot 00:32:43.360 --> 00:32:45.816 more um in in our interface with 00:32:45.840 --> 00:32:47.176 communities and giving them an 00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:50.200 opportunity to speak. Um but as the as 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.736 the forum stands, this is just transport 00:32:53.760 --> 00:32:55.255 doing their work, councilors doing their 00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:57.255 work. I would like to in the future um 00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.176 bring back a discussion to this council 00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:01.176 about opportunities to allow community 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:02.856 to have a greater say in speed limits in 00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:04.775 their area and and and road conditions 00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.015 in their area. So 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.176 thanks Council. 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:10.535 I don't think anyone at the table 00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:12.775 disagrees with I don't think anyone at 00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.799 the table disagrees. 00:33:15.840 --> 00:33:18.840 All those in favor carried unanimously. 00:33:19.840 --> 00:33:22.135 Staff reports organizational services 00:33:22.159 --> 00:33:25.015 item 10.1 lease renewal for Tathra 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:26.936 Children's Services Incorporated. I have 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.960 a couple of questions in this 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.135 in the lease. It says the lease is to be 00:33:32.159 --> 00:33:34.056 registered. that says the registration 00:33:34.080 --> 00:33:37.080 of a lease to occur recently where we 00:33:37.120 --> 00:33:39.015 registered a lease for our community 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:41.416 group that incorporated rates because 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:43.096 they were the sole user. Now I don't 00:33:43.120 --> 00:33:44.616 think there's any other user at the task 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.096 for preschool. Will the registering of 00:33:47.120 --> 00:33:49.096 this lease and our agreement to it 00:33:49.120 --> 00:33:50.775 actually incorporate see the register 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:52.616 general's value the property because 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:55.495 they're the sole sole occupant as well 00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:58.519 and they'll be levied with rates 00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.495 through you Mr. Mayor. because 00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:03.576 Tarthra Preschool is actually on the 00:34:03.600 --> 00:34:06.296 same parcel of land as Lawrence Park, 00:34:06.320 --> 00:34:08.135 the subdivision is not financially 00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:11.159 viable and so the proposed lease area 00:34:11.200 --> 00:34:13.176 cannot be separately valued by the 00:34:13.200 --> 00:34:15.095 valuer general and therefore would not 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:18.119 be subject to the general adorum rates. 00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:20.135 We wouldn't register with land and 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:21.416 registry. 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.440 Thank you. Good to hear. 00:34:24.560 --> 00:34:27.176 Any other questions? 00:34:27.200 --> 00:34:28.696 The recommendation. Put the 00:34:28.720 --> 00:34:30.536 recommendation. Councelor Hager moved. 00:34:30.560 --> 00:34:33.095 Councelor Nadalia seconded. All those in 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.119 favor carried unanimously. Compulsory 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:37.736 acquisition transfer of residue road 00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:40.216 cabed. 00:34:40.240 --> 00:34:43.240 Questions. Councilors. 00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:48.936 Any questions councilors? I just have 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:50.216 one question around this. Well, you 00:34:50.240 --> 00:34:52.855 proved a subdivision just recently of 00:34:52.879 --> 00:34:55.655 new lots. Is the resumption in relation 00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:57.416 to that or is in relation to Mount Daryl 00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:59.335 Road? I was trying to identify on the 00:34:59.359 --> 00:35:02.359 maps where the actual one was whether it 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.256 was a road down in that they need for 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.016 the subdivision lots or whether it was 00:35:07.040 --> 00:35:09.256 the part on the air side of Mount Arrow 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.216 Road which was already required because 00:35:12.240 --> 00:35:14.216 it refers back to reports prior to our 00:35:14.240 --> 00:35:16.055 approval of the subdivision or the 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.079 planning proposal for the subdivision. 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.335 Can anyone answer 00:35:23.359 --> 00:35:25.736 through Mr. Mayor, from my perspective, 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:28.095 unless the director's got um different 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.376 [clears throat] advice, 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:33.176 I don't believe it was directly related 00:35:33.200 --> 00:35:36.200 to that subdivision. What I can't answer 00:35:36.560 --> 00:35:39.560 though is whether they had preemptively 00:35:39.839 --> 00:35:41.815 dealt with this prior to then going 00:35:41.839 --> 00:35:44.839 through that process later. 00:35:51.200 --> 00:35:52.616 Through you, Mr. Mayor, I've just 00:35:52.640 --> 00:35:54.936 received some advice. It is around Mount 00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.496 Dar Road and it's the road encroaching 00:35:57.520 --> 00:35:59.176 onto property 00:35:59.200 --> 00:36:00.296 property to the property. 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.055 It's not the road that the subdivision 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:04.055 needs to to build themselves to do the 00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:05.416 subdivision. It's the other part. 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:06.616 Yes. 00:36:06.640 --> 00:36:08.136 Thank you. That's the information I just 00:36:08.160 --> 00:36:09.256 needed to know. 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.280 But we have to pay them 36,000. 00:36:15.200 --> 00:36:16.536 Councilors have the recommendation 00:36:16.560 --> 00:36:18.616 there. I'm happy to move it. I've asked 00:36:18.640 --> 00:36:20.055 questions about it. There's no no all 00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.055 the alternative council Allen happy to 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:23.736 second. 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.815 All those in favor 00:36:25.839 --> 00:36:28.696 carried unanimously. Item 10.3 audit 00:36:28.720 --> 00:36:30.456 risk and improvement committee quarterly 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.055 report 00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.296 the meeting December 25. Any questions 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.136 councilors? 00:36:36.160 --> 00:36:39.160 Just Mr. Mayor really briefly has the 00:36:40.640 --> 00:36:43.640 process of recruiting new members for 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.760 the ARIC concluded and if so is there no 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:49.736 it hasn't concluded and I was going to 00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:51.496 say what was the take up was there was 00:36:51.520 --> 00:36:53.095 were we happy? 00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.016 Sure Mr. Mayor, I'll tell you what I can 00:36:55.040 --> 00:36:57.496 publicly disclose. The EI process has 00:36:57.520 --> 00:36:59.976 closed. We have received applications um 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.216 and we will be undertaking interviews 00:37:02.240 --> 00:37:03.976 before bringing a report back to 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.456 council. Um the intention being to hit 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.480 the February meeting. 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.880 Council second council daily. All those 00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.736 in favor will wish to speak. No, they 00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:19.496 don't need 00:37:19.520 --> 00:37:22.520 a new committee shortly. Speak then. 00:37:23.040 --> 00:37:24.456 Oh, [gasps] 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.480 all those in favor carried unanimously. 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.456 10.4 code of meeting practice 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.480 recommendation. 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:34.055 Question. 00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:35.496 Sorry, I have a question please. 00:37:35.520 --> 00:37:38.520 Yeah, you can support it. Um really I I 00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:40.456 guess to the CO and it it goes to the 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:43.480 matter that um a number of elements of 00:37:43.520 --> 00:37:46.520 this meeting practice has not been very 00:37:47.200 --> 00:37:50.055 well accepted by councilors in New South 00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.376 Wales. there was quite a negative 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.335 response to the minister at the local 00:37:55.359 --> 00:37:58.359 government conference um in relation to 00:37:58.560 --> 00:38:01.560 some items here and I wonder um because 00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:03.736 this code of meeting practice is sort of 00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:06.760 handed out and we're told you have to do 00:38:07.200 --> 00:38:10.200 this um if they're going to if the if 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.095 the minister or the office of local 00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:16.119 government wishes to mandate things that 00:38:16.240 --> 00:38:18.936 we have to do then shouldn't they be 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.095 doing that through a proper legislative 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:24.055 process with the checks and balances of 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:27.079 government and the MLC to review and 00:38:27.839 --> 00:38:30.839 pass um matters into law rather than as 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:35.400 an administrative process. Hey guys, you 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:37.256 have to make this law against 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.736 yourselves, make these rules against 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:42.760 yourselves even if you don't like it. 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.480 What do you want yours? 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.760 Yeah, it's extremely it's um 00:38:51.520 --> 00:38:53.656 You raised a few pertinent points here 00:38:53.680 --> 00:38:55.016 that are broader than just what we've 00:38:55.040 --> 00:38:57.496 got in front of us. So to help everyone 00:38:57.520 --> 00:39:00.520 understand this happens, we have a local 00:39:00.640 --> 00:39:02.536 government act that is the legislation 00:39:02.560 --> 00:39:04.216 that then refers to local government 00:39:04.240 --> 00:39:05.736 regulations and then the local 00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.055 government regulations refer to the 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:11.079 ability of the the minister or sometimes 00:39:11.680 --> 00:39:14.616 the OG CEO of the OG to do things like 00:39:14.640 --> 00:39:16.776 mandate guidelines that they tell us we 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.800 have to apply. So that's the um sort of 00:39:21.200 --> 00:39:23.896 the legal mechanisms they use. The point 00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:26.616 you're raising though about um is that 00:39:26.640 --> 00:39:29.640 realistically a good way to create rules 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.760 is a different question. Um and 00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:34.936 what we've got here in front of us is 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:36.936 just the government doing what they do 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.095 in in line with the rules that they've 00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:40.776 set up. I think there's a bigger 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.256 question that you're raising is should 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:44.856 our council or should local government 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.880 more generally do more advocacy on this 00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:50.456 mechanism not being an effective 00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.456 mechanism to make rules in the right 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:53.896 way. That's what I think you're pointing 00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:55.656 out there. I could be wrong. Um I don't 00:39:55.680 --> 00:39:57.416 disagree with what you're saying and 00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:58.856 even the fact that um the local 00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:00.456 government sector like you rightly 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.480 pointed out very strongly um with a vast 00:40:04.720 --> 00:40:07.416 majority was opposed to some of the 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.496 components in here. Lots were okay but 00:40:09.520 --> 00:40:11.016 some weren't but they still went ahead 00:40:11.040 --> 00:40:13.176 anyway. Um and and what's the real 00:40:13.200 --> 00:40:14.856 appeal mechanism over a minister 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:16.536 directing that down? There isn't really 00:40:16.560 --> 00:40:17.416 one. Yeah. 00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:20.055 So at the moment is 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.696 you have to adopt it. That's why 00:40:22.720 --> 00:40:25.095 you have we told you have to. So it's 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:26.616 already passed the lower house. All the 00:40:26.640 --> 00:40:28.055 amendments are already passed the lower 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:29.976 house. It's actually before the Senate 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.216 prior to Christmas. 00:40:32.240 --> 00:40:34.055 prior to the Christmas we worked 00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:35.575 together as country Mayors to have a 00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:37.095 deferred 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.256 um and not voted on in the upper house 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:41.575 to allow amendments to be prepared by 00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:43.896 certain parties to it. Um there are 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.216 several amendments proposed to the thing 00:40:46.240 --> 00:40:48.136 that allows a better representation and 00:40:48.160 --> 00:40:50.856 especially around video and link zoom 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.880 presentations for country um councils. 00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:55.976 Um hopefully there will be some 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:58.055 amendments come I think it's the 24th of 00:40:58.079 --> 00:40:59.656 February comes back. At the moment it's 00:40:59.680 --> 00:41:01.896 suspended in the upper house for debate 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.920 um on the greener Cohen's legislation 00:41:06.640 --> 00:41:08.616 and also we've had the local shadow 00:41:08.640 --> 00:41:10.055 local government minister country Mayors 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:11.496 have met with both the minister and the 00:41:11.520 --> 00:41:14.456 shadow minister on several occasions um 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.856 exactly explaining that you know the 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:18.295 difficulty of it and especially in 00:41:18.319 --> 00:41:20.376 country and regional areas. So hopefully 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:21.736 those some of those amendments that are 00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:23.335 proposed may come forward and it'll 00:41:23.359 --> 00:41:25.256 change and we'll be back here adopting a 00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:27.976 different legislation again in March. 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.856 So but we have to adopt what's pass the 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:32.536 lower house now otherwise we're not 00:41:32.560 --> 00:41:34.456 operating in code with the local 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.480 government act. So that's the way it is. 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.815 The recommendations there councilors I'd 00:41:41.839 --> 00:41:44.696 like to move council Hager council now 00:41:44.720 --> 00:41:46.696 those in favor 00:41:46.720 --> 00:41:49.720 carried 00:41:49.988 --> 00:41:51.575 [laughter] 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:52.856 it's not a vote against 00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.880 it's a vote against 00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:58.616 that's why we accept we didn't have any 00:41:58.640 --> 00:41:59.176 choice 00:41:59.200 --> 00:42:01.416 you don't you don't you don't have any 00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:02.776 choice 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:04.776 we have to act by we're here under the 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:06.055 local government act so we have to abide 00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:06.456 by it 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.416 Mr. Fair, just to clarify that point. If 00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:11.575 this council did not resolve to adopt a 00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:14.295 code of meeting practice by default, we 00:42:14.319 --> 00:42:16.216 then um 00:42:16.240 --> 00:42:18.776 no, it is the model code that you then 00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:21.016 adopt without the optional provisions in 00:42:21.040 --> 00:42:23.656 it. Yeah. So essentially they're saying 00:42:23.680 --> 00:42:25.095 we'll give you the choice to adopt it, 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:26.456 but if you don't adopt it, you have to 00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:29.480 apply it anyway. So Jeff 00:42:30.319 --> 00:42:33.319 against this we would be voting for way 00:42:34.240 --> 00:42:37.240 David's um amendments we have adopted. 00:42:38.720 --> 00:42:39.095 Okay. 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:40.295 Yeah. We wouldn't be able to accept 00:42:40.319 --> 00:42:41.496 those amendments. That's right. That 00:42:41.520 --> 00:42:43.176 we've already put in ourselves. 00:42:43.200 --> 00:42:44.776 Okay. Just before we finalize the vote 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.456 then 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:48.376 um we have modified the code to some 00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:49.815 extent because for instance we're not 00:42:49.839 --> 00:42:51.656 standing up to speak. So this is our 00:42:51.680 --> 00:42:52.536 code not. 00:42:52.560 --> 00:42:54.376 So we go back to that's what we'll have 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:54.936 to do. 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:55.815 Yeah. M 00:42:55.839 --> 00:42:57.416 the big one though of course was the 00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.440 premeating briefings um which is just 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:03.736 ridiculous and I'll just say that much 00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:06.760 there's been ways around it. 00:43:07.200 --> 00:43:09.575 All those in favor 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:11.736 quarterly budget review statement Mr. 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:14.456 CEO any questions councilors had a fair 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:16.376 few but I'll let others go first. 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:17.976 Um well I'll answer a very broad one 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:19.416 because you probably have more detailed 00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:21.976 one. Um we're about to head into our 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.376 budget process. 00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:26.295 um we've shifting some of our big 00:43:26.319 --> 00:43:28.856 capital projects into the next year's 00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:31.656 one. So would you out sort of outline 00:43:31.680 --> 00:43:33.736 the framework that you're using now that 00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.760 we have the December results um for 00:43:37.040 --> 00:43:39.496 next year's budget given that so much of 00:43:39.520 --> 00:43:41.496 our capital work now is going to be on 00:43:41.520 --> 00:43:42.856 projects we originally going to be well 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:44.856 underway this year and what that does to 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:46.456 particularly to our infrastructure 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.936 resources. 00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.736 Mr. I'll um I'll start by answering 00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:53.016 something a little bit more broad than 00:43:53.040 --> 00:43:54.536 that on the process we go through in 00:43:54.560 --> 00:43:57.560 preparing future year's budget. So this 00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:00.776 um end of this quarter data is the data 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.176 that we use to start informing next 00:44:03.200 --> 00:44:05.256 year's budget process because we we 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:06.536 can't project ahead what's going to be 00:44:06.560 --> 00:44:07.656 happening at the end of the third 00:44:07.680 --> 00:44:09.016 quarter. But ironically, by the time 00:44:09.040 --> 00:44:10.456 you're adopting a budget, you've got the 00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:12.616 third quarter data, which is why we 00:44:12.640 --> 00:44:14.696 there's always timing issues with what 00:44:14.720 --> 00:44:17.335 you're alluding to there though about um 00:44:17.359 --> 00:44:20.216 our we're already pushing certain things 00:44:20.240 --> 00:44:22.376 out into the next financial year. There 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:24.216 are some really big numbers in there um 00:44:24.240 --> 00:44:26.456 on specific projects that sort of skew a 00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.936 little bit how how it might um appear. 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.960 And for example, the Remula boardwalk 00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:33.416 project's an obvious one where we're 00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:35.496 pushing um off the top of my head, I 00:44:35.520 --> 00:44:37.976 think nine n Yeah. Yeah. into the new 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:41.000 financial year and that's um has 00:44:41.359 --> 00:44:42.856 partially been driven by a bit of a 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.176 delay we had through a negotiation 00:44:45.200 --> 00:44:47.176 process and then getting some approvals 00:44:47.200 --> 00:44:50.200 but we're confident in that one um and I 00:44:51.520 --> 00:44:53.176 know in W and SU in particular there's a 00:44:53.200 --> 00:44:55.815 few that we pushed out um into the next 00:44:55.839 --> 00:44:58.839 financial year partially because of 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.335 uncertainty around securing grant funds 00:45:01.359 --> 00:45:02.936 that we need and the Mayor's just shared 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:04.216 something with me that maybe there is a 00:45:04.240 --> 00:45:05.656 grant program open that will help with 00:45:05.680 --> 00:45:08.680 that and change the timing coming again. 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:11.976 So, and we are um and and I'll just say 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.000 this, we have had a few resource gaps um 00:45:16.319 --> 00:45:19.319 over the last 12 months within our 00:45:19.359 --> 00:45:22.359 project management area and we are um 00:45:23.200 --> 00:45:24.856 addressing some of those. We have a new 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:27.416 coordinator starting very soon. Um that 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:29.095 is a gap that we've carried for a long 00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:31.976 time. I know the counselors are aware of 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:33.496 um some of the structural changes we've 00:45:33.520 --> 00:45:35.095 had over the last 6 months has meant 00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:38.119 we've had people temporarily enroll. So 00:45:38.640 --> 00:45:40.456 in so we're getting more confident that 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:42.136 we will be able to deliver each year we 00:45:42.160 --> 00:45:43.815 go through this exercise we're refining 00:45:43.839 --> 00:45:45.335 the gaps and the numbers and it is 00:45:45.359 --> 00:45:47.256 improving but um as you rightly point 00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:49.416 out we do keep having these carryovers 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:51.736 and changes and some of them are within 00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:53.256 our control and some of them are very 00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:56.280 much approval external influence. It's 00:45:56.319 --> 00:45:59.016 not a straightforward answer. 00:45:59.040 --> 00:46:00.936 Council N. 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:02.936 Um yeah, thank you. Just um if you can 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:04.936 comment on the expenses increased by 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.960 1.4, employee costs increased by.3, so 00:46:08.640 --> 00:46:11.095 300,000, materials and services 00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:13.416 increased by 1.1 million. If you could 00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.656 comment on that increase and what it was 00:46:15.680 --> 00:46:18.680 for. 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.696 I might we do have our finance manager 00:46:22.720 --> 00:46:24.776 online here. She's not in the room. Um 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:26.456 Judy, I don't know if you're there and 00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:28.456 able to jump in with some detail on 00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:31.416 that, but the the only thing I'll um 00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:32.936 caution and this is where it gets a 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:34.536 little bit hard to follow is some of the 00:46:34.560 --> 00:46:36.536 places where you see an increase in 00:46:36.560 --> 00:46:38.536 expense, there's a correlating increase 00:46:38.560 --> 00:46:40.536 in a revenue source to match some of 00:46:40.560 --> 00:46:43.176 that too. Judy, are you able to um 00:46:43.200 --> 00:46:45.176 provide any more detail on what that 00:46:45.200 --> 00:46:47.976 looks like? It's in the um executive 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:49.335 summary there that I think council 00:46:49.359 --> 00:46:50.776 Nton's referring to with the employee 00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.416 benefits and on costs up by.3 and the 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:55.496 materials and services increasing by 00:46:55.520 --> 00:46:58.055 1.1. 00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:00.376 Yeah. Included in the um employee 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:02.776 increases are workers compensation 00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:05.800 premium increase. These are included in 00:47:06.160 --> 00:47:08.776 pay they're not page numbered. We 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:10.136 have a separate sheet within the 00:47:10.160 --> 00:47:12.216 document that provides some details of 00:47:12.240 --> 00:47:15.240 those changes. Um so employee burn of 00:47:15.520 --> 00:47:18.520 benefits had a workers comp increase 00:47:19.040 --> 00:47:22.040 based on our premium and which is based 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:26.440 on our claims history and our wages 00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.055 figure. There's been redistribution of 00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:33.079 some money. There's been increases in um 00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.280 suridge for to align with historical 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:38.936 spending on some of the assets that we 00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:41.575 hold in that area. Um and the waste 00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:43.256 contract, there's been some changes in 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.335 the waste contract area, materials and 00:47:45.359 --> 00:47:48.359 contracts. 00:47:48.640 --> 00:47:50.616 That's estimate to the end of this year, 00:47:50.640 --> 00:47:52.856 those changes. 00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:54.936 So true, Mr. May. Just to add that um 00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:57.960 detail being referred to is on page 448 00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.280 of the electronic version. Oh, it is 448 00:48:02.319 --> 00:48:03.976 of the business paper. Breaks that down 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:06.456 into a bit further detail. 00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.095 That now um Mr. Mr. Mayor, just to 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:11.815 follow up cuz I I understood that that 00:48:11.839 --> 00:48:14.456 was regarding Bigger Sports Ground. So 00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:16.295 that's not No, 00:48:16.319 --> 00:48:17.335 sorry. No, 00:48:17.359 --> 00:48:17.896 that's separate. 00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:19.256 No, through Mr. Mayor, very very 00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:21.736 different. That's um operating expenses. 00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:23.335 The project you're talking about is a 00:48:23.359 --> 00:48:26.359 capital expense. 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:27.896 The biggest sporting complex is a 00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:29.496 capital expense. The line you read is 00:48:29.520 --> 00:48:30.295 operating. 00:48:30.319 --> 00:48:32.295 Y that's exactly where I'm going. 00:48:32.319 --> 00:48:33.976 council not 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:35.896 and to answer to answer where you can 00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:37.976 find the information that you um are 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.000 asking about there if you go to page 4 00:48:41.359 --> 00:48:43.575 52 and 453 00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:46.599 is where the detail on capital 00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:49.656 um variations are. So that's the detail 00:48:49.680 --> 00:48:52.680 that explains where they're at. 00:48:54.160 --> 00:48:55.656 You wanted more information. You're 00:48:55.680 --> 00:48:57.815 getting it. 00:48:57.839 --> 00:49:00.295 452. 00:49:00.319 --> 00:49:01.496 Yeah. page 00:49:01.520 --> 00:49:04.136 51 in the spreadsheet. Is that right? 00:49:04.160 --> 00:49:05.575 And 452. 00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.295 The detail the detail. Yeah. Yeah. The 00:49:08.319 --> 00:49:11.256 detail changes of um what's feeding the 00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:14.280 Excel tables are in page 452 and 453. 00:49:15.040 --> 00:49:17.095 That's where the notes are. 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:18.776 So my question relates to the Bega 00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:20.136 Sporting Complex. Now that we're on to 00:49:20.160 --> 00:49:21.575 capital and the extra million dollar 00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:23.976 allocation, um everyone's asking when 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:25.496 it'll be completed. Is the million 00:49:25.520 --> 00:49:27.016 dollar allocation sufficient to make 00:49:27.040 --> 00:49:30.040 sure we would get to handover stage? 00:49:30.640 --> 00:49:33.640 Yeah. Three, Mr. Mayor, based on our um 00:49:34.319 --> 00:49:35.896 current forward projections and what we 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:37.815 know of variations that have been dealt 00:49:37.839 --> 00:49:39.176 with on the project to date, that should 00:49:39.200 --> 00:49:41.256 be adequate, which is why we're um we're 00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:42.856 recommending that figure. It is due to 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:44.535 be completed this financial year well 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.256 and truly. Um we have had some 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:50.055 variations throughout the project that 00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:52.136 that we've had to deal with, which is 00:49:52.160 --> 00:49:53.896 why we're making this recommendation. 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:55.176 Now, 00:49:55.200 --> 00:49:56.856 Mr. Mayor, just to be clear, it's not on 00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.575 page 452. 00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:00.216 453 00:50:00.240 --> 00:50:01.256 453 down the 00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:03.335 453 that one specifically 00:50:03.359 --> 00:50:04.696 that one specifically is a million 00:50:04.720 --> 00:50:07.720 dollars need on 453 below the 9.7 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:11.079 withdrawal of Mimula board 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:13.016 the two lines 00:50:13.040 --> 00:50:15.416 two lines two lines explained 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.136 all right 00:50:18.160 --> 00:50:20.776 council any further questions 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:23.800 recommendation councilors 00:50:23.839 --> 00:50:26.216 quarterly budget be noted 00:50:26.240 --> 00:50:28.936 review one more question yeah Yeah. 00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:31.095 Um I understand that our chief financial 00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:34.119 officer has signed off [music] as the 00:50:34.720 --> 00:50:37.720 financial position being satisfactory. 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.055 Um I just wondered if through the Mayor 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:42.216 if the co could comment on our cash 00:50:42.240 --> 00:50:44.936 position through the year. I just looked 00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:46.136 at the amount that is actually 00:50:46.160 --> 00:50:47.656 restricted. 00:50:47.680 --> 00:50:49.496 Um I'm assuming that we will have to 00:50:49.520 --> 00:50:51.656 manage our cash pretty carefully between 00:50:51.680 --> 00:50:54.680 here and June 30. 00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:56.936 You just going to reply Judy or 00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:59.960 yourself? 00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.216 Um, unless Judy wants to add something 00:51:02.240 --> 00:51:04.936 in addition, I'll just say that we um, 00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:06.721 at the moment projecting for don't have 00:51:06.745 --> 00:51:07.335 [music] 00:51:07.359 --> 00:51:09.256 too many concerns with our end of year 00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:11.176 cash position at the moment. Um, and in 00:51:11.200 --> 00:51:12.936 our long-term financial plan, it starts 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:14.856 to get out into future years where cash 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:16.376 becomes a problem. At the moment, we're 00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:19.400 okay though. 00:51:23.680 --> 00:51:26.616 I'd like to move recommendation 00:51:26.640 --> 00:51:29.640 council second councelor daily all those 00:51:30.160 --> 00:51:32.055 in favor 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:34.856 generously 10.6 Six certificate of 00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.880 investments to council. Any questions 00:51:40.640 --> 00:51:42.616 no questions council council daily happy 00:51:42.640 --> 00:51:45.640 to move second council noble. All those 00:51:46.319 --> 00:51:49.319 in favor carried generously item 11.1 st 00:51:51.680 --> 00:51:54.456 precinct council medalia. 00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:56.216 Thank you Mr. Mayor. I'm just again 00:51:56.240 --> 00:51:59.240 declaring a pecunary interest as I am 00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:01.016 employed in the role of tourism manager 00:52:01.040 --> 00:52:02.456 at the Eden local aberiginal land 00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:04.295 council. So once again I will leave the 00:52:04.319 --> 00:52:05.815 chamber while this matter is heard. 00:52:05.839 --> 00:52:08.839 Thank you. 00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.440 Thanks 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.800 questions. councilors. 00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.616 Mr. C, we had the previous memorandum 00:52:30.640 --> 00:52:33.335 understanding that with a master plan 00:52:33.359 --> 00:52:35.976 for the Snug Cove area. Obviously, land 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:37.896 ownership has changed on the Stug Cave 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:39.496 precinct to what we were dealing with 00:52:39.520 --> 00:52:42.055 then. How will we address those land 00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.079 changes through this memorandum? 00:52:45.520 --> 00:52:48.520 Tr Mr. there. I'm not quite sure if 00:52:49.040 --> 00:52:50.616 you're alluding to earlier earlier 00:52:50.640 --> 00:52:53.256 earlier that we had back when there was 00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.280 um precinct master plans done way back 00:52:56.640 --> 00:52:58.535 before the um 00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:00.696 yes whether you what what has happened 00:53:00.720 --> 00:53:02.696 more recently is we've had anou in place 00:53:02.720 --> 00:53:04.776 with transport for New South Wales which 00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:06.616 has been about progressing um in 00:53:06.640 --> 00:53:08.535 particular the marina development and 00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:10.456 the landside associated with that that 00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.936 transport have responsibility for manage 00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:15.960 managing in more recent discussions 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.216 um that have involved the local 00:53:18.240 --> 00:53:21.095 Aboriginal land council who now have 00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:22.856 ownership of what I'll simply describe 00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:25.496 as the old marine discovery center site. 00:53:25.520 --> 00:53:27.416 They're interested in being involved in 00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:30.295 any landing and consideration of future 00:53:30.319 --> 00:53:32.295 redevelopment of that area. So, this is 00:53:32.319 --> 00:53:35.319 this is about um including them as a 00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:37.095 party to what we've sort of been having 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:38.376 in place. 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.535 Yes. Yes. With um transport and council 00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:42.776 that have been working together since 00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:44.856 October 23. 00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:47.656 Okay. Any further questions councils? 00:53:47.680 --> 00:53:50.295 Someone like to move the recommendation 00:53:50.319 --> 00:53:53.319 council council no all those in favor 00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:57.256 carried unously 11.2 actions from 00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.416 resolutions of council progress report 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.335 questions councilors 00:54:01.359 --> 00:54:04.359 no hang on wait sorry 00:54:04.720 --> 00:54:05.815 11.2 too old. 00:54:05.839 --> 00:54:08.839 Yeah, but wait for CL to come. 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:24.280 Yeah, this morning after the IT man come 00:54:24.319 --> 00:54:27.319 to the office. 00:54:28.640 --> 00:54:31.640 Council, welcome back. Item 11.2 actions 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:34.216 from resolutions of council. Questions? 00:54:34.240 --> 00:54:36.055 Councilors, councelor Nur, you have 00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:36.535 some. 00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.256 Um, I want to raise two issues, but so 00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:41.736 for the first question, this one, um, 00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:44.760 it's on page five of 21 of the info 00:54:45.200 --> 00:54:48.200 council link from report 11.2, 00:54:48.720 --> 00:54:50.776 and it is about the review of the 00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:52.616 desired future character statement for 00:54:52.640 --> 00:54:54.216 Mimula 00:54:54.240 --> 00:54:55.896 with the implications for the local 00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:57.416 strategic planning statement and our 00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.376 review of the DCP and the urban renewal 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:03.400 project continuation. And the reason I 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:06.535 want to ask is after seeing some of the 00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:08.776 other stuff on the agenda, I note that 00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:11.736 on the 26th of November, the head of 00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:13.736 planning put in a note saying the 00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:16.760 project is on hold due to strategic 00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:20.119 planning constraints. So I suppose my 00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:22.055 question is if that's what's happening 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.055 in planning, 00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:25.496 what is going on over in our 00:55:25.520 --> 00:55:27.256 infrastructure area where they seem to 00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:29.575 be going ahead with some projects that 00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:32.599 would surely be relating to the future 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:35.016 character statement for marine and the 00:55:35.040 --> 00:55:37.016 urban renewal project. So what's the 00:55:37.040 --> 00:55:39.335 coordination going on? What's likely to 00:55:39.359 --> 00:55:41.256 happen to that project? And I noticed 00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:44.280 that was from a council resolution of 00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:47.559 May in 24. 00:55:50.799 --> 00:55:53.736 You Mr. Mayor, um, from a resourcing 00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:55.496 perspective, we've had some vacancies in 00:55:55.520 --> 00:55:58.520 the strategic planning team. So, um, the 00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:00.856 comment that it's on hold due to 00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:02.295 resource constraints is because we've 00:56:02.319 --> 00:56:04.055 just have had staffing gaps. We haven't 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:05.496 been able to recruit into those 00:56:05.520 --> 00:56:08.376 positions yet. Um we have just appointed 00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:11.400 a um contractor um for the next six 00:56:12.319 --> 00:56:13.976 months to help us kick some of that 00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:16.456 strategic planning work back off. Um 00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:18.295 it's definitely you know still in our 00:56:18.319 --> 00:56:19.496 work plan and still something we will 00:56:19.520 --> 00:56:21.496 pick back up when we have the resources 00:56:21.520 --> 00:56:23.896 available. I don't know if the CEO wants 00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:26.920 to add about crossover. 00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:28.936 So Mr. May just to add to that bit I do 00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.095 know that we we did have a successful 00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:33.176 recruitment process for a strategic plan 00:56:33.200 --> 00:56:34.456 but after we offered the role they 00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:37.480 withdrew. So that's sort of we were down 00:56:37.520 --> 00:56:39.896 the track with that in terms of the 00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.920 coordination um piece. It is there is 00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.496 definitely discussion happening with the 00:56:47.520 --> 00:56:49.656 planning team and the infrastructure 00:56:49.680 --> 00:56:51.016 team that are looking at that project 00:56:51.040 --> 00:56:53.416 together and we've talked about this 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:55.736 quite a bit. Um we've got lots of 00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:57.815 chicken and egg things that happen in 00:56:57.839 --> 00:56:59.656 the planning space and the delivery 00:56:59.680 --> 00:57:01.976 place. And if you um recall the reason 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:04.216 we are talking about the marula CBD at 00:57:04.240 --> 00:57:06.696 all at the moment is because we did get 00:57:06.720 --> 00:57:09.656 a um federal funding commitment come 00:57:09.680 --> 00:57:11.416 through that was a grant that we're 00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:13.575 delivering. So, we've got time 00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:15.095 constraints around doing something with 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:16.775 that. And that's partially why we've 00:57:16.799 --> 00:57:19.736 been trying to um work through what are 00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:21.575 the changes that can happen now that 00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.976 don't necessarily jeopardize any 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:25.896 long-term potential future character 00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:27.176 changes. And we've talked about how 00:57:27.200 --> 00:57:28.535 there's some significant private 00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:30.616 development that 00:57:30.640 --> 00:57:33.496 has already initiated some changes in 00:57:33.520 --> 00:57:36.376 what council's previous planning 00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:39.256 controls were in the CBD. So the um 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:40.535 limit increase there and we've talked 00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:42.055 about how we need to integrate that with 00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:45.079 any work that happens now. So so what 00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.016 I'm alluding to is internally we are 00:57:47.040 --> 00:57:48.616 having those discussions about how the 00:57:48.640 --> 00:57:51.416 things interact but if we wait for one 00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:53.656 thing to lead the other and then nothing 00:57:53.680 --> 00:57:55.335 happens because we haven't got funding 00:57:55.359 --> 00:57:57.736 to deliver on any of the LSPS potential 00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:00.136 changes then by the time we might get 00:58:00.160 --> 00:58:01.736 funding to do changes again we might be 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:03.416 reviewing the LSPS again which is 00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:04.535 essentially where we're at now. or 00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:06.616 midcycle 00:58:06.640 --> 00:58:09.496 um or later than midcycle in the LSPS 00:58:09.520 --> 00:58:11.016 review process, but the money's here 00:58:11.040 --> 00:58:13.656 now. 00:58:13.680 --> 00:58:16.680 Council Her, I just add for um not so 00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:19.335 much a question, but just a comment 00:58:19.359 --> 00:58:22.216 about urgency um shade trees in our in 00:58:22.240 --> 00:58:25.240 our um towns and the heat island 00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:27.656 effect. I just remind everyone in the 00:58:27.680 --> 00:58:29.736 room that um we've just had record 00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:32.760 temperatures across um northwestern 00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:34.856 Victoria. They they were expected to hit 00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:36.376 50 this week. They didn't quite. They 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:39.400 hit um just under 49 degrees. Um the the 00:58:41.839 --> 00:58:44.616 we haven't seen the allocation of the 00:58:44.640 --> 00:58:47.095 attribute attribute attribution of that 00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:48.775 to climate change yet, but we probably 00:58:48.799 --> 00:58:51.256 will. We know that um we are looking at 00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:54.280 more um heat waves more often. Um that's 00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:57.656 what the sciences are telling us that's 00:58:57.680 --> 00:58:59.656 going to happen. And the best ant or one 00:58:59.680 --> 00:59:01.256 of the best antidotes to those in our 00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:03.256 communities is more shade trees. So just 00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:06.280 to inject that urgency into the 00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:09.176 another question. 00:59:09.200 --> 00:59:11.256 Okay. Following on from councelor 00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:14.216 Hagar's um mention the tree shade that 00:59:14.240 --> 00:59:16.856 is actually I think a reference to 00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:19.335 another point in this 11.2 two in which 00:59:19.359 --> 00:59:21.736 the tree shade 00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.760 um project which was agreed by council 00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:27.960 on the 12th of June 2024 00:59:28.799 --> 00:59:31.575 is currently according on the 26th of 00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:33.656 November again from the head of planning 00:59:33.680 --> 00:59:36.216 a project on hold due to strategic 00:59:36.240 --> 00:59:39.240 planning resource issues and in relation 00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.016 to Mima I just wanted to ask whether you 00:59:43.040 --> 00:59:45.016 get comments like this because my 00:59:45.040 --> 00:59:47.095 visitors this summer have been saying no 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:48.696 trees and mimula 00:59:48.720 --> 00:59:50.775 um which is supposed to be a pleasant 00:59:50.799 --> 00:59:52.856 environment for both visitors and 00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:54.696 locals. So I just wonder whether this 00:59:54.720 --> 00:59:56.535 has entered into your thinking about 00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:58.216 actually what does happen in the CBD 00:59:58.240 --> 01:00:00.055 there even though this project is 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:03.016 apparently on hold. 01:00:03.040 --> 01:00:05.416 So through you Mr. Mayor um the tree 01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:08.440 straight tree shade strategy work is 01:00:09.200 --> 01:00:11.896 much broader than Mumbula. looking um 01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:14.376 you know yes definitely much broader um 01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:17.095 and again it's on hold like I said just 01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:19.416 because of those resourcing constraints 01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:21.496 um the reason it hasn't moved as quickly 01:00:21.520 --> 01:00:23.416 as some other projects in the strategic 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:26.440 planning space um in constraints is 01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:28.856 because pulling together the project 01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:30.456 brief for the tree shade project is 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:31.896 slightly more complex than some of the 01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:34.055 other projects that we could easily just 01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:36.216 I guess um pull together a quick brief 01:00:36.240 --> 01:00:38.216 send it out to a consultant in this case 01:00:38.240 --> 01:00:39.416 we're trying to pull together a few 01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:40.856 different actions from across a few 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:42.775 different strategies to make this tree 01:00:42.799 --> 01:00:45.799 shade project um complete and and 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.376 worthwhile and really meaty. Um so it's 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:49.815 taken us a bit longer to pull together 01:00:49.839 --> 01:00:51.736 the the brief and then that's been 01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:53.736 impacted by those vacancies. So it's 01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:55.656 definitely still um we've got budget set 01:00:55.680 --> 01:00:58.136 aside in the current financial year's 01:00:58.160 --> 01:01:00.856 budget for a consultant to do that work. 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.335 So that was um earmarked for this 01:01:03.359 --> 01:01:05.496 financial year. We're hoping that we can 01:01:05.520 --> 01:01:06.856 still get to it. We've still got half 01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:09.095 the financial year to go. Um I just 01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:11.656 really wanted to be transparent that our 01:01:11.680 --> 01:01:13.896 resourcing um constraints are impacting 01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:15.656 the timeliness of us delivering some of 01:01:15.680 --> 01:01:18.680 these actions. 01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:21.815 Um well one project I noticed from the 01:01:21.839 --> 01:01:24.136 same report that apparently has 01:01:24.160 --> 01:01:26.376 proceeded to the cons consultancy is 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:28.136 native forest logging on private land 01:01:28.160 --> 01:01:30.376 one. So, if you could just update us on 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:32.936 who the consultant is, Glide Consulting, 01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:34.775 that is apparently doing a scoping work 01:01:34.799 --> 01:01:37.496 on that. 01:01:37.520 --> 01:01:39.496 Three, Mr. Mayor. Um, I don't have the 01:01:39.520 --> 01:01:41.976 full details like right in front of me 01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:43.335 right now. I can give you more 01:01:43.359 --> 01:01:45.575 information on that. Um, but in terms of 01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:47.656 timing, that was one that was a really 01:01:47.680 --> 01:01:49.736 simple brief. The brief was clear. It 01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:50.936 was something after the council 01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:52.295 resolution, there was budget attached. 01:01:52.319 --> 01:01:54.295 We could just um, you know, get it 01:01:54.319 --> 01:01:56.136 straight off, quick brief, get it out 01:01:56.160 --> 01:01:57.736 the door and get consultants working on 01:01:57.760 --> 01:01:59.815 it. it wasn't taking much staff time. So 01:01:59.839 --> 01:02:01.976 that's why that one has moved what 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:03.815 appears to be more quickly than tree 01:02:03.839 --> 01:02:06.839 shade for example. 01:02:07.680 --> 01:02:09.575 Council 01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:11.335 Mr. Mayor um happy if you want to take 01:02:11.359 --> 01:02:13.575 this one on notice but on page three of 01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:16.599 the um open items was the motion back in 01:02:17.040 --> 01:02:20.040 April last year about EV charges. Um and 01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:24.936 I did take note that the last comment 01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:27.496 regarding that matter I believe was 01:02:27.520 --> 01:02:30.520 in July where it was mentioned a few 01:02:30.720 --> 01:02:31.656 different things but one of the things 01:02:31.680 --> 01:02:32.856 mentioned was having a meeting with 01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:34.856 procurement next week to discuss and set 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.880 up an EOI and the vendor panel. 01:02:38.319 --> 01:02:41.319 Just wondering if there was any sort of 01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:44.599 more update on where that one was at 01:02:44.799 --> 01:02:47.335 completely understanding the staffing 01:02:47.359 --> 01:02:48.936 issues previously mentioned as well. 01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:50.295 page council daily 01:02:50.319 --> 01:02:52.216 page three on the 01:02:52.240 --> 01:02:52.936 open 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:54.616 there's been other discussion the C 01:02:54.640 --> 01:02:56.535 might want to elaborate on 01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:59.559 your microphone 01:02:59.680 --> 01:03:01.256 miss I can't find exactly where it is 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:03.656 but I do know the latest update and I'm 01:03:03.680 --> 01:03:04.936 going to look over there at the manager 01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:06.456 I believe we're bringing a report back 01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:09.416 fairly soon to council on the outcomes 01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:12.440 of an EOI process that we um went to 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:15.176 market with for 01:03:15.200 --> 01:03:17.736 um essentially private providers to 01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:20.295 partner with council at identified sites 01:03:20.319 --> 01:03:22.936 that we've previously talked about and 01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:24.456 my understanding is that there's some 01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:26.535 interest. Um I just I haven't got the 01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:27.656 report yet to see what it's 01:03:27.680 --> 01:03:29.015 recommending. In parallel to that 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:30.456 though, the um New South Wales 01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:31.896 government are actually doing an inquiry 01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:34.616 into EV charging infrastructure and the 01:03:34.640 --> 01:03:36.295 director and I will be speaking at that 01:03:36.319 --> 01:03:38.616 next month to provide some insights from 01:03:38.640 --> 01:03:41.640 um a community like ours what what our 01:03:42.720 --> 01:03:45.015 some of our challenges opportunities um 01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:46.696 who should do what are. And just to give 01:03:46.720 --> 01:03:49.015 you an idea, one of the things they are 01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:51.896 interested in is looking to the future 01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:54.616 for heavy vehicle EV charging 01:03:54.640 --> 01:03:55.815 infrastructure as well and what that 01:03:55.839 --> 01:03:57.416 might look like. Um, and I think we will 01:03:57.440 --> 01:03:59.575 be able to share some 01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:02.456 observations that some of the planners 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:05.335 involved in thinking about heavy vehicle 01:04:05.359 --> 01:04:06.856 EV 01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:08.696 infrastructure may not think about like 01:04:08.720 --> 01:04:10.535 what distance means and the fact that 01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:12.696 they're not like a car. Heavy vehicles 01:04:12.720 --> 01:04:14.775 aren't like a car where you can have it 01:04:14.799 --> 01:04:16.696 at a depot overnight, 01:04:16.720 --> 01:04:17.256 right? 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:19.335 Drive 100ks and then drive back in again 01:04:19.359 --> 01:04:20.936 in the end of the day, our heavy plant 01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:23.815 gets floated around the place and unless 01:04:23.839 --> 01:04:25.496 we've got mobile EV charging 01:04:25.520 --> 01:04:26.936 infrastructure, that sort of stuff 01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:29.960 becomes really challenging. So yeah, the 01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:31.736 upshot being we are we are definitely 01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:33.095 progressing that. I only had a 01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:34.456 conversation Andrew and I had a 01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:36.616 conversation with Pete Wild um this week 01:04:36.640 --> 01:04:38.775 and he's there's a report imminent to 01:04:38.799 --> 01:04:40.775 come back. 01:04:40.799 --> 01:04:42.616 Further questions councilors 01:04:42.640 --> 01:04:44.856 recommendation one two and three someone 01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:46.936 like to move councelor Hager second 01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:49.815 council medallia all those in favor 01:04:49.839 --> 01:04:52.839 carried unanimously 01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:54.696 no counselor thoughts there's no 01:04:54.720 --> 01:04:57.656 recision alterations notions a motion 01:04:57.680 --> 01:04:59.896 councelor O'Neil is a second for 01:04:59.920 --> 01:05:02.295 councelor O'Neil's motion 01:05:02.319 --> 01:05:05.319 council daily council over to you 01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:08.760 um I I wanted to put this for a vote by 01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:11.976 all nine council ers partly because just 01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:14.456 before the onslaught of tourists arrive 01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:16.376 I went around my local one it was 01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.400 looking brilliant everything beautifully 01:05:19.599 --> 01:05:21.256 in place and I know that in the other 01:05:21.280 --> 01:05:23.815 towns the same has been happening I 01:05:23.839 --> 01:05:26.775 wasn't immediately aware but actually 01:05:26.799 --> 01:05:28.376 there's also all the people that were 01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:30.295 making sure the water worked properly 01:05:30.319 --> 01:05:32.936 who gave up holidays to get everything 01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:35.656 ready and deal with the heavy load that 01:05:35.680 --> 01:05:37.736 we put on our infrastructure with 01:05:37.760 --> 01:05:40.216 tourism so I wanted to say thank you 01:05:40.240 --> 01:05:41.976 very much for all of those that have 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:45.000 made this year's work so far um work so 01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:48.039 well and and just say thank you. 01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:52.039 Thanks C. Any other speaker against 01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:56.055 the motion? All those in favor carried 01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:58.376 unanimously. 01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:00.456 Answers to questions with notice 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:02.696 councilors 01:06:02.720 --> 01:06:05.720 53 from council. Question with without 01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:08.760 notice from councelor daily reply. 01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:13.000 No confidential business. Councilor's 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:15.015 questions without notice. Any other 01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.575 questions without notice? Councilors. 01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:19.815 Council Dalia. 01:06:19.839 --> 01:06:21.896 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I've recently 01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:23.176 had it brought to my attention there 01:06:23.200 --> 01:06:24.856 have been several accidents and 01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:27.416 incidents over the summer period at the 01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:29.656 intersection of Coal Street and Mitchell 01:06:29.680 --> 01:06:32.216 Streets in Eden. Can staff please advise 01:06:32.240 --> 01:06:33.976 how best to have the safety of the 01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:36.696 intersection reviewed and investigate 01:06:36.720 --> 01:06:38.535 any potential safety improvements that 01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:40.535 can be made? 01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:43.559 Um, if I may, I've um referred this 01:06:43.839 --> 01:06:46.216 matter already through um contacts that 01:06:46.240 --> 01:06:49.240 were made with me to the traffic forum 01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:52.599 for the 3rd of February meeting 01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:55.815 next week. 01:06:55.839 --> 01:06:58.839 , next Tuesday. Y 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:02.936 M just to add to that um the local 01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:05.736 traffic forum is one mechanism a very 01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:07.656 important mechanism but in the meantime 01:07:07.680 --> 01:07:10.680 our staff can do some investigations um 01:07:11.680 --> 01:07:14.680 on that intersection itself and um one 01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:18.136 of the things I did in some discussions 01:07:18.160 --> 01:07:19.736 point out and I don't know where you got 01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:21.575 your um feedback from either council 01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:23.095 porter it's important that if people are 01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:24.535 aware of crashes happening that they 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:26.216 report them to the police so that data 01:07:26.240 --> 01:07:27.815 gets captured so that we and then use 01:07:27.839 --> 01:07:30.839 that to assist in applying for grant 01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:32.456 funding to make improvements. And that's 01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:33.736 something we often find as a challenge 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:36.376 is we anecdotally hear about accidents 01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:38.136 go try and mount a business case for 01:07:38.160 --> 01:07:40.856 funding to make it safer and because 01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:43.176 transport can't see evidence of crashes 01:07:43.200 --> 01:07:45.015 we you know so so that's a piece of 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:46.456 general feedback to get out there 01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:49.480 I think councelor Porter was at a police 01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:50.936 meeting just recently where we were 01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:52.055 provided with some stats from the 01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:54.696 district commander and we're all amazed 01:07:54.720 --> 01:07:56.216 at how low the stats were but it's 01:07:56.240 --> 01:07:58.696 because people don't actually report and 01:07:58.720 --> 01:08:00.936 he you know they can't be included so it 01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:02.616 gives us a false economy in some ways if 01:08:02.640 --> 01:08:05.640 they don't report them. 01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:07.815 Oh yeah, just based on 01:08:07.839 --> 01:08:10.839 wombats. That's right. Um just based on 01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.480 the the um deputations given this 01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:18.695 morning regarding you know it's a bit of 01:08:18.719 --> 01:08:21.096 a boring question but parking in in 01:08:21.120 --> 01:08:23.096 Mimul just got me thinking like as part 01:08:23.120 --> 01:08:25.255 of the process 01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:26.616 that we're doing at the moment with 01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:29.335 trials of parking of traffic of all this 01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:32.359 stuff. Do we have do we have goals of 01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:36.920 or or like long-term plans for numbers 01:08:38.480 --> 01:08:41.480 of parking in different parts of Mimula? 01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:44.135 So like aspirationally 01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:45.815 you know cuz we did a transport study 01:08:45.839 --> 01:08:48.839 for instance do did that say in this 01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:51.815 area for instance like if it's Alice 01:08:51.839 --> 01:08:53.815 Street or if it's Palmer or up the top 01:08:53.839 --> 01:08:56.839 of town there should be number of parks. 01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:58.856 The reason why I'm asking this is 01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:01.880 because we did 10 years ago we did a 01:09:02.799 --> 01:09:05.799 parking audit of Mimula um and those 01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:09.335 figures were then a lot's changed um as 01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:11.496 you would know in 10 years is it 01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:14.520 proposed to do that to go through that 01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:17.560 process as part of this to establish 01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:19.655 what the number is that we want where we 01:09:19.679 --> 01:09:22.056 want them in town and whether you know a 01:09:22.080 --> 01:09:24.536 net increase or a net decrease was 01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:26.695 needed. Mr. 01:09:26.719 --> 01:09:29.719 Yeah. Three, Mr. Mayor. The answer to um 01:09:30.480 --> 01:09:33.175 I'll answer that in a couple of bits. Do 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.976 we have a target for parking? The answer 01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:38.536 to that is no. And the reason for that 01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:41.560 is the need for parking based on traffic 01:09:41.679 --> 01:09:43.576 generation today could change 01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:45.655 dramatically in 5 years time depending 01:09:45.679 --> 01:09:48.536 on what type of businesses in particular 01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:50.775 are occupying real estate in Mimula. So 01:09:50.799 --> 01:09:53.016 whenever a um development application 01:09:53.040 --> 01:09:55.175 comes in for 01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:57.655 anything whether it's change of use then 01:09:57.679 --> 01:10:00.679 that's when our staff will assess the um 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:02.616 potential for traffic generation then 01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:04.456 they'll start assessing is this going to 01:10:04.480 --> 01:10:06.856 create more demand for parking or is it 01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:09.816 not and if so I think when I say to give 01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:12.840 you an example like um example site 01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:15.576 somewhere like kitties if it was being 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:17.655 used for a business that did something 01:10:17.679 --> 01:10:19.576 like hairdressing or beauty just as an 01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:22.056 example rather than hospitality 01:10:22.080 --> 01:10:24.616 the parking numbers like yeah yes yeah 01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:26.456 that's why it's hard to do that your 01:10:26.480 --> 01:10:28.296 point about um yeah the backwards work 01:10:28.320 --> 01:10:31.320 that we've done I definitely um as part 01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:34.376 of this the next step of what we're 01:10:34.400 --> 01:10:36.616 talking about will be um working with 01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:39.640 our staff to go back and review that and 01:10:40.080 --> 01:10:42.056 and relook at what that said at that 01:10:42.080 --> 01:10:43.496 point in time look at what's changed 01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:45.976 since then and and understand sort of 01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:48.376 the I'm saying there's no linear there's 01:10:48.400 --> 01:10:50.056 not really a linear relation ship. 01:10:50.080 --> 01:10:51.655 No, there's there's just a point in 01:10:51.679 --> 01:10:54.215 time. And I guess my question then is at 01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:56.695 this point in time, knowing what we know 01:10:56.719 --> 01:10:58.456 now, there's McDonald's, there's a this, 01:10:58.480 --> 01:11:00.056 there's a, you know, camping store, 01:11:00.080 --> 01:11:02.936 there's a whatever, is the current level 01:11:02.960 --> 01:11:05.655 of parking in that town adequate or are 01:11:05.679 --> 01:11:08.679 we seeking to um increase that in the 01:11:09.679 --> 01:11:12.215 future? Yeah, that strategic direction 01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:13.976 based on we can only do what we don't I 01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:14.856 don't know what's going to happen in two 01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:17.175 years. It could change completely. But 01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:20.199 is it the status quo in that town is it 01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:23.239 is it um adequate right now? 01:11:25.120 --> 01:11:26.856 Um could I just add to that that without 01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:29.096 a master plan or any future one that's a 01:11:29.120 --> 01:11:32.120 pretty hard question to answer? 01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:36.056 Well through through you Mr. Mayor um 01:11:36.080 --> 01:11:37.655 what what we do know is there was an 01:11:37.679 --> 01:11:40.679 occupancy um study done as part of the 01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:43.880 the most recent traffic um studies. So 01:11:44.080 --> 01:11:46.695 yes, so we we know um what the occupancy 01:11:46.719 --> 01:11:49.719 rates were and it appears that um they 01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:52.536 weren't fully utilized at this point. So 01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:55.560 and as as the um CEO points out um 01:11:57.040 --> 01:12:00.040 parking volumes are really tied to I 01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:02.456 guess the type of business and the the 01:12:02.480 --> 01:12:05.016 type of devel development that occurs. 01:12:05.040 --> 01:12:07.096 So they're not sort of directly 01:12:07.120 --> 01:12:08.376 correlated, but right at this point in 01:12:08.400 --> 01:12:10.296 time with the with the businesses that 01:12:10.320 --> 01:12:12.936 we've got in the Marima CBD, it appears 01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:15.096 that um we're not at full capacity in 01:12:15.120 --> 01:12:18.056 terms of parking. 01:12:18.080 --> 01:12:21.016 Thank you. Council, another question. 01:12:21.040 --> 01:12:21.496 Um 01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:22.296 without notice. 01:12:22.320 --> 01:12:23.655 It's a question definitely without 01:12:23.679 --> 01:12:24.776 notice. It's just occurred to me 01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:26.695 listening to councelor Niden and some 01:12:26.719 --> 01:12:28.616 comments that have been made to me about 01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:31.640 Morimula CBD again in that traffic 01:12:32.719 --> 01:12:35.256 occupancy of parking spots study that 01:12:35.280 --> 01:12:37.576 you've done. Were you able to glean 01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:39.096 whether they were people using the 01:12:39.120 --> 01:12:40.936 two-hour spots or are there for instance 01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:43.960 staff of retail and wholesale areas 01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:46.056 around there taking positions for the 01:12:46.080 --> 01:12:48.776 whole day which might raise questions of 01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:50.936 enforcement. 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:52.856 through you Mr. Mayor. It it's very 01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:54.936 difficult to say. Um anecdotally, we're 01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:57.960 we're told that um I guess staff of the 01:12:58.320 --> 01:13:00.056 local businesses are parking along Beach 01:13:00.080 --> 01:13:02.695 Street where we've got no time parking 01:13:02.719 --> 01:13:05.496 and the um users of the businesses are 01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:07.655 parking in the in the designated areas, 01:13:07.679 --> 01:13:09.416 but that's anecdotal. So, we haven't 01:13:09.440 --> 01:13:11.896 really confirmed that at this stage. 01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:14.215 Thank you, councilors. There's no closed 01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:16.536 business. There's no 01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:18.215 resolutions for close session to be 01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:20.296 adopted. Declare the meeting closed. 01:13:20.320 --> 01:13:23.320 Councilors at 3:13.