WEBVTT 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:01.815 The ordering meeting of Wednesday the 00:00:01.839 --> 00:00:04.839 15th of October 2025 will commence. 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:07.576 All council meetings are live streamed 00:00:07.600 --> 00:00:09.495 in the internet and made then made 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:12.519 available at council's website 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:15.575 www.begavalley.nsw.gov.au 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:17.095 Also start by acknowledging on behalf of 00:00:17.119 --> 00:00:18.536 the Bega Valley Shire council the 00:00:18.560 --> 00:00:19.896 traditional custodians of the lands 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:21.976 waterways and airspace on which we are 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:23.896 gathering. 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:25.095 Under the local government act I'm 00:00:25.119 --> 00:00:26.296 required to read the statement of 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:28.136 ethical obligations. The Mayor and 00:00:28.160 --> 00:00:29.736 councils are reminded that they remain 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:31.495 bound by the oath affirmation of office 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:33.576 made at the start of the council term to 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:35.176 undertake their civic duties in the best 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:36.535 interest of the people of Bega Valley 00:00:36.559 --> 00:00:38.616 Shire and to faithfully and impartially 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:39.976 carry out the functions, powers, 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:42.136 authorities and discretions vested in 00:00:42.160 --> 00:00:43.736 them under the local government act or 00:00:43.760 --> 00:00:45.896 any other act to the best of their skill 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:47.656 and judgment. The Mayor and councilors 00:00:47.680 --> 00:00:48.936 are also reminded that of the 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:50.456 requirement of disclosure of conflicts 00:00:50.480 --> 00:00:52.616 of interest in relation to items listed 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:55.015 for consideration on the agenda or which 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:56.375 are considered at this meeting in 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:57.816 accordance with the code of conduct and 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:00.776 code of meeting practice. Councilors 00:01:00.800 --> 00:01:03.800 councilors apologies Mr. CEO 00:01:04.720 --> 00:01:06.696 three Mr. Mayor we have got apologies 00:01:06.720 --> 00:01:09.095 from our three directors today. So we 00:01:09.119 --> 00:01:10.936 have three acting directors in 00:01:10.960 --> 00:01:13.095 Thank you. Someone like to move they be 00:01:13.119 --> 00:01:16.119 noted. Councelor Allen, Councilor Mudaliar. 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:19.256 All those in favor carried unanimously. 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:20.455 Confirmation of the minutes of the 00:01:20.479 --> 00:01:22.775 meeting held on the 17th of August 2005 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:24.616 as circle be taken as read. Someone like 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:26.056 to move it. Any questions on the 00:01:26.080 --> 00:01:29.080 minutes? Councelor O'Neil. Seconder. 00:01:30.960 --> 00:01:33.960 Councelor Haggar. 00:01:34.479 --> 00:01:36.856 All those in favor 00:01:36.880 --> 00:01:39.496 carried unanimously. Declarations. Mr. 00:01:39.520 --> 00:01:40.616 CEO. 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:42.775 Three. Mr. Mayor. I have one declaration 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.799 here today in relation to item 8.2 from 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:50.200 councelor Allen. Item 8.2 is the funding 00:01:50.240 --> 00:01:51.656 request for building an energy 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:54.616 transition road map project road project 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:57.415 for the regional circularity cooperative 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:00.216 and the nature of the interest is a 00:02:00.240 --> 00:02:02.936 pecunary interest. Councelor Allen will 00:02:02.960 --> 00:02:04.775 leave the chamber and the interest is 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:06.616 that his family supplies milk to be 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:09.640 cheese and have shares in the company. 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:13.479 Thank you. 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:17.416 There's no public forum held today. 00:02:17.440 --> 00:02:20.440 There's no petitions. Mayoral minutes. I 00:02:20.959 --> 00:02:22.215 have a Mayoral minute in relation to 00:02:22.239 --> 00:02:25.176 Cruise Eden, which I won't read the 00:02:25.200 --> 00:02:27.575 whole report that I wrote. I just 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:29.336 like to address it's 20 years since 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:31.496 Cruise Eden was established. We all know 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:32.855 the benefits of the cruise ships coming 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:35.176 into Eden and how that's regenerated 00:02:35.200 --> 00:02:37.575 parts of the town and and some of the 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:39.736 retail businesses but it doesn't 00:02:39.760 --> 00:02:41.016 happen without the volunteers who 00:02:41.040 --> 00:02:43.176 created Cruise Eden and and continue to 00:02:43.200 --> 00:02:45.416 create such a great atmosphere for 00:02:45.440 --> 00:02:47.336 people hopping off the boats. On top of 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:49.336 cruise Eden, now we have the town crier 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:51.176 who goes and welcomes everyone to every 00:02:51.200 --> 00:02:52.536 cruise ship coming and it's quite an 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:54.616 event. I encourage counselors in the 00:02:54.640 --> 00:02:55.656 community. If you haven't been down to 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:57.416 see what actually gets done for 00:02:57.440 --> 00:03:00.440 directions around town, um, escorting 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:02.056 people onto buses to travel to other 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:03.976 parts of the Shire, you should go down and 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:05.575 have a good look. And it's totally run 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:07.256 by volunteers and we'd be lost without 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.575 them with the cruise ships. I think over 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:12.056 the since the cruise Eden have been 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:13.896 going something like two million 00:03:13.920 --> 00:03:16.920 visitors have come through the harbour 00:03:17.760 --> 00:03:19.495 took us a while after covid to get it going 00:03:19.519 --> 00:03:21.176 again and cruise ships going and now 00:03:21.200 --> 00:03:23.656 it's astronomical. So well done to all 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.016 those and I'd just like to pass my 00:03:25.040 --> 00:03:26.935 congratulations on and ask councilors to 00:03:26.959 --> 00:03:29.575 confirm that. Perhaps councilor Mandalia, 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:31.256 you might like to say a few words in 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:32.775 support as well, seeing you have been 00:03:32.799 --> 00:03:34.696 heavily involved in in the cruise eden 00:03:34.720 --> 00:03:37.720 and tourism down there over the years. 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:39.336 Sorry, I didn't ask you beforehand. 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:41.336 Thanks, Mr. Mayor No, no, no. I think you 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:43.256 said it beautifully and I think the 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:44.935 the big thing which a lot of members of 00:03:44.959 --> 00:03:46.456 the community don't realize is that it 00:03:46.480 --> 00:03:48.376 is heavily reliant on volunteers and a 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:50.376 lot of people that contribute their time 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:52.935 for the success of crew cruise Eden. Um 00:03:52.959 --> 00:03:54.855 Eden has become one of the busiest 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:57.016 regional ports across four states. New 00:03:57.040 --> 00:03:58.456 South Wales, South Australia, Victoria, 00:03:58.480 --> 00:04:00.616 and Tasmania not the season just 00:04:00.640 --> 00:04:01.736 gone, but the one before it was the 00:04:01.760 --> 00:04:03.495 busiest out of those four states. So, 00:04:03.519 --> 00:04:05.495 just to give you an idea of how many 00:04:05.519 --> 00:04:07.575 ships come through and the enormous job 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:09.336 there is in welcoming them. So, yeah, 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:11.256 good on you, Mr. Mayor, for putting this 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:12.935 up and congratulating them on their 20 00:04:12.959 --> 00:04:15.959 years. 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.215 People like to move that be noted. 00:04:18.239 --> 00:04:20.136 Councelor O'Neil, Councilor Nadin All those 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.160 in favor? Carried unlessly. Thanks. 00:04:23.440 --> 00:04:24.936 There's no urgent business. Staff 00:04:24.960 --> 00:04:27.816 reports community environment 8.1 00:04:27.840 --> 00:04:29.576 council's questions on the planning 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:31.336 proposal for rural residential reszoning 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:33.735 at Mount Darragh Road Lochiel. Any questions 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:36.696 for the director of planning counselors? 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:39.720 I'm happy to move the recommendation. 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:46.120 Seconded council n 00:04:46.400 --> 00:04:48.856 any discussion councilors I'll just 00:04:48.880 --> 00:04:51.880 quickly support speak to this. Um this 00:04:52.479 --> 00:04:54.376 is already an existing subdivision. It's 00:04:54.400 --> 00:04:57.016 changing lot sizes which um those who 00:04:57.040 --> 00:04:58.455 have listened to me over the years I 00:04:58.479 --> 00:05:00.136 think have realized that I think some of 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.160 our RU2 land needs to have lot sizes re 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:05.496 re-evaluated and if the New South Wales 00:05:05.520 --> 00:05:06.696 planning department would like to give 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:08.696 council some authority to do that. It' 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:10.136 be much appreciated instead of having to 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:12.536 do a whole leap and then wait years for 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:14.216 that to be adopted. um if you want to 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:16.776 solve housing land housing crisis um we 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:18.056 have to look at some of our rural land 00:05:18.080 --> 00:05:20.615 and land that's not on the services now 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:22.216 not on water and sewer and that can be 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:24.455 self-sufficient so I totally recommend 00:05:24.479 --> 00:05:27.479 this um DA as that in changing those lot 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:30.455 sizes to allow more more suitable and 00:05:30.479 --> 00:05:33.479 more housing provided thank you wish to 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:35.735 speak against 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:38.759 council speaking for I just um once 00:05:38.960 --> 00:05:40.696 again we've had a submission come to 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:42.296 council that's been looked at by staff 00:05:42.320 --> 00:05:44.296 that staff have worked at with with the 00:05:44.320 --> 00:05:47.320 applicant. Um, this includes um zones 00:05:48.320 --> 00:05:50.696 for on-site sewage management and I I 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:52.936 I'm I'm aware that staff have done a lot 00:05:52.960 --> 00:05:55.256 of work in this and it um it helps when 00:05:55.280 --> 00:05:57.175 when we get decent submissions made to 00:05:57.199 --> 00:05:58.936 council and and to acknowledge the work 00:05:58.960 --> 00:06:01.895 that staff have done. 00:06:01.919 --> 00:06:03.895 Thanks councelor Haggar with the motion. 00:06:03.919 --> 00:06:06.455 All those in favor 00:06:06.479 --> 00:06:09.336 generously thanks councilors 8.2 two 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:12.360 funding requests. Councelor Allen 00:06:16.080 --> 00:06:19.080 involved with you counc. 00:06:20.479 --> 00:06:22.056 Thank you, Mr. May. I just declare a 00:06:22.080 --> 00:06:24.295 pecun interest in this in this 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:25.976 particular item. My family supplies the 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.000 culp and has shares in the company. You 00:06:29.840 --> 00:06:32.840 see as well 00:06:53.840 --> 00:06:56.840 left for room. Council's questions. 00:06:56.880 --> 00:06:58.056 Council Len. 00:06:58.080 --> 00:06:59.416 H. Yeah. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. So, 00:06:59.440 --> 00:07:01.256 councelor Allen's left the room because 00:07:01.280 --> 00:07:04.216 Big Cheese is involved in the circular 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:06.376 cooperative. 00:07:06.400 --> 00:07:08.696 That's correct, isn't it? Well, the 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:09.575 report says 00:07:09.599 --> 00:07:12.056 great. The billiond dollar company Bega 00:07:12.080 --> 00:07:15.080 Cheese um Charlester University um which 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:19.160 is publicly funded and CSRO 00:07:19.440 --> 00:07:21.735 and so they're coming to our for the 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:24.759 council for $15,000. Is that correct? 00:07:27.039 --> 00:07:29.175 Well, the report says council 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.199 confirm that. Um, so this levy that we 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:35.256 have because I I mean I certainly 00:07:35.280 --> 00:07:37.656 haven't put a spotlight on it at all. 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:40.680 Can the CEO just have a bit of a talk to 00:07:41.599 --> 00:07:44.599 this environmental levy? Um, how much it 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:48.199 raises per year and 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:51.720 the reason why we have 15,000. 00:07:52.400 --> 00:07:55.400 Do we have money left over this year? 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.895 Um, so because we just adopted a budget, 00:07:57.919 --> 00:08:00.919 in other words, and so did we are we not 00:08:01.440 --> 00:08:03.015 planning to spend at all? Do we have 00:08:03.039 --> 00:08:05.735 money in reserve? Um, and what else 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:08.455 could this go to? 00:08:08.479 --> 00:08:11.015 Sorry, Mr. Mayor, the history on um 00:08:11.039 --> 00:08:12.776 where the funds come from that are 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:15.496 proposed to be put towards this 00:08:15.520 --> 00:08:18.520 initiative are out of a environmental 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.879 levy that was introduced in 200. 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:27.879 so been in place for quite a while. 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.656 Yes it is. Um 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:33.736 yeah so issued in 2000 the approval 00:08:33.760 --> 00:08:36.616 issued in 200 um six through an 00:08:36.640 --> 00:08:39.495 instrument the 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:39.815 um 00:08:39.839 --> 00:08:41.575 everyone. 00:08:41.599 --> 00:08:44.599 Yes it is. and it generated in the 2425 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:49.320 financial year 494,800. 00:08:50.640 --> 00:08:53.640 of those funds each year um we do 00:08:55.040 --> 00:08:58.040 budget for allocation of where those 00:08:58.160 --> 00:09:00.136 funds will be spent but there is a 00:09:00.160 --> 00:09:03.160 historical reserve bAllence um that was 00:09:04.560 --> 00:09:07.560 around 600 and 00:09:07.839 --> 00:09:09.815 sorry the end of the 25 financial 00:09:09.839 --> 00:09:12.456 year around 770ish,000 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.016 um in reserve. Yeah. That's accumulated 00:09:15.040 --> 00:09:18.040 over time. Those um those funds are 00:09:19.680 --> 00:09:22.296 typically used to try and leverage other 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:23.896 grants for environmental initiatives. So 00:09:23.920 --> 00:09:26.536 we use that typically towards matching 00:09:26.560 --> 00:09:28.696 other um grant programs related to 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:31.576 environmental improvements. And we do 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:34.600 have a number of um significant 00:09:35.040 --> 00:09:36.856 environmental improvement projects 00:09:36.880 --> 00:09:39.880 projected to do in sort of the next 5 to 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.320 10 year period. And 00:09:44.480 --> 00:09:47.255 there are examples of things like 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:48.536 erosion protection at different 00:09:48.560 --> 00:09:51.560 locations across the SH um stabilization 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:53.896 of embankments, revitation of certain 00:09:53.920 --> 00:09:55.576 areas across the SH. In broad terms, 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:57.016 they're the type of things that we would 00:09:57.040 --> 00:09:59.815 typically allocate those funds towards 00:09:59.839 --> 00:10:02.136 things like um creek stabilization, that 00:10:02.160 --> 00:10:04.776 type of thing. 00:10:04.800 --> 00:10:06.216 Through Mr. May that the question was 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:07.976 what about FOGO? No, it doesn't go 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.216 towards um waste related initiatives. 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:13.176 waste is funded separately to this 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.200 for the purposes of um circularity. One 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:17.495 of the most circular things that we can 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:19.896 do is you know recycle and and whatever 00:10:19.920 --> 00:10:22.136 and we know that we're expanding our um 00:10:22.160 --> 00:10:25.160 FOGO over at um the CWF. Um so could we 00:10:26.640 --> 00:10:28.456 put it towards that or do we just have a 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.480 principled no we have a waste fee that 00:10:31.760 --> 00:10:33.976 we charge rate payers so therefore that 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:35.255 will pay for it and not this 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:38.136 environmental levy 00:10:38.160 --> 00:10:39.416 through Mr. Mayor, I'd have to take on 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:41.495 notice whether there even is the 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:43.576 potential if council was of mind to to 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.055 put funds out of this levy towards waste 00:10:46.079 --> 00:10:49.079 related initiatives. But in response to 00:10:49.760 --> 00:10:51.495 um the bit about how we do fund that 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:53.096 type of thing, yes, it is funded through 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:55.416 user fees and charges related to waste 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:57.656 for for example our organics. Um we are 00:10:57.680 --> 00:10:59.176 also 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:00.696 utilizing grant funds where they're 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.016 available in our waste service 00:11:03.040 --> 00:11:06.040 separately to fund waste initiatives. 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.055 Council council daily. 00:11:10.079 --> 00:11:12.136 just briefly through you, Mr. Mayor. 00:11:12.160 --> 00:11:15.160 Um given that council will have a stake 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.360 in the um the outcomes including 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:22.600 the the road map and the related 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:25.896 reports. I assume a copy of these will 00:11:25.920 --> 00:11:28.856 be provided to council staff or to 00:11:28.880 --> 00:11:31.495 council. 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:33.416 Sorry, Mr. Mayor. Yes, that would be the 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:35.336 intention. And just to be clear, the 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.216 this initiative isn't intended to go 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:41.176 ahead unless um a grant is received. So 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:42.935 what we're actually being asked to do is 00:11:42.959 --> 00:11:44.776 provide a contribution to leverage a 00:11:44.800 --> 00:11:46.296 much larger amount of funding to be able 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:47.656 to undertake the initiative that's 00:11:47.680 --> 00:11:50.055 outlined in the report. And if that does 00:11:50.079 --> 00:11:52.616 go ahead, then yes, we'll very much um 00:11:52.640 --> 00:11:54.935 be provided the outcomes. and and part 00:11:54.959 --> 00:11:56.456 of the reason why this is recommended 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:58.055 the way it is is because it is in 00:11:58.079 --> 00:12:01.079 alignment with adopted um strategies of 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:02.616 council through our climate resilience 00:12:02.640 --> 00:12:04.296 strategy and clean energy plan. So it's 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:06.055 not like this is not aligned with 00:12:06.079 --> 00:12:07.815 objectives of council 00:12:07.839 --> 00:12:08.615 council name. 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:10.696 Um yeah thank you just that comment that 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.576 you made then it you know the total cost 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.600 of this project is $220,000. 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:20.216 So the CRC will provide 35% of the total 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:22.375 project cost in form of matched funding. 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:24.216 That means we are seeking to raise 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.696 $150,000 from key community business 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:28.856 government and academic stakeholders for 00:12:28.880 --> 00:12:31.880 the project to proceed. So, we're our 00:12:32.079 --> 00:12:35.079 $15,000 is part of the $150,000 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:37.896 which is being matched so that we can 00:12:37.920 --> 00:12:40.920 get the $70,000 or is that 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:46.536 only a portion of it? Cuz you said it 00:12:46.560 --> 00:12:49.560 was worth a lot more than than the um 00:12:49.680 --> 00:12:51.576 than the co-contribution. So, the 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:53.736 co-contribution is $150,000. 00:12:53.760 --> 00:12:56.296 Our contribution was going to 15,000. 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.456 Oh. Oh, yeah. Sure. So, but the whole 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.480 project is worth $220,000 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:04.600 and the CRC is only providing 35% of the 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:07.255 total project cost in the form of 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:09.576 matched funding. This means that if we 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:11.576 are seeking to raise $150,000 from key 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:14.055 community business for the project to 00:13:14.079 --> 00:13:15.255 proceed. 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:15.815 Correct. 00:13:15.839 --> 00:13:18.839 Correct. Okay. 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:22.600 You move the motion council. 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:26.055 Second for the motion. Council Haggar. 00:13:26.079 --> 00:13:27.815 Yep. foreshadow motion. Council 00:13:27.839 --> 00:13:30.216 Len 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:31.416 Mitch Mitch 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:33.815 sorry yeah I'd like to for shadow dot 00:13:33.839 --> 00:13:36.375 option three 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:38.055 any further questions before I ask 00:13:38.079 --> 00:13:41.079 councelor N speak the motion council n 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.120 um I welcome this um 00:13:48.560 --> 00:13:51.336 um I I welcome this approach um the 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:53.255 council itself of course has a 100% 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:56.136 renewables target for 2030. We're nearly 00:13:56.160 --> 00:13:57.815 there, which shows what you can do with 00:13:57.839 --> 00:14:00.839 a bit of scale and support from the 00:14:00.880 --> 00:14:03.336 elected body. Um, and the staff have 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.055 done a lot of really good work there. 00:14:06.079 --> 00:14:07.815 Around the SH, there have been a number 00:14:07.839 --> 00:14:09.815 of community and business-based 00:14:09.839 --> 00:14:12.839 renewables projects. Um, I know we've 00:14:12.880 --> 00:14:15.255 just resigned anou with clean energy 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:18.279 fraternity which has been experimenting 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:20.136 um in conjunction with the council from 00:14:20.160 --> 00:14:22.776 the um Tathra sewage plant. saved the 00:14:22.800 --> 00:14:25.800 council bags of cash but also provided 00:14:26.079 --> 00:14:28.935 solar facilities at a number of RFS 00:14:28.959 --> 00:14:31.495 sheds around here which has in um 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:33.096 increase their resilience at times of 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:36.120 emergency. Um there's also initiatives 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:39.096 like renewable burmague which is helping 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.815 people find the most cost-effective way 00:14:41.839 --> 00:14:44.615 of moving to solar and batteries saving 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.576 their money how to insulate their home 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:50.600 um and thereby less draw on the energy. 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:53.720 Um however, oh and renewable Kbago 00:14:54.880 --> 00:14:56.296 worked with essential energy and other 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:57.976 energy groups because the energy 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:00.536 companies are very keen that remote 00:15:00.560 --> 00:15:03.560 areas like ours have some resilience at 00:15:03.760 --> 00:15:06.136 times of emergency um so that they can 00:15:06.160 --> 00:15:08.536 supply their own power and then that 00:15:08.560 --> 00:15:10.375 also reduces the maintenance burden on 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:12.615 the electrical network o after all if we 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:14.696 can look after our own energy needs 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:17.416 cheaply and effectively. Um why do we 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:20.216 need to have this particular proposal? 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:22.216 Well, everyone's been doing their bit, 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.216 but to pull it together, we actually 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.456 need a road map that we can then scale 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.016 up this effort with and really go for it 00:15:29.040 --> 00:15:31.016 with business. And by way of 00:15:31.040 --> 00:15:33.096 illustration of that, on the Monday 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:34.615 public holiday, the power went out at 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:36.776 the Burmigue Fisherman's Co-op, which 00:15:36.800 --> 00:15:37.976 meant that something like eight 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.856 businesses had to shut down for hours to 00:15:40.880 --> 00:15:43.815 wait for the energy company to reconnect 00:15:43.839 --> 00:15:46.456 everything that had gone wrong. Um, they 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:48.456 did have a couple of generators for the 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:50.456 fishing fridges, but not enough. It's 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:52.055 really hard to get enough generators for 00:15:52.079 --> 00:15:54.536 these sorts of things. They could, 00:15:54.560 --> 00:15:56.536 however, have looked at the renewable 00:15:56.560 --> 00:15:58.776 options and the battery projects, which 00:15:58.800 --> 00:16:00.935 are increasingly common all over the 00:16:00.959 --> 00:16:03.959 southeast. It's a sort of thing that we 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:05.416 need to look at in the context of the 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:08.296 road map. It's not only small community 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:10.136 efforts. It's not just the council. This 00:16:10.160 --> 00:16:11.896 is going to be something that involves 00:16:11.920 --> 00:16:14.615 hospitals, , the factory out here, all 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:17.016 the rest of it, and we need to know the 00:16:17.040 --> 00:16:19.096 best way to scale up at this stage. So, 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:21.815 I commend this one. The 15,000 seems to 00:16:21.839 --> 00:16:24.839 me a very moderate one. I think why the 00:16:25.680 --> 00:16:27.735 regional circularity cooperative would 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:30.536 welcome this is that it is important for 00:16:30.560 --> 00:16:33.096 grant makers to see that local 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:34.456 government is involved in these 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:37.416 renewable efforts because it's very hard 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:39.656 in fact to do major renewables projects 00:16:39.680 --> 00:16:41.416 like that without local government 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:43.976 efforts on connections to various 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.000 systems and land use type ideas. So I 00:16:47.040 --> 00:16:50.040 feel that this modest um contribution 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:53.240 from our e levy is basically helping the 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:55.576 regional circularity cooperative but 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.976 also means that we will have access 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:00.375 great deal of knowledge as we work with 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:02.856 our community in this energy transition 00:17:02.880 --> 00:17:04.775 that we all know is coming. 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:07.799 Thanks speaker against council. Um yeah, 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:09.736 thank you very much and I agree with a 00:17:09.760 --> 00:17:11.815 lot of the comments made now um by my 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:14.839 colleague. Um council will be involved 00:17:15.120 --> 00:17:18.120 regardless of whether we um put $15,000 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:21.559 in or not. Um it's clearly regardless of 00:17:21.919 --> 00:17:23.815 what happens, we will be be providing 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:26.216 staff has provided an initial letter 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:29.096 of support. Um but we will also be 00:17:29.120 --> 00:17:32.120 providing um as it says here in do.3 00:17:34.320 --> 00:17:36.296 noting that in in kind staff 00:17:36.320 --> 00:17:39.320 contributions will still be provided. Um 00:17:39.360 --> 00:17:42.360 so it's happening um and our involvement 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.256 is as an associate anyway. So we're part 00:17:45.280 --> 00:17:46.616 of this group and we certainly support 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:47.976 them and we have supported them for 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.936 years without financial contribution. 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:53.960 And when we first joined the co-op, that 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:56.936 was the agreement that would they there 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:58.856 wouldn't be money coming from us. It was 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:01.176 it was that inind support. We do what we 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:03.895 can. We're a poor council. So, I mean, I 00:18:03.919 --> 00:18:05.256 don't know if this is the first of many 00:18:05.280 --> 00:18:07.015 times they'll be starting to reach out 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:09.256 now um asking us for money, but I think 00:18:09.280 --> 00:18:10.856 we need to draw a line in the sand and 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:13.256 make it clear we're not a rich council. 00:18:13.280 --> 00:18:14.376 We know that we don't have a fully 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:15.895 funded asset management plan. we know 00:18:15.919 --> 00:18:18.919 that we just raised rates by almost 50%. 00:18:19.280 --> 00:18:22.136 Um over the past few years um so for us 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:25.160 to be giving money away to projects 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:27.496 that as valuable as they are and I do 00:18:27.520 --> 00:18:29.576 see a lot of valuable in this but it's 00:18:29.600 --> 00:18:31.015 the equivalent of the state government 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:32.775 coming to us and saying oh we're doing a 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:34.056 planning review now we'd like you to 00:18:34.080 --> 00:18:35.816 chip in for it. Federal government 00:18:35.840 --> 00:18:38.616 saying oh we're going to do a a trans 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:40.136 energy transition plan. We'd like you to 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:41.816 chip in for it. They're all great things 00:18:41.840 --> 00:18:43.816 and I'd love to give them money, but 00:18:43.840 --> 00:18:45.336 we're a little poor council in the 00:18:45.360 --> 00:18:47.256 southeast of New South Wales and we have 00:18:47.280 --> 00:18:50.136 to be very cautious with our money. And 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:52.616 the CEO just told you then um how many 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:54.456 projects we've got a big line of 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:56.856 projects um happening over the next few 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:59.096 years. And um I don't know if anyone's 00:18:59.120 --> 00:19:00.535 noticed, but with inflation and 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:02.136 materials and labor and things like 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:04.056 that, there's going to be a lot of cost 00:19:04.080 --> 00:19:06.376 blowouts in the next few years. So, if 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:07.576 you want to make sure that we're saving 00:19:07.600 --> 00:19:09.336 up and have as much money in the kitty 00:19:09.360 --> 00:19:11.816 as possible to pull these projects off, 00:19:11.840 --> 00:19:13.576 um I would be avoiding spending this 00:19:13.600 --> 00:19:15.576 money now. Um we should be giving them 00:19:15.600 --> 00:19:17.015 support that we can give them, which is 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:20.039 our staff support. Um but I I I think 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:23.176 it's really important that we make 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:25.176 clear, as we do with a lot of community 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:27.976 project proposals as well. Um we're not 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:29.976 the ones to come to for money. If you 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:31.336 want to do it, we can give you that 00:19:31.360 --> 00:19:32.936 support and and that's pretty much it. 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:35.176 And I you know just to finish councils I 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:36.696 got to tell you when when I look at the 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:38.136 people who are a part of this the 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:40.376 billiondoll corporations and 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.775 universities and government funded 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:45.576 science organizations. 00:19:45.600 --> 00:19:47.416 Come on we're we're a little council 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:50.216 here. We you know we we can't be putting 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:52.136 allocating this kind of money um to 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:54.936 these to these endeavors as as important 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:56.696 as they are and despite the fact that we 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:58.775 will be the beneficiary. let let the 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:01.096 billion dollar um business down the road 00:20:01.120 --> 00:20:02.456 pay for it. 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:04.775 Thanks Council Speaker for Council 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:06.456 Haggar. 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:08.056 thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Thank 00:20:08.080 --> 00:20:10.936 you, Council Nen. Um I'd just point out 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:13.655 that it is um for first of all, I'd 00:20:13.679 --> 00:20:15.496 start with um when it comes to the Being 00:20:15.520 --> 00:20:17.416 a Circularity Center, it's no secret 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:20.440 that I am very much an agnostic. um as 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:23.496 you could check out my council um 00:20:23.520 --> 00:20:26.056 connect column on that very topic, you 00:20:26.080 --> 00:20:28.135 know, um they're building a church. 00:20:28.159 --> 00:20:29.576 Let's go to church. I'm not necessarily 00:20:29.600 --> 00:20:32.600 a true believer. Um but this is about an 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:34.856 energy transition roadmap for the bigger 00:20:34.880 --> 00:20:37.880 valley. We live in a valley of of um of 00:20:39.280 --> 00:20:41.976 small communities and often isolated 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:43.416 communities, particularly in times of 00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:45.576 emergency. We've seen what that means. 00:20:45.600 --> 00:20:48.216 We've seen the risks of a of a of what 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:51.015 the grid can mean. We saw that in we saw 00:20:51.039 --> 00:20:53.655 that in the task for fires. Um we know 00:20:53.679 --> 00:20:55.416 that the technology is being deployed 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:58.440 across Australia now where you can build 00:20:58.559 --> 00:20:59.895 community batteries that allow 00:20:59.919 --> 00:21:01.976 communities to isolate. So whether you 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:03.655 like renewable energy, whether you like 00:21:03.679 --> 00:21:05.015 batteries, whether you like any of the 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:06.856 modern technology, even if you don't 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:08.535 like renewables, there is an opportunity 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:11.496 here for the council to for for for beer 00:21:11.520 --> 00:21:13.576 to be build a more robust and a safer 00:21:13.600 --> 00:21:16.600 system and to build in security and for 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:20.056 a fee of $15,000 out of a total cost of 00:21:20.080 --> 00:21:22.775 $22,000. I think that's a good spend and 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.496 a good um a good leverage. So I 00:21:25.520 --> 00:21:28.520 recommend this um to the councilors. 00:21:29.120 --> 00:21:32.120 Speaker against any speaker against 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:33.576 supporter. 00:21:33.600 --> 00:21:36.600 Um I I I concur with a lot of what's 00:21:37.600 --> 00:21:40.600 been said here um by several speakers so 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:43.960 far. So I won't labor those points but 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:47.015 um I just want to say that you know this 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:50.039 is a this is a sh which has a very large 00:21:51.360 --> 00:21:54.360 population of pensioners and people 00:21:55.840 --> 00:21:58.840 who are disadvantaged and this levy has 00:21:59.120 --> 00:22:02.120 been placed on them as an additional 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:05.720 financial burden to them amidst soaring 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:09.799 power prices. And we do have people that 00:22:10.159 --> 00:22:13.159 right now can't afford to pay their 00:22:14.320 --> 00:22:16.296 electricity bills. 00:22:16.320 --> 00:22:19.320 Um I feel that a document which actually 00:22:20.320 --> 00:22:22.456 we don't have control over the terms of 00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:25.480 reference um a document that's going on 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:29.880 somebody else's ideas and ideology of 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.015 where they want to go over the next 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:36.039 10 years is not going to be in sync with 00:22:37.280 --> 00:22:39.176 those people who are having trouble 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:41.256 paying their electricity bills. And I 00:22:41.280 --> 00:22:44.280 came on council to be about people. Um, 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:47.015 and I I think that we just need to um 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.336 stand up and look for projects if we've 00:22:49.360 --> 00:22:50.856 already acred that money, look for 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.880 projects that's going to provide some um 00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:57.096 benefit to those people. We had a 00:22:57.120 --> 00:22:59.736 presentation 18 months ago in the 00:22:59.760 --> 00:23:02.760 former council from the people who own 00:23:03.679 --> 00:23:06.535 Brown Mountain Power Station that were 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:09.496 looking for support to um make that 00:23:09.520 --> 00:23:12.456 pumped hydro and improve it. that is 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:15.480 undoubtedly the best renewable energy 00:23:16.320 --> 00:23:19.320 resource in this SH and there's been 00:23:19.520 --> 00:23:20.936 nothing there's been no effort there's 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:22.535 been no plans drawn there's been no work 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:24.856 done to assist that project going 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:27.336 anywhere what we need to do is we 00:23:27.360 --> 00:23:28.936 need to do things that are going to make 00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:30.616 things more affordable and it'll work 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.416 for the demographics of our sh thank you 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:36.440 councilors in support of speaker four 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.039 speaker for councelor Daly 00:23:40.080 --> 00:23:42.376 um just briefly Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:44.216 , as someone who's had a lot of 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:47.096 experience in writing grants, , and 00:23:47.120 --> 00:23:49.496 assessing them, it is critical, as 00:23:49.520 --> 00:23:51.736 councelor O'Neil pointed out, um, to 00:23:51.760 --> 00:23:54.696 have buyin from various stakeholders. 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:57.015 , that, you know, that includes those 00:23:57.039 --> 00:23:59.416 that don't have, um, say the financial 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:01.416 means, that's that includes those that 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:03.496 have the technical experience, and it 00:24:03.520 --> 00:24:05.576 definitely includes all levels of 00:24:05.600 --> 00:24:08.600 government. Um I think this is really an 00:24:09.600 --> 00:24:12.600 investment more than anything else um in 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:15.176 in terms of what we're looking at um for 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.895 circularity and sustainability and we 00:24:17.919 --> 00:24:20.919 are talking about 7 half thousand in 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:23.576 separate financial years showing though 00:24:23.600 --> 00:24:26.600 that you have um that broad support and 00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:30.440 noting that I think the first part of 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.559 option three was um noted by 00:24:33.679 --> 00:24:36.056 councelor Niden second part of option 00:24:36.080 --> 00:24:38.296 that it states that it is likely to have 00:24:38.320 --> 00:24:39.816 a negative impact on the success of the 00:24:39.840 --> 00:24:42.616 grant application and the project itself 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:45.640 if we were to agree not to um to to go 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:49.640 ahead and fund um what's being proposed. 00:24:49.760 --> 00:24:52.760 So I think this is a a modest investment 00:24:53.840 --> 00:24:55.895 for something that provides a lot of 00:24:55.919 --> 00:24:58.135 long-term gain and I think council needs 00:24:58.159 --> 00:25:00.696 to have skin in the game. 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.655 Thanks Council. Another speaker against 00:25:03.679 --> 00:25:06.679 the other speaker against 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:08.696 Yeah. Well, hang on. I might want to 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:10.135 speak for it. There's other people who 00:25:10.159 --> 00:25:11.655 like other people like to speak. 00:25:11.679 --> 00:25:14.679 Councelor O'Neil. Thank you. 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:18.856 Council, I'll just briefly speak to it. 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.816 So in last year there was a renew an 00:25:21.840 --> 00:25:23.496 energy round table held with that had 00:25:23.520 --> 00:25:25.255 the likes of Beer Group, New South Wales 00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:27.496 Health, Burger Valley Shire, Sapphire 00:25:27.520 --> 00:25:30.376 Marketplace um large energy users right 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:32.696 across the SH central energy local 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:34.376 aboriginal land councils and the chamber 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:36.936 of commercees. There was outstanding 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:38.856 enthusiasm for the entity for the 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.015 circular economy at that meeting to plan 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:44.039 a roadmap to bring some of this disparit 00:25:44.159 --> 00:25:45.576 efforts together that people have been 00:25:45.600 --> 00:25:47.736 doing together because it was hot pot to 00:25:47.760 --> 00:25:49.255 make a more strategic and deliverable 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:51.976 approach to a net zero transition. That 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:53.736 was what the focus of the whole round 00:25:53.760 --> 00:25:56.760 table was. A key focus of pro of the 00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:59.096 project that we're submitting is that 00:25:59.120 --> 00:26:00.696 can we make many paths some more 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:02.616 efficient some economical others 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:04.616 equitable than more other than others. 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.640 So we plot the best path. The focus will 00:26:08.080 --> 00:26:09.736 is not just on wind and solar. It's not 00:26:09.760 --> 00:26:11.496 just about renewables. It will also 00:26:11.520 --> 00:26:13.816 consider other forms biodigesttors, 00:26:13.840 --> 00:26:16.296 graphite technology, steam generation 00:26:16.320 --> 00:26:18.376 and the project will help Burger Valley 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:21.015 SH meet its targets um as we go through 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:23.655 measurement which we already do. So the 00:26:23.679 --> 00:26:26.535 project leverages the expertise of CSRO 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.559 who will use a model for that energy 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:31.895 transition and a method of understanding 00:26:31.919 --> 00:26:34.919 impacts of other transitions as well. So 00:26:35.760 --> 00:26:38.616 as been mentioned it also the having a 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.416 plan will unlock external funding um for 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:43.255 council in various forms around our 00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:45.096 energy and our energy needs coming 00:26:45.120 --> 00:26:47.576 forward. So I also recommend it to you 00:26:47.600 --> 00:26:49.976 based on that. Thanks councelors. Any 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.535 other speaker against council and will 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:53.416 you write a reply? 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:55.655 very shortly and thank you Mr. Mayor. 00:26:55.679 --> 00:26:58.679 Um two things. Um councelor Daly is an 00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:01.176 expert on grant writing but my 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.736 experience of grants is that when you 00:27:03.760 --> 00:27:05.496 can get 00:27:05.520 --> 00:27:08.376 220k for an investment of 15,000 that's 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:11.400 leverage of 15 times that is such a good 00:27:11.919 --> 00:27:14.456 deal um to get all that knowledge and 00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.480 expertise into the council. Um the 00:27:17.520 --> 00:27:20.456 second point is just on the issues that 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.480 um councelor Porter raised um the 00:27:23.840 --> 00:27:26.840 renewable energy projects um in the SH 00:27:28.080 --> 00:27:31.080 are actually saving money and I just 00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:32.616 wonder whether he would be interested in 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:35.255 going to the home battery workshop for 00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:37.576 instance in Burmagui on Sunday morning 00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:39.976 where in fact to the workshops I've been 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:42.535 it is mostly pensioners and lowincome 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:44.856 people trying to find their maze through 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:46.296 way through the maze of the all the 00:27:46.320 --> 00:27:49.320 different options for bills, batteries, 00:27:49.919 --> 00:27:52.456 whatever. And we have helped finance 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:54.856 that workshop through our environmental 00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.416 grants. It is a service that is deeply 00:27:57.440 --> 00:27:59.255 valued by a number of people around the 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:01.736 SH as an effort to find our way through 00:28:01.760 --> 00:28:04.616 the maze. That is person by person. If 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:06.456 we have a road map, that process is 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:08.535 going to become easier and we can help 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:10.616 our lowincome and help our pensioner 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:13.640 people get there faster with less cost. 00:28:13.919 --> 00:28:15.576 Thanks. And I'll put the motion. All 00:28:15.600 --> 00:28:17.736 those in favor, councelor Haggar, 00:28:17.760 --> 00:28:19.416 councelor Noble, councelor Fitzpatrick, 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:21.895 councelor O'Neil, council Mudaliar and 00:28:21.919 --> 00:28:24.456 councelor 00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:27.480 daily. Those against councelor Porter, 00:28:27.679 --> 00:28:29.895 councel name. The motion's carried 00:28:29.919 --> 00:28:31.655 someone like to get councelor Allen 00:28:31.679 --> 00:28:34.679 please before we move on. 00:29:05.679 --> 00:29:06.535 You see all the stuff. 00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.559 Oh no, I thought it might be where it 00:29:13.360 --> 00:29:15.655 says. 00:29:15.679 --> 00:29:18.679 Thanks, Michael. 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.336 Item 8.3 updated fees and charges for 00:29:25.360 --> 00:29:27.976 the sale of recycled brick and concrete 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.135 aggreate. I have a few questions on this 00:29:30.159 --> 00:29:32.375 count the CEO. 00:29:32.399 --> 00:29:33.895 Why would we be selling it when we can 00:29:33.919 --> 00:29:35.816 use it for our own road base? That's 00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:37.895 probably my number one question. 00:29:37.919 --> 00:29:39.176 What was that? Sorry. 00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:40.696 Why would we be selling it when we can 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:42.056 use it ourselves? 00:29:42.080 --> 00:29:44.856 Are we selling it? 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:46.696 Three, Mr. Mayor. That is actually 00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:48.775 correct. Um part of what we will be now 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:50.936 doing is 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:52.775 considering whether we do use this 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.576 material on our own projects as a 00:29:55.600 --> 00:29:57.895 feasible alternative to quarry based 00:29:57.919 --> 00:29:59.816 materials. And if you read through the 00:29:59.840 --> 00:30:02.840 report, you'll see that um prior to 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.375 what's being recommended here, there 00:30:04.399 --> 00:30:07.399 were financial barriers to um to making 00:30:07.600 --> 00:30:09.416 this something that was feasible for not 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.440 only council but other potential users 00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:13.895 because of the price. So this is 00:30:13.919 --> 00:30:16.919 intended to reflect a bit more market 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.960 value and still if you see the 00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:23.640 financial figures still result in a um 00:30:23.840 --> 00:30:25.895 net positive financial result for 00:30:25.919 --> 00:30:27.736 council in our waist services. 00:30:27.760 --> 00:30:29.255 I commend the staff actually for going 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:30.535 ahead and doing this and I've seen the 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.559 big polls down at the tip. Um my worry 00:30:33.679 --> 00:30:35.816 is are we actually below what the market 00:30:35.840 --> 00:30:38.840 price currently is per ton. um in some 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.816 of my inquiries suggest it's actually 00:30:41.840 --> 00:30:44.216 pretty cheap. 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:45.496 Yeah. So through Mr. Mayor, the other 00:30:45.520 --> 00:30:47.015 thing to keep in mind with this is that 00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:49.736 it is a different product to um raw 00:30:49.760 --> 00:30:52.375 materials and there are additional steps 00:30:52.399 --> 00:30:54.296 that we have to go through to make sure 00:30:54.320 --> 00:30:56.056 that the products we're proposing to 00:30:56.080 --> 00:30:59.080 sell are able to be sold to market. So 00:30:59.760 --> 00:31:00.856 So when you say that that's the 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:02.535 certification of the product, 00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:05.559 correct? Yeah. And you'll also read in 00:31:05.600 --> 00:31:07.816 the report that there are different um 00:31:07.840 --> 00:31:10.840 we aren't necessarily able to replace 00:31:11.760 --> 00:31:13.096 all of the other products that the 00:31:13.120 --> 00:31:14.616 market provides. This will be an 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:16.856 alternative to some products within the 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:19.880 market and it'll have some uses and 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.856 values um for applications and then 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:24.296 there'll be others where we just cannot 00:31:24.320 --> 00:31:25.736 replace 00:31:25.760 --> 00:31:27.336 other road stuff that we won't that 00:31:27.360 --> 00:31:28.696 won't cover. So we'll still have to 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.616 purchase some other stuff for road road. 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:32.135 Yeah. Just to be really clear, the 00:31:32.159 --> 00:31:33.816 material that we're getting out of this 00:31:33.840 --> 00:31:36.840 um will not be to a what we call a 00:31:37.600 --> 00:31:39.976 typical DGB20 standard, for example, 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.000 which is um the specification of the 00:31:44.399 --> 00:31:46.696 products used in road construction in 00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.720 most roads. Examples of where we might 00:31:49.840 --> 00:31:51.816 um start to use this, and we've actually 00:31:51.840 --> 00:31:53.255 got a project at the moment where we're 00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:55.015 now considering it, is blending it in 00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:58.039 with existing materials to change the 00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:00.216 material profile overall. So, for 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.775 example, if we've got a granular road 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:05.416 pavement that's got high fines content 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.440 and um relatively low large larger um 00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.135 stone content, then we might blend some 00:32:14.159 --> 00:32:15.336 of this material in. And there's an 00:32:15.360 --> 00:32:16.535 example where we're considering that. 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.559 Now, the other thing to keep in mind um 00:32:19.600 --> 00:32:21.416 when thinking about markets for products 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.576 like this is the freight cost associated 00:32:23.600 --> 00:32:25.176 with it. So keep in mind that this 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.015 material is located in Eden and there 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.039 will be certain applications where the 00:32:30.399 --> 00:32:32.375 the material cost plus the freight cost 00:32:32.399 --> 00:32:34.936 makes it financially viable. But if you 00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:36.856 start to have to travel too far away and 00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.616 there's alternate quaries nearby, then 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.296 the freight cost will drive whether the 00:32:40.320 --> 00:32:42.135 material is more attractive to the 00:32:42.159 --> 00:32:44.775 market or or not. 00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:46.375 Council, any other councilors with 00:32:46.399 --> 00:32:49.176 questions? 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:50.696 I'm happy to move the recommendation. 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.336 Councilors, 00:32:53.360 --> 00:32:54.535 I have a second. 00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:54.856 No. 00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:55.736 Oh, yeah. Sorry. 00:32:55.760 --> 00:32:57.736 Council Haggar, 00:32:57.760 --> 00:32:59.255 don't wish to speak to it. The CEO has 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.279 basically spoken to it for me. 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:04.856 Put the motion. All those in favor? 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.880 Carried unanimously. 00:33:09.120 --> 00:33:12.120 Staff reports infrastructure counselors. 00:33:12.399 --> 00:33:15.015 I know there's questions on items 9.1 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.096 and there's an alternate motion on 9.3 00:33:17.120 --> 00:33:19.736 that probably needs discussing. that 00:33:19.760 --> 00:33:21.816 may require that probably requires us to 00:33:21.840 --> 00:33:23.895 go into close session because people 00:33:23.919 --> 00:33:25.816 want to talk about figures and costs and 00:33:25.840 --> 00:33:28.840 tenders. Um could I ask remove to move 00:33:29.679 --> 00:33:32.616 items 9.1 and 9.3 into close session and 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:34.856 councelor Nen Councelor Allen those in 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:36.535 favor 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.015 the motion's carried so that's under 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:40.375 section of the act do I have to read 00:33:40.399 --> 00:33:43.096 that or do you know 00:33:43.120 --> 00:33:45.416 no 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:48.440 through Mr. May there um that will be in 00:33:50.159 --> 00:33:52.936 accordance with 00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:55.960 let me read it. It is 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.960 section 10 A 2D and E of the Local 00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:05.720 Government Act 1993 and the and what 00:34:06.159 --> 00:34:08.855 that actually relates to is um 00:34:08.879 --> 00:34:10.615 potentially prejudicing a commercial 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:12.296 position of the person who supplied the 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.216 information that you want to discuss. 00:34:14.240 --> 00:34:16.536 Thank you. 00:34:16.560 --> 00:34:18.375 All those in favor carried unanimously. 00:34:18.399 --> 00:34:21.399 Thanks councilors. Item 9.2 tender for 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.936 West Kamaruka road disaster recovery 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.776 funding arrangements. Any questions in 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:28.375 open council counselors that can be 00:34:28.399 --> 00:34:31.176 asked. 00:34:31.200 --> 00:34:32.296 Also would like to move the 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.135 recommendation of confidential council 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:36.855 nen of the confidential and councelor 00:34:36.879 --> 00:34:39.496 O'Neil. All those in favor carried 00:34:39.520 --> 00:34:41.496 unanimously. Councelor N. That brings 00:34:41.520 --> 00:34:44.135 forward 1, two, and three that council 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:45.815 accepts a tender from John Mitchellin 00:34:45.839 --> 00:34:47.335 and some proprietary limit in relation 00:34:47.359 --> 00:34:48.936 to contract for the works described in 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.960 tender RFT2425-027 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.936 in the amount of 192,914 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.936 including GST subject to variations 00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:58.936 provisions that have authority be 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:01.095 developed delegated to the CEO to 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.016 execute all necessary documents approved 00:35:03.040 --> 00:35:05.095 any variations and that all tenders be 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.256 advised. Council Nelson happy to move it 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.280 again. All those in favor carried 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.536 unanimously. 00:35:12.560 --> 00:35:15.560 9.4 draft recreational strategy 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:18.216 exhibition counselors 00:35:18.240 --> 00:35:19.736 have a recommendation there. Any 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:21.815 questions? 00:35:21.839 --> 00:35:24.839 Question or having a question? 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:27.880 Good question. Yeah, 00:35:30.640 --> 00:35:33.640 got it in front of me now. Copy 00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:37.896 lashed out. 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.616 Um, 00:35:40.640 --> 00:35:43.640 this is this is was a good endeavor. We 00:35:44.640 --> 00:35:47.640 went publicly, Mr. C. 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:50.055 Oh, bloody hell. 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.079 Yeah. And there there's 400 responses 00:35:53.520 --> 00:35:55.656 apparently that were very thoughtful and 00:35:55.680 --> 00:35:58.536 very, you know, great telling us all of 00:35:58.560 --> 00:36:00.216 this good stuff according to the report 00:36:00.240 --> 00:36:01.815 here. 00:36:01.839 --> 00:36:04.536 I'm just not saying it though. Like I'm 00:36:04.560 --> 00:36:06.696 I'm just 00:36:06.720 --> 00:36:09.575 I mean it's it's really basic. I mean 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:11.016 and the only thing to come out of it 00:36:11.040 --> 00:36:12.296 really is that we need to do more 00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.320 planning. We need more strategies. We 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:15.896 need 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:16.696 more money. 00:36:16.720 --> 00:36:18.376 We need more money. And it's but it's 00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:19.815 just really bizarre things like you go 00:36:19.839 --> 00:36:22.839 into you know it's got public amenities 00:36:23.040 --> 00:36:25.335 and aquatic facilities and you know 00:36:25.359 --> 00:36:28.359 community input from from recreation 00:36:28.560 --> 00:36:31.560 survey survey very high provision of 00:36:31.839 --> 00:36:33.416 aquatic facilities and associated 00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.256 infrastructure in comparison to national 00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:37.815 averages and population size. 00:36:37.839 --> 00:36:39.496 Well I'm so glad we did months and 00:36:39.520 --> 00:36:41.416 months of community consultation and we 00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.575 got hundreds and hundreds of responses. 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.496 I'm just I'm looking for that data. 00:36:45.520 --> 00:36:47.656 What's your question? 00:36:47.680 --> 00:36:49.815 Where is the rest of the report? Like in 00:36:49.839 --> 00:36:52.296 terms of is there is there a because 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.136 sometimes staff put together like a 00:36:54.160 --> 00:36:57.160 summary of of what the responses were 00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:59.896 and how that is going to be embedded 00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:01.575 into the report. I could have written 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.599 this from what I knew about recreational 00:37:04.640 --> 00:37:06.936 um our recreational assets just based on 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.095 what's massive asset management plans 00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.095 and our long-term financial plans. Well, 00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:12.696 that's that's that's the question. you 00:37:12.720 --> 00:37:14.936 know, is there more? Is there is there 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.416 more input going to be done from the 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:19.575 from the community from those 400 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.376 responses? 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.055 True, Mr. Mayor. I'm not quite sure what 00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:25.656 you're asking for, but if you look at um 00:37:25.680 --> 00:37:27.736 page 101 of your business paper, which 00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:29.256 is a section on what did our community 00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.136 say about provision as an example, um 00:37:32.160 --> 00:37:33.736 there are definitely sections in this 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:36.760 strategy that include responses that we 00:37:37.520 --> 00:37:39.016 got from the community and how that's 00:37:39.040 --> 00:37:42.040 been interpreted to guide the strategies 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:44.776 and actions are outlined in there. 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.575 These things like community input from 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.599 recreation. So like that's nine 00:37:52.240 --> 00:37:55.240 major future questions. 00:37:55.680 --> 00:37:57.095 That's already in the longterm financial 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.119 plan or delivery plan key actions. Let's 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:03.480 do more. Let's do more strategies. 00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:05.176 Thanks, Council L. Any further 00:38:05.200 --> 00:38:08.136 questions? 00:38:08.160 --> 00:38:10.136 Any questions? Councilors have a 00:38:10.160 --> 00:38:12.776 recommendation. Councilors 00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.176 put the exhibit put on exhibition as per 00:38:15.200 --> 00:38:16.696 the recommendation. Someone like to move 00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:19.720 that. Council Haggar, councelor Daly 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.736 wish to speak to it. Council Haggar 00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.760 again. 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.119 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I I just 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.536 lost a lot of money. 00:38:32.560 --> 00:38:34.616 We invested a lot of resources in this. 00:38:34.640 --> 00:38:36.376 Well, not a lot, but we've invested 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.400 resources in this, and we've extracted a 00:38:39.680 --> 00:38:41.496 huge amount of information from the 00:38:41.520 --> 00:38:43.335 community. 00:38:43.359 --> 00:38:45.335 There's a lot that we knew already and 00:38:45.359 --> 00:38:47.335 that's all here because we knew pretty 00:38:47.359 --> 00:38:48.776 much everything in that strategy 00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:50.696 already. 00:38:50.720 --> 00:38:52.616 So, you know, we have to be really 00:38:52.640 --> 00:38:54.055 careful when we do community 00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:55.736 consultation cuz everyone wants to do 00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:58.760 it. Every Telstra, every CSRO, every 00:39:00.240 --> 00:39:03.240 business, every level of government, 00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:04.936 hey, tell us what you think. Give me 00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:06.856 feedback. You stayed at this hotel. 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:08.616 Everyone wants this feedback and this 00:39:08.640 --> 00:39:11.416 data. And I I just you know like and I 00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:13.095 and I really do appreciate it for what 00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:15.016 it's worth to the community. Like thank 00:39:15.040 --> 00:39:17.736 you for for those 400 responses. I'm 00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:20.760 just I'm not seeing that in this 00:39:21.200 --> 00:39:23.335 strategy though. I I think it needs 00:39:23.359 --> 00:39:26.359 more. I think it it it needs almost a 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:29.880 summary um a good block per asset um 00:39:33.040 --> 00:39:35.416 grouping where it says you know this is 00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:36.856 what the community this is their vision 00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:39.176 for like you know amenity like it's got 00:39:39.200 --> 00:39:41.095 pools in here and it's summarized in 00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:42.696 like one page I mean can we go through 00:39:42.720 --> 00:39:44.296 each of the pools because they're all 00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:46.696 extremely different they're the they're 00:39:46.720 --> 00:39:48.856 due for renewal a different you know 00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:51.016 Eden's not due for another 30 years is 00:39:51.040 --> 00:39:53.496 overdue Kabago's coming up in six his 00:39:53.520 --> 00:39:55.815 time. I don't know. There's just it's 00:39:55.839 --> 00:39:58.839 lacking. It's just lacking a lot. Sorry. 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:00.936 That's why I won't be voting for it. 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:03.960 Thanks, Council N. 00:40:04.640 --> 00:40:05.496 Council D. 00:40:05.520 --> 00:40:08.296 Thank you. So, councelor Niden, are you 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:10.776 wanting to foreshadow options two or 00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:13.800 three then that or are you happy that 00:40:14.560 --> 00:40:17.560 the motion that the option one be would 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:18.616 to a vote? 00:40:18.640 --> 00:40:20.856 Okay. So options take feedback from 00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:22.456 counselors and amend the strategy 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:24.696 document. Yeah. Okay. I'm happy to 00:40:24.720 --> 00:40:25.896 foreshadow. I was just going to vote 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:28.920 against it, but I Sorry. Jeff, 00:40:29.359 --> 00:40:31.496 sorry. I am. Yes, I was happy to vote 00:40:31.520 --> 00:40:33.335 against it, but if you would like um the 00:40:33.359 --> 00:40:35.656 dot point2 seems to be the most 00:40:35.680 --> 00:40:37.176 important one so that we can probably 00:40:37.200 --> 00:40:39.896 workshop it internally um first cuz you 00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:41.335 know obviously we only get it just so 00:40:41.359 --> 00:40:42.696 that you know public a couple of days 00:40:42.720 --> 00:40:45.720 before you do. Um and it's just 00:40:46.720 --> 00:40:48.696 sorry it's just underwhelming. Thanks 00:40:48.720 --> 00:40:50.216 councel. 00:40:50.240 --> 00:40:51.896 Councelor Daly, do you wish to speak to 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:53.976 the motion? 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:55.656 Wait, 00:40:55.680 --> 00:40:58.136 councelor Haggar and councelor Daly. 00:40:58.160 --> 00:40:59.416 Um, 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.736 so we're the motion is that the attached 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:03.575 draft recreate the strategy for 00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:05.176 recreation in the big valley sh is put 00:41:05.200 --> 00:41:07.095 on public exhibition for a period of not 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.256 less than 21 days. I want to suggest 00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.416 that um council Nen could has every 00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:13.575 opportunity to make a submission um 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:15.896 during that 21 days as does anyone else 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:18.136 and that um staff can further look at it 00:41:18.160 --> 00:41:20.055 after the exhibition period. 00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.776 Respond to that. So yeah well he's asked 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.095 me a question um and just to respond to 00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:26.856 you and it's a good point and I actually 00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:28.136 used to buy into this as well. 00:41:28.160 --> 00:41:29.176 Spoke to the motion. 00:41:29.200 --> 00:41:31.176 Well no no I'm answering a question from 00:41:31.200 --> 00:41:32.776 councelor Haggar. I 00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:34.295 councelor Haggar was speaking to the 00:41:34.319 --> 00:41:34.936 motion. 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:36.856 Well he asked me a question. He said he 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:38.616 said would councel and Niden consider 00:41:38.640 --> 00:41:39.016 this. 00:41:39.040 --> 00:41:40.376 Well, that's up to you later on whether 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:41.335 you want to consider making the 00:41:41.359 --> 00:41:42.776 difference. 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:45.256 Oh, okay. Well, 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.280 he said may suggest so 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.736 response if it um if no council we had 00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.256 the motion moved. Council Haggar spoke to 00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:57.016 it. Is the speaker against? Any other 00:41:57.040 --> 00:41:57.896 speaker? 00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:59.656 Council Allen, 00:41:59.680 --> 00:42:01.656 the recommendation has points one and 00:42:01.680 --> 00:42:03.256 two in it. So we that's 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.416 there's a recommendation one and that's 00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:06.136 one 00:42:06.160 --> 00:42:07.335 that's option two 00:42:07.359 --> 00:42:08.936 option two that we're talking about 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:09.815 foreshadow one 00:42:09.839 --> 00:42:12.376 yeah further down the option two is 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:14.936 further down CEO will explain it 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.176 Mr. May just to clarify the current 00:42:17.200 --> 00:42:19.976 motion is related to the officer's 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.055 recommendation which has part one and 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:23.815 part two 00:42:23.839 --> 00:42:24.536 before meeting. 00:42:24.560 --> 00:42:25.976 Yeah, it's before the meeting. Now the 00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.456 foreshadowed motion relates to in the 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:30.536 content of the report there is an option 00:42:30.560 --> 00:42:33.560 two further down that says take feedback 00:42:34.160 --> 00:42:35.976 from councilors and amend the strategy 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:37.736 document prior to placing it on 00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.760 exhibition. So if the motion as it 00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:43.416 stands was passed, it would mean it 00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:44.936 would go up for public exhibition and 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:46.616 then we'd provide another report back to 00:42:46.640 --> 00:42:48.536 council that might propose recommended 00:42:48.560 --> 00:42:50.616 changes after we get feedback 00:42:50.640 --> 00:42:52.616 as it is. 00:42:52.640 --> 00:42:54.616 Thanks. Speaker against the motion of 00:42:54.640 --> 00:42:57.176 council. No speaker against. I'll put 00:42:57.200 --> 00:42:59.575 the motion. All those in favor councelor 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:00.936 Haggar, councelor Allen, councelor 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:02.136 Neville, councelor Fitzpatrick, 00:43:02.160 --> 00:43:03.575 councelor O'Neil, councelor Daly, 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:05.656 councelor Daly. Those against councelor 00:43:05.680 --> 00:43:07.095 Porter, councelor Lane. The motion's 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.119 carried. Item 9.5 the request to wave 00:43:10.720 --> 00:43:12.856 section 64 development contributions to 00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:15.880 the Eden menshed development council 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:21.000 council nen councelor Allen 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:23.736 or councelor Porter then you withdrawn 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:25.736 councelor Allen 00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:28.760 wish to speak to it I'll speak to it 00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:31.656 briefly this is was come through as a 00:43:31.680 --> 00:43:34.216 community proposal originally to council 00:43:34.240 --> 00:43:36.295 some three years ago two or three years 00:43:36.319 --> 00:43:39.319 ago men shed 's target, I think at the 00:43:39.680 --> 00:43:41.656 time, was to raise 40,000 to build the 00:43:41.680 --> 00:43:44.376 shed. They've worked with council staff 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.400 to assess the site next to the current 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:50.295 scout hall as referred to in Eden. And 00:43:50.319 --> 00:43:51.896 it's been a great project by the men's 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:53.575 shed over that time in raising their own 00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:56.136 money of course with headworks charges 00:43:56.160 --> 00:43:59.016 um as is, but it's a public facility 00:43:59.040 --> 00:44:01.335 open to all everyone for men's health 00:44:01.359 --> 00:44:03.176 and men's shed. So, and do a lot of work 00:44:03.200 --> 00:44:05.176 in the Eden community including making 00:44:05.200 --> 00:44:06.696 seats for the main street and everything 00:44:06.720 --> 00:44:09.256 else and do a lot down around the warp 00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:12.055 as well and I recommend leavia to you 00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.216 all. So, thank you very much councelor 00:44:14.240 --> 00:44:16.616 Nen and councelor Porter for moving it. 00:44:16.640 --> 00:44:19.640 All those in favor carried unanimously 00:44:24.240 --> 00:44:26.456 9.6 the reporting of minutes for 00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:27.976 committees with delegated authority and 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.376 advisory committee. 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:33.400 Any questions, counselors? 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:37.896 Which one? 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.920 Montreal and 00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:44.136 councelor Daly. 00:44:44.160 --> 00:44:44.696 Yeah. 00:44:44.720 --> 00:44:46.136 You going to move? You going to move the 00:44:46.160 --> 00:44:49.095 recommendation? Councelor Daly. Second. 00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:51.815 Council Daly. Thank you. 00:44:51.839 --> 00:44:53.176 Councelor D. 00:44:53.200 --> 00:44:54.696 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just by way of a 00:44:54.720 --> 00:44:57.656 little bit of background on the 00:44:57.680 --> 00:44:59.575 officer officer's recommendation point 00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.376 two um this is something we've sort of I 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:04.696 think circled around a little bit in 00:45:04.720 --> 00:45:07.720 terms of utilizing our halls to two 00:45:07.839 --> 00:45:10.295 things I guess utilizing our halls um 00:45:10.319 --> 00:45:12.536 and counselor in the community type 00:45:12.560 --> 00:45:14.616 sessions. so the halls committee is 00:45:14.640 --> 00:45:16.616 eager to have the halls halls committee 00:45:16.640 --> 00:45:17.976 representatives are eager to have the 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.000 halls used as as much as possible. Um, 00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:22.696 and there's a few measures going ahead 00:45:22.720 --> 00:45:24.936 to kind of help with that in terms of 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:26.456 back-end booking systems and that sort 00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:29.480 of thing. Um but I think during IPNR 00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:33.800 um documents on exhibition we held 00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:37.400 some sessions in the community um that 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:40.136 weren't utilizing the halls and there 00:45:40.160 --> 00:45:42.295 are some people within the halls um 00:45:42.319 --> 00:45:44.936 committee who are who are eager to find 00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:47.496 more ways to get counselors involved 00:45:47.520 --> 00:45:49.496 in the community council staff involved 00:45:49.520 --> 00:45:51.815 in the community whether that be through 00:45:51.839 --> 00:45:54.456 you know issues based type um forums or 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:57.016 whether that's Q&A sessions But the 00:45:57.040 --> 00:45:58.936 halls are sort of standing ready and 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.960 very eager um to provide that venue. So 00:46:02.560 --> 00:46:05.560 um I would encourage staff when we're 00:46:05.839 --> 00:46:08.055 looking at um our community engagement 00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:10.295 strategy or when we're considering um 00:46:10.319 --> 00:46:12.295 some measures to sort of increase 00:46:12.319 --> 00:46:13.896 visibility about what's going on at 00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.616 council. Um and I do commend staff for 00:46:16.640 --> 00:46:18.696 some of the videos done recently with 00:46:18.720 --> 00:46:20.376 counselors and staff to highlight 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:21.575 different issues. I think those have 00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:23.176 been really good. But in terms of the 00:46:23.200 --> 00:46:24.776 face-to-face 00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.800 engagement um the halls committee 00:46:28.319 --> 00:46:30.055 would yeah it's just signaling their 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:31.656 their interests and willingness for 00:46:31.680 --> 00:46:34.680 halls to be used um for that purpose. So 00:46:35.520 --> 00:46:38.216 um when we come around to considering it 00:46:38.240 --> 00:46:40.456 again and how we can engage more in the 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:41.896 community that halls are kind of one of 00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:44.216 the first options that we explore. 00:46:44.240 --> 00:46:47.240 Thanks councelor Dy. Any other speakers 00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.095 put the motion? All those in favor 00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.575 carried unanimously. 00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:54.295 Then item 10.1, referral financial 00:46:54.319 --> 00:46:57.319 statements for audit counselors. 00:46:58.240 --> 00:47:00.136 Questions for Miss Jordan? I'm sure 00:47:00.160 --> 00:47:02.216 councelor Allen has some. 00:47:02.240 --> 00:47:04.536 No, he doesn't. 00:47:04.560 --> 00:47:06.055 Council O'Neil does. 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:09.079 Um would our um either CEO for you, Mr. 00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.176 Mayor, or our CFO explain the disposal 00:47:13.200 --> 00:47:16.200 of assets um items in there which I 00:47:16.640 --> 00:47:18.776 understand have affected our final 00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:21.800 result. 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.079 to to count on 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.016 through you Mr. Mayor. When a coun 00:47:37.040 --> 00:47:39.896 the disposal of assets was renewal of 00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:42.616 assets. So during the year council 00:47:42.640 --> 00:47:45.335 renewed assets that had not reached 00:47:45.359 --> 00:47:48.359 their full useful life included in 00:47:49.839 --> 00:47:50.936 no 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:51.496 renew 00:47:51.520 --> 00:47:54.456 renew. So it's as part of our capital 00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:57.335 works program. We had some capital works 00:47:57.359 --> 00:47:59.736 where the asset in question hadn't 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:01.016 reached its 00:48:01.040 --> 00:48:04.040 asset financial example. Could you use a 00:48:04.319 --> 00:48:06.295 complex? I'm about to use actually 00:48:06.319 --> 00:48:09.016 Arthur Kane Drive. So, as part of the 00:48:09.040 --> 00:48:12.040 works at the um airport, sorry, I've got 00:48:12.319 --> 00:48:13.496 notes here. 00:48:13.520 --> 00:48:16.136 As part of the works at the airport, 00:48:16.160 --> 00:48:18.456 we were given a grant to actually 00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:21.095 improve the safety and condition of that 00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:22.055 road. 00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:24.376 So, in doing that, we had to ride off a 00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:26.055 substantial part of road because it 00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:28.696 hadn't reached its useful life of the 00:48:28.720 --> 00:48:30.936 road as it stood. 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:33.960 So collectively there were $9.9 million 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.256 worth. It is a paper figure. It's not a 00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:39.815 cash figure. Um we had a similar 00:48:39.839 --> 00:48:41.656 incident last year where we wrote off 00:48:41.680 --> 00:48:44.680 the value of the biggest sports complex 00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.960 that was being revalued renewed. 00:48:49.520 --> 00:48:52.520 Just out of interest what I'm asking 00:48:52.720 --> 00:48:54.055 about a specific asset so I don't expect 00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:56.055 you to have the answer. How much how 00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:59.079 what was the um what was the lifespan 00:48:59.680 --> 00:49:02.680 remaining on maybe Vega um pavilion or 00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:04.936 PM pavilion or even the road that you're 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:06.216 talking about as well cuz I know that 00:49:06.240 --> 00:49:07.815 road was pretty bad there must have only 00:49:07.839 --> 00:49:09.176 been 6 months left depends what 00:49:09.200 --> 00:49:10.856 condition you wanted to be in council 00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:13.736 then 00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.760 I might have to take that on notice 00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:19.416 we have the recommendation to refer them 00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.496 for you have question 00:49:21.520 --> 00:49:22.616 just another question could you just 00:49:22.640 --> 00:49:25.016 explain the impact just take us through 00:49:25.040 --> 00:49:25.976 because there's quite a difference 00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.136 between the budget the final outcome 00:49:28.160 --> 00:49:29.736 seems to be the disposal of assets. If 00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:30.616 you could just take us through the 00:49:30.640 --> 00:49:33.640 figures 00:49:34.640 --> 00:49:37.416 including the disposal of assets. So 00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.335 council adopted a budget that had a 00:49:39.359 --> 00:49:42.359 surplus of $3.2 million. 00:49:42.640 --> 00:49:44.136 The 00:49:44.160 --> 00:49:46.696 disposal of assets was not included in 00:49:46.720 --> 00:49:48.535 those figures at all. So it had a 00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:51.416 negative impact compared to budget. The 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:54.216 budget figures are original budget. So 00:49:54.240 --> 00:49:56.856 council reviews that budget on three 00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.736 times during the year. One of the other 00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:01.736 changes was depreciation that was 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:04.760 reviewed in quarter 1 in our QBRS. Um 00:50:05.200 --> 00:50:07.256 and that reflected the large increase in 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:10.280 asset values last year. So asset values 00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:13.400 increase the depreciation will increase 00:50:13.520 --> 00:50:16.520 um in relation to that. Other changes 00:50:16.720 --> 00:50:18.696 were we did have an improvement in our 00:50:18.720 --> 00:50:20.055 investment income. We're very 00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:23.079 conservative in our investment 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.599 budget. Um, and we because we'd had 00:50:26.720 --> 00:50:29.416 works deferred, our cash had grown as 00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:32.136 well, which helped that figure. There 00:50:32.160 --> 00:50:34.616 was also the impact of the we had 00:50:34.640 --> 00:50:37.640 budgeted a full um financial assistance 00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:41.880 grant of um over $8 million. We had been 00:50:44.160 --> 00:50:47.016 prepaid that in the previous 3 days 00:50:47.040 --> 00:50:49.575 before the start of that financial year 00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:51.815 and then this year they had prepaid an 00:50:51.839 --> 00:50:54.616 amount but not to the same percentage. 00:50:54.640 --> 00:50:57.640 So it was a loss of about $2.3 million. 00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:02.599 Any further questions? Chances 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.800 just just thinking about it. Um and when 00:51:08.160 --> 00:51:10.456 you mentioned we conservatively budget 00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:13.480 for income from interest over the year 00:51:13.680 --> 00:51:16.456 there's been a very substantial increase 00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:18.696 in interest income that it wasn't 00:51:18.720 --> 00:51:21.176 originally budgeted for all right when 00:51:21.200 --> 00:51:24.200 we readjust that quarterly as you just 00:51:24.319 --> 00:51:27.176 said do we have an idea of how much 00:51:27.200 --> 00:51:28.696 additional money over and above the 00:51:28.720 --> 00:51:30.856 original budget that came in from 00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:33.880 interest and where that money was spent. 00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:38.760 We had over $4.5 million additional 00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:43.559 we've had additional income in our 00:51:43.839 --> 00:51:45.656 cash at in our bank account at the 00:51:45.680 --> 00:51:47.896 moment, Tony. So I'm not sure whether 00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:50.920 you can tie any change in QBR to that 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.280 interest increase 00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.960 out of interest that wasn't budgeted for 00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.535 at the beginning of the year. 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:03.559 We have more than $4.5 million in cash 00:52:03.839 --> 00:52:06.839 above what our budgeted figure was at 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:09.960 for the this financial year. 00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:12.295 So we don't specifically say that 00:52:12.319 --> 00:52:13.976 interest has come in and we've funded 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.295 this project with that money goes into 00:52:16.319 --> 00:52:17.416 consolidated funds. 00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:18.936 M when you refer that you're referring 00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:21.176 to a budget figure of 7 million I think 00:52:21.200 --> 00:52:22.936 was our be cash figure but we're 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:24.616 actually at 20 million and unrestricted 00:52:24.640 --> 00:52:25.016 cash. 00:52:25.040 --> 00:52:28.040 Unrestricted cash. Yes, that's correct. 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.016 Three, Mr. And just just to add to that, 00:52:31.040 --> 00:52:33.335 um if you 00:52:33.359 --> 00:52:36.359 if you look at that increase in 00:52:36.720 --> 00:52:37.575 restricted 00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:40.136 interest income that is partially 00:52:40.160 --> 00:52:42.776 driven by um higher than probably 00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:44.936 originally anticipated rates as part 00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:46.456 interest rates as part of that which are 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:49.256 reflection of what's happening in the 00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:51.176 economy with higher inflation that was 00:52:51.200 --> 00:52:52.856 previously predicted that then also gets 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.335 reflected in our future asset renewal 00:52:55.359 --> 00:52:57.736 cost which is then partially offsets 00:52:57.760 --> 00:52:59.335 that increase in depreciation. ation 00:52:59.359 --> 00:53:02.359 expense. So it's it's almost like the 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.496 positive of an increase in interest 00:53:05.520 --> 00:53:08.055 income is partially offset by a negative 00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:09.736 increase in depreciation expense which 00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:11.496 are both a reflection of change in 00:53:11.520 --> 00:53:14.520 economic conditions in the year. 00:53:15.359 --> 00:53:17.095 Well, I guess there's a neutralizing 00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:18.535 effect. So we've got a negative 00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:20.696 depreciation impact and a positive 00:53:20.720 --> 00:53:22.216 interest impact and the two tend to have 00:53:22.240 --> 00:53:23.736 a bit of a cancelling effect of each 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:25.736 other. 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:27.016 We have the recommendation. Any further 00:53:27.040 --> 00:53:29.416 questions? Anyone like to move the 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:31.335 recommendations? Councelor Nen, 00:53:31.359 --> 00:53:34.359 councelor O'Neil wish to speak to it? 00:53:35.040 --> 00:53:36.696 I'll just quickly speak to it. 00:53:36.720 --> 00:53:38.055 Compliment the staff for all the work 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:39.416 they've done. I know I've said it 00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:42.216 previously. three four years ago we 00:53:42.240 --> 00:53:43.736 started a continuous improvement 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:45.896 program. Now our reporting is a lot more 00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:47.976 clearer for everyone even for people 00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.000 whose unfinancial brain as I have at 00:53:51.040 --> 00:53:53.496 times. Um and our cash precision. Now I 00:53:53.520 --> 00:53:55.496 look at our cash position and I know we 00:53:55.520 --> 00:53:57.176 had a rate rise and everyone talks about 00:53:57.200 --> 00:53:58.936 the rate rise but we wouldn't have that 00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:00.456 cash position if we didn't have the rate 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:03.016 rise we weren't um make sure that we 00:54:03.040 --> 00:54:04.776 were in a position for our financial 00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:06.295 sustainability and while we still have 00:54:06.319 --> 00:54:08.696 challenges um we're far better off and I 00:54:08.720 --> 00:54:10.776 compare it to other regional councils as 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.736 well. Um thank you to all the staff who 00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:14.856 if you could pass that on to all the 00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:16.295 staff who have worked on our accounts 00:54:16.319 --> 00:54:17.815 and also with the orders I know how 00:54:17.839 --> 00:54:19.335 difficult the orders can be from time to 00:54:19.359 --> 00:54:21.335 time to deal with so thank our staff for 00:54:21.359 --> 00:54:23.416 that. Thank you. 00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:26.295 put the motion all those not council you 00:54:26.319 --> 00:54:27.016 wish to speak 00:54:27.040 --> 00:54:29.416 um ju just to add to um the Mayor's 00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:31.335 comments um the audit risk and 00:54:31.359 --> 00:54:32.696 improvement committee also looked at 00:54:32.720 --> 00:54:35.720 these statements um I think they were so 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:37.896 clear there wasn't actually a lot of 00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:39.896 questions going in there we also 00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:41.095 received an account that you've been 00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:43.416 working hard with the auditor to clarify 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:46.440 issues so that process is underway now 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.800 um I hope we can meet the deadline for 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:51.256 reporting to the office of local 00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:53.335 government Um and I also wanted to say 00:54:53.359 --> 00:54:55.815 thank you. It it's been exemplary. Every 00:54:55.839 --> 00:54:57.575 query gets answered from a counselor 00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:59.656 point of view. I can actually read these 00:54:59.680 --> 00:55:02.216 statements now whereas um I think a few 00:55:02.240 --> 00:55:03.736 years ago it would have been much much 00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:05.256 harder to work out what was actually 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:06.936 happening on the ground. So thank you 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.656 very much. But last point, um something 00:55:09.680 --> 00:55:12.680 that um councelor Allen has um 00:55:13.359 --> 00:55:15.016 brought up several times in the past 00:55:15.040 --> 00:55:18.040 that I really do take notice of um 00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:19.575 looking breaking out the different 00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:21.976 funds, the general fund where we are 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.000 still incurring more costs than we are 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:27.256 getting in income compared to our water 00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:28.856 and sewer where we have got good 00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:30.936 strategies in place and are building up 00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:33.960 reserves to do future work. 00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.440 I'll put the motion. All those in favor 00:55:38.720 --> 00:55:41.720 carried unanimously. Item 10.2 noting of 00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.295 the annual disclosures has been served. 00:55:44.319 --> 00:55:47.319 Council Nen second 00:55:47.359 --> 00:55:50.359 Porter. All those in favor unanimously 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:53.256 code of meeting practice. I'm sure this 00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:56.280 won't go through straight away 00:55:59.200 --> 00:56:02.200 to the recommendation. 00:56:02.240 --> 00:56:04.376 Another point you'd like to elaborate 00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:06.216 what the point is. Should we ask ask 00:56:06.240 --> 00:56:07.896 questions first though or 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:09.176 we'll find out what the point is first 00:56:09.200 --> 00:56:10.936 because maybe solve some of the 00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:13.960 questions. 00:56:21.680 --> 00:56:23.016 Are you putting in teams? I'm trying to 00:56:23.040 --> 00:56:24.616 put it into teams. 00:56:24.640 --> 00:56:25.736 I was just read it out. 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:28.696 I'll open that up. 00:56:28.720 --> 00:56:31.720 I'm not in teams. 00:56:32.720 --> 00:56:35.720 Let's get it. 00:56:37.040 --> 00:56:40.040 So I'll put it in chat 00:56:40.240 --> 00:56:43.240 in chat. Yeah, I just put in chat. Um 00:56:47.200 --> 00:56:49.176 I haven't got the chat. I'm sure has 00:56:49.200 --> 00:56:49.896 either 00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.616 now I just hit post. I haven't post. 00:56:52.640 --> 00:56:55.640 Could you read it out? Because 00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:56.775 00:56:56.799 --> 00:56:57.335 one chat. 00:56:57.359 --> 00:56:59.575 No, it didn't. Sorry, it didn't copy the 00:56:59.599 --> 00:56:59.976 Melon. 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:01.496 Yes, it did. It said that a further 00:57:01.520 --> 00:57:03.095 report be presented council. Is that it? 00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:04.775 Yeah, but it didn't include the words. 00:57:04.799 --> 00:57:07.799 So through Mr. Mayor, I'll read out um 00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:10.535 what it is so that everyone has it. The 00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:13.496 motion um that council p is alluding to 00:57:13.520 --> 00:57:15.095 would be that council endorse the draft 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:17.656 procedure 6.02.02 00:57:17.680 --> 00:57:19.416 code of meeting practice attachment one 00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:21.976 to this report for public exhibition for 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:23.976 a period of at least 28 days with 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:27.000 submissions be received for 42 days with 00:57:27.200 --> 00:57:29.335 the addition of the below supplementary 00:57:29.359 --> 00:57:32.359 provision being included as clause 17.2. 00:57:32.799 --> 00:57:35.799 21 which would say where upon review by 00:57:36.240 --> 00:57:38.055 the council it is determined by 00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.376 resolution that a decision made at a 00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:43.016 council meeting did not comply with 00:57:43.040 --> 00:57:44.856 meeting procedure or the adopted code of 00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:46.535 meeting practice that decision must be 00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:48.376 automatically listed for confirmation 00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:50.055 correction or recision at the next 00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:52.216 ordinary meeting of the council. The 00:57:52.240 --> 00:57:54.856 council may then confirm, amend or resin 00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:56.856 the decision as appropriate ensuring the 00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:58.775 integrity of council resolutions and 00:57:58.799 --> 00:58:01.416 meeting records. The process for review 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:03.736 may be initiated by any councelor 00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:05.335 through a notice of motion, point of 00:58:05.359 --> 00:58:07.176 order or by recommendation from the 00:58:07.200 --> 00:58:09.095 chief executive officer and must be 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:11.575 decided by a formal resolution of the 00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:14.599 council. Then part two is that a further 00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:17.176 report be presented to council on any 00:58:17.200 --> 00:58:19.256 submissions received or if no 00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:21.016 submissions are received the exhibited 00:58:21.040 --> 00:58:23.256 code of meeting practice be adopted and 00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:26.280 published on council's website. 00:58:28.240 --> 00:58:30.535 Oh, there might be disagreement to that. 00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:33.559 , any other questions first before so 00:58:33.839 --> 00:58:36.376 councelor Porter and councel want to 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:38.696 move that and I'll just give I'm going 00:58:38.720 --> 00:58:41.720 to foreshadow the recommendation 00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:45.575 council questions. 00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:47.575 Um, sorry these are penikity ones just 00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.376 to make sure I've got it right. Um, the 00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:53.256 removal at page 189 of the detail about 00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:56.280 how the sh will operate public forums. 00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:59.016 Um, is that somewhere else or do we do 00:58:59.040 --> 00:59:00.535 it separately? There's just an awful lot 00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.416 of text taken out there in the section 00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:06.440 on public forums. 00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:11.176 I'm not criticizing. I'm just trying to 00:59:11.200 --> 00:59:13.416 work out what it is. 00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.896 Um, I've got page 189 of the actual 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.920 council paper 00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:23.976 and I'll go there now just to make sure 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:27.000 I've got it right. 00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:31.880 189. 00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:38.599 Hope I've got that right. 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:41.736 Yeah, it's four. Yeah, it's all those 00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:44.760 four points. 00:59:53.200 --> 00:59:55.335 Um, I asked because at 4.2 two, it says 00:59:55.359 --> 00:59:56.696 the council may determine the rules 00:59:56.720 --> 00:59:58.055 under which the public foreigns are to 00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:00.216 be conducted, which is terrific. I just 01:00:00.240 --> 01:00:02.136 wondered since we're taking out the 01:00:02.160 --> 01:00:05.160 rules, where will they be? 01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:44.119 Well, through Mr. Mayor, I think that it 01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.535 is an error to have removed those bits 01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:49.256 that do spell out what we previously had 01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:52.136 in place and there was no intention to 01:00:52.160 --> 01:00:55.160 change that in this code. So, 01:00:57.359 --> 01:01:00.359 so the response would be that um 01:01:01.680 --> 01:01:03.575 I would add another point to the 01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:06.599 recommendation that the clauses in the 01:01:06.799 --> 01:01:08.616 attached 01:01:08.640 --> 01:01:11.176 code relating to rules of the public 01:01:11.200 --> 01:01:14.055 forum be reinstated prior to exhibition. 01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:15.896 Yeah. 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:18.920 Not as bad as I thought. 01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:28.696 One more, Mr. Mayor, if that's okay. 01:01:28.720 --> 01:01:31.720 Um, it's under 9.1 on page 199. It's 01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:35.960 9.13 to 9.19. 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:37.976 It's it seems to say that questions 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:40.136 without notice will be restricted. 01:01:40.160 --> 01:01:42.216 But again, I was wondering for is that 01:01:42.240 --> 01:01:44.295 that is the intent is it that there's 01:01:44.319 --> 01:01:45.896 it has been the intent previously that 01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:47.575 questions without notice are limited to 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:50.599 two per counselor. 01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:54.696 That's what I say. 01:01:54.720 --> 01:01:57.016 It's always been that way cuz from time 01:01:57.040 --> 01:01:58.535 to time I'm handed to the person next to 01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:01.559 me. That's how stupid it is. 01:02:03.520 --> 01:02:05.176 Council is trying to make five questions 01:02:05.200 --> 01:02:05.815 into one. 01:02:05.839 --> 01:02:08.839 Well, I know 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.000 council any further questions. 01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:15.896 So to council port and council non you 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:17.575 happy for what councelor O'Neil's 01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:20.055 brought up as 4.1 public forum to be 01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:22.616 included as another dot point that that 01:02:22.640 --> 01:02:25.640 be reinstated prior to exhibition. 01:02:26.160 --> 01:02:29.160 All righty. 01:02:29.359 --> 01:02:31.335 Anything else councilors before we start 01:02:31.359 --> 01:02:34.359 on the debate? Anything else? Council 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:37.095 Porter your motion. 01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:38.376 Thank you councilors. I think most of 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:40.856 you know the code of meeting practice 01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:42.535 quite well now. We've had a few looks at 01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:45.176 it. So, I'll just speak to the 01:02:45.200 --> 01:02:48.200 addition and it's really quite simple. 01:02:48.319 --> 01:02:51.319 Um the council CO CEO and I had a some 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:55.960 discussions about what if a minor 01:02:56.160 --> 01:02:57.976 procedural 01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:01.000 um error occurs during a meeting. Um and 01:03:01.200 --> 01:03:03.176 the example we used is what if there 01:03:03.200 --> 01:03:05.976 wasn't a second and it just went through 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.616 and and it wasn't picked up. Now, if the 01:03:08.640 --> 01:03:10.535 c if a counselor isn't quick enough to 01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:12.775 say point of order right there on the 01:03:12.799 --> 01:03:15.799 spot and and it's concluded, 01:03:15.839 --> 01:03:18.616 um the question then what happens? Well, 01:03:18.640 --> 01:03:20.535 when you look at the alternatives, it's 01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:22.616 quite it's quite sort of punitive and 01:03:22.640 --> 01:03:24.376 fingerpointing. You know, you can make a 01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:26.616 code of conduct against the Mayor. You 01:03:26.640 --> 01:03:29.095 can do a motion of dissension. I mean, 01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:31.416 all these these things when really all 01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:34.136 you need to do is rectify a minor 01:03:34.160 --> 01:03:36.456 procedural error. So, if something 01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.295 passed by and there actually wasn't a 01:03:38.319 --> 01:03:40.856 second to a motion, whoops, um, this 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:43.176 happened, the CEO has the ability to 01:03:43.200 --> 01:03:44.696 look at the video and say, "Oh, yes, 01:03:44.720 --> 01:03:46.775 there was a there was an error in that 01:03:46.799 --> 01:03:49.176 there. Let's just get the council to 01:03:49.200 --> 01:03:52.200 reconfirm that was the intent of the 01:03:52.240 --> 01:03:55.176 motion and who a seconder was. That's 01:03:55.200 --> 01:03:55.896 it. 01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:58.456 Thanks, Council Porter. 01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:01.176 Anyone wish to speak against that?" I 01:04:01.200 --> 01:04:03.256 I'll I'll start by speaking against it. 01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:06.280 just we already I I concur where council 01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:07.496 Porter is coming from, but we already 01:04:07.520 --> 01:04:08.856 have that procedure in place. It's 01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:10.616 called the minutes of adoption at the 01:04:10.640 --> 01:04:12.376 next council meeting. If we're not happy 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:13.976 with something that's in the minutes, we 01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:17.000 don't adopt them. Now, um I don't think 01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:18.535 anyone's ever voted against the minutes 01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:20.216 to be adopted. So, I don't see where 01:04:20.240 --> 01:04:23.095 we've had any problem with that. So, 01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:25.256 along the way, that's where where you 01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.095 actually adopted. So, I don't think we 01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:29.256 need any new policy. It's already there. 01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:31.575 We adopt the minutes as we did today of 01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:34.456 the previous meeting. So if we object to 01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:36.616 something that's in those minutes, that 01:04:36.640 --> 01:04:38.696 is the time to object and say that's not 01:04:38.720 --> 01:04:41.015 right and bring it up then. Um we 01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:42.696 there's three weeks between meetings, 01:04:42.720 --> 01:04:44.055 plenty of time for councils to go 01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:45.176 through their minutes. We're generally 01:04:45.200 --> 01:04:47.256 distributed within two or three days of 01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:50.055 the meeting um for us to read. So to me 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:52.136 it's already there but others may 01:04:52.160 --> 01:04:55.095 disagree. Um speaker for the motion. 01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:57.496 can I just question the CEO then on 01:04:57.520 --> 01:04:59.976 that? Can you just comment because not 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.000 only is this motion relating to minuteed 01:05:04.319 --> 01:05:05.896 things so let's say someone doesn't 01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:08.920 second a motion um it might be on I 01:05:09.200 --> 01:05:12.200 assume you're talking about perhaps um 01:05:12.640 --> 01:05:15.640 conduct as well of the you know someone 01:05:16.799 --> 01:05:19.015 went over 5 minutes or some I don't know 01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:20.216 I'm just thinking up things off the top 01:05:20.240 --> 01:05:23.240 of my head here but if there is a um a 01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:25.656 breach let's call it of the code of 01:05:25.680 --> 01:05:27.656 meeting practice 01:05:27.680 --> 01:05:29.656 that's how you want to raise it cuz I 01:05:29.680 --> 01:05:30.775 take your point about and I was thinking 01:05:30.799 --> 01:05:32.616 about that as well about adopting the 01:05:32.640 --> 01:05:35.095 minutes and that's valid but is that 01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:36.376 where you're aiming this at because 01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:39.400 that's how I intended it. 01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:40.696 Thank you councelor Nathan. Yes. If 01:05:40.720 --> 01:05:43.720 there is a if there is a a a procedural 01:05:44.319 --> 01:05:47.256 breach of the of the and and I say 01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:50.280 procedural breach rather than a you know 01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:53.335 an act of misconduct or anything. Um, 01:05:53.359 --> 01:05:55.256 now I I had a couple of conversations 01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:57.496 with the CEO about this and he was 01:05:57.520 --> 01:05:59.976 actually kind enough to help write this 01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:01.815 so it would fit in with what's already 01:06:01.839 --> 01:06:04.456 there and just be a very simple addition 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:07.480 to the process. Um, so it would come so 01:06:10.240 --> 01:06:13.240 Mr. that if you look at the way that the 01:06:13.680 --> 01:06:15.575 code is structured excluding this 01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:18.599 additional bit um and all of section 17 01:06:19.359 --> 01:06:21.815 which is around decisions of the council 01:06:21.839 --> 01:06:23.496 there are already a number of provisions 01:06:23.520 --> 01:06:25.176 in there that have the ability to 01:06:25.200 --> 01:06:27.575 correct errors 01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:30.055 but in saying that um what councelor 01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:32.696 Porter has proposed is very much in 01:06:32.720 --> 01:06:35.496 support of and align with that intent so 01:06:35.520 --> 01:06:37.575 it's not in conflict with it if anything 01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.599 it um reinforces things and The the one 01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:43.896 bit that is slightly different in that 01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:46.920 is that um if I was to identify anything 01:06:48.160 --> 01:06:50.696 as the CEO after say reviewing the 01:06:50.720 --> 01:06:52.136 recording of a meeting then I could 01:06:52.160 --> 01:06:54.376 trigger a reintroduction of that back to 01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:57.015 council. So it's really just reinforcing 01:06:57.039 --> 01:06:58.936 the intent that there's a way to correct 01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:00.456 things if they don't go right in a 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:02.216 council meeting. It's not in 01:07:02.240 --> 01:07:03.896 contradiction. If anything maybe it's a 01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:05.896 little bit repetitive but I don't see it 01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:08.856 either way being an issue. 01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:09.656 cancel. 01:07:09.680 --> 01:07:11.416 Um, yeah, the the only one thing I'd say 01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:13.736 in that I really like about this is that 01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:16.136 if it avoids a single code of conduct, 01:07:16.160 --> 01:07:17.656 I'll be happy. I don't like code of 01:07:17.680 --> 01:07:19.896 conducts. They're messy. They're silly 01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:21.736 and they there's something vindictive 01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:24.136 and that I don't like about them when it 01:07:24.160 --> 01:07:26.775 should be a procedural um correction. 01:07:26.799 --> 01:07:28.616 And so I I like that and I'm happy with 01:07:28.640 --> 01:07:30.775 the the words that you just um said then 01:07:30.799 --> 01:07:32.535 as well. It gives you the opportunity as 01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:35.416 CEO um a formal way to to inter 01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:36.856 intervene. So I mean I don't see a 01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:39.015 problem with it. council 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:40.936 you speak against or councelor daily 01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:42.136 councelor Neil 01:07:42.160 --> 01:07:45.160 um I think the Mayor has raised the 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:47.976 issue that I had and in most 01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.616 organizations that I've been involved in 01:07:50.640 --> 01:07:52.616 the minutes are really important for the 01:07:52.640 --> 01:07:54.936 staff you know they are the record of 01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:57.176 the meeting and the resolutions passed 01:07:57.200 --> 01:08:00.055 so if we can clear up the issues in the 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:02.535 minutes it gives a clear path to the 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:04.535 staff so I was very attracted by what 01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.696 the Mayor said of using the minutes to 01:08:06.720 --> 01:08:09.720 sort about any problems. 01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:12.535 Well, there's quite a lot actually in 01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:14.616 the in the minutes, but I have to say 01:08:14.640 --> 01:08:16.695 that since then the CEO has clarified 01:08:16.719 --> 01:08:18.376 this and sent there might you'll be 01:08:18.400 --> 01:08:20.695 you'll keep an eye on it from there, but 01:08:20.719 --> 01:08:22.135 it's just a question of whether we need 01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:23.655 the extra detail. 01:08:23.679 --> 01:08:25.976 Yeah, sir. Can I just clarify that the 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.456 provision is still definitely very much 01:08:28.480 --> 01:08:31.480 in this code to say that um 01:08:31.679 --> 01:08:33.655 changing the minutes at the time the 01:08:33.679 --> 01:08:34.936 minutes are going up is another 01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:36.616 mechanism to essentially do the same 01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:38.295 sort of thing. So it's just it's just 01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:40.856 like multiple mechanisms to ensure that 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:42.856 at the end of the day the right 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:44.536 decisions through the right processes 01:08:44.560 --> 01:08:46.856 are upheld and if anything it's just 01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:49.255 another minor little additional way to 01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:52.056 ensure that 01:08:52.080 --> 01:08:53.896 counc 01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:54.936 or against 01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.016 speaking against I I just had to some 01:08:57.040 --> 01:08:59.175 question speaker for first because 01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:01.335 councelor nil sp against any other 01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:04.215 speaker for speaker against 01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:06.376 thank you Mr. there. Um I just wanted to 01:09:06.400 --> 01:09:09.175 just focus in on one part of what's 01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:11.576 being proposed and that is recision. If 01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:14.456 we are talking about um and perhaps 01:09:14.480 --> 01:09:16.215 the CEO could help to answer this, but 01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:19.016 if we're talking about um we already 01:09:19.040 --> 01:09:22.040 have a mechanism by the minutes to um to 01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:25.255 to make confirmations and corrections to 01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:26.536 use the language in what's being 01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:29.560 proposed. Would would a recision be 01:09:31.040 --> 01:09:34.040 necessary if we're only talking about a 01:09:34.719 --> 01:09:37.719 pro like a procedural 01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:40.056 issues rather than if someone wants 01:09:40.080 --> 01:09:41.815 to put a recision motion for something 01:09:41.839 --> 01:09:44.839 that we've passed. Would there be like I 01:09:46.080 --> 01:09:47.976 just don't know if you could help to 01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:51.000 clarify if the recision aspect of this 01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:53.815 which you've got three months to do as I 01:09:53.839 --> 01:09:54.376 understand 01:09:54.400 --> 01:09:57.400 change to change a motion. So I guess So 01:09:57.840 --> 01:09:59.576 it's an alteration or recision. Is that 01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:00.456 what you mean? 01:10:00.480 --> 01:10:02.376 Recision motion has to be opposite to 01:10:02.400 --> 01:10:03.816 the motion car. 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:06.215 Yeah. I just if you could if well see 01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:08.215 but that goes beyond we're we're talking 01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.215 about Oh 01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:12.135 didn't get a second or or whatever but 01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:14.296 that seems to kind of go a step further 01:10:14.320 --> 01:10:16.536 if you could clarify. 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:18.616 Yeah. So through me Mr. Mayor clause 01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:21.640 17.6 is one of a few spots that refers 01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:24.920 to recisions. Um and it says a notice of 01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:27.736 motion to alter or rescender resolution 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:29.736 and a notice of motion which has the 01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:32.056 same effect as a mo motion which has 01:10:32.080 --> 01:10:33.655 been lost must be signed by three 01:10:33.679 --> 01:10:36.536 councils if less than 3 months. What I'm 01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:38.296 again what I'll reinforce is that is 01:10:38.320 --> 01:10:41.320 another existing mechanism to change a 01:10:42.080 --> 01:10:44.536 decision of council if the council on 01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:45.976 the whole doesn't think they've made the 01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:48.536 right decision whether it's because of 01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:50.456 the outcome if the process to get there 01:10:50.480 --> 01:10:53.480 was fine or if there's a reason that's 01:10:53.679 --> 01:10:55.175 process related they aren't happy with 01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:56.376 the decision they've made and they want 01:10:56.400 --> 01:10:59.096 to do it. So guess again it's just 01:10:59.120 --> 01:11:00.536 reinforcing that there's already 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:02.616 provisions around recisions that could 01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:04.616 be used as a mechanism to do the type of 01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:06.376 thing councilor Paul has alluded to but 01:11:06.400 --> 01:11:08.135 this is really just if anything 01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:10.296 reinforcing a couple of things that are 01:11:10.320 --> 01:11:13.096 in a couple of clauses and then the bit 01:11:13.120 --> 01:11:16.120 that is slightly different is that um if 01:11:16.320 --> 01:11:18.456 the CEO was to pick up something 01:11:18.480 --> 01:11:20.536 procedurally they could then be the one 01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:23.096 to reintroduce it to council. Yeah. Cuz 01:11:23.120 --> 01:11:24.536 typically what happens is it's the 01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:26.856 Mayor's meeting. If the Mayor has 01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:28.456 followed the procedure and they're happy 01:11:28.480 --> 01:11:30.456 that they've followed the procedure, 01:11:30.480 --> 01:11:33.096 then it's up to typically would be up to 01:11:33.120 --> 01:11:35.016 the the chair to decide if they've done 01:11:35.040 --> 01:11:36.616 anything procedurally incorrectly. This 01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:39.096 is what's proposed is another mechanism 01:11:39.120 --> 01:11:42.120 to reintroduce things. So, so yeah, 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:45.576 again, a recision motion could be used 01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:47.816 to correct a procedural error if a count 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:49.896 if a group of councilors chose to or to 01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:52.056 change the course of the actions the 01:11:52.080 --> 01:11:53.175 council's going to take. All 01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:56.199 you can do. Yeah. 01:11:56.239 --> 01:11:58.296 Not the procedural part around you could 01:11:58.320 --> 01:11:59.016 change it. 01:11:59.040 --> 01:12:01.175 No. Three, Mr. Mayor. Sorry. Three, Mr. 01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:04.135 Mayor. You can you can so you can um put 01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:07.159 forward a recision or alteration motion 01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:09.336 if you've got an issue with the 01:12:09.360 --> 01:12:12.135 procedure to get the procedure tidied 01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:14.215 up. 01:12:14.239 --> 01:12:17.239 Thanks, C. Council for your motion. 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:21.239 Um, I don't I don't concur with the 01:12:22.320 --> 01:12:23.736 comment of the Mayor that we've never 01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:26.616 had um changes to the to the minutes. 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:29.416 That certainly has happened um um 01:12:29.440 --> 01:12:32.440 previously. Um and so, you know, I think 01:12:32.719 --> 01:12:35.719 the point is here that this is about 01:12:37.040 --> 01:12:39.576 unintentional errors and just having a 01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:42.600 way to be able to smoothly and easily 01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:45.880 clear it up. I can't I can't understand 01:12:46.480 --> 01:12:49.480 for the life of me why anybody would not 01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:52.600 want to be able to resolve um any 01:12:53.679 --> 01:12:56.376 unintentional mistakes. I could only see 01:12:56.400 --> 01:12:57.976 that people would want to try and hang 01:12:58.000 --> 01:12:59.976 on to intentional mistakes. But if 01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:02.296 they're unintentional mistakes, then I 01:13:02.320 --> 01:13:04.215 could not see any reason why anybody 01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:07.239 would have an issue in wanting a a quick 01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:11.159 and simple, non-fingerpointing 01:13:11.360 --> 01:13:14.296 inexpensive simple way to clean it up 01:13:14.320 --> 01:13:16.135 and that's all it is. So I appreciate 01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:17.736 you voting for it. Thank you councilors. 01:13:17.760 --> 01:13:19.336 Thanks Council Porter. Put the motion. 01:13:19.360 --> 01:13:21.496 All those in favor? 01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:23.336 Councelor Porter, councelor Haggar, 01:13:23.360 --> 01:13:25.016 councelor Allen, Councelor Noble, 01:13:25.040 --> 01:13:27.416 Council Nen, Council Mudaliar. Those 01:13:27.440 --> 01:13:30.135 against council vispric council O'Neil 01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:32.296 council daily voting against motions 01:13:32.320 --> 01:13:35.320 carried thank you 10.4 Four adoption 01:13:36.480 --> 01:13:38.376 management of asbestous and silica 01:13:38.400 --> 01:13:40.376 amendments. 01:13:40.400 --> 01:13:42.616 Move council leaden. Any questions? 01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:45.640 Thank second for council leaden. 01:13:46.320 --> 01:13:49.320 Councelor Haggar second. Any questions? 01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:53.960 Got motion. All those in favor 01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:57.960 certificate investments August 2005 01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:01.416 10.5 council receive and note the 01:14:01.440 --> 01:14:03.816 report. 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:06.840 Council Niden second council Noble all 01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:10.520 those in favor unanimously September 20 01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:13.416 10.6 Six certificate investment 01:14:13.440 --> 01:14:15.976 September 2025. 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:18.056 Councelor Noville happy to move. 01:14:18.080 --> 01:14:21.080 Councelor Dailyy a second. 01:14:22.400 --> 01:14:24.135 Any questions council? All those in 01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:27.159 favor? Carried unanimously. 01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:31.800 Staff reports executive services 01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:34.456 11.1 01:14:34.480 --> 01:14:37.480 Mr. CEO 01:14:39.199 --> 01:14:41.576 council N having a moment. Yeah, this is 01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:42.776 what 01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:45.800 I'll second that poorly. 01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:50.215 Year ago. 01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:52.216 Yeah. 01:14:52.240 --> 01:14:55.240 [Music] 01:14:58.320 --> 01:15:01.320 Wish to speak to it. 01:15:04.080 --> 01:15:07.080 Anyone wish to speak against? 01:15:09.440 --> 01:15:11.816 I'll speak for it and against it in one 01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:14.840 go. I'm gonna vote for it. 01:15:19.280 --> 01:15:20.856 Like the at the end of the day, they're 01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:23.336 community wards and the councilors are 01:15:23.360 --> 01:15:24.856 saying we're in control of it, which is 01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:27.880 fine and no volunteers or community is 01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:30.376 involved. Now, I know we've had our 01:15:30.400 --> 01:15:31.976 problems with community members taking 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:33.576 participation. We have trouble with the 01:15:33.600 --> 01:15:36.600 community putting in nominations. Um, 01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:38.376 you know, I think councilors are going 01:15:38.400 --> 01:15:41.096 to have to become very aware of in their 01:15:41.120 --> 01:15:42.616 own community and who the people are 01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:44.616 that should be nominated if they wish to 01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:46.056 because councils will be leading this 01:15:46.080 --> 01:15:49.080 totally and it creates a void there if 01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:52.695 we don't get the right nominations and 01:15:52.719 --> 01:15:54.616 things like that. So, I see good and bad 01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:57.640 in this. Um, it just I've sat on the 01:15:57.920 --> 01:16:00.920 committee now since 01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:04.520 2014 or 16. I think I first got on it 01:16:04.719 --> 01:16:07.655 when Christy McBain first become Mayor 01:16:07.679 --> 01:16:09.336 and her and I sat on it and then since 01:16:09.360 --> 01:16:10.936 I've been Mayor I've sat on it as well. 01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:13.336 So I've seen a lack of nominations from 01:16:13.360 --> 01:16:15.336 the community and at times where we've 01:16:15.360 --> 01:16:17.096 had to go to the community and basically 01:16:17.120 --> 01:16:18.536 ask for people to be nominated because 01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:20.376 we knew there was deserving winners out 01:16:20.400 --> 01:16:22.215 there who weren't getting nominated. So 01:16:22.239 --> 01:16:23.896 that's what concerns me with councilors 01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:25.256 running it that we don't get the 01:16:25.280 --> 01:16:26.936 community involvement and we're going to 01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:28.536 have to promote it properly through the 01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:30.456 terms of reference that we do get that. 01:16:30.480 --> 01:16:33.016 So while I vote for it, I'm just saying 01:16:33.040 --> 01:16:34.776 to councilors there is words of warning 01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:37.576 here around this for us. So 01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:39.336 and I just follow up on that. 01:16:39.360 --> 01:16:41.736 You certainly can counsel. Yes. 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:43.256 I just like to confirm what the Mayor's 01:16:43.280 --> 01:16:46.056 saying and say it's um it's we are 01:16:46.080 --> 01:16:48.135 elected representatives and in this 01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:50.536 situation it's it's beholden on us to 01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:52.215 reach out to the community and and and 01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:54.215 let them know that this is our position 01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:57.239 and so that they can feed um um expected 01:16:57.280 --> 01:16:58.536 nominations through us. and hopefully 01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:00.456 that there's more there's nine people 01:17:00.480 --> 01:17:02.536 out there in the community collecting um 01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:04.616 data on collecting names and um 01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:07.256 opportunities to to to diversify the 01:17:07.280 --> 01:17:09.576 awards program and and and make and move 01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:10.695 it forward. Thank you. 01:17:10.719 --> 01:17:12.536 Thanks. Councelor Haggar for the motion. 01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:15.496 All those in favor carried unanimously. 01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:17.256 There's no council reports. There's no 01:17:17.280 --> 01:17:20.135 recision alteration motions 01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:22.296 notice of motion. Councelor Haggar, do 01:17:22.320 --> 01:17:23.976 you have a second for your motion? 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:27.000 Council Haggar. Councelor Daly, over to 01:17:27.679 --> 01:17:29.576 you, Council Haggar. 01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:31.496 Um, just before we kick off, it's a bit 01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:33.576 of an omnibus. Um, and it's called 01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:35.336 secondary dwellings, but it's not just 01:17:35.360 --> 01:17:37.496 secondary dwellings. There's also a few 01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:39.816 parts of the motion that are about um 01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:42.695 temporary accommodation and the 01:17:42.719 --> 01:17:45.719 particularly the um the part about 01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:49.960 um definition of um household that's 01:17:50.400 --> 01:17:52.536 more about um people living in caravans 01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:53.655 than people living in secondary 01:17:53.679 --> 01:17:55.896 dwellings. Um I know that there's a 01:17:55.920 --> 01:17:57.896 couple of councilors keen to put up 01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:00.616 amendments to that. So do we how do we 01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:01.736 want to deal with that? May do you want 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:03.336 to deal with that first or 01:18:03.360 --> 01:18:04.936 they can ask you whether you're willing 01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:06.296 to accept their amendments but 01:18:06.320 --> 01:18:09.175 yeah so I I know that um councelor Nen 01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:11.336 and councelor Daly both have um 01:18:11.360 --> 01:18:12.616 amendments that they would like to put 01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:14.536 up. So might I suggest that we hear from 01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:15.336 them 01:18:15.360 --> 01:18:16.856 and well they can ask you whether you're 01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:18.456 willing to accept their their amendments 01:18:18.480 --> 01:18:21.480 or they have to foreshadow a motion lose 01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:23.896 their amendments. All right. Well, um, 01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:26.776 Mr. Mayor, thank you. Um, so my you're 01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:27.896 seconding. 01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:29.736 Yeah. And I don't know what your um were 01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:31.175 going to suggest if it was the same as 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:34.135 mine, but it was your.5 councelor Haggar, 01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:36.776 that um that we request the New South 01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:39.800 Wales government to clarify and and give 01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:42.616 definition to or broad definition 01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:44.215 you've said here, develop a broad 01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:47.239 definition of household member. 01:18:48.320 --> 01:18:50.616 So that's that's your amendment. 01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:53.640 Yeah, I'm happy to accept that. 01:18:54.080 --> 01:18:55.736 So instead of investigate the legality 01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:57.336 of developing a broad definition of 01:18:57.360 --> 01:18:58.856 household management that we request New 01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:01.016 South Wales government to broad define 01:19:01.040 --> 01:19:02.296 that. 01:19:02.320 --> 01:19:04.456 Yeah. The the the intention is that we 01:19:04.480 --> 01:19:06.135 look at broadening the definition of 01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.159 household members so that um in a crisis 01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:11.576 situation if someone if someone doesn't 01:19:11.600 --> 01:19:13.736 have a house and they um need emergency 01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:16.536 accommodation in a caravan that we take 01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:18.695 a very broad definition of what um 01:19:18.719 --> 01:19:20.296 extended householder is. That's the 01:19:20.320 --> 01:19:23.320 hope. Um so that um you know if if a 01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:25.336 church group for example knows that 01:19:25.360 --> 01:19:27.976 someone is um sleeping rough that they 01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:29.655 can talk to their their church community 01:19:29.679 --> 01:19:31.496 and find out who's willing to put up 01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:33.816 someone with a caravan. So that's so 01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:35.655 primarily it's not aimed at financial 01:19:35.679 --> 01:19:37.336 transactions but it's aimed at um 01:19:37.360 --> 01:19:39.416 solving community problems that's going 01:19:39.440 --> 01:19:40.856 to become that is already an issue in 01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:43.655 our community. Um building this in um 01:19:43.679 --> 01:19:45.576 extending that idea of household allows 01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:47.016 that opportunity to build resilience 01:19:47.040 --> 01:19:48.056 into our community. 01:19:48.080 --> 01:19:49.576 Talk to the motion yet. 01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:52.296 just trying to work out something. 01:19:52.320 --> 01:19:54.376 So, council n so I'm trying to get 01:19:54.400 --> 01:19:56.856 what.5 will be then that 01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:58.695 that New South Wales government 01:19:58.719 --> 01:20:01.655 investigates the legality of developing 01:20:01.679 --> 01:20:03.496 a broad definition of household member. 01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:05.096 Well, I mean it's legal for them to do 01:20:05.120 --> 01:20:06.936 it because they're government. But um I 01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:08.616 I'm just requesting that the New South 01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:11.640 Wales government um further define 01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:14.456 what a household member is. 01:20:14.480 --> 01:20:15.256 Um 01:20:15.280 --> 01:20:16.936 do you want a separate point, council? 01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:18.695 with with I'd like with an intention of 01:20:18.719 --> 01:20:20.456 it broadening that de or taking as broad 01:20:20.480 --> 01:20:22.695 a possible definition. 01:20:22.719 --> 01:20:23.736 I still think the 01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:25.496 could could I ask just a question on 01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:28.520 this um to to this I think to the CEO 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:32.695 through you Mr. Mayor if we ask the New 01:20:32.719 --> 01:20:34.856 South Wales government to do that given 01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:37.880 the glacial pace of legislative change 01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:41.159 what are we going to do in the meantime 01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:43.576 Mr. May the answer is that in the 01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:46.600 meantime um we are going to make up our 01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:49.496 own interpretation and be exposed to 01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:52.376 challenge in a court case um where we 01:20:52.400 --> 01:20:54.536 will then be liable to pay legal fees to 01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:56.456 get the court to make a definition that 01:20:56.480 --> 01:20:58.135 the government could potentially do for 01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:01.159 us. That's the response 01:21:01.280 --> 01:21:02.376 to 01:21:02.400 --> 01:21:03.175 I was going to say 01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:05.416 council Dana your amendment 01:21:05.440 --> 01:21:08.135 very simple. So you're proposing that 01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:10.376 this is an initial period of two 01:21:10.400 --> 01:21:12.776 years. My amendment would be a 7 to say 01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:15.800 that after 21 months a report be 01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:19.159 brought um to council um just covering 01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:22.135 what the impact of these changes have 01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:24.856 been so that we can see 01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:27.880 so that we can see you you know if we've 01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:31.560 if this has if this omnibus um notice of 01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:33.496 motion has had the intent that you've 01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:35.655 been looking for particularly around 01:21:35.679 --> 01:21:38.056 secondary dwellings so that we can see I 01:21:38.080 --> 01:21:40.456 know I know that the the data says I 01:21:40.480 --> 01:21:42.376 that's in in the background that there's 01:21:42.400 --> 01:21:44.616 been three of these secondary dwellings 01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:47.640 approved in the past 12 months. Um I'd 01:21:49.040 --> 01:21:51.976 be interested to know whether in two in 01:21:52.000 --> 01:21:53.896 almost two years time if there's any 01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:55.976 increased uptake you know that's 01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:57.416 incentivized by other housing measures 01:21:57.440 --> 01:22:00.440 that we put in place or by removing the 01:22:00.480 --> 01:22:03.256 um or reducing the um costs as you 01:22:03.280 --> 01:22:04.296 outlined here. 01:22:04.320 --> 01:22:07.016 Why did you build secondary? No, I think 01:22:07.040 --> 01:22:10.040 we don't have before council. Can I just 01:22:10.080 --> 01:22:12.376 ask the CEO to say tell us how that 01:22:12.400 --> 01:22:15.400 would be implemented? 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:17.256 Yeah. 01:22:17.280 --> 01:22:20.280 Oh, I got a reply. 01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:23.016 Sorry. Can I just point of clarification 01:22:23.040 --> 01:22:25.896 on what councelor Daly is suggesting? 01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:28.920 Um, the purpose of that report coming 01:22:29.040 --> 01:22:31.096 back after 21 months would be to 01:22:31.120 --> 01:22:33.655 consider any possible extension. 01:22:33.679 --> 01:22:36.456 Yeah. Yes. Thank you. Councelor Porter 01:22:36.480 --> 01:22:39.480 would be to consider an extension or an 01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:41.655 alternate um course of action. 01:22:41.679 --> 01:22:42.856 I was just thinking if that's the 01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:45.496 intention then it should say that. So it 01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:47.496 should say that so council preparing the 01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:49.655 report know what's going to be 01:22:49.679 --> 01:22:50.776 considered. Thanks. 01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:52.936 Yeah, I I appreciate that and I'm happy 01:22:52.960 --> 01:22:55.960 to um include that as part of point 7. 01:22:56.639 --> 01:22:59.175 Mr. Se how would that practically work? 01:22:59.199 --> 01:23:01.416 So M on the last part about reports 01:23:01.440 --> 01:23:03.175 that's relatively simple. we can report 01:23:03.199 --> 01:23:05.016 back any time and if a council had just 01:23:05.040 --> 01:23:06.776 asked us the question on how is the 01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:08.376 implementation of this resolution 01:23:08.400 --> 01:23:09.736 progressing and what's the impact we 01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:11.336 provide the answer at any time. So 01:23:11.360 --> 01:23:13.816 that's relatively straightforward. 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:15.576 There are a couple of things in this 01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:17.655 motion um that I think it is important 01:23:17.679 --> 01:23:19.496 to put on the public record about what 01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:22.135 it would practically look like. If you 01:23:22.159 --> 01:23:24.215 think about how we issue development 01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:26.536 consents, essentially we can issue a a 01:23:26.560 --> 01:23:29.560 DA um that says here's all the 01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:31.896 conditions of the DA and people got 5 01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:34.856 years to activate that consent. So what 01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:37.016 we will actually practically be doing if 01:23:37.040 --> 01:23:39.655 this gets supported is we will still be 01:23:39.679 --> 01:23:41.736 having a condition of consent that says 01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:44.695 these things um are required to be paid. 01:23:44.719 --> 01:23:47.719 But if people action their consent 01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:50.776 within that window then those we will be 01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:52.536 able to sign off to say those conditions 01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:55.016 have essentially been met if it's within 01:23:55.040 --> 01:23:57.016 that window. The reason we this is 01:23:57.040 --> 01:23:58.376 really important is the last thing we 01:23:58.400 --> 01:24:00.536 want to do I know this is not your 01:24:00.560 --> 01:24:03.560 intent is to get people a consent for a 01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:05.175 secondary dwelling that means they don't 01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:07.016 have to pay contributions and then they 01:24:07.040 --> 01:24:08.776 sell it to someone that in 5 years time 01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:11.800 goes off and and actions it. So just 01:24:12.080 --> 01:24:13.655 practically I'm saying this because 01:24:13.679 --> 01:24:15.736 people will still get conditions of 01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:17.976 consent that are going to need a bit of 01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:21.000 understanding. 01:24:23.360 --> 01:24:26.360 Councilors any further questions council 01:24:26.639 --> 01:24:28.296 I have a question in rel It's probably 01:24:28.320 --> 01:24:30.135 more for council actually in relation to 01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:33.016 number two the implementing of the 01:24:33.040 --> 01:24:34.936 2-year trial. Why do we have to have a 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:36.695 two-year trial? Why can't we just open 01:24:36.719 --> 01:24:39.719 it up a bit more than two years or none 01:24:40.080 --> 01:24:42.056 at all? 01:24:42.080 --> 01:24:44.376 Three, Mr. Mayor. I think one of the 01:24:44.400 --> 01:24:47.400 reasons why um from a staff perspective, 01:24:48.480 --> 01:24:50.376 the value in having a 2-year trial is 01:24:50.400 --> 01:24:52.936 that it's it's long enough um to see if 01:24:52.960 --> 01:24:55.816 it results in any action, but it's also 01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:58.615 not that long that um potentially 01:24:58.639 --> 01:25:00.936 unpredictable financial consequences for 01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:03.016 council don't get too out of hand. that 01:25:03.040 --> 01:25:05.336 gives you um 01:25:05.360 --> 01:25:07.016 you're setting a clear I think you're 01:25:07.040 --> 01:25:09.416 setting a clear message to say get your 01:25:09.440 --> 01:25:11.016 skates on people if you're interested in 01:25:11.040 --> 01:25:12.215 doing this cuz we want to see the 01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:15.239 impact. if you don't if you if you 01:25:17.199 --> 01:25:19.496 didn't do it this way, you could do it 01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:21.576 any time frame. It just doesn't prevent 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:23.976 you from changing your policy position 01:25:24.000 --> 01:25:25.736 in the future. I guess it just doesn't 01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:28.536 show that real incentive for action now. 01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:30.936 That's probably how I'd frame it. So the 01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:33.416 time frame is actually so don't make it 01:25:33.440 --> 01:25:35.416 too short because you won't have time to 01:25:35.440 --> 01:25:37.576 see if anything is happening. But you 01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:39.816 could make it as long as you want. 01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:41.416 If you make it indefinite though, it's 01:25:41.440 --> 01:25:42.936 an LEAP change, isn't it? So that's a 01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:45.896 whole other ball game. 01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:47.976 Sorry, Mr. M. No, it's it's not a um 01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:49.816 leap change. It's a policy position 01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:52.056 change of council. So council um could 01:25:52.080 --> 01:25:54.856 make that policy position change if it 01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.016 chose to and 01:25:57.040 --> 01:25:59.496 based on that what you were saying we 01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:02.456 actually didn't have a 711 contribution 01:26:02.480 --> 01:26:04.296 for secondary dwellings 12 months ago. 01:26:04.320 --> 01:26:06.695 It was introduced then. Is that right? 01:26:06.719 --> 01:26:08.376 So through ME quick little bit of 01:26:08.400 --> 01:26:10.776 history is that our previous um 01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:12.936 developer contributions plans didn't 01:26:12.960 --> 01:26:15.096 have provision in there explicitly for 01:26:15.120 --> 01:26:17.496 secondary dwellings. The reason for that 01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:20.056 is that historically secondary dwellings 01:26:20.080 --> 01:26:22.615 weren't even conceived in most of our 01:26:22.639 --> 01:26:24.536 zones of permissible use. So it's now 01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:26.615 that we've updated our LAP to allow 01:26:26.639 --> 01:26:28.135 secondary dwellings in a lot more zones. 01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:31.159 It's actually become a more um feasible 01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:33.256 development that is something that's now 01:26:33.280 --> 01:26:35.096 contemplated in the new plan that we 01:26:35.120 --> 01:26:37.496 adopted last year. 01:26:37.520 --> 01:26:39.016 And that's probably where my questions 01:26:39.040 --> 01:26:41.336 start coming in. 01:26:41.360 --> 01:26:43.655 I I I want to support this, but I also 01:26:43.679 --> 01:26:45.576 have people who have just got their DA 01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:47.256 approval and have just lodged for a 01:26:47.280 --> 01:26:48.695 construction certificate. You 01:26:48.719 --> 01:26:50.695 mean DA for secondary? 01:26:50.719 --> 01:26:52.456 No, for any drilling, 01:26:52.480 --> 01:26:55.416 right? And one in particular, I can 01:26:55.440 --> 01:26:56.536 quote the figures off the top of my 01:26:56.560 --> 01:26:59.560 head, has been hit with his 01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:03.159 section 64 and his 7-Eleven charges come 01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:06.840 to $47,000 on a $400,000 house. 01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:10.296 Um, but we're considering and this is 01:27:10.320 --> 01:27:11.896 his very first home to put his family 01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:14.056 in. Yet, we're talking about secondary 01:27:14.080 --> 01:27:16.536 dwellings here that people already have 01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:19.096 a dwelling and then offering concession 01:27:19.120 --> 01:27:22.120 to them to build a secondary dwelling, 01:27:22.159 --> 01:27:23.576 right? Which I don't have a problem 01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:25.736 with. I don't have a problem with us us 01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:27.976 doing that. But at the same time, we 01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:29.816 have to be aware of the other people and 01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:31.096 what are we going to do around that if 01:27:31.120 --> 01:27:32.615 we're going to do anything around it. 01:27:32.639 --> 01:27:33.736 And then we start talking about our 01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:35.175 headworks charges. And most of the 01:27:35.199 --> 01:27:36.615 secondary dwellings I get approached 01:27:36.639 --> 01:27:39.016 about are on rural properties which is a 01:27:39.040 --> 01:27:41.576 totally different avenue again outside 01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:43.896 our outside our residential stuff our 01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:46.920 services. So um and it was interesting 01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:49.576 when the previous meeting when um 01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:51.016 director Harrison actually said there 01:27:51.040 --> 01:27:53.016 was only 10 I think it was secondary 01:27:53.040 --> 01:27:54.615 dwellings approved I was a bit taken 01:27:54.639 --> 01:27:55.175 back 01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:57.655 that there was only 10. Um but that's 01:27:57.679 --> 01:27:59.736 because of this 01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:01.976 three I think over a period of time 01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:03.256 there was three in the last six this 01:28:03.280 --> 01:28:05.096 year so far but over the 12 months it 01:28:05.120 --> 01:28:08.120 was 10 or something like that. So yeah 01:28:08.320 --> 01:28:09.736 they were very low numbers. Yeah. And I 01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:11.736 was a bit taken back by it. So I want to 01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:13.976 support the motion but I also want to um 01:28:14.000 --> 01:28:15.896 bring up the other factors and part of 01:28:15.920 --> 01:28:17.896 my problem here is and as I've talked to 01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:20.856 councelor Hagar about is with RU2 land 01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:23.096 and the inability to subdivide that. 01:28:23.120 --> 01:28:25.336 we've we approved a planning proposal 01:28:25.360 --> 01:28:27.655 today that allows a smaller lot 01:28:27.679 --> 01:28:30.056 subdivision, but I have residents inside 01:28:30.080 --> 01:28:33.080 that where that subdivision is who can't 01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:35.655 subdivide their land. They're closer to 01:28:35.679 --> 01:28:36.856 the town and they have the smaller 01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:39.880 acreage than that acreage. So I think 01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:42.615 right across the board we need to I'd 01:28:42.639 --> 01:28:44.376 love to redo leap and I think I could 01:28:44.400 --> 01:28:45.816 solve the housing problems in big valley 01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:47.175 sh by being allowed to do it but we 01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:49.576 don't we're not allowed to do it but we 01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:51.175 can't do it. So I want to support the 01:28:51.199 --> 01:28:52.536 motion but I just want people to be 01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:53.816 aware of those things and I don't know 01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:55.336 whether the CEO can answer that. It's 01:28:55.360 --> 01:28:56.856 more of a statement than anything. 01:28:56.880 --> 01:28:58.135 There is something you said that 01:28:58.159 --> 01:29:00.376 yeah probably through Mr. May one thing 01:29:00.400 --> 01:29:01.976 that is really important to clarify in 01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:03.736 all this around the headworks charges is 01:29:03.760 --> 01:29:06.760 how that actually happens because um if 01:29:07.120 --> 01:29:09.016 if you are talking about someone 01:29:09.040 --> 01:29:11.976 building the first dwelling on a lot um 01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:13.976 typically what will have happened is 01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:17.000 that if it's a an old old subdivision 01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:19.496 that that lot was created in they won't 01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:22.296 have paid headworks at the time. So when 01:29:22.320 --> 01:29:24.056 the building DA is lodged they'll be 01:29:24.080 --> 01:29:26.135 liable for the headworks at that point. 01:29:26.159 --> 01:29:27.096 But then we have 01:29:27.120 --> 01:29:29.576 agents don't tell them. No. And then um 01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:31.496 with relatively new subdivisions, the 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:33.256 headworks charges will have been paid at 01:29:33.280 --> 01:29:35.416 subdivision stage. So it's not even um 01:29:35.440 --> 01:29:37.736 till people do proper inquiries, it's 01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:39.096 not obvious up front whether they're 01:29:39.120 --> 01:29:41.175 going to be liable on the lot for 01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:43.096 headworks for that first build. 01:29:43.120 --> 01:29:44.615 Right. So can we just go back to 01:29:44.639 --> 01:29:47.496 councelor Haggar's motion? So point five, 01:29:47.520 --> 01:29:49.496 I just want to clarify what the five and 01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:52.520 seven will be. Um so that in request the 01:29:54.400 --> 01:29:55.896 New South Wales government to 01:29:55.920 --> 01:29:58.296 investigate the legality of developing a 01:29:58.320 --> 01:29:59.896 broad definition of household member 01:29:59.920 --> 01:30:01.655 that can be used in the proposed local 01:30:01.679 --> 01:30:03.736 approvals policy. 01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:06.615 Mr. Mayor, the wording I had um was that 01:30:06.639 --> 01:30:08.776 council requests the state government to 01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:10.936 provide further clarity on the 01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:13.096 definition of household 01:30:13.120 --> 01:30:16.120 with as broad a definition as possible. 01:30:16.639 --> 01:30:18.056 You happy with that council Haggar? 01:30:18.080 --> 01:30:19.416 Councelor Daly, you happy with that? 01:30:19.440 --> 01:30:21.736 There's 0.5 01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:22.615 as well member. 01:30:22.639 --> 01:30:23.336 Yes. 01:30:23.360 --> 01:30:26.360 7. So we're happy from 1 to six so far. 01:30:26.400 --> 01:30:29.400 7 01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:30.376 council 01:30:30.400 --> 01:30:33.400 that that a report be brought back to 01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:36.615 council outlining. Do you want me to 01:30:36.639 --> 01:30:37.896 just put it in the chat? Wouldn't it be 01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:38.936 quicker? Better say 01:30:38.960 --> 01:30:41.496 you better say that the report be 01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:43.896 brought back to council in 21 months 01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:46.920 time outlining the impact of the 01:30:47.440 --> 01:30:50.440 motion um and that the report be for 01:30:52.320 --> 01:30:54.856 decision on on 01:30:54.880 --> 01:30:55.416 future use 01:30:55.440 --> 01:30:57.336 future use 01:30:57.360 --> 01:30:58.856 on on expansion or 01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:01.496 yeah onion or otherwise 01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:04.520 happy with that council 01:31:05.679 --> 01:31:07.096 we got one to seven back to you you can 01:31:07.120 --> 01:31:08.695 speak to your motion Yeah, excuse me. 01:31:08.719 --> 01:31:09.896 You can speak your motion, councelor 01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:11.816 Haggar, and thank you for putting up. 01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:14.776 Thank you. Um, so this council has 01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:16.296 already moved to allow secondary 01:31:16.320 --> 01:31:18.776 dwellings on a lot of a lot of um blocks 01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:21.336 across the bigger valley shire and as 01:31:21.360 --> 01:31:22.776 the Mayor's already pointed out, the 01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:25.576 number that have been taken up are 01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:27.816 surprisingly low. I think there's a lack 01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:29.576 of awareness in the community that this 01:31:29.600 --> 01:31:32.600 is an option. Um so one reason for this 01:31:33.679 --> 01:31:35.976 motion is a signal to the market to let 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:37.096 the market know that these are 01:31:37.120 --> 01:31:39.976 available. Um particularly in our sewer 01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:42.695 towns and villages um it is a lot easier 01:31:42.719 --> 01:31:45.719 to look at um straightforward 01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:47.496 development in our towns and villages 01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:49.175 where we don't have bail issues where we 01:31:49.199 --> 01:31:51.816 don't have um riparian issues where we 01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:54.840 have access to sewer and water. Um, and 01:31:56.159 --> 01:31:57.816 this is a message, this is something 01:31:57.840 --> 01:32:00.135 that our community can use to to provide 01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:02.376 accommodation, whether that's um mom and 01:32:02.400 --> 01:32:04.776 dad deciding to move into a secondary 01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:06.456 dwelling so that the kids can have the 01:32:06.480 --> 01:32:09.336 home. Um, I I understand the Mayor's 01:32:09.360 --> 01:32:11.336 concern that some because of the nature 01:32:11.360 --> 01:32:14.360 of um federal funding and um first home 01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:16.856 buyer grants that they're tailored 01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:19.880 towards either a strateed unit or a 01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:22.056 house and land package. It would be 01:32:22.080 --> 01:32:24.856 fabulous if we could see that expanded 01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:26.536 at federal government level to allow 01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:28.936 access to more funding for people to to 01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:31.736 access home homes like this. I think it 01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:33.496 builds community. Um it's certainly 01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:34.936 something that First Nation communities 01:32:34.960 --> 01:32:36.776 could be using to um have multiple 01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:39.800 generations living um within within the 01:32:40.159 --> 01:32:42.856 same land area but um not necessarily in 01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:44.776 the same bedroom as they often are now. 01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:46.776 So it allows them to expand that living 01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:49.655 space but remain connection remain 01:32:49.679 --> 01:32:51.336 connected to communities. It gives 01:32:51.360 --> 01:32:53.976 opportunities for um um churches and 01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:55.736 other social and social justice 01:32:55.760 --> 01:32:58.615 advocates to work with community um to 01:32:58.639 --> 01:33:01.175 provide um extra housing for um 01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:03.175 affordable housing for rent. So all of 01:33:03.199 --> 01:33:05.096 those things enable the community at 01:33:05.120 --> 01:33:07.576 very low cost to to the council. It is 01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:10.215 not enough. It will never be enough um 01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:12.615 until you know everyone is housed. But I 01:33:12.639 --> 01:33:14.456 urge council to support this as one 01:33:14.480 --> 01:33:17.480 measure um that we can take. 01:33:18.400 --> 01:33:21.256 Hey speaker against 01:33:21.280 --> 01:33:23.976 any speaker against speaker for another 01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:24.856 council name. 01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:26.536 Um yeah I will support this in fact I'm 01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:28.456 a little bit excited about it because um 01:33:28.480 --> 01:33:30.856 I think it's very prodevelopment 01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:32.615 um um from someone that you know 01:33:32.639 --> 01:33:34.615 normally I wouldn't have expected it 01:33:34.639 --> 01:33:36.936 from. Um, and I think it opens up a lot 01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:39.496 of market opportunities here because um, 01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:41.496 we know that one of the issues that we 01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:43.896 face in the big valley is when um, 01:33:43.920 --> 01:33:45.496 retired couples are living in large 01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:47.896 homes, they don't necessarily want to 01:33:47.920 --> 01:33:50.056 move into an apartment. They don't 01:33:50.080 --> 01:33:52.215 necessarily want to do a massive , 01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:55.239 downgrade of their accommodation. Um, 01:33:55.760 --> 01:33:57.655 and so this gives them the opportunity 01:33:57.679 --> 01:34:00.679 to build a secondary dwelling. and well 01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:02.936 they've already got the opportunity but 01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:04.856 this abolishes those fees and signals to 01:34:04.880 --> 01:34:06.695 them that this is a possibility and I 01:34:06.719 --> 01:34:08.215 like you know the other parts of your 01:34:08.239 --> 01:34:10.056 motion here about promoting it as well 01:34:10.080 --> 01:34:12.456 which I think is really really important 01:34:12.480 --> 01:34:15.016 um it can be a nice steady second stream 01:34:15.040 --> 01:34:17.896 of income um it can also be used as 01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:19.976 short-term rental accommodation um and 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:23.000 boost numbers in especially um our areas 01:34:23.040 --> 01:34:26.040 that um you know in in low seasons it 01:34:26.719 --> 01:34:28.135 would be great to have extra people 01:34:28.159 --> 01:34:30.776 coming in um and spending money in our 01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:32.856 um in our economy. 01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:35.880 So hey well if they want I mean it is 01:34:36.159 --> 01:34:37.496 the best food around but you know that's 01:34:37.520 --> 01:34:40.520 up to them. Look it it it is 01:34:41.679 --> 01:34:44.536 it it I will say though and I've said 01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:46.776 this before just remember this is 01:34:46.800 --> 01:34:48.536 something that affects wealthy people. 01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:51.096 You have to already own a property. You 01:34:51.120 --> 01:34:52.456 have to already own your primary 01:34:52.480 --> 01:34:54.376 dwelling before you build a secondary 01:34:54.400 --> 01:34:56.135 dwelling. So, if we think that this is 01:34:56.159 --> 01:34:58.135 going to allow people to come in and 01:34:58.159 --> 01:34:59.976 build little tiny homes and just live 01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:02.856 there, um it's that's not the case. Um 01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:05.256 as we've seen recently with a with an 01:35:05.280 --> 01:35:07.416 instance, um we don't send eviction 01:35:07.440 --> 01:35:10.376 notices or compliance notices to the 01:35:10.400 --> 01:35:11.976 people who are living in the tiny homes. 01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:13.816 We send it to the land owner because 01:35:13.840 --> 01:35:16.135 it's up to the land owner to get the 01:35:16.159 --> 01:35:19.159 consent. Um, and on that I should really 01:35:19.199 --> 01:35:20.695 point out as well, and if this is going 01:35:20.719 --> 01:35:23.496 to be reported in the media, I I I I do 01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:25.816 want to emphasize as well, this isn't 01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:28.456 just a green light to bring out your 01:35:28.480 --> 01:35:30.056 your second your tiny homes and your 01:35:30.080 --> 01:35:32.296 whatevers. You still, as we've found out 01:35:32.320 --> 01:35:35.320 very much recently, you still need to go 01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:38.215 through that planning process. And it is 01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:40.856 still highly likely um that you will 01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:43.880 need to submit a DA to council and that 01:35:44.159 --> 01:35:47.016 still includes fees, planners, um our 01:35:47.040 --> 01:35:50.040 council fees. Um it is it is still 01:35:50.719 --> 01:35:52.695 something that needs consent. You would 01:35:52.719 --> 01:35:55.496 have to adhere to the leap, to the DCP. 01:35:55.520 --> 01:35:58.520 Um it's still a process to go through. 01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:00.776 And the thing that I like is that you're 01:36:00.800 --> 01:36:01.976 working with what you've got here, 01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:04.135 councelor Haggar. It still works within 01:36:04.159 --> 01:36:06.056 our existing. No change to the leap 01:36:06.080 --> 01:36:07.336 needed here. That's what I like about 01:36:07.360 --> 01:36:09.496 it. It's easy. It's lowhanging fruit. 01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:12.215 Um, if you like. Um, so let's put that 01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:13.896 all out there as well cuz I was a bit 01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:15.736 miffed recently when we with the 01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:17.655 contributions plan, as I said, which I 01:36:17.679 --> 01:36:19.655 believed push prices up for people 01:36:19.679 --> 01:36:21.096 buying their first home. Now we're 01:36:21.120 --> 01:36:22.695 making it cheaper for people to buy that 01:36:22.719 --> 01:36:24.456 build their second home. But I always 01:36:24.480 --> 01:36:26.056 love taking fees away. So, I'm 01:36:26.080 --> 01:36:27.336 definitely supporting this. And then the 01:36:27.360 --> 01:36:29.816 last thing is just to clarify my point 01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:31.655 five. It's really important that we 01:36:31.679 --> 01:36:33.896 don't go alone on a lot of things to do 01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:36.296 with with planning um and development. 01:36:36.320 --> 01:36:38.536 It's important that there that we don't 01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:40.296 have different rules from the Eurodala 01:36:40.320 --> 01:36:42.215 from the because then you're just 01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:43.896 playing one council another. It should 01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:45.576 be encouraged for the New South Wales 01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:47.976 government and they are already doing it 01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:50.056 anyway. They have signaled um and are 01:36:50.080 --> 01:36:52.376 embarking on a on a process of review 01:36:52.400 --> 01:36:54.456 for our planning laws and obviously how 01:36:54.480 --> 01:36:56.376 defining household member should be one 01:36:56.400 --> 01:36:57.976 of them. 01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:01.000 F speaker against speaker for 01:37:02.880 --> 01:37:04.536 speak write a reply don't need to write 01:37:04.560 --> 01:37:06.296 a reply put the motion all those in 01:37:06.320 --> 01:37:09.320 favor council porter councelor Haggar 01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:11.496 council noble council fpatrick councelor 01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:14.520 new councel nen councel madalia councel 01:37:15.280 --> 01:37:17.816 daily those against councelor Allen the 01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:20.695 motion's carried 15 questions with 01:37:20.719 --> 01:37:22.695 notice answers there the questions with 01:37:22.719 --> 01:37:25.719 notice 151 152 01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:29.560 questions as well for on 16 questions 01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:31.816 without notice and answer to one of 01:37:31.840 --> 01:37:33.416 those. Any further questions without 01:37:33.440 --> 01:37:36.440 notice? Council council councelor Allen. 01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:39.800 Councelor Nest 01:37:40.320 --> 01:37:41.175 without notice. Y 01:37:41.199 --> 01:37:43.336 thank you councelor Allen. Um will the 01:37:43.360 --> 01:37:46.360 review and um renewed strategy for 01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:49.095 children's our children's services cover 01:37:49.119 --> 01:37:51.655 provision of services for workers and 01:37:51.679 --> 01:37:53.336 patients at the Southeast Regional 01:37:53.360 --> 01:37:55.816 Hospital? And what is the likely 01:37:55.840 --> 01:37:57.576 timetable for decisions on future 01:37:57.600 --> 01:37:59.896 investment and expansion of early 01:37:59.920 --> 01:38:02.296 childhood education and care services 01:38:02.320 --> 01:38:04.296 which are so important for Beaker Valley 01:38:04.320 --> 01:38:06.296 families? 01:38:06.320 --> 01:38:07.576 Mr. 01:38:07.600 --> 01:38:10.600 Thanks, Mr. Mayor. The timetable for the 01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:14.456 expansion is we'll be likely to come 01:38:14.480 --> 01:38:16.456 back to council with a report in 01:38:16.480 --> 01:38:18.856 December. Um the outcome of the 01:38:18.880 --> 01:38:20.856 feasibility study should be completed by 01:38:20.880 --> 01:38:23.175 then according to our project plan. 01:38:23.199 --> 01:38:25.095 noting that we're still finalizing 01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:28.119 tender documentation at this point. Um, 01:38:28.719 --> 01:38:30.615 in relation to the first part of your 01:38:30.639 --> 01:38:33.639 question, 01:38:36.400 --> 01:38:39.095 the broad terms of the children's 01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:41.816 services expansion don't specifically 01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:44.840 look at the hospital um, its workers and 01:38:45.679 --> 01:38:47.976 patients. It's identified the need 01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:51.000 broadly across the community. Um, and we 01:38:51.360 --> 01:38:53.655 also haven't had any indication from the 01:38:53.679 --> 01:38:55.896 New South Wales government with regards 01:38:55.920 --> 01:38:58.456 to their support for our children's 01:38:58.480 --> 01:39:00.936 expansion project. Certainly, we would 01:39:00.960 --> 01:39:03.816 be seeking some in the future um once 01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:06.840 we're a bit more progressed. 01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:08.695 Allen Christian. 01:39:08.719 --> 01:39:11.175 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I won't preamble 01:39:11.199 --> 01:39:13.816 this for the reasons why, but um anyone 01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:15.976 who went to the football grand final 01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:17.416 would understand why the question's 01:39:17.440 --> 01:39:19.095 being asked. 01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:21.816 , simply can staff provide a summary 01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:24.536 of how many public toilet sites, 01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:26.296 including at sporting facilities and 01:39:26.320 --> 01:39:28.296 parks 01:39:28.320 --> 01:39:31.320 have unisex toilets only, and how many 01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:34.600 have male and female designated toilets? 01:39:34.719 --> 01:39:36.536 And can staff advise if there would be 01:39:36.560 --> 01:39:39.560 anything preventing having female only 01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:42.920 and unisex toilets at those sites? 01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:47.256 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 01:39:47.280 --> 01:39:49.095 Mr. May because I'm really well informed 01:39:49.119 --> 01:39:52.119 I can answer that. so the answer is 01:39:52.639 --> 01:39:55.496 across the SH we have a total of 63 01:39:55.520 --> 01:39:57.416 public toilets 01:39:57.440 --> 01:40:00.056 that excludes 01:40:00.080 --> 01:40:00.936 off the top of my head. 01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:03.016 He seems really well informed on the 01:40:03.040 --> 01:40:05.896 I'm not reading anything 01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:08.056 that does exclude 01:40:08.080 --> 01:40:09.576 toilets that aren't generally open to 01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:11.496 the public like at halls, libraries and 01:40:11.520 --> 01:40:14.520 pools etc. Of those 63, there's 40 of 01:40:15.360 --> 01:40:18.360 them that are male and female. 01:40:18.719 --> 01:40:21.719 There's 18 that are unisex only, and 01:40:22.239 --> 01:40:24.615 then there are five that are male, 01:40:24.639 --> 01:40:27.639 female, and unisex. Of the 01:40:28.480 --> 01:40:31.416 um 46 of those that I've outlined um 01:40:31.440 --> 01:40:33.976 have accessible facilities. The large 01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:37.000 majority, which is 43 of them, um 01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:39.736 have accessible facilities, which are 01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:41.256 unisex. 01:40:41.280 --> 01:40:42.936 Then on the bit. So that's the what's 01:40:42.960 --> 01:40:45.576 the the current landscape look like? 01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:47.576 Then the one on um is there anything 01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:49.416 preventing us from having female only 01:40:49.440 --> 01:40:52.440 and unisex toilets. The reason we have 01:40:53.280 --> 01:40:55.816 unisex toilet designs is so toilets 01:40:55.840 --> 01:40:58.376 are provided that we provide can be used 01:40:58.400 --> 01:41:01.175 by all. It can reduce the wait time for 01:41:01.199 --> 01:41:04.056 people to go to a gender specific toilet 01:41:04.080 --> 01:41:05.416 and it generally improves the 01:41:05.440 --> 01:41:08.440 availability and we we get better use um 01:41:08.639 --> 01:41:10.536 for the provisions. So better use for 01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:13.175 how many we provide. Unisex facilities 01:41:13.199 --> 01:41:15.336 with more open common access can also 01:41:15.360 --> 01:41:16.936 make for better use of space allowing 01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:19.016 for more cubicles or a smaller building 01:41:19.040 --> 01:41:20.536 footprint overall which obviously has 01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:23.016 cost and maintenance implications. 01:41:23.040 --> 01:41:24.376 It's particularly the case in our 01:41:24.400 --> 01:41:27.336 parkland areas. It has the asset 01:41:27.360 --> 01:41:29.095 management benefit like I said in 01:41:29.119 --> 01:41:31.896 particular in areas like our shy where 01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:33.576 there's a high number of public toilets 01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:36.456 because of the spread population. 01:41:36.480 --> 01:41:38.135 An important aspect of the unisex 01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:41.159 toilets are the individual cubicles that 01:41:41.760 --> 01:41:44.760 provide personal space if need be, such 01:41:44.960 --> 01:41:47.816 as for specific events. 01:41:47.840 --> 01:41:50.840 We could um have individual cubicles 01:41:51.440 --> 01:41:54.215 labeled for female or male if that would 01:41:54.239 --> 01:41:56.056 prov provide better service for the 01:41:56.080 --> 01:41:58.056 event. So, we do have the ability for 01:41:58.080 --> 01:41:59.896 specific events if we wanted to to 01:41:59.920 --> 01:42:02.376 change the doors essentially the the 01:42:02.400 --> 01:42:05.400 labeling on the doors. 01:42:05.440 --> 01:42:07.175 it's been common to see accessible 01:42:07.199 --> 01:42:09.896 toilets at unisex facilities for lots of 01:42:09.920 --> 01:42:12.215 years now. Um it's been for the same 01:42:12.239 --> 01:42:14.615 reasons to not restrict use and to not 01:42:14.639 --> 01:42:16.215 have to build duplicate facilities where 01:42:16.239 --> 01:42:18.536 the level of use don't require it. In 01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:20.296 our recent recreation strategy which was 01:42:20.320 --> 01:42:22.776 in the business paper today from the 01:42:22.800 --> 01:42:24.215 consultation there was a specific 01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:26.135 question on unisex toilet facilities and 01:42:26.159 --> 01:42:29.159 83% of respondents that replied said 01:42:29.280 --> 01:42:31.175 they were comfortable with using unisex 01:42:31.199 --> 01:42:33.736 facilities. So that's some broad data 01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:36.615 related answers. And as you've heard, we 01:42:36.639 --> 01:42:38.695 do have the ability 01:42:38.719 --> 01:42:40.936 in sort of peak situations if we wanted 01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:43.960 to to change how different sites are 01:42:44.080 --> 01:42:46.296 actually operated on given days. And I 01:42:46.320 --> 01:42:49.320 think that um sort of goes to the point 01:42:49.440 --> 01:42:51.496 that council is making that there are 01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:54.296 certain peak times where 01:42:54.320 --> 01:42:57.320 the the needs and uses change. 01:42:59.280 --> 01:43:00.776 But I could ask a followup and if that's 01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:02.056 the case, 01:43:02.080 --> 01:43:03.896 so how do we implement that? Because 01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:05.736 quite frankly, I'll be very honest about 01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:07.576 this. I've never been embarrassed to be 01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:09.095 a counselor ever in the time I've been 01:43:09.119 --> 01:43:11.416 on council for 22 years. At that grand 01:43:11.440 --> 01:43:12.776 final, I was completely embarrassed to 01:43:12.800 --> 01:43:14.776 be a counselor because of the number of 01:43:14.800 --> 01:43:17.336 men, the number of men who 01:43:17.360 --> 01:43:20.360 Yeah. who came to me and said, "What am 01:43:20.480 --> 01:43:22.456 I doing 01:43:22.480 --> 01:43:24.296 with myself in a toilet?" And then 01:43:24.320 --> 01:43:27.320 followed by young girls, women, and then 01:43:27.600 --> 01:43:28.536 I'm not going to go any further than 01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:30.856 that. But it's just it's 01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:32.376 it's it's if if we haven't got some 01:43:32.400 --> 01:43:34.936 sense of dignity towards the young 01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:36.856 ladies and the ladies of the SH, we 01:43:36.880 --> 01:43:38.856 shouldn't be here. 01:43:38.880 --> 01:43:40.776 So that's the reason I'm bringing it up. 01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:43.095 and and and I'm going to guarantee to 01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:44.936 you every single woman in the SH except 01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:46.776 perhaps Craig Councelor Griff who was 01:43:46.800 --> 01:43:47.976 quite happy to leave herself under a 01:43:48.000 --> 01:43:50.776 tree. She said you're open council um 01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:53.800 would support me 01:43:54.400 --> 01:43:55.736 through Mr. to me. I'll interpret a 01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:58.760 question in that. Um, and 01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:01.976 the how do we do it? The response is 01:44:02.000 --> 01:44:05.000 that um, and it is a good point for 01:44:05.280 --> 01:44:08.280 council managed events happening at 01:44:08.639 --> 01:44:11.016 these sites, we have the ability to 01:44:11.040 --> 01:44:13.976 control um, how the signage on the 01:44:14.000 --> 01:44:17.000 toilet is applied. 01:44:17.119 --> 01:44:19.736 And I think for um other significant 01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:22.760 events at our sites, we could have a um 01:44:26.639 --> 01:44:29.016 a provision in user agreements to say 01:44:29.040 --> 01:44:30.936 that for these events, they need to 01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:33.576 consider the right mix of dedicated 01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:35.576 toilet facilities to cater for the needs 01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:38.296 of their event. So that event um was not 01:44:38.320 --> 01:44:41.016 a councilled event. You're right. That 01:44:41.040 --> 01:44:42.615 doesn't change the community perception 01:44:42.639 --> 01:44:44.135 though towards our involvement in the 01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:45.256 arrangements. Sorry, 01:44:45.280 --> 01:44:47.416 just to clarify, councelor Allen. So, do 01:44:47.440 --> 01:44:48.776 you are you talking about event? You 01:44:48.800 --> 01:44:50.936 keep using the word event. So, right now 01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:53.336 I can go down to the Pambula pavilion 01:44:53.360 --> 01:44:55.896 and it has I don't know what it has on 01:44:55.920 --> 01:44:57.576 door, doesn't it? It has unisex on the 01:44:57.600 --> 01:44:59.336 door. So, right now, are you proposing 01:44:59.360 --> 01:45:01.816 that we change those signs from unisex 01:45:01.840 --> 01:45:03.976 to either female or male? And the only 01:45:04.000 --> 01:45:05.576 reason why I'm asking that question is 01:45:05.600 --> 01:45:08.056 because cesily I don't know um when it 01:45:08.080 --> 01:45:10.215 was approved 01:45:10.239 --> 01:45:12.695 it would have to have satisfy certain 01:45:12.719 --> 01:45:15.655 amount of female or male or uni I don't 01:45:15.679 --> 01:45:18.615 know what the rules are but 01:45:18.639 --> 01:45:21.095 would that be an easy thing to do to 01:45:21.119 --> 01:45:23.175 change that if it's already have DA 01:45:23.199 --> 01:45:24.615 approval or would that need a 01:45:24.639 --> 01:45:27.639 modification 01:45:28.719 --> 01:45:29.736 off 01:45:29.760 --> 01:45:32.760 sorry Mr. Yeah, I think um councelor Nen 01:45:33.119 --> 01:45:35.095 is over complicating something that 01:45:35.119 --> 01:45:36.695 doesn't need to be that complicated. 01:45:36.719 --> 01:45:39.655 There are certain facilities um in the 01:45:39.679 --> 01:45:42.056 SH that are 01:45:42.080 --> 01:45:44.615 DA exempt. What we do need to do is meet 01:45:44.639 --> 01:45:47.639 standards for accessibility. Um and I 01:45:48.159 --> 01:45:50.376 think we can still achieve that through 01:45:50.400 --> 01:45:52.936 variations. And 01:45:52.960 --> 01:45:55.960 in reality, um, on a a major event like 01:45:56.080 --> 01:45:58.536 that, if someone put a sign on the door 01:45:58.560 --> 01:46:01.560 and we as the owner of the site weren't 01:46:01.840 --> 01:46:03.095 compliant with the condition of the 01:46:03.119 --> 01:46:06.119 consent that said that we had to have a 01:46:06.800 --> 01:46:08.215 certain number of toilets, by the time 01:46:08.239 --> 01:46:09.816 we were able to take compliance action 01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:11.496 against ourself, that event would be 01:46:11.520 --> 01:46:13.416 over. 01:46:13.440 --> 01:46:15.175 If I can just elaborate, some of the 01:46:15.199 --> 01:46:17.016 users do actually change and put men's 01:46:17.040 --> 01:46:19.256 and ladies signs on the door. Um the 01:46:19.280 --> 01:46:21.576 users on the day was the group 16 who 01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:23.576 didn't do that. And also you only have 01:46:23.600 --> 01:46:25.016 to look at Wanderer Festival when we had 01:46:25.040 --> 01:46:26.536 an event there. They bring in a whole 01:46:26.560 --> 01:46:28.615 bank of toilets um to cater for events 01:46:28.639 --> 01:46:30.856 and they're all unisex toilets but um 01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:32.615 they have a cleaner there operating it 01:46:32.639 --> 01:46:35.416 all day. That's continued um through the 01:46:35.440 --> 01:46:37.256 season. It hasn't been a problem. It was 01:46:37.280 --> 01:46:39.976 just a huge day and no one came no one 01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:42.135 looked at the toilet requirements on the 01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:42.695 day. 01:46:42.719 --> 01:46:45.336 It was pointing clarification. And there 01:46:45.360 --> 01:46:47.416 was a men's urinal section at Wanderer 01:46:47.440 --> 01:46:50.215 as well down by the stage. But um 01:46:50.239 --> 01:46:51.336 but yeah, the rest of the toilets were 01:46:51.360 --> 01:46:54.215 unisex. Fine. 01:46:54.239 --> 01:46:56.056 Thanks, councilors. Yeah. 01:46:56.080 --> 01:46:56.936 Any further questions? 01:46:56.960 --> 01:46:59.655 So just on to Yep. So two questions, Mr. 01:46:59.679 --> 01:47:01.736 Mayor. Um so to the CBD upgrade, thank 01:47:01.760 --> 01:47:04.135 you very much for this response if it 01:47:04.159 --> 01:47:06.776 was you. Um 01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:08.936 you've got here that we're looking to 01:47:08.960 --> 01:47:11.655 conduct the propo the trial over six to 01:47:11.679 --> 01:47:13.816 eight weeks in March to May. I thought 01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:16.056 we were doing it 01:47:16.080 --> 01:47:19.080 in peak season, so the December January. 01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:21.736 Not that I want to cause, you know, a 01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:23.256 halaloo in the middle of the marimula 01:47:23.280 --> 01:47:25.655 CBD, but the reason for it, Mr. McFarane 01:47:25.679 --> 01:47:27.816 said, was so that we can really test it. 01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:30.695 There's no point doing it in dead times. 01:47:30.719 --> 01:47:32.376 We want to see if these changes are 01:47:32.400 --> 01:47:35.175 going to work when Mimula's at its 01:47:35.199 --> 01:47:37.576 busiest. And my second question, 01:47:37.600 --> 01:47:40.600 actually, I'll just 01:47:41.360 --> 01:47:44.360 bring you Mr. where the planning is to 01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:50.760 the planning is to test this at a peak 01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:53.880 time as you've described using the the 01:47:54.000 --> 01:47:56.776 holiday period over Easter as the middle 01:47:56.800 --> 01:47:59.175 of it so that we're running about two 01:47:59.199 --> 01:48:02.199 weeks beforehand getting the locals used 01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:04.376 to it. 01:48:04.400 --> 01:48:06.376 um then two weeks in the in the peak 01:48:06.400 --> 01:48:08.936 holiday period and then another week or 01:48:08.960 --> 01:48:11.336 two after that with a view to really 01:48:11.360 --> 01:48:13.175 testing this thing and seeing whether it 01:48:13.199 --> 01:48:16.199 works with membula humming as a when 01:48:16.960 --> 01:48:19.960 it's full of visitors. So the timing of 01:48:20.639 --> 01:48:23.175 it is really set that when we were 01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:24.856 looking at this earlier in the year, we 01:48:24.880 --> 01:48:27.496 were proposing to to run that in the 01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:30.135 school holidays that have just finished, 01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:32.056 but basically getting everything in 01:48:32.080 --> 01:48:35.080 place was taking too long to to achieve 01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:36.695 that. 01:48:36.719 --> 01:48:38.695 They're not brave enough to try and so 01:48:38.719 --> 01:48:40.615 mayhem in Morimula in the in the peak 01:48:40.639 --> 01:48:41.496 summer period, 01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:41.976 I think. 01:48:42.000 --> 01:48:43.976 So So Easter seemed like a good 01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:47.000 compromise. 01:48:47.040 --> 01:48:49.816 Question. Oh, sorry. 01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:51.576 Just um quickly it was um mentioned in 01:48:51.600 --> 01:48:53.736 it was in this week's local traffic 01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:54.615 forum. 01:48:54.639 --> 01:48:55.976 YouTube. 01:48:56.000 --> 01:48:57.416 Yeah. So, it was discussed in this 01:48:57.440 --> 01:48:58.695 week's local traffic forum. The 01:48:58.719 --> 01:49:00.376 intention is that there is some holiday 01:49:00.400 --> 01:49:03.400 period there to test test um to but not 01:49:03.920 --> 01:49:06.296 Christmas because that just would be um 01:49:06.320 --> 01:49:08.776 too much of it. It it 01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:10.056 it goes for too long and it's too much 01:49:10.080 --> 01:49:11.655 of a test straight up. So, the idea is a 01:49:11.679 --> 01:49:13.016 small test so that you know we didn't 01:49:13.040 --> 01:49:15.416 create too much havoc. Um so, Easter was 01:49:15.440 --> 01:49:18.215 chosen as as the ideal test. So, 01:49:18.239 --> 01:49:19.256 For what it's worth, I think it's 01:49:19.280 --> 01:49:20.936 better. My numbers are better in Easter 01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:23.256 than they are in Christmas. Um it's just 01:49:23.280 --> 01:49:25.175 not that sustained amount of time. So I 01:49:25.199 --> 01:49:26.776 really like that. The second question 01:49:26.800 --> 01:49:28.856 was going to be um it's my understanding 01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:31.736 this um the traffic changes were put to 01:49:31.760 --> 01:49:33.736 traffic committee earlier this week. Um 01:49:33.760 --> 01:49:36.376 so that will be brought back to council 01:49:36.400 --> 01:49:39.400 for adoption at some point for this 01:49:39.920 --> 01:49:42.695 trial period. I assume in the next time 01:49:42.719 --> 01:49:44.135 the traffic committee report comes to 01:49:44.159 --> 01:49:46.135 council, are we going to do any 01:49:46.159 --> 01:49:49.159 publicity around that 01:49:51.440 --> 01:49:54.440 through Mr. May the 01:49:54.719 --> 01:49:56.456 if we wanted to make it fail, we 01:49:56.480 --> 01:49:58.296 wouldn't publicize it. Like the 01:49:58.320 --> 01:50:01.095 publicity to to get information out to 01:50:01.119 --> 01:50:04.119 community is vitally important. The I 01:50:04.239 --> 01:50:05.256 expect 01:50:05.280 --> 01:50:08.215 I expect I expect the council laws will 01:50:08.239 --> 01:50:11.095 see the the minutes of the 01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:12.856 local traffic forum meeting that that 01:50:12.880 --> 01:50:15.576 occurred earlier this week. There are 01:50:15.600 --> 01:50:18.600 some recommendations for some some 01:50:18.639 --> 01:50:21.175 tweaking of the the design work 01:50:21.199 --> 01:50:23.496 that's been done and that will then 01:50:23.520 --> 01:50:26.456 progress through to getting quotes to 01:50:26.480 --> 01:50:29.480 implement that work as well as getting 01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:32.520 quotes for the um stakeholder engagement 01:50:33.760 --> 01:50:36.760 and feedback. That is a critical part of 01:50:37.040 --> 01:50:39.256 distilling whether this works and or 01:50:39.280 --> 01:50:40.376 not. 01:50:40.400 --> 01:50:43.400 I'm not expecting that the detailed 01:50:43.440 --> 01:50:45.976 design would be presented to the the 01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:49.000 council meeting in detail. It's more a 01:50:49.040 --> 01:50:52.040 case that the um technical specialists 01:50:53.199 --> 01:50:55.256 are running with that in adopting 01:50:55.280 --> 01:50:57.416 council's adopt or implementing 01:50:57.440 --> 01:51:00.440 council's adopted trial for the the 01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:03.880 marula transport strategy. 01:51:05.280 --> 01:51:06.296 I don't know what you really mean by 01:51:06.320 --> 01:51:08.296 that though. You said, "Oh, it's not my 01:51:08.320 --> 01:51:09.976 intention to bring the plan back to 01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:12.776 council, but you're going to do it as 01:51:12.800 --> 01:51:15.095 part of the traffic committee." Just to 01:51:15.119 --> 01:51:15.576 be clear, 01:51:15.600 --> 01:51:16.615 that's where it'll come through. The 01:51:16.639 --> 01:51:17.416 traffic committee min. 01:51:17.440 --> 01:51:18.615 Exactly. That's right. That's what I 01:51:18.639 --> 01:51:20.615 thought. But is that going to go on 01:51:20.639 --> 01:51:23.496 exhibition or do any sort of 01:51:23.520 --> 01:51:25.896 publicity around those proposed traffic 01:51:25.920 --> 01:51:28.920 changes? That was Sorry, you're a bit 01:51:30.320 --> 01:51:31.256 Yeah, sure. 01:51:31.280 --> 01:51:33.576 Yeah. True, Mr. Mayor. Short answer is 01:51:33.600 --> 01:51:35.576 um once we know what it is we are 01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:37.256 actually going to do once the technical 01:51:37.280 --> 01:51:38.776 assessment has been done we will 01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:41.800 definitely be publicly saying it and and 01:51:42.080 --> 01:51:45.080 John did allude to that earlier. 01:51:45.280 --> 01:51:46.856 Just a point of clarification again it's 01:51:46.880 --> 01:51:48.376 a local traffic forum now it's no longer 01:51:48.400 --> 01:51:48.936 a committee. 01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:51.960 Yes sir. I just have one question um to 01:51:52.159 --> 01:51:55.159 the CEO. farm forestry and RU2 we've 01:51:55.360 --> 01:51:56.615 been waiting for a report back to 01:51:56.639 --> 01:51:58.296 council or a scoping reporter or 01:51:58.320 --> 01:52:00.695 workshop. U what's the progress has 01:52:00.719 --> 01:52:02.936 occurred on that? 01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:05.736 I'll have to take that one on notice. 01:52:05.760 --> 01:52:07.976 Council then councelor David 01:52:08.000 --> 01:52:11.000 um what is the impact of the new 01:52:11.040 --> 01:52:13.655 workplace bullying and sexual 01:52:13.679 --> 01:52:15.976 harassment legislation which now covers 01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:17.976 local government workers? Will we be 01:52:18.000 --> 01:52:20.376 changing policies and procedures or um 01:52:20.400 --> 01:52:22.215 has there been a review of how that 01:52:22.239 --> 01:52:25.239 might affect our operations? 01:52:25.679 --> 01:52:27.736 Sorry, Mr. Mayor. I'll answer the second 01:52:27.760 --> 01:52:29.896 bit because it's the easy bit. The other 01:52:29.920 --> 01:52:31.736 bit I don't know the answer to yet. The 01:52:31.760 --> 01:52:34.760 second bit, um our staff are now 01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:37.095 reviewing the impacts to understand if 01:52:37.119 --> 01:52:39.175 we do need to change anything and local 01:52:39.199 --> 01:52:40.936 government New South Wales are providing 01:52:40.960 --> 01:52:43.095 some information forums on that to 01:52:43.119 --> 01:52:44.536 assist councils which our staff are 01:52:44.560 --> 01:52:47.560 participating in. Council D. 01:52:48.880 --> 01:52:51.880 Three, Mr. Mayor. , and this goes to 01:52:52.800 --> 01:52:55.016 um my question on notice, but I wanted 01:52:55.040 --> 01:52:58.040 to just ask the CEO um looking at Shell 01:52:58.480 --> 01:53:01.480 Harbor and their changes to their leap, 01:53:02.159 --> 01:53:04.056 which have been broadly reported will 01:53:04.080 --> 01:53:07.080 accommodate um tiny homes. Now, it 01:53:08.159 --> 01:53:10.936 should be clear that there still there 01:53:10.960 --> 01:53:13.960 remains no definition for tiny homes. Um 01:53:15.280 --> 01:53:17.095 and I just wanted to I appreciate the 01:53:17.119 --> 01:53:20.119 response and the time taken by staff 01:53:21.119 --> 01:53:23.016 to to give a response to my question 01:53:23.040 --> 01:53:26.040 on notice. The question to you is um 01:53:27.599 --> 01:53:29.256 from what's been proposed in Shell 01:53:29.280 --> 01:53:32.280 Harour is basically 01:53:32.400 --> 01:53:34.135 we can is that something we can more or 01:53:34.159 --> 01:53:36.456 less already do in the Beaker Valley in 01:53:36.480 --> 01:53:39.095 terms of when I look at response I see 01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:42.119 that um dwell dwellings in residential 01:53:42.800 --> 01:53:44.215 areas only where there is an already 01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:46.536 existing dwelling there's a requirement 01:53:46.560 --> 01:53:49.560 for um approvals licenses permits etc 01:53:52.960 --> 01:53:55.960 um dwellings must not be located on 01:53:56.880 --> 01:53:58.536 floodprone bushfire prone land. These 01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:00.376 are all things that are in existence 01:54:00.400 --> 01:54:03.400 within our own LAP. So can you confirm 01:54:03.679 --> 01:54:06.679 that by and large we could do what's 01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:10.520 being proposed in Chill Harour already? 01:54:12.480 --> 01:54:15.336 Three, Mr. Mayor in broad terms the 01:54:15.360 --> 01:54:18.360 answer is yes with some caveats. The 01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:21.095 caveats are there are when you're 01:54:21.119 --> 01:54:23.976 talking about secondary dwellings, there 01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:26.936 are different types of secondary 01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:29.736 dwellings. Some of them could be a 01:54:29.760 --> 01:54:32.760 building, which is a permanent dwelling. 01:54:33.440 --> 01:54:35.175 Some of them could be a manufactured 01:54:35.199 --> 01:54:37.256 home, which is a form of movable 01:54:37.280 --> 01:54:40.215 dwelling that has its own provisions. 01:54:40.239 --> 01:54:43.239 Then um the other one that is the vague 01:54:43.360 --> 01:54:45.256 one everyone keeps talking about is a 01:54:45.280 --> 01:54:47.416 movable dwelling that isn't a 01:54:47.440 --> 01:54:50.056 manufactured home. They are the ones um 01:54:50.080 --> 01:54:52.695 that are unclearly defined and if you 01:54:52.719 --> 01:54:54.135 look at what Shell Harbor is saying 01:54:54.159 --> 01:54:57.159 they're using loose undefined terms. The 01:54:57.760 --> 01:55:00.760 bit that um from my interpretation is 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:02.456 slightly different is they're looking to 01:55:02.480 --> 01:55:04.856 do something that from my perspective 01:55:04.880 --> 01:55:06.615 may not be legal that the state might 01:55:06.639 --> 01:55:09.639 stop anyway which is around having a 01:55:10.719 --> 01:55:13.175 movable dwelling such as a caravan that 01:55:13.199 --> 01:55:16.199 can be used as a secondary dwelling by 01:55:17.599 --> 01:55:19.256 someone other than a member of the 01:55:19.280 --> 01:55:21.016 household which is one of these terms 01:55:21.040 --> 01:55:23.416 that we need to get defined. So, if you 01:55:23.440 --> 01:55:24.856 ask me what I think will happen with 01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:27.655 this, I think it will spin around in 01:55:27.679 --> 01:55:29.816 circles with the Department of Planning 01:55:29.840 --> 01:55:32.056 once the planning proposal is lodged and 01:55:32.080 --> 01:55:33.976 they may get a response back that says, 01:55:34.000 --> 01:55:37.000 "We don't believe we can support through 01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:40.056 gateway what you're proposing." But I'm 01:55:40.080 --> 01:55:41.896 not going that's me speculating. I don't 01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:44.456 know. And I do know it will take 01:55:44.480 --> 01:55:45.976 considerable time for that to get 01:55:46.000 --> 01:55:47.816 resolved. And as you've seen in the 01:55:47.840 --> 01:55:49.976 response here, if this becomes something 01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:51.976 that gets supported by the state, we 01:55:52.000 --> 01:55:53.816 will then review it in much more detail 01:55:53.840 --> 01:55:55.496 and say, why is this different compared 01:55:55.520 --> 01:55:58.520 to what we've previously thought? 01:55:59.599 --> 01:56:01.575 See, no further questions. I need a 01:56:01.599 --> 01:56:04.456 motion. Recommendation 17 that we that 01:56:04.480 --> 01:56:05.976 council resolve to a journal close 01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:07.175 session to discuss the following 01:56:07.199 --> 01:56:10.199 confidential items 9.1 and 9.3 pursuant 01:56:10.800 --> 01:56:12.456 to section 10A of the local government 01:56:12.480 --> 01:56:14.936 act 1993. the press and public be 01:56:14.960 --> 01:56:16.296 excluded from the proceedings on the 01:56:16.320 --> 01:56:18.376 basis of the business to be considered 01:56:18.400 --> 01:56:19.896 as classified confidential under the 01:56:19.920 --> 01:56:22.920 sections of section 10 A2 of the act as 01:56:22.960 --> 01:56:24.776 outlined above but the correspondence 01:56:24.800 --> 01:56:26.215 and reports relevant to the subject 01:56:26.239 --> 01:56:28.615 business be withheld from access to the 01:56:28.639 --> 01:56:30.695 public and as required by the local 01:56:30.719 --> 01:56:33.256 government act. Thank you councelors a 01:56:33.280 --> 01:56:34.776 mover 01:56:34.800 --> 01:56:36.536 councelor Daly council medallia all 01:56:36.560 --> 01:56:38.936 those in favor carried unanimously with 01:56:38.960 --> 01:56:41.960 councelor n out of the room sorry Ben 01:56:46.080 --> 01:56:48.376 council we return to open session I get 01:56:48.400 --> 01:56:51.400 a motion that the um adopt those 01:56:52.719 --> 01:56:54.615 resolutions pass in the closed session 01:56:54.639 --> 01:56:57.095 be made public council n and councelor 01:56:57.119 --> 01:56:59.256 daily all those in favor carried 01:56:59.280 --> 01:57:01.175 unanimously 01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:02.615 said you want read out those two 01:57:02.639 --> 01:57:05.639 motions. I'm running out of voice 01:57:07.199 --> 01:57:08.376 so public know. 01:57:08.400 --> 01:57:11.400 So three, Mr. Mayor. for item 01:57:12.239 --> 01:57:13.256 9.1 01:57:13.280 --> 01:57:14.776 9.1 01:57:14.800 --> 01:57:17.800 it the the bits are part one the council 01:57:19.199 --> 01:57:22.199 short list Adriana 01:57:22.239 --> 01:57:25.239 Propelli Architects Proprietary Limited 01:57:25.679 --> 01:57:28.679 and Bainzer Coohl's Proprietary Limited 01:57:31.199 --> 01:57:34.135 for the 01:57:34.159 --> 01:57:37.159 stage two works described in tender RFQ 01:57:37.360 --> 01:57:39.175 2425 01:57:39.199 --> 01:57:41.416 1111 Urban Rimler for Park Vivian Design 01:57:41.440 --> 01:57:43.655 Consultancy. 01:57:43.679 --> 01:57:45.736 And part two is that the shortlisted 01:57:45.760 --> 01:57:48.135 firms each be engaged for a fee of 01:57:48.159 --> 01:57:50.936 $6,000 plus GST to prepare and present 01:57:50.960 --> 01:57:52.615 design concepts for the Ford Park 01:57:52.639 --> 01:57:54.936 pavilion project. 01:57:54.960 --> 01:57:56.776 Part three, that all tenders are advised 01:57:56.800 --> 01:57:58.215 with the outcome of the first stage of 01:57:58.239 --> 01:58:00.936 the tender response shortlisting. 01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:03.960 Part four that the project working group 01:58:04.080 --> 01:58:07.080 organization be requested to review the 01:58:07.599 --> 01:58:10.599 two concept designs and each 01:58:10.639 --> 01:58:13.175 project working group provide a 01:58:13.199 --> 01:58:15.016 consolidated feedback response for 01:58:15.040 --> 01:58:17.016 consideration by the tender evaluation 01:58:17.040 --> 01:58:19.575 panel. Part five is the tender 01:58:19.599 --> 01:58:21.655 evaluation panel assess the concept 01:58:21.679 --> 01:58:23.175 designs and consider the feedback 01:58:23.199 --> 01:58:24.536 responses from the stakeholder 01:58:24.560 --> 01:58:27.560 organizations and recommend a preferred 01:58:28.560 --> 01:58:30.856 architect for the project. 01:58:30.880 --> 01:58:33.880 Then it will be part six that becomes a 01:58:34.880 --> 01:58:36.456 I'll just make sure I've got the wording 01:58:36.480 --> 01:58:38.936 right here. A 01:58:38.960 --> 01:58:41.016 report be provided back to council to 01:58:41.040 --> 01:58:43.095 select which architects concept 01:58:43.119 --> 01:58:46.119 progresses to full contract award. 01:58:47.760 --> 01:58:50.135 second or a vote on an open council or 01:58:50.159 --> 01:58:52.215 we happy 01:58:52.239 --> 01:58:54.456 three m there resolution what you've 01:58:54.480 --> 01:58:57.016 essentially resolved in closed um to do 01:58:57.040 --> 01:58:59.736 that and now you resolved to make that 01:58:59.760 --> 01:59:02.215 information public so I think you've 01:59:02.239 --> 01:59:03.816 technically um 01:59:03.840 --> 01:59:04.856 covered what you need to 01:59:04.880 --> 01:59:07.816 on item 9.3 01:59:07.840 --> 01:59:09.416 item 01:59:09.440 --> 01:59:12.440 9.3 01:59:13.679 --> 01:59:16.679 is 01:59:22.000 --> 01:59:25.000 coming. 01:59:27.760 --> 01:59:29.575 Oh, I know why that didn't work. Sorry, 01:59:29.599 --> 01:59:32.599 it's coming. 01:59:33.360 --> 01:59:36.135 it is part one that Beer Valley Shire 01:59:36.159 --> 01:59:38.056 Council enter a contract with Bega 01:59:38.080 --> 01:59:40.056 Valley Construction Proprietary Limited 01:59:40.080 --> 01:59:42.536 Limited to deliver option three in the 01:59:42.560 --> 01:59:44.376 confidential memo which is the full 01:59:44.400 --> 01:59:46.856 project scope for an amount of 01:59:46.880 --> 01:59:49.880 $776,73.74 01:59:53.040 --> 01:59:56.040 excluding GST inclusive of $30,59829 01:59:59.040 --> 02:00:01.416 for provisional items 02:00:01.440 --> 02:00:04.440 Part two that an additional $169,173.77 02:00:08.239 --> 02:00:10.135 to be redistributed to the project 02:00:10.159 --> 02:00:13.095 budget from the Beagle Pool design work 02:00:13.119 --> 02:00:16.119 order in the first quarterly budget 02:00:16.239 --> 02:00:19.016 review. And part three that the Eden 02:00:19.040 --> 02:00:21.095 Tigers Rugby League be updated once the 02:00:21.119 --> 02:00:22.376 construction contract has been 02:00:22.400 --> 02:00:23.976 finalized. 02:00:24.000 --> 02:00:26.695 Thank you, Mr. CEO. Congratulations to 02:00:26.719 --> 02:00:28.296 those. 02:00:28.320 --> 02:00:30.856 Move those two on. Council, that 02:00:30.880 --> 02:00:33.016 concludes the ordinary meeting of the 02:00:33.040 --> 02:00:36.040 15th to the 10th at 5:16. The meeting is 02:00:36.239 --> 02:00:39.239 closed. 4:16, sorry.