WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:01.736 council this is now 2 p.m and the 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:03.736 ordinary meeting of Wednesday the 21st 00:00:03.760 --> 00:00:06.760 of May 2025 will commence all council 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:08.535 meetings recorded and live streamed to 00:00:08.559 --> 00:00:10.856 the internet and for public viewing then 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:12.695 archived and made available on council's 00:00:12.719 --> 00:00:15.719 website 00:00:16.680 --> 00:00:18.056 www.begavalley.nsw.gov.au also 00:00:18.080 --> 00:00:19.976 start on behalf of Bega Shire agknowledge of 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:22.216 traditional custodians lands waterways 00:00:22.240 --> 00:00:24.415 and airspace on which we are gathering 00:00:24.439 --> 00:00:27.439 today under the local government council 00:00:28.240 --> 00:00:29.655 i'm required to read you the statement 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:32.215 of ethical obligations the Mayor 00:00:32.239 --> 00:00:33.576 and councilors are reminded that they 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:35.976 remain bound by the oath affirmation of 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:37.656 office made at the start of the council 00:00:37.680 --> 00:00:39.896 term to undertake their civic duties in 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:41.096 the best interest of the people of the 00:00:41.120 --> 00:00:44.120 Bega Valley Shire and to faithfully and 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:45.976 impartially carry out the functions 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:47.416 powers authorities and discretions 00:00:47.440 --> 00:00:48.695 vested in them under the local 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:50.375 government act or any other act to the 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:52.296 best of their skill and judgment the 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:54.055 Mayor and councelors are also reminded of 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:55.336 the requirement for disclosure of 00:00:55.360 --> 00:00:57.256 conflicts of interest in relation to 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:58.855 items list of consideration on the 00:00:58.879 --> 00:01:00.936 agenda or which are considered at this 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:02.695 meeting in accordance with the code of 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:04.535 meeting code of conduct and code of 00:01:04.559 --> 00:01:07.559 meeting practice Mr CEO no 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:10.376 apologies council's confirmation of the 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:13.400 minutes 7th of May 2025 as circulated be 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.159 taken as read and confirmed 00:01:17.240 --> 00:01:20.240 mover move councilor Noble second 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:23.640 councelor Mudaliar all those in favor 00:01:23.759 --> 00:01:25.856 carried 00:01:25.880 --> 00:01:28.880 unanimously any declarations Mr CEO 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.135 no declarations the public forum held at 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:34.856 12 midday we had six or five presenters 00:01:34.880 --> 00:01:37.216 ended up on item 00:01:37.240 --> 00:01:39.656 13.2 speaking against for Miss Harriet 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:41.496 Swift and Mr Dave Gallon on behalf of 00:01:41.520 --> 00:01:44.055 the National Parks Association speaking 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.296 for us Mr Rob Defegly Peter Ratherford 00:01:46.320 --> 00:01:48.696 and Damian Bunting all speaking for 00:01:48.720 --> 00:01:50.536 there are no petitions councilors 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:52.936 there's no Mayoral minutes there's no urgent 00:01:52.960 --> 00:01:54.616 business there is a matter of motion 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:55.816 that I'll deal with when we get to 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:58.216 notice some motions from councelor Nadin if 00:01:58.240 --> 00:02:00.616 I deal with it in the notice of motions 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:03.496 yeah I think we should say 00:02:03.520 --> 00:02:06.135 yeah so council's put up some urgent 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:07.496 business which I'm going to allow to 00:02:07.520 --> 00:02:10.520 occur in the notice of motions thank 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.680 you staff reports item 8.1 I think 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:15.736 That's what most of the gallery are here 00:02:15.760 --> 00:02:18.760 for at the present time so councilors 00:02:18.959 --> 00:02:21.959 questions on item 8.1 endorsement of the 00:02:22.239 --> 00:02:24.096 Bega urban land 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:27.120 release proposal questions 00:02:28.040 --> 00:02:31.040 councilors councelor Allen just briefly 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:32.976 Mayor yeah 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:36.000 the land if it's reszoned from where 00:02:36.480 --> 00:02:39.480 it is into where it's proposed to go 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:41.376 will that 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:44.400 automatically incur a rate increase the 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:45.976 people who own that land and have had it 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:49.000 rezoned we know can we I know it's a 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:52.400 UCV matter but is that a common 00:02:52.480 --> 00:02:55.256 happening that the reszoned especially 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:57.896 in the residential blocks will cause a 00:02:57.920 --> 00:03:00.920 significant rise in rates 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:03.736 so three miss man there's a couple of 00:03:03.760 --> 00:03:06.760 points worth noting in that if the at 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:09.495 the moment the way council's rating 00:03:09.519 --> 00:03:11.495 structure actually works is that the 00:03:11.519 --> 00:03:13.575 calculation for residential and farmland 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:16.376 is the same there is the chance that 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:18.215 rates could increase because of the fact 00:03:18.239 --> 00:03:20.135 the land value would increase if the 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:22.215 rezoning occurs but that would 00:03:22.239 --> 00:03:24.776 not necessarily directly be related to 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.800 the zone change if that makes sense 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:31.000 what what could trigger a change in the 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:34.120 rating category from farmland to 00:03:34.959 --> 00:03:37.096 residential is the value of general 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:38.935 deciding that the land is being used for 00:03:38.959 --> 00:03:40.215 a different purpose to what it's 00:03:40.239 --> 00:03:43.239 currently being used so the if the 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:45.416 current property owners did not change 00:03:45.440 --> 00:03:47.976 the use and kept using it as farmland 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:50.215 then that would not trigger a change in 00:03:50.239 --> 00:03:52.456 rating category 00:03:52.480 --> 00:03:55.480 if the value general was of a mind 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:00.120 to start rating some of those properties 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:01.415 differently we would have the 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:03.016 opportunity to provide feedback to the 00:04:03.040 --> 00:04:04.536 value general and say we don't believe 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:06.376 there's a change in the use so we want 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:08.135 you to review your position at the 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:10.935 moment 00:04:10.959 --> 00:04:12.935 councilor Lane I have questions as well 00:04:12.959 --> 00:04:14.616 yeah thanks i've just got a few 00:04:14.640 --> 00:04:15.856 questions 00:04:15.880 --> 00:04:18.775 just if to the director of 00:04:18.799 --> 00:04:19.895 planning if you wanted to take us 00:04:19.919 --> 00:04:21.335 through a little bit of the the process 00:04:21.359 --> 00:04:23.816 here i mean as thick as this document is 00:04:23.840 --> 00:04:26.455 it's still I guess preliminary to a lot 00:04:26.479 --> 00:04:28.536 more to come in future years and I just 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:30.856 wanted to know a little bit about 00:04:30.880 --> 00:04:32.455 planning like master planning for a lot 00:04:32.479 --> 00:04:34.416 of these sites and I only say this 00:04:34.440 --> 00:04:37.440 because we get a lot of DAS before 00:04:38.280 --> 00:04:41.096 council in terms of like minor 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:43.016 subdivisions so you know a few over here 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:44.216 and a few over here and it's quite 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.936 fragmented across the SH this is you 00:04:46.960 --> 00:04:49.256 know obviously a very large group of 00:04:49.280 --> 00:04:51.576 land holdings but they're not 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:54.376 necessarily owned by the one person and 00:04:54.400 --> 00:04:57.256 I don't know whether there is intent to 00:04:57.280 --> 00:04:59.296 subdivide or develop in the short 00:04:59.320 --> 00:05:01.496 term i'm trying to work out what that 00:05:01.520 --> 00:05:02.936 process looks like whether you might 00:05:02.960 --> 00:05:05.416 have some lots being developed peace 00:05:05.440 --> 00:05:07.895 meal as opposed to say if I could give 00:05:07.919 --> 00:05:10.296 an example maybe Tura Beach which was 00:05:10.320 --> 00:05:13.320 done in stages albeit done with a master 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.256 plan the roads were in the right spot 00:05:15.280 --> 00:05:17.096 the storm water was in the right spot 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:17.856 you 00:05:17.880 --> 00:05:20.856 know planning proper planning was done 00:05:20.880 --> 00:05:21.976 yeah can you talk us through that 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:23.735 process 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:26.759 three Mr Mayor just to recap at 00:05:27.919 --> 00:05:29.096 the start of what you said about where 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:30.936 we are in the process so what we're 00:05:30.960 --> 00:05:32.696 doing right now is that we've got a 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:34.696 draft planning proposal before you that 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:36.455 we are looking to go to the department 00:05:36.479 --> 00:05:38.096 of planning to get a gateway 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:40.776 determination if they approve that it 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:42.536 will mean we can then put that on public 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:44.615 exhibition and go out to the 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:45.816 community and there'll be some 00:05:45.840 --> 00:05:48.455 stakeholders as well to look at this 00:05:48.479 --> 00:05:49.816 is what we're proposing to do and get 00:05:49.840 --> 00:05:51.976 feedback so this is and it will then 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:53.576 come back to council for a final 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:54.856 decision as to whether you support this 00:05:54.880 --> 00:05:57.096 or not in terms of the master planning 00:05:57.120 --> 00:05:58.696 side of things that's definitely a 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.175 future stage or a next stage of the 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:04.199 process we would be looking to 00:06:05.120 --> 00:06:07.496 looking for grant funding for council to 00:06:07.520 --> 00:06:09.656 do some master planning like you said 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:11.576 there are multiple land owners in these 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:12.856 areas and it would be a much better 00:06:12.880 --> 00:06:14.936 outcome overall if there is some master 00:06:14.960 --> 00:06:16.536 planning done and potentially work 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:19.256 staged at the moment that's not 00:06:19.280 --> 00:06:20.856 funded but we would be applying for 00:06:20.880 --> 00:06:22.615 grant funding to see what we can do in 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:25.015 that in that way in the future if this 00:06:25.039 --> 00:06:27.735 is supported 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:30.759 yeah I guess though is there still 00:06:31.280 --> 00:06:33.336 potential for this to be a peace meal 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:35.576 kind of approach if some land owners 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.600 decide to develop and some don't and 00:06:38.880 --> 00:06:39.976 what does that look like there's no 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:41.576 point in doing a master plan if the road 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:43.656 stops here for you know 100 meters and 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:45.735 then picks up again and then you know I 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.376 I guess I just trying to this is the 00:06:48.400 --> 00:06:50.376 largest easily the largest planning 00:06:50.400 --> 00:06:52.216 proposal for residential lots that we've 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:55.015 seen you know in my time in council and 00:06:55.039 --> 00:06:57.816 I'm just trying to get a sense of what 00:06:57.840 --> 00:07:00.536 you know process sure but what's likely 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:03.560 to be the outcome here through Mr Mayor 00:07:03.840 --> 00:07:06.056 so yes the master planning will help us 00:07:06.080 --> 00:07:07.895 I guess come up with a cohesive plan for 00:07:07.919 --> 00:07:10.696 the three precincts and look at how that 00:07:10.720 --> 00:07:13.720 um development could be staged or rolled 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:17.800 out there will be a like a 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:19.735 servicing strategy that would look at 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:21.416 the staging and when and how those 00:07:21.440 --> 00:07:23.735 services need to be put in and where the 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.696 best place is so we're not seeing 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:28.536 less than ideal I guess servicing that 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.216 is ad hoc it's part of the bigger 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.240 picture and that part of what we 00:07:34.960 --> 00:07:36.376 need to do as well is add a special 00:07:36.400 --> 00:07:39.400 clause in our leap when we gazette it um 00:07:39.440 --> 00:07:41.416 to ensure that the staging comes forward 00:07:41.440 --> 00:07:43.656 in does occur in a planned manner so 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:44.936 there's a few different bits we're doing 00:07:44.960 --> 00:07:47.336 to try and make that a coordinated and 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:50.360 planned um feature work well and just 00:07:51.280 --> 00:07:53.096 one more if you could speak to the 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:55.015 affordable housing contribution scheme 00:07:55.039 --> 00:07:57.496 here so like obviously we've got a 00:07:57.520 --> 00:08:00.216 policy um on public exhibition at the 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:02.855 moment i'm not sure how we se like how 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:05.575 it's separated between the scheme which 00:08:05.599 --> 00:08:08.056 is attached to 00:08:08.080 --> 00:08:11.080 a planning proposal like this um and 00:08:11.599 --> 00:08:14.455 a policy which goes to these fragmented 00:08:14.479 --> 00:08:17.015 developments like I was talking about 00:08:17.039 --> 00:08:20.039 earlier and how that works and 00:08:21.080 --> 00:08:23.575 also if it is attached to the one that's 00:08:23.599 --> 00:08:26.216 on draft exhibition at the moment public 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:28.056 exhibition at the moment how that 00:08:28.080 --> 00:08:30.455 pertains to this yeah through Mr 00:08:30.479 --> 00:08:33.176 Mayor so this planning proposal has an 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.176 affordable housing contributions scheme 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.895 attached to it um a scheme and a policy 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:39.656 um are different mechanisms that do 00:08:39.680 --> 00:08:42.216 different things a an affordable 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:44.776 housing contributions scheme is 00:08:44.800 --> 00:08:47.336 linked to and is only relevant when a 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.056 council is doing a planning proposal to 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.080 reszone um and increase density so the 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:54.856 scheme is particular to this work 00:08:54.880 --> 00:08:56.616 because we are leading it and it 00:08:56.640 --> 00:08:59.495 would become a mandatory part of that 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:02.519 change and that up zoning so if the 00:09:02.640 --> 00:09:05.576 zones are changed and and the affordable 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:07.336 housing contribution scheme is approved 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:10.360 as part of that um it would come into 00:09:10.640 --> 00:09:13.416 effect with these zoning changes the 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.440 affordable housing contributions policy 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:20.360 is a that's a signal it is 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.536 relevant sorry when developerled or 00:09:24.560 --> 00:09:26.776 proponentled planning proposals come in 00:09:26.800 --> 00:09:28.776 so where an individual developer is 00:09:28.800 --> 00:09:30.375 looking to get uplift or greater gain 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:32.216 from their development because they're 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:34.136 looking to increase the height limit or 00:09:34.160 --> 00:09:37.160 increase the density um that policy if 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:39.416 adopted by council would then apply in 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:41.255 that instance and that's negotiated with 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:44.279 the developer um for their development 00:09:44.800 --> 00:09:47.255 um like you said that policy is 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:49.255 currently on exhibition um it will come 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:51.336 back to council for adoption or sorry 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:52.935 for consideration as to whether you 00:09:52.959 --> 00:09:54.136 would like to adopt it or not it will 00:09:54.160 --> 00:09:56.296 not impact this if we want to consider 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:58.696 affordable housing contributions for 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.720 this Bega urban growth resoning this 00:10:02.880 --> 00:10:04.616 is the opportunity to do it if the 00:10:04.640 --> 00:10:07.096 affordable housing contribution scheme 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.416 um is not supported and doesn't go ahead 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:11.495 then there's no other no the scheme for 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:13.656 the bigger one yeah that's our only 00:10:13.680 --> 00:10:15.576 opportunity for affordable housing 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.600 contributions for this area 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:24.120 um Ed just like in terms 00:10:24.760 --> 00:10:27.760 of it's it's unique to have a councilled 00:10:28.079 --> 00:10:31.079 planning proposal for this scale anyway 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:34.200 of um residential development and not 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:37.976 have it led necessarily by um the land 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:41.000 owners is there I mean like any kind of 00:10:41.760 --> 00:10:43.576 cost recovery I mean this is costing 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:45.176 hundreds of thousands of dollars um of 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:47.016 taxpayers not necessarily rateayers 00:10:47.040 --> 00:10:49.176 money um is there any kind of cost 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:52.200 recovery that we do in this process um 00:10:53.040 --> 00:10:55.736 to recoup those funds um because I note 00:10:55.760 --> 00:10:57.255 that I mean council's not necessarily 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.576 the beneficiary of a a contribution 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:01.616 scheme that would 00:11:01.640 --> 00:11:04.640 be separate so through you Mr Mayor um 00:11:05.760 --> 00:11:08.216 the work to date has been fully grant 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:11.240 funded so this this work isn't costing 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:15.320 the rateayer for the Oh yeah well yes 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.440 it's it's state I think state funding um 00:11:19.680 --> 00:11:22.680 so no we're council isn't re well I 00:11:22.880 --> 00:11:24.536 guess we're recouping costs from the 00:11:24.560 --> 00:11:27.016 state um in terms of developing the 00:11:27.040 --> 00:11:29.896 planning proposal um and doing that work 00:11:29.920 --> 00:11:31.896 um the other piece that I should just 00:11:31.920 --> 00:11:33.736 clarify the affordable housing 00:11:33.760 --> 00:11:35.576 contribution scheme that's proposed only 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:37.336 applies to the land identified in this 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:39.736 planning proposal it's not shywide it's 00:11:39.760 --> 00:11:42.760 just this land that's been identified 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:45.495 miss May if I can just add something 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:47.176 about your first point about this being 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:48.776 unique this is relatively unique to the 00:11:48.800 --> 00:11:50.616 Bea Valley but it's not necessarily 00:11:50.640 --> 00:11:52.696 unique across New South Wales so for us 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.416 we haven't typically done something like 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:57.440 this and and there are other places that 00:11:57.680 --> 00:11:59.896 it has happened though 00:11:59.920 --> 00:12:02.920 councilman Daily um furthering on to 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:05.176 that can you maybe briefly explain for 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.176 the community's benefit why council 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:10.200 decided to do this scope of work 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:15.639 um three Mr Mayor um we 00:12:16.160 --> 00:12:17.815 um have been looking at future housing 00:12:17.839 --> 00:12:20.456 need for the SH and looking at um what 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:22.055 is the need for our community in the 00:12:22.079 --> 00:12:25.079 next 10 15 20 plus years um we've 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:27.255 identified and the numbers are in the 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:28.536 report and I'm going to get it wrong 00:12:28.560 --> 00:12:30.776 it's over a thousand um new homes we 00:12:30.800 --> 00:12:32.456 need in the next 10 years and then even 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:34.136 more when you expand that out a little 00:12:34.160 --> 00:12:36.776 bit further um so part of what we have 00:12:36.800 --> 00:12:38.296 done is look at where is the most 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:41.320 logical um space for um future urban 00:12:41.920 --> 00:12:44.696 growth in the shire our shire is um as 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:47.336 you would know constrained by topography 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:50.296 biodiversity we've got 80% national park 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:53.096 um the land that is develop developable 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:56.120 is very limited um so this was a 00:12:56.160 --> 00:12:57.896 proactive piece of work to go how do we 00:12:57.920 --> 00:12:59.416 make sure that there is residential land 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:00.935 available to support the future growth 00:13:00.959 --> 00:13:03.495 of our community and this area um is one 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:06.519 of the the main and most um probable 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:10.615 likely areas 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:13.639 true m and as a sort of step back in 00:13:14.079 --> 00:13:16.776 understanding what that future need is 00:13:16.800 --> 00:13:18.536 guided by a residential land strategy 00:13:18.560 --> 00:13:20.216 that identifies what we've got available 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.296 and what the future needs might be and 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:24.136 then we sort of get into where we 00:13:24.160 --> 00:13:26.536 accommodate that the other challenge 00:13:26.560 --> 00:13:28.055 that we do have in the Bea Valley 00:13:28.079 --> 00:13:29.896 compared to some others is that of the 00:13:29.920 --> 00:13:32.536 land that does exist that could 00:13:32.560 --> 00:13:34.296 potentially be used for residential 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:35.896 development most of it's already fairly 00:13:35.920 --> 00:13:38.216 fragmented which means that for any 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:39.976 individual to do this piece of work on 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.776 their own would generally make it fairly 00:13:42.800 --> 00:13:44.615 cost prohibitive so we've been fortunate 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:46.456 that there was a state grant program to 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:49.016 do this and I think one of the drivers 00:13:49.040 --> 00:13:50.776 was that was the state starting to 00:13:50.800 --> 00:13:52.935 recognize that unless they provided some 00:13:52.959 --> 00:13:54.536 sort of supporting intervention to do 00:13:54.560 --> 00:13:56.615 this strategic planning stage then it 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:58.136 was too high risk from a financial 00:13:58.160 --> 00:13:59.656 perspective for individuals to take it 00:13:59.680 --> 00:14:02.680 on so yeah a little bit of good timing 00:14:02.800 --> 00:14:05.800 for us that the state um implemented a 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:08.375 regional strategic planning fund I think 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:10.055 is what they called it at the time that 00:14:10.079 --> 00:14:11.815 we were ready to go with some projects 00:14:11.839 --> 00:14:14.296 like this 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:17.096 i'd like to move the motion just one 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:19.495 thing this council you have a question I 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:21.736 have one some questions yeah just 00:14:21.760 --> 00:14:24.456 briefly I mean in principle you know 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:27.480 contributing to um housing supply for 00:14:27.760 --> 00:14:30.760 future generations obviously a huge need 00:14:30.800 --> 00:14:32.615 and something that this council has done 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:35.016 a lot of work on um just thinking about 00:14:35.040 --> 00:14:37.736 the um land holders and adjacent 00:14:37.760 --> 00:14:40.760 landholders i see attachment to the 00:14:41.040 --> 00:14:43.096 pre-lodgement consultation looks like 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:44.456 there was a lot of work done to make 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:46.935 sure everyone was informed about this 00:14:46.959 --> 00:14:49.175 um but can you speak to the the broad 00:14:49.199 --> 00:14:51.576 sentiment from those who did respond in 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:54.600 writing or attending um community um 00:14:54.880 --> 00:14:56.696 consultations because that's sort of not 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:59.336 captured in in terms of what people 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:02.136 actually feel about um the proposed 00:15:02.160 --> 00:15:05.160 reasoning 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:10.136 supportive or otherwise 00:15:10.160 --> 00:15:13.160 through you Mr Mayor um we we have done 00:15:14.079 --> 00:15:17.079 a lot of um engagement as much as we can 00:15:17.760 --> 00:15:19.096 with land owners and adjoining land 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:21.016 owners we also had a community session 00:15:21.040 --> 00:15:22.856 in Vega that was open to anyone to 00:15:22.880 --> 00:15:24.935 attend who interested in finding out 00:15:24.959 --> 00:15:27.959 more and um answering questions um we 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:30.856 haven't had a lot of a lot of specific 00:15:30.880 --> 00:15:33.815 feedback to date um but putting this on 00:15:33.839 --> 00:15:36.216 exhibition will allow more data to more 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:38.935 specific discussions to occur um we did 00:15:38.959 --> 00:15:41.255 right back at the structure planning 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:44.279 stage which was that that initial thing 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:45.976 of this is what we're thinking it might 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:47.815 look something like this we ran 00:15:47.839 --> 00:15:49.495 community consultations as part of that 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:51.175 and had a lot of feedback through there 00:15:51.199 --> 00:15:53.175 that we were able to use to refine the 00:15:53.199 --> 00:15:55.416 plan um but this really is that next 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.495 step and the point where we really need 00:15:57.519 --> 00:15:59.416 that feedback to go right here's the 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:02.216 fine grain detail um and the the 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.536 boundaries have changed some there have 00:16:04.560 --> 00:16:06.856 been changes in what's proposed now 00:16:06.880 --> 00:16:09.096 compared to what was talked about at 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:10.856 structure plan stage so this is really 00:16:10.880 --> 00:16:12.976 that critical 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:15.336 piece may I guess the from my 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:16.935 perspective I haven't been as deeply 00:16:16.959 --> 00:16:19.656 involved i think it's sort of been more 00:16:19.680 --> 00:16:21.495 wanting to understand the potential 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:23.336 impacts has been what we've got back is 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:24.776 so if you go ahead with this what does 00:16:24.800 --> 00:16:27.255 it mean and that so it's been almost to 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:29.815 this point a lot of explanation and I 00:16:29.839 --> 00:16:32.839 expect that if council progresses this 00:16:33.040 --> 00:16:34.696 it goes through a gateway process and 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:36.536 then we go through a formal exhibition 00:16:36.560 --> 00:16:38.456 and consultation process that's probably 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:40.055 where you'll get the more specific 00:16:40.079 --> 00:16:42.375 feedback on what people think at that 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.255 stage so it's sort of um it is a long 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.096 process to get to the point where 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:49.416 anything changes and like the director 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:51.336 said there's the structure plan was the 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:54.216 first step now this sort of piece 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:56.055 getting to the point where we then seek 00:16:56.079 --> 00:16:58.375 to put something formally out and it's 00:16:58.399 --> 00:16:59.856 almost like this is 00:16:59.880 --> 00:17:02.456 the the most serious point now where we 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:04.055 say okay we really think now that this 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:06.456 is what we want to progress with so 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:08.616 after this consultation period assuming 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:10.856 it goes ahead after gateway that's 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:13.576 getting to a critical decision stage 00:17:13.600 --> 00:17:15.336 harrison I have a question or council 00:17:15.360 --> 00:17:17.815 name you have another question yeah it 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:19.096 relates to something you just said a 00:17:19.120 --> 00:17:22.120 moment ago it's about suitable land um 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:25.480 the land west of the highway um 00:17:26.679 --> 00:17:28.696 offensive hilly and we talk about 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:30.376 topography and delivering services 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:32.616 including roads and storm water right 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:34.056 across all our service and how difficult 00:17:34.080 --> 00:17:36.376 it is if you were to say to me about a 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:38.296 residential subdivision in that area I 00:17:38.320 --> 00:17:39.576 would say to you that would be very 00:17:39.600 --> 00:17:41.816 difficult to do all the lots are mainly 00:17:41.840 --> 00:17:43.736 large residential lots which will 00:17:43.760 --> 00:17:45.816 require access more services than 00:17:45.840 --> 00:17:48.456 currently provided but the topography of 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:51.480 that land doesn't land land doesn't suit 00:17:51.600 --> 00:17:54.600 multi-stage development um do you think 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:56.456 land is suitable or is there other land 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:59.416 i guess through Mr i'm happy to answer 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:00.976 that having 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:04.000 um this year been to Queenstown and out 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:07.336 of that experience um I've come to the 00:18:07.360 --> 00:18:09.416 conclusion that that you can build 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:12.440 houses on cliffs almost what I would say 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:14.616 is that in the Beer Valley our staff 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:16.136 have done the work over a number of 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:18.056 years to assess where the least 00:18:18.080 --> 00:18:21.080 constrained areas are so yes that you do 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:24.015 start to get into some topographically 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:26.616 constrained area there but it doesn't 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:28.535 mean it's not feasible and if you look 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:30.376 for other locations in our SH that 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.400 aren't constrained either worse on the 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:36.696 same issue or in a different way you 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:38.296 start to run out of options pretty quick 00:18:38.320 --> 00:18:39.576 and that's the challenge in the valley 00:18:39.600 --> 00:18:41.496 we're starting to get to the point where 00:18:41.520 --> 00:18:43.655 we are running out of land that isn't 00:18:43.679 --> 00:18:45.336 constrained in some way quite 00:18:45.360 --> 00:18:47.736 significantly otherwise so the cost may 00:18:47.760 --> 00:18:49.256 be higher is the point of developing 00:18:49.280 --> 00:18:50.856 that m Harrison you want to reply as 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:53.256 well well I was just going to add I was 00:18:53.280 --> 00:18:55.256 just going to add to what um the CEO 00:18:55.280 --> 00:18:58.280 said the the proposed reszoning for that 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:00.616 area of land has taken the topography 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:02.616 and challenges into account and what 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:04.696 you'll see um that the western precinct 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:07.015 is predominantly R5 and recreation lands 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:09.176 with only suburban so it it has been 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:10.535 considered in the development of the 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:12.296 plan 00:19:12.320 --> 00:19:14.616 can I see it now um yeah sorry if I've 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:16.535 missed it in here but and I know that 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:18.176 we're in early stages 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:21.200 but how if there's multiple land 00:19:22.520 --> 00:19:25.496 owners and um you know we look at 00:19:25.520 --> 00:19:26.936 consent conditions like upgrading 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.176 highway intersections um you know we've 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:30.856 got lots of roads here lots of main 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:33.880 arterial roads connected next to this 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.576 development how how do you go 00:19:36.600 --> 00:19:39.600 about assuming who's who goes who pays 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:43.960 what for those upgrades and um and how 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:48.216 far do you go as well cuz I mean 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:50.296 there's one thing to provide sewer or 00:19:50.320 --> 00:19:53.320 storm water you know easy but yeah when 00:19:54.080 --> 00:19:56.456 it when it comes to other higher level 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:59.416 services yeah h who pays and how do you 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:02.136 allocate those costs 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:04.775 through Mr from a council infrastructure 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:06.535 perspective it's relatively easy because 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:07.976 we can do that through contributions 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:10.376 plans one of the one of the important 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:12.296 next steps out of this is if council 00:20:12.320 --> 00:20:14.376 support this and it goes to gateway then 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:16.456 it's more than likely that transport for 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:18.136 New South Wales for example will get 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:21.160 really explicit on what they expect us 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:23.655 to do to manage impacts from the highway 00:20:23.679 --> 00:20:26.679 out of this and minimize connections and 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:29.720 and and start to get specific about what 00:20:29.840 --> 00:20:32.840 sort of treatments they'd expect and 00:20:33.520 --> 00:20:35.655 that would then sort of guide what 00:20:35.679 --> 00:20:37.976 happens next and how is it funded there 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:41.000 are um from my perspective I can see 00:20:41.280 --> 00:20:44.135 very simply some mitigating measures 00:20:44.159 --> 00:20:45.736 that could be put in place to really 00:20:45.760 --> 00:20:47.895 minimize the impacts on the highway at 00:20:47.919 --> 00:20:49.336 the moment and it might mean some 00:20:49.360 --> 00:20:50.936 existing intersection upgrades but they 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:53.416 will be avoiding multiple connections 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:56.216 back on the highway so hopefully that 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:58.135 answers it but contributions plans from 00:20:58.159 --> 00:20:59.736 a council perspective and the mechanism 00:20:59.760 --> 00:21:02.760 we've got to address that one of 00:21:03.159 --> 00:21:05.895 the one of the bigger challenges is 00:21:05.919 --> 00:21:08.535 going to be understanding in particular 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:10.535 what sort of road network internally in 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:11.976 all of that area would make sense to 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:13.936 service all of that and 00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:16.696 then we cannot control and would not be 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:18.296 able to control the timing of when 00:21:18.320 --> 00:21:21.320 property owners decided to lodge DAS so 00:21:21.520 --> 00:21:23.096 as much as we try and plan for the 00:21:23.120 --> 00:21:24.535 future we're going to have to do some 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:26.696 merit-based responsive assessment and 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:29.720 think about how we would address 00:21:30.320 --> 00:21:32.135 subdivision applications if they come in 00:21:32.159 --> 00:21:35.159 in in out of sync orders 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:38.400 so yeah like I get the contribution 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:41.015 stuff for council's fairly easy but the 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:42.696 stuff from say transport for New South 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.416 Wales it would be pretty difficult if 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:48.296 someone wants to develop their lots and 00:21:48.320 --> 00:21:51.015 someone else doesn't like it almost are 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:53.976 you hinting here is this like to be 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:55.535 frank are 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:58.559 you is the intent here to push the land 00:21:59.280 --> 00:22:01.976 owners or prompt the land owners to sell 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:03.976 collectively to like a developer who can 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:07.000 develop it maybe in stages 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:10.559 but still as one cohesive development is 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:12.296 is that what you're pushing for sorry I 00:22:12.320 --> 00:22:13.416 haven't done this before and I'm just 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:15.176 trying to work out is that what you want 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:17.895 or do you intend for the land owners to 00:22:17.919 --> 00:22:20.919 develop separately 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:23.336 what we are intending to do is create an 00:22:23.360 --> 00:22:25.416 enabling environment for any of those 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:27.496 scenarios that you just outlined to play 00:22:27.520 --> 00:22:30.056 out we can't control it we don't have a 00:22:30.080 --> 00:22:32.696 um clear understanding of what the 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:34.696 development sector or market is going to 00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:37.720 do and that's the challenge with this 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:40.535 so we could plan for all kinds of 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:42.775 scenarios and from my perspective it's 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:44.696 something different will play out so we 00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:46.535 do have to be responsive to some degree 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.559 in this and again like I said if you 00:22:50.120 --> 00:22:52.696 compare this catchment to some other 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:55.720 parts of the SH there is at least some 00:22:55.760 --> 00:22:57.576 reasonable level of consolidation of 00:22:57.600 --> 00:22:59.416 ownership here compared to others that 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:02.440 make some of it viable as is in the 00:23:03.760 --> 00:23:06.456 existing lot configuration other parts 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:09.336 of that area though um less so and that 00:23:09.360 --> 00:23:10.456 and we're going to have to manage around 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:11.616 that 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:14.640 so yeah there is a lot of uncertainty 00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:16.296 around what the future means in this and 00:23:16.320 --> 00:23:18.535 we can't really control that yeah could 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:21.496 I just Sorry mism just cuz you said this 00:23:21.520 --> 00:23:22.936 earlier you said I mean obviously it 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:24.056 doesn't happen a lot here in the big 00:23:24.080 --> 00:23:25.336 valley sh but it happens a lot 00:23:25.360 --> 00:23:28.360 everywhere else you know in context of 00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:30.376 not reinventing the wheel then what what 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:31.296 what 00:23:31.320 --> 00:23:33.816 what consultation do we have with other 00:23:33.840 --> 00:23:36.056 LGAs and what they've done what worked 00:23:36.080 --> 00:23:39.080 what didn't work um do we do we do that 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:42.616 through Mr to some degree we do but we 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:44.216 also that's one of the roles of the 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:45.816 department of planning is they have a 00:23:45.840 --> 00:23:47.336 really good understanding of what is 00:23:47.360 --> 00:23:49.256 happening statewide what does work what 00:23:49.280 --> 00:23:51.416 doesn't work what's feasible what's not 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:54.376 and that's partly why there is a gateway 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:56.616 process in in this is for the state to 00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:58.775 have that overall oversight 00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:01.336 one of the other things that we have 00:24:01.360 --> 00:24:03.416 been advocating for for a long time 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:05.895 there is movement at both state and 00:24:05.919 --> 00:24:08.056 federal level on is this recognition 00:24:08.080 --> 00:24:11.080 that if we rely on the private sector to 00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:15.255 develop all of the 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.279 call it key um spine infrastructure 00:24:19.360 --> 00:24:21.576 then things may not happen so that 00:24:21.600 --> 00:24:23.816 that's sort of one of the next steps out 00:24:23.840 --> 00:24:25.576 of this for us will be to try and get 00:24:25.600 --> 00:24:27.576 funding to develop some infrastructure 00:24:27.600 --> 00:24:29.416 master planning for it and then try and 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:31.416 get some 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.440 federal and state grant funding to to 00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:36.376 try and stimulate some of this 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:37.976 development to happen rather than just 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:39.736 wait and see what happens but whether 00:24:39.760 --> 00:24:41.255 that funding comes off who knows that's 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:43.015 the ideal scenario before I accept the 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:44.856 motion from council just one last 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:46.696 question for the people in the room who 00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:48.376 are property owners in the area could 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:51.400 you actually outline the steps as for if 00:24:51.520 --> 00:24:54.135 council pass this shortly the gateway 00:24:54.159 --> 00:24:56.616 determination and then what what advice 00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:59.056 and consultation will happen with those 00:24:59.080 --> 00:25:01.736 people mr Mayor so if council endorsed 00:25:01.760 --> 00:25:03.976 this today um we will be submitting it 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:05.255 to the department of planning for a 00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:07.255 gateway determination that will tell us 00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:09.895 what our consultation requirements are 00:25:09.919 --> 00:25:12.775 um once we get those um we will then 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:14.535 consult with the community which we 00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:17.559 would do anyway um the department might 00:25:17.919 --> 00:25:20.135 also require us to reconsult with other 00:25:20.159 --> 00:25:22.856 agencies or or have something particular 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:24.856 um it will so the planning proposal will 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:26.696 then go on public exhibition be on our 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:28.535 website we'll promote that um through a 00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:30.616 media release and through Facebook we'll 00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:33.640 have a um a set period of time i can't 00:25:34.080 --> 00:25:36.135 remember if it's 28 days or slightly 00:25:36.159 --> 00:25:39.015 longer 28 days um that it'll be 00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:42.039 available for comment we will um take in 00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:45.096 any feedback we receive and bring 00:25:45.120 --> 00:25:47.496 another report back to council with that 00:25:47.520 --> 00:25:49.255 feedback and with the staff 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:50.696 recommendation and then that will be 00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:53.176 your opportunity to um decide whether 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:56.200 you are fully supportive and in what way 00:25:56.320 --> 00:25:57.576 and then we would submit that through to 00:25:57.600 --> 00:25:59.655 the department for the final approval 00:25:59.679 --> 00:26:02.535 sarah 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:05.559 yeah so um in the past the state 00:26:06.080 --> 00:26:08.775 government obviously regulates 00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:10.775 um how many lots there are in any given 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:12.775 sort of LGA and whether there's like 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:15.176 well it it comes into the the gateway 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.336 process where they whether they think of 00:26:17.360 --> 00:26:20.360 approving or not approving something and 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:22.255 I just 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:25.279 wonder yeah I guess um 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.936 whether will this be taken into account 00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:30.616 in future developments in the bigger 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:32.456 valley Shire where you know if we say 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:35.096 that we don't have enough two or 00:26:35.120 --> 00:26:36.616 whatever it might be five or something 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.096 like that will that will this be taken 00:26:39.120 --> 00:26:40.376 into account when they say well you've 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.456 got undeveloped land why would we grant 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.936 you why why would we reszone anymore um 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.255 in the LAP I know sorry it's a bit of a 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:50.279 hypothetical but I just wanted to ask so 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:52.616 what the state would typically do is 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:55.096 look at an evidence base to justify why 00:26:55.120 --> 00:26:56.696 we are saying we want to do anything in 00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:59.720 our SH and it sort of goes back to that 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:02.456 the hierarchy so we start with our local 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:04.135 strategic planning statement that says 00:27:04.159 --> 00:27:05.736 this is what we want for our SH then we 00:27:05.760 --> 00:27:07.216 do more 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:10.240 um more specific or granular strategies 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.376 on different things like a residential 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.135 land strategy that then starts to 00:27:14.159 --> 00:27:15.895 identify what are our long-term needs 00:27:15.919 --> 00:27:17.496 what are our long-term opportunities to 00:27:17.520 --> 00:27:20.216 deliver on that and that's what we then 00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:22.856 use as an evidence base so if any 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.655 proponent initiated planning proposal 00:27:25.679 --> 00:27:28.679 comes along they need to then try and 00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:30.856 demonstrate how what they want to do 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:33.336 aligns with those existing hierarchy of 00:27:33.360 --> 00:27:34.775 strategic intents if it's something 00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:37.576 completely outside of that and it makes 00:27:37.600 --> 00:27:39.096 it through this council in the first 00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:40.296 place which our staff would not 00:27:40.320 --> 00:27:42.376 recommend to support more than likely 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:45.336 then the state will also look at that so 00:27:45.360 --> 00:27:47.816 what I'm saying here is not as not as 00:27:47.840 --> 00:27:49.976 simple as just a number calculation that 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:51.816 the state would use in how they assess a 00:27:51.840 --> 00:27:54.216 gateway determination and what you also 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:57.176 need to keep in mind is that there are 00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:59.736 multiple when we refer to the state in a 00:27:59.760 --> 00:28:01.416 planning proposal process there are 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:03.416 multiple agencies involved and 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:05.816 department of planning are one but the 00:28:05.840 --> 00:28:07.655 inputs of a lot of the other agencies 00:28:07.679 --> 00:28:10.056 that have an interest are also relevant 00:28:10.080 --> 00:28:11.816 and back to something Miss Harrison said 00:28:11.840 --> 00:28:14.840 before about the next steps from our 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:16.375 staff perspective they've done a lot of 00:28:16.399 --> 00:28:18.696 work with the agencies that have an 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:20.616 interest in this anyway so we're hoping 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:22.936 that we don't get too many surprises 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:24.856 from left field as this progresses 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:26.375 forward we've done a lot of work to get 00:28:26.399 --> 00:28:29.399 to this point now to try and have the 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:30.936 best understanding we can about what 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.576 might get thrown up next council you're 00:28:33.600 --> 00:28:36.600 happy to move the recommendation 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:40.296 secure your motion um thank you very 00:28:40.320 --> 00:28:43.320 much um let's start by um saying that 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:46.216 this is another example of the fact that 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.296 our planning system in this state is so 00:28:48.320 --> 00:28:50.616 cumbersome and so slow that I 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:52.375 congratulate the staff on making their 00:28:52.399 --> 00:28:54.775 way to this stage of it and as we've 00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:55.976 heard in the question and answers 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:57.496 there's going to be a lot more work 00:28:57.520 --> 00:29:00.520 before we see new residences and I'd 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:02.775 also like to mark just as we start on 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:05.255 this um there's a lot of change involved 00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.096 here for people who've lived on this 00:29:07.120 --> 00:29:10.120 land for a very long time so I'm so 00:29:10.159 --> 00:29:11.176 pleased that there is further 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:13.096 consultation while we all sort out what 00:29:13.120 --> 00:29:15.816 our interests are um from my point of 00:29:15.840 --> 00:29:17.176 view I've been part of the affordable 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.200 housing group um so we're obviously keen 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:22.135 on getting housing supply moving in the 00:29:22.159 --> 00:29:25.159 bigger valley why is that um apart from 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.440 anything else up to 2021 there was very 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:30.775 little growth in the population of the 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:32.535 bigger valley now we're in a growth 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:34.456 phase i notice our long-term financial 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.176 plan says we're going to grow um more 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.135 than 10% over the life of um over the 00:29:40.159 --> 00:29:42.296 next 20 years so we're going to have to 00:29:42.320 --> 00:29:44.216 adjust to that the report also says 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:46.375 it'll be people coming in from outside 00:29:46.399 --> 00:29:48.375 add to our economy and all that sort of 00:29:48.399 --> 00:29:50.936 thing which is great but in the meantime 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.496 it's great that the council has surveyed 00:29:53.520 --> 00:29:55.895 all the land worked out what is the 00:29:55.919 --> 00:29:58.056 least disruptive what does keep the 00:29:58.080 --> 00:30:01.080 character of the bigger valley and um 00:30:01.360 --> 00:30:03.176 endeavored to bring the community along 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:05.655 through those discussions it's not there 00:30:05.679 --> 00:30:07.655 yet and the reason I wanted to move this 00:30:07.679 --> 00:30:08.936 motion in particular is not just because 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.655 of the affordable housing um impact this 00:30:11.679 --> 00:30:13.816 will have but I went to that bigger 00:30:13.840 --> 00:30:16.456 consultation there's issues that come up 00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:17.816 from the community that have to be 00:30:17.840 --> 00:30:19.816 addressed like the sale yards there was 00:30:19.840 --> 00:30:21.496 a worry that this new residential 00:30:21.520 --> 00:30:22.936 development would be too close to the 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:25.895 sale yards these things are being sorted 00:30:25.919 --> 00:30:28.696 out as we go along so again good process 00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.720 there um and one of the other things 00:30:32.399 --> 00:30:35.336 that um councelor nato raised about 00:30:35.360 --> 00:30:37.135 what's happening in other 00:30:37.159 --> 00:30:39.655 areas even though I find the entire 00:30:39.679 --> 00:30:41.336 planning system incredibly frustrating 00:30:41.360 --> 00:30:43.096 and slow it is really good that there is 00:30:43.120 --> 00:30:44.936 a gateway to termination and that we 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:46.736 look at these things from this higher 00:30:46.760 --> 00:30:49.760 level of what works what doesn't in this 00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.775 area and we know that state government 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:55.336 too is very keen that housing supply be 00:30:55.360 --> 00:30:58.056 increased but only if it's done properly 00:30:58.080 --> 00:31:00.135 um so that is very long-winded way of 00:31:00.159 --> 00:31:01.775 saying I fully support the staff 00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:03.976 recommendation um hope we get through 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.056 the gateway determination and can start 00:31:06.080 --> 00:31:08.375 coming back to the community on the next 00:31:08.399 --> 00:31:11.399 phase of this um I also just want to 00:31:12.159 --> 00:31:14.056 finish though by saying this is not the 00:31:14.080 --> 00:31:17.080 only way to get extra residences into 00:31:17.840 --> 00:31:20.535 the SH we've also made changes to make 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:22.696 it easier to increase the density of 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.176 housing within our towns so in the 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:26.535 meantime while we're waiting for this 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.015 extraordinarily slow process could 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:30.696 people please have a look at what they 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:32.895 can do in the province good economic 00:31:32.919 --> 00:31:34.936 opportunities good ways to bring in 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.255 affordable housing and we can get along 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.135 with that straight away thanks for 00:31:40.159 --> 00:31:41.696 speaker 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:44.720 against speaker for aid yeah I'll be 00:31:46.159 --> 00:31:47.895 voting for it i just want to flag a few 00:31:47.919 --> 00:31:50.375 things first of which is like the 00:31:50.399 --> 00:31:52.216 uncertainty around this moving forward 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:54.056 and the decades that it will likely take 00:31:54.080 --> 00:31:56.856 for this to roll out and I say that 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.255 because like it's all sounds very lovely 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.096 um having thousands of new you know 00:32:01.120 --> 00:32:03.336 homes more supply we know is the problem 00:32:03.360 --> 00:32:05.015 in this sh at the moment to bring down 00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:08.039 home prices partly bring them down 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:11.960 um but I would say as well that we see 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.176 how development works in regional areas 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.096 it happens in stages it happens slowly 00:32:17.120 --> 00:32:19.255 over many years and I'd like to think 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.279 that this is part of a wider rolling 00:32:22.399 --> 00:32:23.816 plan and I hope that program that you 00:32:23.840 --> 00:32:26.840 were talking about Mr mcmahon um 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:28.936 continues for strategic planning so that 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.960 we can look at areas um up north as well 00:32:32.080 --> 00:32:35.080 um you know over to the east PMula 00:32:35.919 --> 00:32:38.919 Mimula out at Chur Beach you know um and 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:41.655 down down further south in Eden and even 00:32:41.679 --> 00:32:44.679 Kaya um so that so that hedging our bets 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:47.736 on getting a higher growth across the 00:32:47.760 --> 00:32:50.760 shire not just backing um one area for 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.775 growth and and putting all of eggs in 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:54.856 one basket so I think it's important to 00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:56.616 say that make sure that we're still 00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.255 focused on opening up more area across 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:01.895 the SH um the other but you know the 00:33:01.919 --> 00:33:04.296 other thing that I'd say as well is what 00:33:04.320 --> 00:33:06.616 area that we're opening up and you can 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:08.936 go to page 10 here and it we're talking 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:11.960 about changing RU1 primary production 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.519 um into um R2 E1 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:20.616 RE1 so you're taking away we're taking 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:23.096 away primary production land good 00:33:23.120 --> 00:33:26.056 fertile great farming land to build 00:33:26.080 --> 00:33:28.056 houses which is you know whatever it's 00:33:28.080 --> 00:33:30.535 it's here it's in the report you know 00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:33.416 RU2 is in here as well R5 and it's 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.495 increasing that density and that that's 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.519 fine but I I just I wanted to flag it 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:40.736 because we've only got so much 00:33:40.760 --> 00:33:43.736 RU1 primary production in the Bea Valley 00:33:43.760 --> 00:33:45.816 and in New South Wales and in Australia 00:33:45.840 --> 00:33:47.736 and if you keep just relying on that 00:33:47.760 --> 00:33:50.375 land that's already cleared um and 00:33:50.399 --> 00:33:52.296 that's been farmed to put your homes on 00:33:52.320 --> 00:33:53.495 like eventually you're going to run out 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:55.816 of your ability to to generate food so I 00:33:55.840 --> 00:33:57.816 just always should flag that with this 00:33:57.840 --> 00:33:59.255 kind of thing aside from that I'm 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:02.135 interested to see what the gateway says 00:34:02.159 --> 00:34:03.576 and I'm interested very interested to 00:34:03.600 --> 00:34:05.015 see what the community says when this is 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.015 placed on public exhibition thanks 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.796 Councilman any speaker against other 00:34:09.820 --> 00:34:12.820 [Music] 00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.296 speaker motion all those in 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:18.320 favor carried unanimously 00:34:19.720 --> 00:34:21.855 council just having a look in the 00:34:21.879 --> 00:34:24.879 gallery that's item 8.1 we might go to 00:34:25.520 --> 00:34:28.520 Can I get a motion to move item 13.2 00:34:28.560 --> 00:34:30.615 forward yes Mr Mayor i move that we deal 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:33.055 with the the notice of 00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:36.079 motion 13.2 00:34:36.399 --> 00:34:39.399 i move it so now second council Allen 00:34:40.399 --> 00:34:43.095 all those in favor carried unanimously 00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:46.119 item 13.2 my motion's there councilors 00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:48.696 do I have a seconder i'll then speak to 00:34:48.720 --> 00:34:51.720 it or I'll possible additional.5 i have 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:54.176 a 00:34:54.200 --> 00:34:57.200 second what it's a notice of motion 00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:59.176 it's a notice of motion council I need a 00:34:59.200 --> 00:35:00.736 second councelor 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.575 Allen i'll just add a point five from 00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:06.376 today's presentation i'm trying to work 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.256 this um the council start point five 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:10.936 being that council staff to negotiate 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:13.095 with the industry in relation to 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.575 contribution to costs and report back to 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:18.599 council on the 00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.880 outcomes as five yep yeah sorry is it 00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:29.176 not yet jackie probably typing them in 00:35:29.200 --> 00:35:32.200 now would you mind yep so the four 00:35:33.359 --> 00:35:34.856 points remain the same and point five 00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:36.536 becomes that council staff negotiate 00:35:36.560 --> 00:35:37.976 with the industry in relation to 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.055 contribution to costs report back to 00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:42.055 council on outcomes today it was brought 00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:44.936 up that industry should pay so if we our 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:46.376 staff have that negotiation with 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:47.575 industry then we'll find out what 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:49.176 they're willing to pay and what the 00:35:49.200 --> 00:35:51.095 costs might be along those lines to 00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:54.119 contribute to it yep so Mr may can I 00:35:54.720 --> 00:35:56.616 just ask any amendments i just ask a 00:35:56.640 --> 00:35:58.416 clarifying question on this 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:01.440 um are you suggesting that that replaces 00:36:02.240 --> 00:36:05.240 the existing 04 because I feel like it 00:36:05.520 --> 00:36:07.656 might be No well point4 I still need to 00:36:07.680 --> 00:36:09.736 have the um without consent in there 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:12.376 that we we approve preparation of a 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:14.936 proposal as well but the contribution to 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.256 the proposal um you can probably happy 00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:19.496 to take out the budget allocation in the 00:36:19.520 --> 00:36:22.296 2526 financial year but at the moment I 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:23.976 also want it to happen and I'll speak to 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:25.575 that in the motion as to what happened 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.599 to the previous motion I guess 00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.616 jackie should be talking now is it in 00:36:32.640 --> 00:36:34.936 Teams Jackie sorry I hadn't given it to 00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:37.335 Jackie 00:36:37.359 --> 00:36:39.776 yeah I'll get 00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:42.800 it anthony's just going to type in so 00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:44.616 today there are several presentations 00:36:44.640 --> 00:36:46.216 and several questions about the paying 00:36:46.240 --> 00:36:48.536 of the cost i'm trying to cover that by 00:36:48.560 --> 00:36:50.936 having industry provide an example of 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:53.960 what they're willing to pay 00:37:14.560 --> 00:37:15.896 but if council is not happy with that 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:17.896 and want any amendment I'm quite happy 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:20.920 to listen to any amendments 00:38:01.359 --> 00:38:04.095 so three Mr Mayor just to clarify 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:06.856 um what I've put in the chat would be an 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:08.856 additional point that says that council 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:10.616 staff negotiate with the industry in 00:38:10.640 --> 00:38:11.896 relation to the contribution they're 00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:13.416 willing to make towards the cost of 00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:15.976 preparing a planning proposal and report 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.896 the outcomes back to council for budget 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:19.575 consideration 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.599 and then as part of the original point 4 00:38:25.040 --> 00:38:27.335 we just take out that last sentence that 00:38:27.359 --> 00:38:30.055 says budget allocation the 2025 26 00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.296 financial year as long as we put it in.5 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.320 then that budget allocation in the 25 26 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:36.936 year i don't want this dragging on to 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.656 the 26 27 year 27 28 year so I want the 00:38:39.680 --> 00:38:42.136 allocation and the the funding and the 00:38:42.160 --> 00:38:44.536 whole proposal to be done in the 25 26 00:38:44.560 --> 00:38:46.296 year 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:48.936 so at the bottom of 0.5 if we add the 00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:50.936 budget with with budget allocations in 00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.575 the 25 26 year as well onto 0.5 and take 00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:56.456 it out of 04 I'm fine with that 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.480 so just to clarify what you 00:38:59.680 --> 00:39:01.095 for budget considerations budget 00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:03.896 considerations in the 25 26 year yeah 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.920 next year does that mean by June 23 00:39:08.720 --> 00:39:11.095 all the negotiations yeah when you get 00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.119 off your bum and do it can I can I just 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.936 raise something Mr Mayor 00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:20.960 um so part of the staff's response here 00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.575 was that they don't know how much it's 00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:25.335 going to actually cost to do the 00:39:25.359 --> 00:39:28.359 planning proposal so when you say that 00:39:28.640 --> 00:39:30.776 council staff negotiate with the indust 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:32.136 because I don't mind this by the way 00:39:32.160 --> 00:39:33.896 negotiate with the industry in relation 00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:36.920 to the contribution that they make to 00:39:37.720 --> 00:39:40.216 what to preparing a planning proposal 00:39:40.240 --> 00:39:42.376 that costs what cuz we don't know are 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:43.736 you going to use are you going to use 00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:45.815 the figure of 300,000 or I'll just 00:39:45.839 --> 00:39:47.496 answer in two parts so the consultant 00:39:47.520 --> 00:39:49.575 fees for preparing a planning proposal 00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:51.656 the council staff mentioned there a 00:39:51.680 --> 00:39:54.055 figure of 10 to 20,000 i believe Mr 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:55.656 bunnings already had a draft proposal 00:39:55.680 --> 00:39:57.736 done um that he's paid for personally 00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:59.416 himself so basically that's already been 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.575 done depending on the staff if the staff 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:03.815 accept that the next proposition of that 00:40:03.839 --> 00:40:05.656 is for the staff to read that and see 00:40:05.680 --> 00:40:07.176 whether they're they are in agreement 00:40:07.200 --> 00:40:08.616 with that planning proposal to bring it 00:40:08.640 --> 00:40:10.456 to council to be lodged with as a 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.016 gateway proposal and then what planning 00:40:13.040 --> 00:40:15.416 what specialist studies New South Wales 00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:17.095 planning want to actually pass the 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:18.616 planning proposal as a gateway 00:40:18.640 --> 00:40:20.456 determination but until it gets to the 00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:21.896 planning proposal we don't know across 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.536 that because as leaded into it every 00:40:24.560 --> 00:40:27.416 property is different um if we go and 00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:29.016 say that every farmer's got to do this 00:40:29.040 --> 00:40:30.776 individually we won't have anything 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:33.335 happen so it has to happen right across 00:40:33.359 --> 00:40:35.976 the SH and that's why the motion is for 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.296 RU to land across the SH but I'm 00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:39.575 probably starting to talk to the motion 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.256 instead of actually Okay so in other 00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.575 words Mr just to clarify here for the 00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.256 counselors is um is 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.280 that you will be debating this hopefully 00:40:50.640 --> 00:40:53.640 the staff will have a response from 00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:57.760 industry with industry who are you 00:40:58.000 --> 00:40:59.656 talking about there is it I mean is it 00:40:59.680 --> 00:41:01.896 do you forestry and are you talking 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:03.896 about the the other speakers I want us 00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:05.815 to pass today that this council agrees 00:41:05.839 --> 00:41:08.776 to farm forestry on RU2 land we don't 00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:10.776 agree to that then we don't know the 00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:12.295 cost and we don't know what industry are 00:41:12.319 --> 00:41:14.456 going to provide so then we also need to 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:15.815 negotiate with industry as to what 00:41:15.839 --> 00:41:17.256 they're willing to provide to it and the 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.095 cost and whether we go ahead with that 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:21.896 part okay so in other words staff is 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.896 going to bring staff are going to bring 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.376 a report back to council when we adopt 00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.456 the budget in June and that will have a 00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:29.896 little bit of this detail and what the 00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.536 response was from the people that you 00:41:32.560 --> 00:41:34.536 just consult in the industry and we 00:41:34.560 --> 00:41:36.936 decide whether to proceed with this as a 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:39.960 budget re allocation yes but at the same 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:43.256 time today is about deciding whether 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.055 we're permitted can we see can we see 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:49.079 four and five in in teams altogether 00:41:49.839 --> 00:41:52.216 there because if we're making changes to 00:41:52.240 --> 00:41:54.456 four the what I just heard and I may 00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:56.936 have got it wrong is that approves the 00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.016 preparation of a proposal is going to 00:41:59.040 --> 00:42:01.256 still remain there in four well if 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:04.136 you're already approving it and then 00:42:04.160 --> 00:42:05.896 you're going to go out to industry and 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.055 ask you're not in much of a I think 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.456 it's Yeah the better wording would be 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.536 something like contingent upon 00:42:12.560 --> 00:42:14.376 consulting with the industry and a 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.536 budget consideration that's fine it does 00:42:16.560 --> 00:42:19.176 say budget consideration though so it's 00:42:19.200 --> 00:42:20.456 you've already got approves to 00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.480 preparation there well it gives in 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:26.599 principle support I guess to approve 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.055 the maybe it should just say go out 00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.079 go out there funding 00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.776 before starting 00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.736 I think what the Mayor is asking for is 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:41.335 in principal support to know whether 00:42:41.359 --> 00:42:42.776 there's even enough support in this 00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:45.800 council to proceed this concept it says 00:42:47.200 --> 00:42:50.016 approve the preparation of the proposal 00:42:50.040 --> 00:42:53.040 yeah principle can I ask 00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:58.696 so for the councils I've just put those 00:42:58.720 --> 00:43:00.536 two points in the chat the four five so 00:43:00.560 --> 00:43:02.376 you can see that i've got some questions 00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:03.896 rolling around in my head here to be 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:05.696 clear on 00:43:05.720 --> 00:43:08.216 this the the way that is currently 00:43:08.240 --> 00:43:11.240 worded says approves the preparation of 00:43:12.319 --> 00:43:14.856 proposal that isn't explicit about 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.656 approves who for a start because there 00:43:17.680 --> 00:43:19.656 is nothing preventing anyone at the 00:43:19.680 --> 00:43:21.976 moment from preparing a planning 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.376 proposal for anything in the bigger 00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:25.656 valley 00:43:25.680 --> 00:43:27.815 the other bit that I'm um sort of 00:43:27.839 --> 00:43:29.496 seeking a bit of clarity on is if we're 00:43:29.520 --> 00:43:31.976 going to go have a negotiation process 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.456 which I've also got questions on is um 00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:36.136 who are we referring to as industry for 00:43:36.160 --> 00:43:38.376 a start that's um another key piece in 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.095 this for us to be able to implement it 00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:44.119 and I would 00:43:44.520 --> 00:43:47.520 also if council resolves to do this need 00:43:47.839 --> 00:43:50.696 to get some advice on whether this is 00:43:50.720 --> 00:43:53.720 something that can we can even do given 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.976 that it's essentially starting to 00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.000 consider moving outside our adopted fees 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:02.216 and charges and policies is you're 00:44:02.240 --> 00:44:03.896 essentially asking us to start doing 00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:05.496 some assessment work that we normally 00:44:05.520 --> 00:44:08.520 charge a fee for in a proponentled 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:10.736 planning 00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:13.760 proposal so if council resolves to do it 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:18.480 um I will see if it is something that we 00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:20.815 can actually do in the way that it's 00:44:20.839 --> 00:44:23.656 framed and report and if we can then we 00:44:23.680 --> 00:44:25.016 will just go and implement it if we 00:44:25.040 --> 00:44:26.696 can't I will then provide a report back 00:44:26.720 --> 00:44:28.295 to council saying here is why we 00:44:28.319 --> 00:44:30.055 couldn't do what you resolved to do if 00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:33.016 that makes sense so si you're asking us 00:44:33.040 --> 00:44:35.016 to go negotiate with a potential 00:44:35.040 --> 00:44:37.456 developer on financial contributions 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.480 towards something which is not common 00:44:40.640 --> 00:44:42.295 all together then I'll leave point four 00:44:42.319 --> 00:44:44.776 1 2 3 and four as they are currently if 00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.800 council's happy to leave those and then 00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:51.079 I'll speak motion mr Mayor I would then 00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.079 respectfully like to move an amendment 00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:58.119 what's your amendment council um 00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:01.960 um just let me find it 00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.079 i said I 00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.079 said oh here I can I can 00:45:17.240 --> 00:45:18.736 post 00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.760 copy in there yeah start a post 00:45:29.319 --> 00:45:32.319 okay so 00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:35.095 um so the mover and the second I guess 00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.575 I'm talking to with this um the reason 00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.599 why I have asked for this to 00:45:42.040 --> 00:45:44.656 replace.4 and include an 00:45:44.680 --> 00:45:47.680 extra.5 is because I think that it is 00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:52.480 fraught going out to industry sorry 00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.256 am I what do you want to read out what 00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:57.416 it actually is yeah yeah yeah so people 00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:59.896 know so that council allocate $20,000 in 00:45:59.920 --> 00:46:02.295 the 2526 budget to complete the scoping 00:46:02.319 --> 00:46:04.456 phase for a planning proposal to amend 00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.016 the RU2 land use table in the Bea Valley 00:46:07.040 --> 00:46:09.416 Local Environmental Plan 2013 to include 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.216 forestry as a land use permitted without 00:46:12.240 --> 00:46:15.240 consent and five that upon completion of 00:46:15.359 --> 00:46:17.176 the scoping study that staff provide a 00:46:17.200 --> 00:46:18.456 report to council for further 00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:19.976 consideration 00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:21.976 um the reason why I'm putting this 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.000 forward um council council 00:46:26.319 --> 00:46:28.856 does it replace 4 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.376 yes it does so that's what I say um 00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:33.736 that's dot.4 and then now you would have 00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:36.760 an extra dot.5 um so there's no 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:40.976 commitment at this point in time 00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:43.815 to to a planning a full planning 00:46:43.839 --> 00:46:46.696 proposal because we don't know what that 00:46:46.720 --> 00:46:48.295 involves i mean it's very very clear 00:46:48.319 --> 00:46:50.456 from the staff's response to the notice 00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:53.480 of motion um and so what this does is 00:46:53.520 --> 00:46:55.656 essentially prioritize this in our 00:46:55.680 --> 00:46:58.680 strategic planning budget um you know 00:46:59.839 --> 00:47:01.335 I mean we already have a budget for that 00:47:01.359 --> 00:47:03.736 we're doing RU4 we're doing um parts of 00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:06.456 um our towns um as well so we would be 00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:09.480 looking at RU2 as an overall um land 00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:12.760 zoning land use zoning and um we would 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.079 be doing that initial work to 00:47:18.839 --> 00:47:21.839 establish a lot of the questions around 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.776 what would go what would be involved in 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:26.936 a planning proposal and I would suggest 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.960 that um you know councils play a role in 00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.079 in forming that um forming that scoping 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.416 phase as Well you know the posing the 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.095 questions that we want answered for that 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:42.119 for that initial preliminary report 00:47:45.520 --> 00:47:47.976 council L I appreciate your sentiment 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:50.856 i'm just a bit cautious i accepted an 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.880 amendment 15 months ago to exactly the 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:56.920 same motion and here we are today that 00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:58.456 said council conduct an internal 00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.176 workshop regarding amending the bigger 00:48:01.200 --> 00:48:03.136 local environment plan 00:48:03.160 --> 00:48:05.736 2013 to make private native forestry 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:07.896 permitted without consent in RU2 zone 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:09.736 rule landscape and also consider 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:11.335 inclusion of resources for planning 00:48:11.359 --> 00:48:14.359 proposal to effect in the 25 operational 00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.016 plan and budget to my knowledge today 00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:19.976 there's no include of wasn't included in 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.776 the 2425 operational plan no workshop 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:25.800 took place so here I am 15 months 00:48:26.040 --> 00:48:28.256 later trying to get the same motion 00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.696 through but because I accepted amendment 00:48:30.720 --> 00:48:33.335 nothing happened and so I'm also 00:48:33.359 --> 00:48:34.936 conscious here that there's no 00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.575 commitment from council to actually 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.376 allow it as a planning proposal to amend 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.400 in a budget scoping phase so if if I may 00:48:44.720 --> 00:48:46.535 though Mr Mayor like I accept that now 00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:47.736 you'll still have to convince me on the 00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:49.095 amendment yeah 00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:51.256 or foreshadow it all or proposal 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:53.896 innovation there was no drive from the 00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.920 in response to that motion um and it 00:48:57.119 --> 00:48:58.696 probably should have been done i would 00:48:58.720 --> 00:49:01.176 put it to you though it was done months 00:49:01.200 --> 00:49:04.200 before an election um and there was a 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:05.976 lot more to worry about at the time but 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:07.976 I think that this is probably exact 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:09.896 point in time in your election cycle 00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:10.936 that you would want to raise something 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.416 like this i'd also say to the counselors 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.335 if they consider voting for this that 00:49:15.359 --> 00:49:18.055 this Mr Mayor is a commitment um if we 00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:19.976 are allocating budget money in the 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:21.815 budget for a scoping phase for a 00:49:21.839 --> 00:49:23.736 planning proposal I'd like to think that 00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:25.896 then you've got enough of a commitment 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.295 that you will see this through um once 00:49:28.319 --> 00:49:30.136 you get the report back from council so 00:49:30.160 --> 00:49:31.656 I I think that this is much more of a 00:49:31.680 --> 00:49:34.680 commitment than just having a workshop 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:37.800 as an amendment are we No well I've got 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:39.815 to decide whether I council and I got to 00:49:39.839 --> 00:49:41.176 decide whether we accept that amendment 00:49:41.200 --> 00:49:44.200 that's where we're up to so I'm still I 00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:47.599 don't 00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:52.559 Would you for move your motion as an 00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:55.496 amendment council instead of asking me 00:49:55.520 --> 00:49:58.520 for an amendment 00:49:59.839 --> 00:50:01.896 so be it i refuse to accept your 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:03.335 amendment then because I'm pretty 00:50:03.359 --> 00:50:05.736 determined on the original motion and I 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:07.575 was determined on it 15 months ago i'm 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:08.776 very disappointed that we've let the 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:11.016 industry down and nothing's happened so 00:50:11.040 --> 00:50:14.040 that's probably my position now so well 00:50:14.319 --> 00:50:15.896 council Allen at the time told me I 00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:17.416 should test the room and I backed off to 00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:19.976 be well if I can get a second to my 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:21.656 amendment 00:50:21.680 --> 00:50:23.656 councelor Noles will the second council 00:50:23.680 --> 00:50:26.295 n you speak to your amended motion which 00:50:26.319 --> 00:50:28.456 is points one two three and your new 00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.535 point four being that council allocate 00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:33.256 20,000 in the 2526 budget to complete 00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:35.256 the scoping phase for a planning 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:37.736 proposal to mend the RU2 land use table 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.376 in the Beaker Valley LEP 2013 to include 00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:43.016 forestry as a land use permitted without 00:50:43.040 --> 00:50:45.656 consent yeah absolutely and I think it 00:50:45.680 --> 00:50:47.496 is it is worth noting to the to the 00:50:47.520 --> 00:50:49.335 newer counselors in the room that this 00:50:49.359 --> 00:50:52.216 it it was passed um in February I 00:50:52.240 --> 00:50:54.776 believe it was last year um as I said by 00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:56.776 the time the staff were starting to look 00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:58.696 at enacting this um it was in the leadup 00:50:58.720 --> 00:51:00.535 to an election it was a bad thing to do 00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:02.216 it's a bad time in the election cycle to 00:51:02.240 --> 00:51:04.055 do it as well because if you are going 00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.079 to if you are just one one border Mr 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:11.656 Mayor um just I read the code of meeting 00:51:11.680 --> 00:51:13.416 practice because we had to do it on the 00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.440 client is this saying that the council 00:51:16.640 --> 00:51:18.616 staff were doing their workflow 00:51:18.640 --> 00:51:20.856 according to 00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:23.880 election priorities no okay it's not 00:51:25.040 --> 00:51:26.856 Let me just clarify what actually 00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.176 happened yeah the CEO can clarify he's 00:51:29.200 --> 00:51:30.616 explained to me what actually so through 00:51:30.640 --> 00:51:32.216 Mr where what actually happened was when 00:51:32.240 --> 00:51:34.216 council resolved what they did there was 00:51:34.240 --> 00:51:37.240 a call out to councilors to ask them for 00:51:37.839 --> 00:51:40.616 the content of the workshop and due to 00:51:40.640 --> 00:51:42.616 the very very limited response we 00:51:42.640 --> 00:51:44.535 weren't able to facilitate that prior to 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:47.016 the election the other key point of 00:51:47.040 --> 00:51:48.936 difference between what councelor Nan is 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:50.376 referring to and what happened last time 00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:53.400 was one was consider budget allocation 00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:55.335 this is allocate they are two very 00:51:55.359 --> 00:51:56.856 different things so in the budget 00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:58.376 preparation last time nothing was 00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:01.400 included this is explicitly saying 00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:05.095 and as part of today's presentation Mr 00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.416 bunning offered this exactly what he 00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:10.440 offered 15 months ago yeah um so if I 00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:13.575 may just get back to that um that I 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:15.496 think that this is the very much the 00:52:15.520 --> 00:52:17.736 right time because like if there is no 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.055 interest from the councilors to pursu to 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.696 pursue this um it is likely because if 00:52:22.720 --> 00:52:24.216 we do pursue this it is likely you will 00:52:24.240 --> 00:52:25.976 also be the ones to determine the 00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:28.136 outcome um of the planning proposal 00:52:28.160 --> 00:52:29.736 should that go ahead should we follow 00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:31.815 that pathway so I think that that's a 00:52:31.839 --> 00:52:33.736 point worth making and I accept the 00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.456 May's um statement with that um the 00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:39.095 reason why I can't support um the 00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:41.496 original motion and the reason why 00:52:41.520 --> 00:52:42.936 I'm moving this amendment which I hope 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:45.960 you hope you'll support um councilors is 00:52:46.160 --> 00:52:49.160 because I I do think that just the it is 00:52:50.319 --> 00:52:52.216 the equivalent of writing a blank check 00:52:52.240 --> 00:52:55.016 um we do not know i mean the the 00:52:55.040 --> 00:52:57.216 estimates here are from 0 to 00:52:57.240 --> 00:52:59.535 $250,000 sorry i 00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:01.815 mean I know I sound like a you know I 00:53:01.839 --> 00:53:02.856 must sound like a penny pitcher 00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:04.815 sometimes in this council but it's it's 00:53:04.839 --> 00:53:07.839 it's just being responsible when we make 00:53:09.040 --> 00:53:10.216 sure if we're going to allocate 00:53:10.240 --> 00:53:12.376 rateayers money we know what we're 00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:14.616 getting for it and we can put it in a 00:53:14.640 --> 00:53:17.640 budget we can see it and um and account 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.535 for it as well so that's the reason why 00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:22.216 I'm I'm I'm sort of putting this forward 00:53:22.240 --> 00:53:24.776 as well in terms of moving forward or 00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:27.800 not even with this um scoping phase i I 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:29.656 think that you'll agree with me when 00:53:29.680 --> 00:53:32.616 when I say that the discussions here 00:53:32.640 --> 00:53:35.016 today um were fascinating and that 00:53:35.040 --> 00:53:38.040 there's a lot of merit um in this um in 00:53:38.160 --> 00:53:40.936 this proposal um it is something it is 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:43.496 and it is worth doing the research to 00:53:43.520 --> 00:53:44.616 make sure that you are making an 00:53:44.640 --> 00:53:47.335 informed decision on this um I've got 00:53:47.359 --> 00:53:50.295 I've got a dozen questions that I've 00:53:50.319 --> 00:53:52.295 already asked staff about this none of 00:53:52.319 --> 00:53:54.616 which can be answered um and they do go 00:53:54.640 --> 00:53:56.936 to the heart of the motion in front of 00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:59.656 us which is about RU2 what other shies 00:53:59.680 --> 00:54:01.496 are doing it what what are we doing in 00:54:01.520 --> 00:54:03.656 RU1 at the moment which is already has 00:54:03.680 --> 00:54:06.680 forestry permitted without consent um 00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:09.896 what's the yield for what what's the 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:12.535 yield like how much RU2 do we have in 00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:14.776 the SH what does that constitute in in 00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:16.856 acres and how many of those acres are 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:19.176 tree what species are we looking at 00:54:19.200 --> 00:54:20.696 what's the timber going to be used for 00:54:20.720 --> 00:54:22.376 there are so many questions I have 00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:25.335 around this And so um so to determine 00:54:25.359 --> 00:54:27.176 whether to go forward and spend the big 00:54:27.200 --> 00:54:28.776 dollars the planning proposals like the 00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:30.696 one we just adopted then the bigger 00:54:30.720 --> 00:54:33.335 urban that costs big dollars and so I 00:54:33.359 --> 00:54:34.936 think that it's it's worth in the short 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.960 term um allocating a a modest amount of 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:41.176 money um to this and I'd also like to 00:54:41.200 --> 00:54:43.376 say that this is not just about 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:46.400 financial gain for some land owners 00:54:47.200 --> 00:54:49.095 it's not just about businesses trading 00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:51.896 in um it's about land management as well 00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:54.776 and the ability of land owners who have 00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:57.800 RU2 um to be able to manage their land 00:54:58.720 --> 00:55:01.720 um effectively and the point was raised 00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:03.656 um earlier I can't remember who the 00:55:03.680 --> 00:55:06.295 speaker was but when it was it was 00:55:06.319 --> 00:55:09.319 questioned why why rateayers should have 00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:13.079 to at least contribute to this review of 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:16.055 the LAP and and he said well didn't we 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:17.815 contribute when we changed it as well 00:55:17.839 --> 00:55:19.736 when we took away those forestry rights 00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.760 from those land owners um which is an 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:25.575 excellent point um this is what we 00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:27.815 actually do at council it is our core 00:55:27.839 --> 00:55:30.376 business among roads water and sewer 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:32.216 Planning is what we do at this council 00:55:32.240 --> 00:55:35.240 and I never really hesitate to to look 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:38.376 at any strategic planning proposal um 00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:40.376 especially one with as much merit in 00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:42.376 it as this one does so I hope you'll 00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:44.656 support the amendment and obviously the 00:55:44.680 --> 00:55:47.575 wider the wider um motion as well 00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:49.976 because I think that this is um you know 00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.775 an important change that or change that 00:55:52.799 --> 00:55:55.799 this chai needs to make thanks C and 00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:59.079 speaker against I'm briefly just okay 00:55:59.839 --> 00:56:02.839 Hager um just yeah generally um the the 00:56:04.160 --> 00:56:06.535 problem I have the bit I have a problem 00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:08.696 is without consent we're giving up 00:56:08.720 --> 00:56:11.176 council control giving up um our own 00:56:11.200 --> 00:56:13.815 control over RU2 land which we currently 00:56:13.839 --> 00:56:16.295 have a lot of that RU2 land as we've 00:56:16.319 --> 00:56:19.095 heard is at the end of um regional roads 00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:20.815 so it's not just the 00:56:20.839 --> 00:56:23.656 $270,000 it's the ongoing damage to 00:56:23.680 --> 00:56:25.656 regional roads that we will have no 00:56:25.680 --> 00:56:28.680 ability to recoup if we give up if we 00:56:29.040 --> 00:56:32.040 follow the without consent so we're 00:56:32.160 --> 00:56:35.160 opening up the council to not just an 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.496 unknown cost for the the upfront but the 00:56:37.520 --> 00:56:39.736 the ongoing cost to roads could be 00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:41.496 monumental and has been monumental in 00:56:41.520 --> 00:56:44.520 other 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:48.976 shed it was that 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:52.000 short surpris 00:56:55.040 --> 00:56:57.496 Thanks look I'll just beely brief 00:56:57.520 --> 00:56:59.335 against it and but half for it because 00:56:59.359 --> 00:57:01.775 everyone knows I'm in favor of it o 00:57:01.799 --> 00:57:03.976 overall council name brought up about 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:04.815 other 00:57:04.839 --> 00:57:07.335 shires other shers and just the ones are 00:57:07.359 --> 00:57:08.856 joining us for instance Eurodalis 00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:10.616 snowing valleys and the snowy Monero 00:57:10.640 --> 00:57:12.616 which was brought up today have no RU2 00:57:12.640 --> 00:57:15.335 zone everything's RU1 so forestry is 00:57:15.359 --> 00:57:16.775 actually allowed right across the board 00:57:16.799 --> 00:57:19.799 in those sh other sh forestry is 00:57:20.799 --> 00:57:22.775 permitted without consent in an RU2 zone 00:57:22.799 --> 00:57:25.799 shaw Haven further up Kempy Naka 00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.880 Clarence Valley Lismore all all permit 00:57:30.160 --> 00:57:32.295 forestry without consent right across 00:57:32.319 --> 00:57:34.295 the board forestry is permitted with 00:57:34.319 --> 00:57:36.856 consent from the local land services in 00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:39.176 Yas Valley Gulbari Upper Lachland 00:57:39.200 --> 00:57:41.656 Windsor Caribbe Cayama Woolingong 00:57:41.680 --> 00:57:44.136 Central Coast Lake McQuary Port Stevens 00:57:44.160 --> 00:57:47.160 Mid Coast Port McQuary Hastings Cosour 00:57:47.520 --> 00:57:50.520 Baliner Byron and Tweet in Bea Valley 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:54.055 Boris is totally prohibited in any RU2 00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:57.079 zone along with two other councils Shell 00:57:57.680 --> 00:58:00.616 Harour and Queen Palarang now I don't 00:58:00.640 --> 00:58:02.775 know how much forestry would be in Shell 00:58:02.799 --> 00:58:04.616 Harbor i haven't seen too much when I've 00:58:04.640 --> 00:58:06.976 driven through it but anyway 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.656 um so they're the stats that you you 00:58:09.680 --> 00:58:12.535 talk about in the Burger Valley our RU2 00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:14.856 zone takes up I think the report that I 00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:16.016 had at the 00:58:16.040 --> 00:58:19.040 last 15 months ago was just on 1% the 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.920 planning proposal that Mr bunting 00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:26.760 provided or had done in draft form took 00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.280 up I think it says 1.3% of our total 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:33.480 forestry area is RU2 land so only 1.3% 00:58:34.799 --> 00:58:37.256 of the SH we're talking about RU2 land 00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:39.095 not all farmers would go ahead and 00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:41.575 actually do it so the amount for people 00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:43.176 to say we're going to clear fill the SH 00:58:43.200 --> 00:58:45.335 it's just a few tactics in my eyes i 00:58:45.359 --> 00:58:46.736 believe farmers are responsible 00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:48.616 environmentalists and the ones I've 00:58:48.640 --> 00:58:50.136 talked to who have contacted me about 00:58:50.160 --> 00:58:52.376 the motion totally support it and want 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.400 to do better around their farm um and so 00:58:55.839 --> 00:58:58.216 while I half support council N's motion 00:58:58.240 --> 00:59:00.376 I get the thing about the budget and 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.856 everything like that for me we've been 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:04.775 here for 15 months and gone nowhere i'm 00:59:04.799 --> 00:59:06.216 worried that we'll be still here in 15 00:59:06.240 --> 00:59:08.295 more months and we'll still go nowhere 00:59:08.319 --> 00:59:09.575 so that's the only reason I don't 00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:11.016 support it and stick to my original 00:59:11.040 --> 00:59:14.040 motion thanks speaker for the motion 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.575 yes I will council Porter and look I 00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:19.656 just want to say that you know um yeah 00:59:19.680 --> 00:59:22.680 15 months ago I um was not happy with 00:59:23.359 --> 00:59:25.736 the motion because um there was no 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:27.176 budget defined and it was clearly going 00:59:27.200 --> 00:59:29.815 to be a big amount of rateayers money um 00:59:29.839 --> 00:59:31.736 and I guess I'm sitting here today with 00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:34.760 the same concern i actually agree that 00:59:34.799 --> 00:59:37.799 the RU2 um forestry should be permitted 00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:41.736 um you know so I agree definitely agree 00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:44.456 with the with the principle and um I've 00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:46.295 had some land owners talk to me that are 00:59:46.319 --> 00:59:49.176 really concerned about the the clearing 00:59:49.200 --> 00:59:51.016 um or not the clearing of the land the 00:59:51.040 --> 00:59:53.055 the the what's the word for it the 00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:56.055 reduction um that that it's too thick 00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:57.656 that it's too bushy that it prevents 00:59:57.680 --> 00:59:59.736 that it provides a hazard and being able 00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:01.896 to deal with that and manage that 01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:04.920 properly so fully in in in 01:00:05.680 --> 01:00:08.295 um in line with that and happy with that 01:00:08.319 --> 01:00:10.136 i just think that if we were going to 01:00:10.160 --> 01:00:13.160 spend 200 or 250,000 of rateayers money 01:00:13.359 --> 01:00:15.656 doing a resoning I'd rather rather 01:00:15.680 --> 01:00:17.656 reszone some Ezone land that could 01:00:17.680 --> 01:00:19.575 actually be turned into housing and 01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:21.575 build a couple of hundred houses would 01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:23.815 be a responsible way for us to be 01:00:23.839 --> 01:00:26.376 spending rateayers money so I I just 01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:28.775 don't think that this this having 01:00:28.799 --> 01:00:31.176 industry involved that it should be 01:00:31.200 --> 01:00:32.775 coming straight out of the rateayers 01:00:32.799 --> 01:00:35.799 pockets so I I I I support um councelor 01:00:37.040 --> 01:00:40.040 Naden's motion um to the extent that 01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:42.856 with a scoping phase we then have the 01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:44.696 ability to say okay it's going to cost 01:00:44.720 --> 01:00:47.176 this much and will the industry what 01:00:47.200 --> 01:00:49.575 will the industry pay or contribute 01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:51.656 to come into that and then get the thing 01:00:51.680 --> 01:00:54.680 done um and get it done without taking 01:00:54.799 --> 01:00:57.176 the money out of the rate payers pockets 01:00:57.200 --> 01:00:59.016 thank you 01:00:59.040 --> 01:01:02.040 speak against 01:01:02.720 --> 01:01:05.095 possible amendment to Mitch's amendment 01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:07.416 um just if he if he would be interested 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:10.440 in dropping the without consent 01:01:16.319 --> 01:01:18.936 council council I know you wish to speak 01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:21.960 okay um 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:24.535 and I and as the Mayor did I'm also 01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:27.335 speaking to the points one two and three 01:01:27.359 --> 01:01:30.359 um we're in the middle of a consultation 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:33.176 with the community about our 4-year plan 01:01:33.200 --> 01:01:35.376 and our one-year delivery 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.055 plan there's some really ter you know 01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:41.079 awful tradeoffs we've already made 01:01:41.160 --> 01:01:43.896 to have a manageable budget for the next 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:46.920 couple of years for instance as the um 01:01:47.839 --> 01:01:50.376 CEO and the staff have told us we are 01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:53.256 not spending enough on roads we are 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:56.280 facing a um deterioration of our assets 01:01:57.280 --> 01:01:59.496 over the next four years 01:01:59.520 --> 01:02:02.456 so for all of us as councilors we are 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.055 our job is to set 01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:08.055 priorities so this one 01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:11.079 um on private native forestry seems to 01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:14.136 be so far down the list of priorities 01:02:14.160 --> 01:02:17.160 when we're managing $2 billion worth of 01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:20.055 assets and are facing the trade-offs 01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:22.696 that we have at the moment 01:02:22.720 --> 01:02:24.936 as we know planning proposals can be 01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:27.736 brought by other people and they should 01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:30.760 be in this case i just um think that 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:34.055 councelor Hagar's points about potential 01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:36.616 deterioration to rose just sets off so 01:02:36.640 --> 01:02:39.176 many jarring bells about how we look at 01:02:39.200 --> 01:02:41.456 the development of industry in this 01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:44.480 council um if we increase the reach of 01:02:45.359 --> 01:02:47.256 our forestry ones it's going to be 01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:50.280 long-term costs for us um and we would 01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:53.256 have to look at the benefits that come 01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:56.280 from that in real detail i do not think 01:02:56.319 --> 01:02:58.376 this is the right time to do that when 01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:00.976 we are already facing some terrible 01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:03.335 decisions about not maintaining our 01:03:03.359 --> 01:03:06.359 roads at this stage and furthermore 01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.335 um as I said earlier today I'm involved 01:03:09.359 --> 01:03:11.095 in the affordable housing one been 01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:12.456 looking at some of the strategic 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:15.095 planning changes that we are um 01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.656 desperately seeking funds from the state 01:03:17.680 --> 01:03:20.535 to keep up with um there is so much 01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:22.456 going on in our coastal towns for future 01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:24.936 development that I'm really upset that 01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:27.256 we can't do more about setting up master 01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:29.015 plans of actually doing the again the 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.656 job that we are elected to as councilors 01:03:31.680 --> 01:03:33.416 of looking after the planning system to 01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:35.656 make sure housing is in the right place 01:03:35.680 --> 01:03:38.680 um that the um in industrial areas that 01:03:38.720 --> 01:03:39.815 I know the Mayor is passionately 01:03:39.839 --> 01:03:42.055 committed to developing can go ahead we 01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:43.815 need more money for strategic planning 01:03:43.839 --> 01:03:46.376 yes to do the tasks that we have already 01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:49.400 set ourselves we don't have enough so I 01:03:49.680 --> 01:03:52.680 think that points one two and three just 01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:55.335 we should not be considering them in the 01:03:55.359 --> 01:03:58.359 leadup to our 25 26 budget maybe some 01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.559 future time if the sentiment's there but 01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.416 I think that also should be part of the 01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:07.656 much broader consideration of the future 01:04:07.680 --> 01:04:10.136 of the forestry industry in the state we 01:04:10.160 --> 01:04:12.136 know it's under review we know that 01:04:12.160 --> 01:04:14.535 there's a lot of change happening i 01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:16.856 don't see that we can do points one two 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:19.880 and three or even councelor Naden's 01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:22.856 new point without actually plugging into 01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:24.936 what's happening at state level i mean 01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:26.376 for instance we know Victoria's now 01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:28.535 banned native forest logging somewhat 01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:30.856 controversially on how they've done it 01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:32.856 there are just so many factors floating 01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:35.256 around and I don't think a small scoping 01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:37.176 study is really going to help our 01:04:37.200 --> 01:04:40.055 council staff get on top of that and 01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:42.616 their 2526 budget in fact I'd be 01:04:42.640 --> 01:04:44.295 remarkably surprised if we can even 01:04:44.319 --> 01:04:47.319 deliver everything in the 2526 budget 01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:49.416 that we are considering at the moment 01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:51.815 it's going to be such a hard job for our 01:04:51.839 --> 01:04:53.736 leadership to bring home some of those 01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:56.760 projects so I would say why don't we to 01:04:57.200 --> 01:04:59.496 use another terrible cliche stick to our 01:04:59.520 --> 01:05:02.520 knitting at this stage and get on with 01:05:02.799 --> 01:05:05.176 getting the 25 26 budget in workable 01:05:05.200 --> 01:05:08.200 shape um and perhaps the people who are 01:05:09.200 --> 01:05:11.815 involved and want to do more private 01:05:11.839 --> 01:05:13.575 native forestry should be involved in 01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:15.496 lobbying state governments about the 01:05:15.520 --> 01:05:17.815 overall shape of our industry and what 01:05:17.839 --> 01:05:19.335 does happen to that chipmill that we've 01:05:19.359 --> 01:05:20.856 got still hanging around the bigger 01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:22.936 valley which I noticed in today's public 01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:25.095 forum not even the industry people seem 01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:27.335 to be particularly keen on so there's a 01:05:27.359 --> 01:05:30.359 lot of change coming in this area 01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:34.079 um scoping studies can be useful in some 01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:36.136 circumstances 01:05:36.160 --> 01:05:37.976 But I think given what I feel about 01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:40.216 what's happening with forestry overall 01:05:40.240 --> 01:05:42.216 in this case they would it would not be 01:05:42.240 --> 01:05:43.535 useful it would 01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:46.559 be not a distraction but just simply not 01:05:46.799 --> 01:05:48.936 sticking true to what we owe the people 01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:51.176 of bigger valley which is to get on with 01:05:51.200 --> 01:05:53.015 looking after our $2 billion of assets 01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:56.039 as they are now thanks speaker for the 01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:00.456 motion the speaker for the motion 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:03.335 speaker against the motion council you 01:06:03.359 --> 01:06:06.359 reply um yeah I will um it's just these 01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:10.936 forecasts of you know our roads being 01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:13.960 ripped out by we already have permit 01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:16.696 forestry permitted without consent in 01:06:16.720 --> 01:06:18.136 this shot we already have it it's just 01:06:18.160 --> 01:06:21.160 on RU1 it's not on RU2 yet so it's like 01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:24.456 it's not an unknown here i mean there 01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:26.856 are a lot of unknowns around the 01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:29.256 questions that I asked earlier but we're 01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:31.335 we're familiar with the process we're 01:06:31.359 --> 01:06:33.656 familiar with LLS we're familiar with 01:06:33.680 --> 01:06:35.015 you know that interaction with state 01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:37.416 government as well so I'm I'm not sure 01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:40.055 where that comes from um you know we 01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:42.696 talk about the housing affordability 01:06:42.720 --> 01:06:44.775 well it's not just land as we talked 01:06:44.799 --> 01:06:47.656 about during the bigger urban land 01:06:47.680 --> 01:06:49.896 release planning um proposal it's 01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:51.416 actually about the cost of building a 01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:53.575 house as well the one that we don't have 01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.456 at the moment is building materials um 01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:58.136 because we're too busy importing 01:06:58.160 --> 01:06:59.976 materials from overseas rather than 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:01.656 providing them for ourselves despite the 01:07:01.680 --> 01:07:04.216 fact we only got what 27 million people 01:07:04.240 --> 01:07:05.896 or something in this country and yet and 01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:07.656 it's this big with that much what did he 01:07:07.680 --> 01:07:09.176 say we were like second in the world for 01:07:09.200 --> 01:07:11.015 the amount of forests we have we only 01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:12.775 got 27 million people but we're happy to 01:07:12.799 --> 01:07:15.176 take all this timber um from all these 01:07:15.200 --> 01:07:16.616 countries with hundreds and hundreds of 01:07:16.640 --> 01:07:18.696 millions of people who decimate their 01:07:18.720 --> 01:07:20.535 forest but you know as long as it's not 01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:22.856 in our backyard we don't really care i 01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:24.535 mean how efficient is that we talk about 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:26.696 the circular economy how brilliant would 01:07:26.720 --> 01:07:29.720 it be if we could you know get timber 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:31.815 from our local harvest timber from our 01:07:31.839 --> 01:07:33.896 local forests and use it to build our 01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:35.815 homes here in the Bea Valley Shire 01:07:35.839 --> 01:07:36.936 that's brilliant that's one of the 01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:38.376 things that we learned in architecture 01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:39.976 if you can do that if you can quarry 01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:41.815 your rock if you can quarry your you 01:07:41.839 --> 01:07:43.736 know your local resources and then put 01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:45.496 them into your house that's the best 01:07:45.520 --> 01:07:47.815 outcome not importing from you know 01:07:47.839 --> 01:07:50.535 Indonesia or Italy or wherever that has 01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:53.559 the highest um um carbon 01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:56.616 footprint um so I think that that needs 01:07:56.640 --> 01:07:58.936 to come into consideration as well um 01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:00.936 you know get back to our knitting our 01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:03.960 knitting is planning our knitting is the 01:08:05.799 --> 01:08:08.456 leap um it's what we do it's what we do 01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:10.616 every day and I take your point um 01:08:10.640 --> 01:08:12.295 councelor O'Neal there's a million 01:08:12.319 --> 01:08:13.575 things that I would do and I don't even 01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:15.416 know how to prioritize them as well we 01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:17.976 had a presentation from our strategic 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:21.000 planning expert from council last 01:08:21.719 --> 01:08:23.655 year and went through all these 01:08:23.679 --> 01:08:26.215 priorities it is very hard to pick it is 01:08:26.239 --> 01:08:27.735 very hard to pick but you have one in 01:08:27.759 --> 01:08:30.056 front of you right now um it's not a 01:08:30.080 --> 01:08:32.456 planning proposal it is a scoping study 01:08:32.480 --> 01:08:35.335 it is a modest amount of money um and 01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:38.359 and you know to think that there's no 01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:41.335 wider benefit in the economy as well we 01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:42.856 don't know what that is because we 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:44.695 haven't done the scoping study so I'd 01:08:44.719 --> 01:08:46.135 hate to be making a decision without 01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:48.775 information um but there will be wider 01:08:48.799 --> 01:08:51.175 economic benefits there will be jobs um 01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:53.496 there you know that it will generate 01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:55.735 economic activity and as I said you know 01:08:55.759 --> 01:08:57.335 about housing affordability it might 01:08:57.359 --> 01:08:59.496 have the capacity to to build supply 01:08:59.520 --> 01:09:01.576 into the market for materials brilliant 01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:02.775 that would be brilliant but we don't 01:09:02.799 --> 01:09:03.896 know that because we haven't done the 01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:06.920 scoping study yet so councilors I I you 01:09:07.040 --> 01:09:09.335 know I I think you know last I I just 01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:12.135 end with this and say look it's an 01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:13.976 interesting dynamic that we've got here 01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:15.896 going oh just get industry to pay for it 01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:18.536 well I actually like the idea in this 01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:21.560 instance of of council being the driver 01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.456 of this because then I know I've got an 01:09:24.480 --> 01:09:27.175 independent study i know that I've got 01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:29.735 an assessment done by our staff with a 01:09:29.759 --> 01:09:32.759 consultant um who who isn't coming from 01:09:33.040 --> 01:09:36.040 a political angle be that for or against 01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:38.856 um I've got a scoping study that is 01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:41.815 going to be nice and comprehensive and 01:09:41.839 --> 01:09:44.376 and robust and I can make a good 01:09:44.400 --> 01:09:46.376 decision at this council about whether 01:09:46.400 --> 01:09:48.936 we proceed with a planning proposal i 01:09:48.960 --> 01:09:50.376 can't remember who it was was it 01:09:50.400 --> 01:09:52.295 councelor Porter who said at that point 01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:54.296 in time then if you go to the industry 01:09:54.320 --> 01:09:57.056 and say this is where we stand in 01:09:57.080 --> 01:09:59.496 principle in principle at this council 01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:01.496 do we support going any further with a 01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:02.856 planning proposal if we get our little 01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:05.736 scoping study here and says shouldn't be 01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:08.536 doing that well we should probably 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:10.376 communicate that to industry and we 01:10:10.400 --> 01:10:11.896 won't go any further and they won't blow 01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:14.536 any money but if the scoping study comes 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:16.456 back and is positive and says there's 01:10:16.480 --> 01:10:17.896 all these benefits and answers all the 01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:20.616 questions that we have we send a signal 01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:23.096 to the market we say "Yep go on invest 01:10:23.120 --> 01:10:24.936 in that." This is something that we back 01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:27.576 in principle so look I I'll leave it 01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:30.135 there but I hope I hope that even the 01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:32.856 Mayor and councelor Allen can um can 01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:34.936 back this amendment as well i do believe 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:36.896 it's an improvement on the original 01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:39.920 motion um and and and I believe that 01:10:40.560 --> 01:10:41.655 that's the only way we're going to 01:10:41.679 --> 01:10:44.616 proceed with this so I'll leave it there 01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:46.056 thanks Council Lane to put the motion 01:10:46.080 --> 01:10:47.776 all those in 01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:50.296 favor council Porter Council Allen 01:10:50.320 --> 01:10:52.536 Council Noble Council Fatry Councelor 01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:54.936 Lane Council Dalia those against 01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:57.960 councelor Hager Council No Councel Daly 01:10:58.080 --> 01:11:00.856 the motion's carried thank you so the 01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:03.336 amended motions carried that now becomes 01:11:03.360 --> 01:11:05.655 a motion councilors Council N back to 01:11:05.679 --> 01:11:07.655 you it's your motion now 01:11:07.679 --> 01:11:10.376 wish to speak to it again 01:11:10.400 --> 01:11:12.296 no it's not it's your amendment your 01:11:12.320 --> 01:11:13.736 amendment your amendment becomes the 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:16.760 motion so it's your motion there 01:11:19.040 --> 01:11:20.936 you got to move it again okay i move the 01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:23.960 motion secer Councelor Noble Councelor 01:11:25.040 --> 01:11:28.040 Nen no I'll just I'll just briefly speak 01:11:28.320 --> 01:11:30.376 to it and I want to I want to cover up 01:11:30.400 --> 01:11:33.175 on a couple of I want to cover up on a 01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:34.616 couple of things that I held back on 01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:37.640 before i think in 2002 and councelor 01:11:37.840 --> 01:11:39.576 Alan and I are the only councilors left 01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:42.135 here from 2000 or bit later than that 01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:45.159 when we did the 2013 leap all councilors 01:11:46.080 --> 01:11:48.976 were told everything is like the 01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:51.655 like that was the words out of all our 01:11:51.679 --> 01:11:53.175 planning our general managers at the 01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:55.016 time everything is like for like there's 01:11:55.040 --> 01:11:57.576 no changes of use everything's the same 01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:00.056 at that time in the 2002 and it comes up 01:12:00.080 --> 01:12:01.576 about industry whether industry should 01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:04.135 pay and why we're in this position today 01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:06.056 it's no fault of industry 01:12:06.080 --> 01:12:08.456 So we're in this position today because 01:12:08.480 --> 01:12:11.056 when it was rolled over into the 2013 01:12:11.080 --> 01:12:14.080 LEP farm forestry was taken out of the 01:12:14.480 --> 01:12:17.480 LD was then called um LC or rule three 01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:20.695 which was previously allowed it wasn't 01:12:20.719 --> 01:12:22.776 allowed in RU2 which was rolled over 01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:25.256 into that so we technically took it out 01:12:25.280 --> 01:12:27.096 at the time it was taken out was because 01:12:27.120 --> 01:12:29.816 it came under the native vegetation act 01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:31.655 farm forestry then got handled by the 01:12:31.679 --> 01:12:33.736 native vegetation act which I mentioned 01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:35.816 in things so private native forestry 01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:38.376 then become under all the other services 01:12:38.400 --> 01:12:41.400 under 5B the local land services act up 01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:45.016 until 2017 that's how it was handled so 01:12:45.040 --> 01:12:47.896 our farmers could up until 2017 do 01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:49.576 exactly what we're trying to propose 01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:52.600 today right what changed then was the 01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:55.175 native vegetation act got taken away and 01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:57.096 the provisions of the leap were then 01:12:57.120 --> 01:12:59.016 brought into place now if we had the 01:12:59.040 --> 01:13:01.496 2002 leap we wouldn't had a problem 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:03.655 because the industry and the farmers 01:13:03.679 --> 01:13:04.856 would still be able to have farm 01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:06.695 forestry on their land and we were told 01:13:06.719 --> 01:13:08.536 at the time all the councils were told 01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:10.936 and council back me up on this that it's 01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:13.536 going to be like for like it was only in 01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:16.560 2020 when the native vegetation act went 01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:19.576 away new acts came in that this came in 01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:21.175 that that had to come back to council's 01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:23.655 leap and since then has been brought to 01:13:23.679 --> 01:13:26.296 my attention by several land owners I I 01:13:26.320 --> 01:13:28.296 actually who actually had approval in 01:13:28.320 --> 01:13:30.695 2017 to actually do this and now it's on 01:13:30.719 --> 01:13:33.016 hold five seven years later they still 01:13:33.040 --> 01:13:34.695 can't do it but they had approval in 01:13:34.719 --> 01:13:37.719 2017 because of this council's leap 01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:40.056 that's all I'm trying to change is to 01:13:40.080 --> 01:13:42.695 bring the equ equivalent back to what it 01:13:42.719 --> 01:13:45.719 was for those people previously right 01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:48.376 now if that's the industry fault well 01:13:48.400 --> 01:13:51.400 I'm I'm misreading everything wrong so 01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:53.336 I'll support councelor Niden's motion 01:13:53.360 --> 01:13:56.360 now but I'm still disillusioned why 01:13:56.560 --> 01:13:58.695 everyone says industry should pay to 01:13:58.719 --> 01:14:01.719 change this when industry had no change 01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:04.135 in it at all and no say in the process 01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:06.135 on the way through was this council 01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:08.296 leaving it out of the 2002 conversion of 01:14:08.320 --> 01:14:11.320 the leap to 2013 different changes in 01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:13.416 the acts where private native forestry 01:14:13.440 --> 01:14:16.296 got looked after so no fault of industry 01:14:16.320 --> 01:14:18.695 or farmers at all and farmers should 01:14:18.719 --> 01:14:20.215 have the right to do private native 01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:22.056 forestry on their own farms is my true 01:14:22.080 --> 01:14:24.456 belief thank you councel speaker against 01:14:24.480 --> 01:14:27.480 council non's motion council 01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:31.560 oh um yeah just to I'll be short um you 01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:33.135 don't have to 01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:35.976 be we're a democracy council we don't 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:37.416 have to agree but we can be polite about 01:14:37.440 --> 01:14:40.056 it absolutely m um just a couple of 01:14:40.080 --> 01:14:41.976 points so RU1 there isn't a lot of 01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:44.456 logging on RU1 land because it's cleared 01:14:44.480 --> 01:14:46.536 land it's dairy land so the reason 01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:48.376 there's not logging on RU1 because 01:14:48.400 --> 01:14:50.536 there's not trees there to log which is 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:53.560 why um they're after RU2 land because 01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:56.135 that's where the trees are that they're 01:14:56.159 --> 01:14:59.159 looking for um 01:14:59.360 --> 01:15:02.360 please please repeat it thank you 01:15:05.480 --> 01:15:07.376 um sorry 01:15:07.400 --> 01:15:09.816 um councelor O'Neal made a point about 01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:11.576 the state of the industry and I think 01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:12.856 that's worth remembering that the 01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:15.416 industry is in flux we have a chipmill 01:15:15.440 --> 01:15:17.096 in the valley that even the industry 01:15:17.120 --> 01:15:18.776 wouldn't wouldn't weren't prepared to 01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:20.376 stand up and support today we heard 01:15:20.400 --> 01:15:21.576 speakers from the industry that they 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:23.576 weren't prepared to stand up and support 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:25.976 the chipmill that is a factor in the 01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:27.336 bigger valley when when we're dealing 01:15:27.360 --> 01:15:30.360 with logging um I am keen if we vote if 01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:32.616 I if we vote against this I'm keen to 01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:34.215 have discussions with other councilors 01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:37.016 to bring a proposal for agroforestry so 01:15:37.040 --> 01:15:39.896 that we find a way forward because at 01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:42.695 the moment it's plantation or um native 01:15:42.719 --> 01:15:45.175 forestry and there is an opportunity I 01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:46.616 think for agroforestry and I know that 01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:48.856 there's voices in the room today that 01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:50.616 are keen about are keen to move forward 01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:52.776 on agroforestry but that is really 01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:54.056 difficult to do in the current 01:15:54.080 --> 01:15:56.296 environment i think that will happen in 01:15:56.320 --> 01:15:59.320 time and it needs to be done with proper 01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:01.576 science with proper understanding of the 01:16:01.600 --> 01:16:03.655 ecology and with proper understanding of 01:16:03.679 --> 01:16:05.336 of what we're doing in other words run 01:16:05.360 --> 01:16:07.416 as a proper industry and with proper 01:16:07.440 --> 01:16:09.816 cost to the community which is why I 01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:11.416 have a problem with the without consent 01:16:11.440 --> 01:16:13.976 of the RU2 like I think our community 01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:16.376 should be involved in that so I'm 01:16:16.400 --> 01:16:19.400 loathed to give up um council's consent 01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:21.336 control over this so there is another 01:16:21.360 --> 01:16:24.296 way forward I feel for private for 01:16:24.320 --> 01:16:27.320 private forestry um on um RU2 land with 01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:32.695 council consent when council knows what 01:16:32.719 --> 01:16:35.719 cost they're up for thank you 01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:38.736 thanks speaker 01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:41.760 for speaker for any speaker against 01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:45.736 council um I just want to put again on 01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:48.760 the record that we are facing incredibly 01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:51.880 tough decisions about a 25 26 budget um 01:16:53.040 --> 01:16:54.576 so many trade-offs 01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:57.336 there we know we're not in investing 01:16:57.360 --> 01:17:00.360 enough in our roads so there are a 01:17:00.480 --> 01:17:02.135 million projects that I would like to 01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:04.056 put into our budget things that I think 01:17:04.080 --> 01:17:06.135 should be happening in this SH and that 01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:09.096 I know various groups want too i just 01:17:09.120 --> 01:17:11.416 don't think that this one is the one 01:17:11.440 --> 01:17:14.440 that we really need to put ahead of all 01:17:14.480 --> 01:17:17.480 others at this stage thanks any speaker 01:17:18.440 --> 01:17:20.856 for other speaker councelor Nen your 01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:23.175 honor reply no reply put the motion all 01:17:23.199 --> 01:17:25.496 those in favor council Porter Council 01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:27.496 Allen Council Noel Council Pispatrick 01:17:27.520 --> 01:17:29.256 Councelor Nen Council Daly are those 01:17:29.280 --> 01:17:32.280 against councelor Hager Councelor O'Neal 01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:35.376 the motions 01:17:35.400 --> 01:17:38.400 carry where are we back to item 8.2 fire 01:17:38.800 --> 01:17:41.016 safety inspection reports council we 01:17:41.040 --> 01:17:42.215 have the report and the confidential 01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:44.776 attachment i know we can't mention the 01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:47.016 the confidential attachment altogether 01:17:47.040 --> 01:17:50.040 my only question to the director is is 01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:52.056 there a liability on council that we 01:17:52.080 --> 01:17:53.496 know those properties and we don't do 01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:55.655 anything I guess or we what's the next 01:17:55.679 --> 01:17:58.679 step for those properties 01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:01.800 mr may um our next step will so the the 01:18:03.360 --> 01:18:05.096 advice and the recommendations from Fire 01:18:05.120 --> 01:18:07.175 and Rescue New South Wales contain a 01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:09.096 number of items specific items that they 01:18:09.120 --> 01:18:10.376 think need to be addressed at each 01:18:10.400 --> 01:18:13.336 property um we can and will raise those 01:18:13.360 --> 01:18:16.360 with the property owners um 01:18:17.320 --> 01:18:19.976 the I guess the challenge we have is 01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:21.976 that there is what I would call a caveat 01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:23.976 in their letters that say there may be 01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:26.456 other issues you might like to think 01:18:26.480 --> 01:18:28.856 about that and make your own assessment 01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:30.456 um that is something that we need to 01:18:30.480 --> 01:18:32.536 consider more fully and to look at how 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:34.376 if and how we can do that with what 01:18:34.400 --> 01:18:36.616 resourcing um it is some specialist 01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:38.215 skills required to be able to do that 01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:41.239 work um I would say and um I think it's 01:18:43.040 --> 01:18:44.695 in the report fire Rescue New South 01:18:44.719 --> 01:18:46.456 Wales is actually empowered under the 01:18:46.480 --> 01:18:48.215 EPA act the Environmental Planning 01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:49.816 Assessment Act to issue orders 01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:51.976 themselves they are choosing to put that 01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:54.376 onto us instead and they are making us 01:18:54.400 --> 01:18:56.936 responsible for that 01:18:56.960 --> 01:18:58.616 so it's another cost shifting exercise 01:18:58.640 --> 01:19:01.640 in other words you Mr Mayor that is my 01:19:02.320 --> 01:19:03.816 perspective yes cost shifting and 01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:06.776 responsibility shifting 01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:09.056 council any further questions on the 01:19:09.080 --> 01:19:11.496 report the recommendation is that we 01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:12.616 note the report and associated 01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:15.175 attachments someone move that council 01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:17.016 second councelor Hager all those in 01:19:17.040 --> 01:19:20.040 favor carried staff reports asset and 01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:22.856 operations request for tender Upper 01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:25.816 Brago Road Design and construct 01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:27.056 retaining 01:19:27.080 --> 01:19:29.416 structure council you have under 01:19:29.440 --> 01:19:31.336 confidential council Nen questions um 01:19:31.360 --> 01:19:33.096 yes Mr Mayor I would like to actually 01:19:33.120 --> 01:19:34.416 move that we 01:19:34.440 --> 01:19:37.440 um move this report into confidential 01:19:40.719 --> 01:19:43.719 for what reasons yep that's fine 01:19:44.080 --> 01:19:46.376 because it deals I will be I wanted to 01:19:46.400 --> 01:19:48.296 ask some a lot of clarifying 01:19:48.320 --> 01:19:51.320 questions around the matrix 01:19:52.360 --> 01:19:55.360 um which makes a recommendation for the 01:19:57.440 --> 01:19:59.496 winning tenderer um I want to talk about 01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:02.520 the costs as well and so that all 01:20:02.719 --> 01:20:04.456 should be debated in confidential 01:20:04.480 --> 01:20:06.215 because it mentions business and 01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:09.239 commercial in confidence 01:20:09.360 --> 01:20:12.135 second 01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:15.159 councelor Hager all those in 01:20:15.400 --> 01:20:18.056 favor council border councelor Hager 01:20:18.080 --> 01:20:20.695 councelor Noble councelor O'Neal 01:20:20.719 --> 01:20:22.856 councelor Len councelor LA councelor 01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:25.256 Daly those against councelor Allen 01:20:25.280 --> 01:20:26.576 councelor 01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:29.016 Fitzpatrick we'll do it in close session 01:20:29.040 --> 01:20:32.040 later on council of 01:20:38.040 --> 01:20:41.040 N item 9.2 appointment the volunteer 01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:43.655 representatives to the central waste 01:20:43.679 --> 01:20:46.135 facility committee council we have a 01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:47.976 recommendation we had a report as well 01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:51.000 later report or email from the CEO or 01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:54.456 director around that council n 01:20:54.480 --> 01:20:55.655 yeah Mr 01:20:55.679 --> 01:20:57.655 i'd like to move this as well i'm just 01:20:57.679 --> 01:21:00.016 trying to in the 01:21:00.040 --> 01:21:02.616 report an email was received it says 01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:05.640 here after the closure of the EOI period 01:21:05.679 --> 01:21:07.336 from a former committee member who 01:21:07.360 --> 01:21:09.816 stated they could not access the link to 01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:11.576 register noting it had already expired 01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:12.856 but it was implied that they were 01:21:12.880 --> 01:21:14.936 interested in renominating i don't know 01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:17.896 if I that needs to go into confidential 01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:19.976 or anything but I'm happy to move it and 01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:22.936 move that we reappoint in addition to 01:21:22.960 --> 01:21:25.175 the council's recommendation here for 01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:27.256 Steven McGra David Luck and Chris Sher 01:21:27.280 --> 01:21:29.896 that you identify and appoint um the 01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:32.695 person mentioned in this EOI 01:21:32.719 --> 01:21:35.719 mr s would you like to respond to that 01:21:36.080 --> 01:21:37.576 yeah three Mr Mayor if that's something 01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:40.376 that council wants to do then I need to 01:21:40.400 --> 01:21:41.896 check we may need to update the terms of 01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:43.416 reference 01:21:43.440 --> 01:21:46.215 um community member to that because it 01:21:46.239 --> 01:21:48.215 it did specify three but if you want to 01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:49.655 add another we can update the terms of 01:21:49.679 --> 01:21:52.679 reference so what I'd suggest is that um 01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:55.976 to address what you were saying there 01:21:56.000 --> 01:21:59.000 councelor Nen that we um add another 01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:02.199 name to the bottom which is Ben Hobble 01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:04.056 there's no reason we can't say that and 01:22:04.080 --> 01:22:06.615 then have another dot point that says 01:22:06.639 --> 01:22:08.856 update the terms of reference to reflect 01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:10.776 the inclusion of an additional community 01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:12.056 member 01:22:12.080 --> 01:22:15.080 that's fine mr ceo please ask questions 01:22:15.199 --> 01:22:18.199 around that on other when we've had late 01:22:18.639 --> 01:22:20.215 representation previously for other 01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:21.736 committees have we allowed those people 01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:24.760 to join those committees i just may have 01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:27.896 to I would have to definitely have to 01:22:27.920 --> 01:22:30.536 take that on notice um as to what we've 01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:31.736 historically done with different 01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:33.416 committees and advisory groups but I 01:22:33.440 --> 01:22:34.695 have no problem with it but I just don't 01:22:34.719 --> 01:22:36.376 want to yeah it's always if we've 01:22:36.400 --> 01:22:38.296 knocked people back previously for the 01:22:38.320 --> 01:22:40.695 same reason yeah and the other I guess 01:22:40.719 --> 01:22:43.016 the other key point is um has probably 01:22:43.040 --> 01:22:44.536 the more pertinent point has council 01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:46.056 varied its terms of reference to 01:22:46.080 --> 01:22:48.056 accommodate an individual is probably 01:22:48.080 --> 01:22:49.416 the more pertinent question but we can 01:22:49.440 --> 01:22:51.016 I'd have to take that on notice i don't 01:22:51.040 --> 01:22:53.576 know that answer yet there is an option 01:22:53.600 --> 01:22:56.600 um if council is concerned about setting 01:22:56.800 --> 01:22:59.336 a precedent to for now adopt those three 01:22:59.360 --> 01:23:01.856 and ask us to bring back a report 01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:03.816 clarifying whether this is something 01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:05.016 that we've previously done but I mean 01:23:05.040 --> 01:23:07.655 that's up to you 01:23:07.679 --> 01:23:09.416 um no thank you Mr sarah i'm happy to 01:23:09.440 --> 01:23:11.256 proceed with the motion as you said it 01:23:11.280 --> 01:23:12.856 before 01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:15.096 let me just add Ben Helman and a report 01:23:15.120 --> 01:23:17.336 back a report to change the terms of 01:23:17.360 --> 01:23:19.896 reference don't need a report amend the 01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:22.376 terms of reference 01:23:22.400 --> 01:23:25.400 councilman Dalia thank you um I just 01:23:25.679 --> 01:23:27.416 asking for clarification in case I'm 01:23:27.440 --> 01:23:29.416 remembering this wrong but I thought one 01:23:29.440 --> 01:23:32.440 of the issues here was the 2-year term 01:23:33.040 --> 01:23:36.040 for um members of the committee and um 01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:39.096 I'm wondering if the terms of reference 01:23:39.120 --> 01:23:42.120 have been changed to accommodate that or 01:23:44.400 --> 01:23:47.215 three Mr may the answer is that 01:23:47.239 --> 01:23:50.239 um no and that's part of that last point 01:23:50.320 --> 01:23:51.736 is we'd have to update the terms of 01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:53.655 reference now if we're going to do this 01:23:53.679 --> 01:23:55.576 and it would reflect that no longer is 01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:57.976 that a consideration the rotation thing 01:23:58.000 --> 01:23:59.496 and that you're going to add more than 01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:00.695 what you've previously said was 01:24:00.719 --> 01:24:02.816 acceptable 01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:05.840 um so all of the names listed on there 01:24:07.120 --> 01:24:08.695 are people who haven't been on there 01:24:08.719 --> 01:24:10.296 before on the committee before they're 01:24:10.320 --> 01:24:13.320 all new members okay three yeah three 01:24:16.400 --> 01:24:19.400 council name your motion is that the 01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:21.336 council appoint the following volunteers 01:24:21.360 --> 01:24:24.296 being the four and amend our terms of 01:24:24.320 --> 01:24:27.320 reference for the consultative committee 01:24:30.040 --> 01:24:33.040 second council noble council n your 01:24:34.280 --> 01:24:36.816 motion don't wish to speak to it speak 01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:39.776 against the notice motion all those in 01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:42.736 favor carried 01:24:42.760 --> 01:24:45.760 unanimously staff reports 10.1 volunteer 01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:49.920 representations whole list there 01:24:53.400 --> 01:24:55.655 counselors like to move actually I'm 01:24:55.679 --> 01:24:58.175 just going to ask a question 01:24:58.199 --> 01:25:01.199 Um and I looked at this and just thought 01:25:03.120 --> 01:25:04.456 you know of all the stuff about women's 01:25:04.480 --> 01:25:06.456 leadership in the room can we get some 01:25:06.480 --> 01:25:08.936 more BS on these committees no no i was 01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:10.615 just looking at exactly the same thing 01:25:10.639 --> 01:25:12.856 and I just wondered whether you'd 01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:15.880 noticed this as a calling for volunteers 01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:23.760 chelsea Jay Rosemary Nikki Jody Sarah 01:25:24.639 --> 01:25:27.639 Shel 01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:30.056 I can say something i can actually just 01:25:30.080 --> 01:25:31.896 say that it's just the way some of our 01:25:31.920 --> 01:25:33.416 sporting clubs and associated bodies 01:25:33.440 --> 01:25:35.016 getting run as dominated by women and 01:25:35.040 --> 01:25:36.615 it's great that they're coming forward i 01:25:36.639 --> 01:25:39.639 don't like a few can we go we had the 01:25:39.679 --> 01:25:41.496 volunteer expo i actually step out of 01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:42.856 roles and let women take them on because 01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:44.936 they're quite competent let them go so I 01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:46.536 actually compliment it it's great 01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:49.560 outcome thank you 01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:52.016 mover 01:25:52.040 --> 01:25:55.016 council councelor O'Neal councelor Niden 01:25:55.040 --> 01:25:58.040 all those in favor carried unanimously 01:25:58.320 --> 01:26:01.096 item 10.2 proposed boundary adjustment 01:26:01.120 --> 01:26:03.416 any explanation required councilors it's 01:26:03.440 --> 01:26:06.440 a very small piece of land very council 01:26:07.000 --> 01:26:09.736 ny any questions no council len council 01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:11.936 porter move and seconded all those in 01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:14.016 favor carried 01:26:14.040 --> 01:26:16.816 unanimously proposed communications 01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:19.840 please council support happy to move 01:26:21.080 --> 01:26:24.080 council seconded you wish to speak to it 01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:26.536 very very quickly I just want to thank 01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:28.856 staff for working on this um and thank 01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:31.576 counselors for the last motion you know 01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:33.496 in October I think we thought it was a 01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:35.096 cell phone tower and it whizzed through 01:26:35.120 --> 01:26:37.096 then we realized it was more than that 01:26:37.120 --> 01:26:40.120 and and um and the community had 01:26:40.400 --> 01:26:43.400 concerns and by through staff's work and 01:26:43.440 --> 01:26:45.175 the council's decisions we've come to a 01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:48.175 really great outcome thank you 01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:51.199 thanks all those in 01:26:52.199 --> 01:26:55.016 favor update on legal matters council 01:26:55.040 --> 01:26:57.336 reports attached probably not too much 01:26:57.360 --> 01:26:59.336 we can ask in a public forum on legal 01:26:59.360 --> 01:27:02.360 matters apart from that report council 01:27:02.639 --> 01:27:04.856 council lane and councelor O'Neal you 01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:07.576 have a question or um look I'll speak to 01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:09.175 it if you don't want to go I'm just 01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:10.536 saying isn't it great getting these 01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:12.695 regular reports through too it's a a 01:27:12.719 --> 01:27:15.256 good way to manage um so that councilors 01:27:15.280 --> 01:27:18.280 are informed thanks council all those in 01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:21.840 favor carried unanimously 10.5 policy 01:27:22.719 --> 01:27:25.719 reviews 01:27:26.080 --> 01:27:29.080 have a in teams I have an additional 01:27:29.440 --> 01:27:32.440 dot point to 01:27:33.320 --> 01:27:36.135 add just yeah so through Mr Mayor just 01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:38.135 to read it out at the bottom it would 01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:40.135 say that council review and workshop the 01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:42.336 underlying procedure 01:27:42.360 --> 01:27:44.936 4.04.07 dangerous and medicine dog 01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:47.175 declaration appeals and revocation so 01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:48.695 that's a procedure that sits under one 01:27:48.719 --> 01:27:50.655 of these policies thanks 01:27:50.679 --> 01:27:53.496 council council have moved those no no 01:27:53.520 --> 01:27:55.976 I've got a question question council um 01:27:56.000 --> 01:27:58.695 it is on the trees and vegetation on 01:27:58.719 --> 01:28:01.719 council managed land in urban areas 3.13 01:28:03.080 --> 01:28:05.976 um this one is still balancing risk of 01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.056 dangerous trees with some statements 01:28:08.080 --> 01:28:09.976 about how we need more trees in urban 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.135 areas so I just wondered are there is is 01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:14.776 there any other thinking in council on 01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:17.175 what we do about shade in urban areas 01:28:17.199 --> 01:28:19.096 that would lead to further revisions of 01:28:19.120 --> 01:28:22.120 this policy in the next couple of years 01:28:24.400 --> 01:28:27.400 we have a policy on 01:28:34.440 --> 01:28:37.440 sh Mr may the it is a bit of a 01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:39.655 challenging one where there sort of 01:28:39.679 --> 01:28:42.056 competing priorities but we are um doing 01:28:42.080 --> 01:28:43.496 work at the moment that's why I was 01:28:43.520 --> 01:28:45.256 looking at the director I'm not exactly 01:28:45.280 --> 01:28:46.856 sure we're up to we are doing work at 01:28:46.880 --> 01:28:49.880 the moment on looking at um urban 01:28:50.199 --> 01:28:53.199 shading in as a sort of heat mitigation 01:28:55.520 --> 01:28:57.096 measure and aesthetics measure as well 01:28:57.120 --> 01:28:58.615 I'm just not quite sure off the top of 01:28:58.639 --> 01:29:00.056 my head where we're up to with that it's 01:29:00.080 --> 01:29:01.896 it's an action we've had in our delivery 01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:04.920 program though um well that's great I'm 01:29:05.120 --> 01:29:07.056 absolutely be happy to move the motion 01:29:07.080 --> 01:29:09.416 then council port has already moved it 01:29:09.440 --> 01:29:10.736 council 01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:13.760 port second it further questions put the 01:29:14.320 --> 01:29:17.320 motion all those in favor unanimously 01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:19.856 certificate of investments April 01:29:19.880 --> 01:29:22.880 councilors questions 01:29:23.239 --> 01:29:26.239 counselors certificate of investments 01:29:28.480 --> 01:29:30.536 um I know we've had a minuscule 01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:33.560 reduction in risk rates we're going to 01:29:33.920 --> 01:29:36.920 change our estimates That's income res 01:29:37.040 --> 01:29:38.376 but I don't mean that very seriously we 01:29:38.400 --> 01:29:40.536 do it we do it quarterly in a re anyway 01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:43.560 so we didn't increase them up again yeah 01:29:47.480 --> 01:29:50.480 no council any questions 01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:57.175 i just one for Miss Bolton our target 01:29:57.199 --> 01:29:59.695 for the 30th of June was a lot less than 01:29:59.719 --> 01:30:02.719 $147 million in reserves 01:30:03.679 --> 01:30:05.896 how and I suppose it'll come to Mr far 01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:07.175 and where we're up to on capital 01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:08.936 projects as to how much of that money 01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:11.416 will come out prior to the 30th of June 01:30:11.440 --> 01:30:14.056 I guess and I think our target for the 01:30:14.080 --> 01:30:17.080 30th of June was 67 million in cap in 01:30:18.280 --> 01:30:20.896 investments in um 01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:23.736 reserves was one of the budgets or it 01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:25.896 was between 60 and 80 million anyway it 01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:28.920 was a lot less than 147 from my memory 01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:31.096 of the last quarterly I'm trying to go 01:30:31.120 --> 01:30:32.856 back to in my head of the last quarterly 01:30:32.880 --> 01:30:35.880 budget 01:30:37.360 --> 01:30:39.016 How much capital works have we got to 01:30:39.040 --> 01:30:41.576 come out of that 47 i guess Mr Mayor I 01:30:41.600 --> 01:30:42.776 don't believe anyone in this room can 01:30:42.800 --> 01:30:44.215 answer that off the top of our head 01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:45.576 we'll have to take that on notice if you 01:30:45.600 --> 01:30:48.536 would like that answer thanks i just 01:30:48.560 --> 01:30:50.936 know it won't be 147 million 30th of 01:30:50.960 --> 01:30:53.256 June 01:30:53.280 --> 01:30:56.056 mover council Allen councel all those in 01:30:56.080 --> 01:30:58.175 favor carried 01:30:58.199 --> 01:31:00.776 nously inquiry into the ability of local 01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:02.615 government to fund infrastructure we 01:31:02.639 --> 01:31:04.376 have a recommendation there which I'll 01:31:04.400 --> 01:31:07.400 speak to if no one wants to second it 01:31:08.080 --> 01:31:11.080 i'll move it now 01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:14.456 slow so I'll just move this and I'll 01:31:14.480 --> 01:31:17.016 state my personal opinion i'm very 01:31:17.040 --> 01:31:19.016 disappointed in the outcome the CEO and 01:31:19.040 --> 01:31:22.040 I spoke at length about it when it first 01:31:22.239 --> 01:31:25.239 come out um it's a another kick down the 01:31:25.760 --> 01:31:28.760 road in my eyes with another review um 01:31:29.760 --> 01:31:32.135 with no definite action so it'll be 01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:33.576 interesting to see and our questions 01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:35.655 have always been is when's the next 01:31:35.679 --> 01:31:38.679 review what's it going to do since 01:31:39.320 --> 01:31:41.655 2008 there's been something like 30 01:31:41.679 --> 01:31:43.615 reviews of sustainability of local 01:31:43.639 --> 01:31:46.639 government not one has come up with a 01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:48.695 outcome that I could say in the long 01:31:48.719 --> 01:31:51.719 term has helped local government um I 01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:54.056 appreciate Mr hig's work on this i 01:31:54.080 --> 01:31:56.456 really do i think he gets it i think 01:31:56.480 --> 01:31:58.215 he's been very supportive right across 01:31:58.239 --> 01:32:00.536 country Mayors and everything else and 01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:02.695 to listen to our inquiries and actually 01:32:02.719 --> 01:32:05.416 look at the figures i think the new 01:32:05.440 --> 01:32:07.496 grants commission will be beneficial for 01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:09.096 rural and regional councils or I'm 01:32:09.120 --> 01:32:11.816 hoping they are probably putting a lot 01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:13.816 more faith in the committee than other 01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:16.296 people but I think they'll be very 01:32:16.320 --> 01:32:18.135 beneficial and that might start 01:32:18.159 --> 01:32:19.976 attacking the [ __ ] grants and what 01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:21.576 should come to regional councils and 01:32:21.600 --> 01:32:23.496 actually get us some response but 01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:25.976 overall I was disappointed in it and um 01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:28.615 I guess that's expressed there in the in 01:32:28.639 --> 01:32:30.215 the comments and the recommendations for 01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:31.615 this 01:32:31.639 --> 01:32:33.936 report council was happy have other 01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:36.960 opinions council yes I read it and 01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:40.520 thought listen good stuff and there but 01:32:42.080 --> 01:32:45.080 yes it doesn't go to the heart of facing 01:32:45.600 --> 01:32:47.976 us and other regional councils in New 01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:51.000 South Wales um so I noted point four 01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:53.576 support beer valley kashire council 01:32:53.600 --> 01:32:56.056 staff in participating in an export 01:32:56.080 --> 01:32:58.776 advisory panel and just like to say I 01:32:58.800 --> 01:33:01.655 was really pleased to see that um I 01:33:01.679 --> 01:33:03.336 think we've done some good work on the 01:33:03.360 --> 01:33:05.576 policy in this area and I don't regard 01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:07.816 it as advocacy it is policymaking work 01:33:07.840 --> 01:33:09.655 because we are the experts on how the 01:33:09.679 --> 01:33:12.679 policy actually gets implemented come up 01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:14.215 with some good ideas on what could 01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:16.936 happen next um the other thing I wanted 01:33:16.960 --> 01:33:19.296 to say is 01:33:19.320 --> 01:33:22.320 um the um member for Eden Monero is of 01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:25.816 course the minister for local government 01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:28.840 territories and emergency management um 01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:30.615 it looks to me a little bit like the 01:33:30.639 --> 01:33:32.695 state of New South Wales will be relying 01:33:32.719 --> 01:33:34.456 on the federal government to get real 01:33:34.480 --> 01:33:36.936 change in this area which is ironic 01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:38.456 considering that local government is 01:33:38.480 --> 01:33:39.655 actually operating under state 01:33:39.679 --> 01:33:42.679 constitutions but there it sits um and 01:33:42.960 --> 01:33:45.960 that while we go through participating 01:33:46.159 --> 01:33:48.615 in the expert advisory panel and any 01:33:48.639 --> 01:33:51.336 other forum we can find including the 01:33:51.360 --> 01:33:53.416 national local government council in CRA 01:33:53.440 --> 01:33:56.440 in early June um that we need to really 01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:01.736 think about how we can use our 01:34:01.760 --> 01:34:04.760 minister's um position in um 01:34:05.280 --> 01:34:07.016 administering the results of the Culvin 01:34:07.040 --> 01:34:09.416 report into disaster relief and her new 01:34:09.440 --> 01:34:11.816 role in emergency management 01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:14.056 um because they impinge so much on the 01:34:14.080 --> 01:34:17.080 work of regional local government and 01:34:17.120 --> 01:34:19.736 I'm thinking in particular we have a 01:34:19.760 --> 01:34:21.896 declared um climate emergency in this 01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:24.920 local government in this um area um 01:34:26.280 --> 01:34:28.456 preparing for the impact of future 01:34:28.480 --> 01:34:30.936 disasters and the overall upward level 01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:33.960 of cost to keep um operating in areas 01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:37.960 impacted by um major weather disaster 01:34:38.800 --> 01:34:40.695 type events is going to be really hard 01:34:40.719 --> 01:34:42.215 so I'm really glad we've got all those 01:34:42.239 --> 01:34:45.239 portfolios together and I as I'm sure 01:34:45.440 --> 01:34:47.896 all nine of us will be out there um 01:34:47.920 --> 01:34:49.336 coming up with practical solutions to 01:34:49.360 --> 01:34:52.135 the problems of local government 01:34:52.159 --> 01:34:54.215 any other speakers put the 01:34:54.239 --> 01:34:56.695 recommendation all those in favor 01:34:56.719 --> 01:34:59.719 carried unanimously item 10.8 actions 01:35:00.239 --> 01:35:03.239 and resolutions for council progress 01:35:04.679 --> 01:35:07.679 report questions councils 01:35:13.280 --> 01:35:15.175 no questions council someone like to 01:35:15.199 --> 01:35:17.376 move the update 01:35:17.400 --> 01:35:20.400 report no questions council Medalia 01:35:21.880 --> 01:35:24.880 second council Noble all those in favor 01:35:25.920 --> 01:35:27.215 carried 01:35:27.239 --> 01:35:30.239 unanimously 10.9 extension of tenure 01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:33.920 LS07 at airport mr c you just want to 01:35:34.400 --> 01:35:36.296 explain to some of the new counselors 01:35:36.320 --> 01:35:39.320 what LS07 is 01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:42.615 through Mr Mayor this um this report 01:35:42.639 --> 01:35:44.695 actually follows on from a previous 01:35:44.719 --> 01:35:47.719 report that delegated me to go off and 01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:50.695 sort of facilitate this this is now the 01:35:50.719 --> 01:35:52.376 response that has come back there are 01:35:52.400 --> 01:35:53.736 some changes that we're going to need to 01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:55.096 make to tenure arrangements to 01:35:55.120 --> 01:35:58.120 facilitate this like the extension of 01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:01.256 tenures for sort of short periods of 01:36:01.280 --> 01:36:03.695 time and just for 01:36:03.719 --> 01:36:05.576 clarification because this could be a 01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:07.256 question that comes up there are some 01:36:07.280 --> 01:36:10.056 proposed works sorry some plan works 01:36:10.080 --> 01:36:12.776 that are just commencing now at the 01:36:12.800 --> 01:36:14.856 airport in the vicinity of this area and 01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:16.695 we have taken into consideration those 01:36:16.719 --> 01:36:18.536 works potential servicing requirements 01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:21.560 for that site that currently is lot 7 so 01:36:22.719 --> 01:36:24.615 that we don't have any conflict with 01:36:24.639 --> 01:36:27.256 digging up new car parks council lady 01:36:27.280 --> 01:36:30.280 question 01:36:30.400 --> 01:36:32.016 yes 01:36:32.040 --> 01:36:35.040 well I only had one question 01:36:36.800 --> 01:36:38.215 oh yeah sorry i just had one question i 01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:39.336 was going to ask it when the budget came 01:36:39.360 --> 01:36:40.256 out 01:36:40.280 --> 01:36:42.536 but actually I've already flagged it 01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:44.135 with Mrs bolton now that I think of it 01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:47.159 um it's just that as part of this mo 01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:51.896 motion for you it it's going to be doing 01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:54.776 a bit of rearranging at the airport and 01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:57.576 um and it's going to leave a site on the 01:36:57.600 --> 01:37:00.600 northern part of the airport cleared 01:37:01.040 --> 01:37:04.040 ideally sometime this financial 01:37:04.280 --> 01:37:07.280 year um in addition to two other the 01:37:08.719 --> 01:37:10.936 yeah bakers um two other little pods and 01:37:10.960 --> 01:37:12.215 I'm just wondering if there's a budget 01:37:12.239 --> 01:37:13.736 allocation i don't have the ballot and 01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:14.695 budget in front of me at the moment 01:37:14.719 --> 01:37:17.576 because I didn't say it no just 01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:20.600 something that we should consider 01:37:21.080 --> 01:37:23.976 because you know once it's gone it's on 01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:27.000 us to clear and ideally seal that area 01:37:27.360 --> 01:37:30.360 um 01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:35.256 so I was sort of sure what the question 01:37:35.280 --> 01:37:38.280 is point is we don't we don't have a we 01:37:38.639 --> 01:37:40.655 don't have a budget allocated 01:37:40.679 --> 01:37:43.679 um there actually may be multiple sites 01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:46.296 on the northern end in the next 01:37:46.320 --> 01:37:48.296 financial year that become vacant so the 01:37:48.320 --> 01:37:50.896 timing of those is need to 01:37:50.920 --> 01:37:53.920 consider LSO 01:37:54.639 --> 01:37:57.639 the current her site yeah so we um just 01:37:58.239 --> 01:38:00.376 something to think about 01:38:00.400 --> 01:38:02.376 yeah we'll be reassessing what we need 01:38:02.400 --> 01:38:04.456 to do in the airport based on the timing 01:38:04.480 --> 01:38:07.175 of what we now work through with these 01:38:07.199 --> 01:38:09.816 leases as well 01:38:09.840 --> 01:38:12.536 yeah happy me time 01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:14.416 thanks Council Lane a 01:38:14.440 --> 01:38:17.440 second council Hager all those in 01:38:18.440 --> 01:38:21.440 favorly item 10.10 roles and rights of 01:38:21.520 --> 01:38:23.256 councils on committees and advisory 01:38:23.280 --> 01:38:26.215 groups 01:38:26.239 --> 01:38:29.239 mr Mayor yeah I'd like to move 01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:33.119 um option three as a motion i think um 01:38:34.400 --> 01:38:37.400 it should be up in teams 01:38:38.719 --> 01:38:41.719 um option three 01:38:42.320 --> 01:38:44.536 option three all councilors can choose 01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:46.056 to attend any appointed committee or 01:38:46.080 --> 01:38:48.215 advisory group meetings and openly 01:38:48.239 --> 01:38:49.976 participate in discussion noting that 01:38:50.000 --> 01:38:52.615 appointed delegate on behalf of council 01:38:52.639 --> 01:38:55.456 where required 01:38:55.480 --> 01:38:57.976 yeah that's the way it basically is in 01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:00.376 the present time isn't it well that's 01:39:00.400 --> 01:39:03.400 what we how we operate 01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:07.816 true Mr Mayor um if you read through 01:39:07.840 --> 01:39:09.336 what we've suggested there there may be 01:39:09.360 --> 01:39:10.936 a little bit of consultation we need to 01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:12.936 undertake with some of the external ones 01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:14.376 now cuz what you're essentially saying 01:39:14.400 --> 01:39:16.135 is that you're happy for any counselor 01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:18.615 here to turn up to anything that any of 01:39:18.639 --> 01:39:21.576 you are appointed on at any time and if 01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:24.336 invited invited by the 01:39:24.360 --> 01:39:27.360 chair be involved in discussion so for 01:39:28.159 --> 01:39:31.159 the ones that are um call them council 01:39:31.199 --> 01:39:32.936 control committees and advisory groups 01:39:32.960 --> 01:39:34.536 easy that's easy for us to just be able 01:39:34.560 --> 01:39:35.976 to make that decision that some of the 01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:39.000 others may require 01:39:41.760 --> 01:39:43.896 leazison committee management committee 01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:45.536 there's several 01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:48.536 coastal there's a few external driven 01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:50.695 external committees that provide a 01:39:50.719 --> 01:39:52.936 certain delegated so I think the point 01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:54.856 is that um if that is what council 01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:56.776 resolves to do we'll do what I have said 01:39:56.800 --> 01:39:58.856 we need to do in the report and if we 01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:00.695 have to come back to you and say there 01:40:00.719 --> 01:40:03.719 are some that we can't actually do what 01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:05.336 you've resolved we'll just report back 01:40:05.360 --> 01:40:08.135 what they are but the council led ones 01:40:08.159 --> 01:40:10.856 certainly we can control that oh yeah 01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:12.936 council council council you wish to 01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:15.960 speak to the motion yeah I just 01:40:16.360 --> 01:40:19.256 um this is pretty much option three is 01:40:19.280 --> 01:40:21.095 pretty much what's in the code the 01:40:21.119 --> 01:40:23.256 meeting sorry in the code of conduct 01:40:23.280 --> 01:40:26.215 um so the code of conduct applies in 01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:29.239 committees um so councilors can speak to 01:40:29.679 --> 01:40:31.175 council meetings they can speak to 01:40:31.199 --> 01:40:34.199 committee meetings um and the other 01:40:35.199 --> 01:40:38.199 options reduce our democratic um rights 01:40:39.040 --> 01:40:41.496 as councilors and I'm not prepared to 01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:44.520 vote for that um having said that 01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:49.416 like a council meeting a committee 01:40:49.440 --> 01:40:51.816 meeting relies on a good chair and if 01:40:51.840 --> 01:40:54.536 there isn't if a chair isn't operating 01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:56.615 efficiently I would expect the CEO to 01:40:56.639 --> 01:40:58.856 step in and help that process and if 01:40:58.880 --> 01:41:01.655 necessary um there's the code of conduct 01:41:01.679 --> 01:41:04.679 to to to use if it's if it's required 01:41:04.960 --> 01:41:07.376 clarify 01:41:07.400 --> 01:41:09.576 yeah I just want to clarify something 01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:12.175 you said there so that we don't um have 01:41:12.199 --> 01:41:15.199 any misunderstanding here so for any 01:41:17.679 --> 01:41:19.416 council committees there's a difference 01:41:19.440 --> 01:41:20.856 between council committees and 01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:22.376 committees of council they're two 01:41:22.400 --> 01:41:25.400 different things for council committees 01:41:26.639 --> 01:41:28.936 the code of conduct definitely applies 01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:31.175 to anyone that is part of that council 01:41:31.199 --> 01:41:34.135 committee for committees of sorry but 01:41:34.159 --> 01:41:36.135 the code of code of meeting practice 01:41:36.159 --> 01:41:39.159 doesn't apply for committees of council 01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:41.896 which are committees made up of only 01:41:41.920 --> 01:41:44.296 counselors then both the code of meeting 01:41:44.320 --> 01:41:46.615 practice and the code of conduct apply 01:41:46.639 --> 01:41:48.056 so just to be really clear on that 01:41:48.080 --> 01:41:51.016 they're two different things so what I'm 01:41:51.040 --> 01:41:54.040 interpreting here is that council is 01:41:54.400 --> 01:41:57.400 saying for um in addition to committees 01:41:58.960 --> 01:42:01.896 all council which are committees with 01:42:01.920 --> 01:42:04.856 only counselors is saying that you're 01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:07.016 also happy for all councilors to turn up 01:42:07.040 --> 01:42:08.655 to any of the other committees and 01:42:08.679 --> 01:42:11.496 participate as if it was a committee of 01:42:11.520 --> 01:42:13.576 council if that makes sense so just to 01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:14.776 be really clear on that they are two 01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:16.856 different things that's fine we just 01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:19.695 want to clarify 01:42:19.719 --> 01:42:22.695 thanks for put the motion councelor Hag 01:42:22.719 --> 01:42:25.719 put motion all those in favor carried 01:42:25.800 --> 01:42:28.456 unanimously no councelor reports there's 01:42:28.480 --> 01:42:30.695 no resision automation motions notice 01:42:30.719 --> 01:42:33.719 the motion 13.1 council 01:42:41.159 --> 01:42:44.159 um speaking of the motion um we got a 01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:47.256 second for the motion councelor Daly 01:42:47.280 --> 01:42:49.976 yeah um the building we're meeting in 01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:53.000 called the Bea Valley commemorative 01:42:53.480 --> 01:42:56.480 center and in 01:42:56.639 --> 01:42:58.416 ah okay start 01:42:58.440 --> 01:43:00.976 again sorry 01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:03.336 um one of these days I'll conquer how 01:43:03.360 --> 01:43:04.695 many times I have to press for the red 01:43:04.719 --> 01:43:07.576 light um we're meeting in a building 01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:09.736 called the Beager Valley commemorative 01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:12.760 civic center and in many ways it is the 01:43:12.800 --> 01:43:15.095 center of our civic life in the bigger 01:43:15.119 --> 01:43:17.336 valley it's the home of our democratic 01:43:17.360 --> 01:43:19.496 ally elected council it's where we raise 01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:22.376 our national flag it's where we host our 01:43:22.400 --> 01:43:24.376 citizenship ceremonies where the 01:43:24.400 --> 01:43:26.135 community comes together for social and 01:43:26.159 --> 01:43:28.376 cultural activities it's where we've 01:43:28.400 --> 01:43:30.776 located our wonderful library and our 01:43:30.800 --> 01:43:33.175 contemporary art center and of course it 01:43:33.199 --> 01:43:35.256 stands as a memorial to those who served 01:43:35.280 --> 01:43:38.280 and died in war so this motion is about 01:43:38.480 --> 01:43:40.456 keeping this wonderful building at the 01:43:40.480 --> 01:43:42.936 heart of our civic life by doing more to 01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:45.095 enshrine it as a home of democracy and 01:43:45.119 --> 01:43:48.119 voting in this city and that is that it 01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:50.456 is the place chosen by the Australian 01:43:50.480 --> 01:43:53.256 Electoral Commission the AEC to conduct 01:43:53.280 --> 01:43:55.736 pre-pole and election day voting in 01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:58.760 future federal state and local elections 01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:01.095 so in the leadup to the recent federal 01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:03.496 election the AEC for whatever reason 01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:05.736 chose to conduct pre-polling in a 01:44:05.760 --> 01:44:08.760 location that was frankly substandard um 01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:10.936 it wasn't bigger village center it was 01:44:10.960 --> 01:44:13.496 the sort of shabby admin rooms behind 01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:15.256 the shopping center with an inconvenient 01:44:15.280 --> 01:44:17.576 entrance on Oakuckland Street most 01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:19.576 veagger people have never had cause to 01:44:19.600 --> 01:44:22.600 go into this place and why would they um 01:44:22.800 --> 01:44:25.416 I know it has been used for some social 01:44:25.440 --> 01:44:28.215 welfare organizations in the past at the 01:44:28.239 --> 01:44:30.736 moment it's substandard and shabby and 01:44:30.760 --> 01:44:33.576 inconvenient um others I noticed on the 01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:36.215 polls were in fact a lot less polite and 01:44:36.239 --> 01:44:37.896 called it the ass end of the shopping 01:44:37.920 --> 01:44:39.456 center 01:44:39.480 --> 01:44:41.896 um the only parking was on the busy 01:44:41.920 --> 01:44:43.896 commercial street access was via ramp 01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:46.376 into a cramped foyer a very steep flight 01:44:46.400 --> 01:44:48.456 of steps where the carpet was repaired 01:44:48.480 --> 01:44:51.016 by gafferape the lift was a disgrace 01:44:51.040 --> 01:44:53.816 barely functioning and regardless of the 01:44:53.840 --> 01:44:55.655 outcome of this motion it must be 01:44:55.679 --> 01:44:57.175 attended to by the operators of the 01:44:57.199 --> 01:44:59.296 building and taken into account by the 01:44:59.320 --> 01:45:02.320 AEC the whole experience was basically 01:45:02.400 --> 01:45:04.376 an insult to voters that's a strong word 01:45:04.400 --> 01:45:06.856 but I was actually quite offended with 01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:08.615 people just trying to exercise their 01:45:08.639 --> 01:45:11.416 democratic rights i saw elderly people 01:45:11.440 --> 01:45:13.016 who'd struggled into the building on 01:45:13.040 --> 01:45:15.095 their sticks or frames who then looked 01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:16.615 at that flight of stairs and must have 01:45:16.639 --> 01:45:18.776 wondered why they bothered on a couple 01:45:18.800 --> 01:45:20.776 of occasions a staff had to come 01:45:20.800 --> 01:45:22.456 downstairs to administer the vote to 01:45:22.480 --> 01:45:24.135 frail elderly sitting in their cars 01:45:24.159 --> 01:45:25.416 because they couldn't make it up the 01:45:25.440 --> 01:45:27.576 stairs and the lift well you had to keep 01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:29.256 pushing it for the entire time you're a 01:45:29.280 --> 01:45:31.576 lift if you're going to get it to move 01:45:31.600 --> 01:45:32.976 um and it was 01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:35.496 claustrophobic um well the whole 01:45:35.520 --> 01:45:37.416 experience basically of saying to voters 01:45:37.440 --> 01:45:39.456 that voting is an unpleasant 01:45:39.480 --> 01:45:42.215 chore and I don't agree with that we 01:45:42.239 --> 01:45:44.056 have so little regard for voters and for 01:45:44.080 --> 01:45:46.296 democracy democracy itself is it that 01:45:46.320 --> 01:45:48.736 we just say we don't care about where it 01:45:48.760 --> 01:45:51.576 happens um I think that in this country 01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:53.416 voting is compulsory and it's one of the 01:45:53.440 --> 01:45:56.296 best things we have all 18 million of us 01:45:56.320 --> 01:45:58.536 registered come together and make up our 01:45:58.560 --> 01:46:00.776 minds about the future of our country 01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:02.296 but there's no reason to make it 01:46:02.320 --> 01:46:04.776 unpleasant or difficult or inconvenient 01:46:04.800 --> 01:46:06.456 when we have a perfectly good building 01:46:06.480 --> 01:46:09.480 here which would celebrate democracy as 01:46:09.760 --> 01:46:11.655 it did in the local government elections 01:46:11.679 --> 01:46:12.896 last 01:46:12.920 --> 01:46:15.576 October and I might just finish by 01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:17.736 saying I don't say it's compulsory like 01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:19.816 compulsory voting the motion says 01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:22.840 actively encouraged 01:46:23.040 --> 01:46:26.040 thanks 01:46:26.960 --> 01:46:29.960 speaking against the motion um Mr s the 01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:32.296 the Australian Electoral Commission and 01:46:32.320 --> 01:46:34.376 the federal government who is it 01:46:34.400 --> 01:46:35.816 actually in control of booking the 01:46:35.840 --> 01:46:37.256 senators electoral Commission or the 01:46:37.280 --> 01:46:39.896 council 01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:41.655 control of booking the senators is it 01:46:41.679 --> 01:46:44.679 the AEC yes or state election New South 01:46:44.960 --> 01:46:46.856 Wales yes it's true Mr Mayor it happens 01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:48.856 independent of council um we are 01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:51.416 approached at different stages about 01:46:51.440 --> 01:46:53.336 hiring and booking our facilities but we 01:46:53.360 --> 01:46:55.016 don't get involved in arranging it 01:46:55.040 --> 01:46:57.336 elsewhere what we have done um in the 01:46:57.360 --> 01:46:59.416 past so is provide guidance on potential 01:46:59.440 --> 01:47:00.936 sites if we get asked but we are 01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:03.960 involved in specifically organizing 01:47:06.679 --> 01:47:09.456 things against 01:47:09.480 --> 01:47:11.776 motion don't need any right or reply 01:47:11.800 --> 01:47:14.800 then all those in favor carried 01:47:14.960 --> 01:47:17.095 unanimously 01:47:17.119 --> 01:47:20.119 um 13.3 notice of motion is councelor 01:47:20.560 --> 01:47:23.560 Nen's jackie urgent motion I'll just 01:47:24.400 --> 01:47:26.776 read it out I've got here it's in teams 01:47:26.800 --> 01:47:28.736 is it or 01:47:28.760 --> 01:47:31.760 not in the chat and it's just it's 01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:35.095 probably not an urgent motion but it's 01:47:35.119 --> 01:47:36.615 just something that makes it easy for 01:47:36.639 --> 01:47:38.296 the community who don't read all the 01:47:38.320 --> 01:47:41.320 options in our delivery plan and all our 01:47:41.679 --> 01:47:44.016 reports so it just spells it out 01:47:44.040 --> 01:47:47.040 actually so one is that the maximum rate 01:47:47.360 --> 01:47:50.360 increase it can legally council can 01:47:50.560 --> 01:47:52.776 legally approve in the 2526 financial 01:47:52.800 --> 01:47:55.800 year is 4.9% as set by iPart which is 01:47:56.800 --> 01:47:58.695 included in option C of council's draft 01:47:58.719 --> 01:48:00.296 long-term financial plan currently on 01:48:00.320 --> 01:48:03.320 exhibition which is pretty simple if you 01:48:03.360 --> 01:48:05.976 read it all point two is option A and 01:48:06.000 --> 01:48:07.576 option B in council's long-term 01:48:07.600 --> 01:48:10.456 financial plan are only financial 01:48:10.480 --> 01:48:12.135 scenarios designed to give the public an 01:48:12.159 --> 01:48:13.576 example of what projects might be 01:48:13.600 --> 01:48:15.256 considered with extra funding or with 01:48:15.280 --> 01:48:17.896 fully funded asset management plans and 01:48:17.920 --> 01:48:20.135 that point three is that council has not 01:48:20.159 --> 01:48:21.816 given any consideration to any special 01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:23.816 rate variation in this term of council 01:48:23.840 --> 01:48:25.256 which you can't do under the draft 01:48:25.280 --> 01:48:28.280 delivery plan anyway so yeah thank you 01:48:28.560 --> 01:48:31.560 councel in your motion second council 01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:34.215 porter yeah council I think it's 01:48:34.239 --> 01:48:35.655 pretty obvious why I'm putting this up i 01:48:35.679 --> 01:48:37.496 mean clarity is needed in the community 01:48:37.520 --> 01:48:39.816 i'm sorry that you know to the community 01:48:39.840 --> 01:48:42.056 that this has kind of been lost in 01:48:42.080 --> 01:48:45.080 translation because um you know that 01:48:45.199 --> 01:48:48.199 nuance is important and we know that and 01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:50.856 but we wanted to be as transparent as 01:48:50.880 --> 01:48:52.695 possible with this budget we want 01:48:52.719 --> 01:48:54.695 everyone to know the true cost of 01:48:54.719 --> 01:48:57.576 running this sh and you can see that in 01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:00.056 your so-called and poorly named in my 01:49:00.080 --> 01:49:02.776 opinion now option A um it's not an 01:49:02.800 --> 01:49:05.256 option really it's that we're not going 01:49:05.280 --> 01:49:07.655 down that pathway as an option um when 01:49:07.679 --> 01:49:10.679 we vote for this um budget in in June 01:49:10.960 --> 01:49:13.960 it's a scenario to demonstrate um what 01:49:14.080 --> 01:49:16.376 it costs to run the SH but but also by 01:49:16.400 --> 01:49:19.400 having um three scenarios A B and C you 01:49:21.040 --> 01:49:23.256 can see what our priorities are you can 01:49:23.280 --> 01:49:26.280 see what we put in A the furthest away 01:49:26.400 --> 01:49:29.400 the most out of reach let's call it um b 01:49:30.080 --> 01:49:32.135 the things we would do if we if we had a 01:49:32.159 --> 01:49:34.296 few dollars to to throw around and then 01:49:34.320 --> 01:49:37.320 c what we are committing to in this four 01:49:37.600 --> 01:49:39.896 years and over this more specifically 01:49:39.920 --> 01:49:42.920 over this next year um and so when we 01:49:43.040 --> 01:49:44.936 put this on and this should go to the 01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:47.095 you know media if you're watching we we 01:49:47.119 --> 01:49:49.496 want people to give feedback on that 01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:52.520 part of the budget not just the you know 01:49:52.719 --> 01:49:54.776 the percentage of of rates that would be 01:49:54.800 --> 01:49:57.016 needed to pay for all this thing it's 01:49:57.040 --> 01:49:58.376 also 01:49:58.400 --> 01:50:00.456 Well do you not prioritize things that 01:50:00.480 --> 01:50:03.480 we put in in this so-called option C 01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:05.175 this this model that we're going with 01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:08.199 the 4.9% um this year do you want to 01:50:08.320 --> 01:50:09.496 take things out do you want to take 01:50:09.520 --> 01:50:11.576 things from from so-called option A and 01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:13.256 put it in there that's the kind of 01:50:13.280 --> 01:50:15.976 feedback that we're looking for um and 01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:19.000 so I yeah even though the the pitch or 01:50:19.440 --> 01:50:21.816 the delivery might not have been tone 01:50:21.840 --> 01:50:24.840 perfect um with this with the you know 01:50:24.960 --> 01:50:27.416 the PR around this budget um the 01:50:27.440 --> 01:50:30.215 transparency is and the intent of that 01:50:30.239 --> 01:50:32.695 transparency is all there for you so 01:50:32.719 --> 01:50:35.256 that everyone knows um the true position 01:50:35.280 --> 01:50:36.695 of this council and I've said it before 01:50:36.719 --> 01:50:38.695 and I'll say it again i believe that as 01:50:38.719 --> 01:50:41.175 we sit here today the the accuracy of 01:50:41.199 --> 01:50:43.736 our figures our budget our delivery plan 01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:45.576 our long-term financial plan are more 01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:47.336 accurate and more comprehensive than 01:50:47.360 --> 01:50:49.496 they've ever been um and for that I'm 01:50:49.520 --> 01:50:51.016 you know proud from whatever 01:50:51.040 --> 01:50:53.736 contribution I had so yeah I I hope that 01:50:53.760 --> 01:50:55.976 um you can you can support this it is 01:50:56.000 --> 01:50:58.776 only for noting though councilors 01:50:58.800 --> 01:51:01.016 thanks Council N any other speakers 01:51:01.040 --> 01:51:04.040 council Allen just a question Mr Mayor i 01:51:04.080 --> 01:51:07.080 agree with points one and two but I'm of 01:51:07.199 --> 01:51:09.816 the belief that point three really 01:51:09.840 --> 01:51:11.536 cements this council into a position 01:51:11.560 --> 01:51:14.536 where during it the next three years of 01:51:14.560 --> 01:51:15.896 its term or three and a half years or 01:51:15.920 --> 01:51:18.856 whatever's left of the term that says we 01:51:18.880 --> 01:51:21.095 will not be even considering a special 01:51:21.119 --> 01:51:24.056 variation of any kind into the future 01:51:24.080 --> 01:51:26.976 and um I think it' be very very 01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:30.000 presumptuous to be doing doing that the 01:51:30.400 --> 01:51:33.400 watch out reads to me counc 01:51:33.600 --> 01:51:35.175 and and I I can I can absolutely 01:51:35.199 --> 01:51:37.736 guarantee absolutely guarantee if go 01:51:37.760 --> 01:51:40.760 this goes through in this wording 01:51:41.040 --> 01:51:44.016 no no that that the councils will sit on 01:51:44.040 --> 01:51:47.040 that wording and say no no you guys 01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:48.776 three years three and a half years ago 01:51:48.800 --> 01:51:51.800 or two years ago agreed to a resolution 01:51:52.639 --> 01:51:55.496 that said no no no consideration of any 01:51:55.520 --> 01:51:56.936 special rate via we don't know what's 01:51:56.960 --> 01:51:58.856 what's ahead of us we don't know what's 01:51:58.880 --> 01:52:00.736 ahead of us and if We're going to 01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:03.760 continually set ourselves low targets 01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:07.239 and allow the assets of this council to 01:52:07.320 --> 01:52:09.655 depreciate depreciate and depreciate 01:52:09.679 --> 01:52:11.976 without consideration being available 01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:12.936 i'm not going to say we're going to do 01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:14.936 it but we need to have the availability 01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:17.095 of adjusting the income that this 01:52:17.119 --> 01:52:19.095 council needs to to to to fulfill its 01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:21.856 requirements and responsibilities um 01:52:21.880 --> 01:52:24.880 item.3 in my opinion won't support I I 01:52:26.000 --> 01:52:27.976 absolutely support points A and B 01:52:28.000 --> 01:52:29.976 because we need clarification and I've 01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:32.056 had numerous people come up to me and 01:52:32.080 --> 01:52:33.416 say when the rate's going to go up again 01:52:33.440 --> 01:52:34.776 for God's sake give us a break you say 01:52:34.800 --> 01:52:37.496 well that's fine but and that's that's a 01:52:37.520 --> 01:52:38.456 point you're making about the 01:52:38.480 --> 01:52:40.776 clarification but point three that that 01:52:40.800 --> 01:52:42.776 to me in any case cementss us into a 01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:44.695 position which I don't agree with except 01:52:44.719 --> 01:52:47.719 the council has not currently given 01:52:47.760 --> 01:52:49.896 consider or so far has given 01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:50.936 consideration 01:52:50.960 --> 01:52:53.655 Fine yeah but don't don't rule out yeah 01:52:53.679 --> 01:52:55.416 you want the word currently in there 01:52:55.440 --> 01:52:57.095 sorry i'm not saying we did it i'm just 01:52:57.119 --> 01:52:58.296 saying just don't rule it out that's all 01:52:58.320 --> 01:53:01.095 I'm saying yeah thank you councelor 01:53:01.119 --> 01:53:02.856 Allan for raising it and I I actually 01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:04.296 did think of that when I was writing 01:53:04.320 --> 01:53:07.016 this as well i was trying to say that 01:53:07.040 --> 01:53:09.896 there's no conspiracy here um we haven't 01:53:09.920 --> 01:53:12.856 we haven't made a decision i think 01:53:12.880 --> 01:53:14.135 councelor Daly referred to it as 01:53:14.159 --> 01:53:16.135 foregone conclusion in one of his posts 01:53:16.159 --> 01:53:18.296 um we haven't even talked about it in 01:53:18.320 --> 01:53:20.376 this in this council we haven't talked 01:53:20.400 --> 01:53:21.655 about it and that's what I'm trying to 01:53:21.679 --> 01:53:23.655 project that there's no conspiracy here 01:53:23.679 --> 01:53:25.655 so if you want to put the council has 01:53:25.679 --> 01:53:27.736 not currently given any consider I'm 01:53:27.760 --> 01:53:30.760 more than happy to put that in 01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:41.000 four 01:53:42.080 --> 01:53:45.080 so current.3 is that council 01:53:45.960 --> 01:53:48.960 has someone like to read that council 01:53:49.440 --> 01:53:51.256 currently consideration any special rate 01:53:51.280 --> 01:53:53.016 variation in this term of council and 01:53:53.040 --> 01:53:55.816 that the draft delivery program for this 01:53:55.840 --> 01:53:58.840 term of council currently 01:53:59.239 --> 01:54:02.239 again on exhibition does not assume rate 01:54:02.400 --> 01:54:05.400 income increases above the 01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:07.936 allow 01:54:07.960 --> 01:54:10.960 allowable rate peg limits allowable rate 01:54:11.199 --> 01:54:13.736 peg limits said by iPad actually said it 01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:14.936 but you know if you want anything 01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:17.960 against yeah right council no right 01:54:19.599 --> 01:54:21.536 reply put the motion all those in 01:54:21.560 --> 01:54:24.256 favor carried 01:54:24.280 --> 01:54:27.280 unanimously questions without notice 01:54:27.360 --> 01:54:29.336 replies questions with notice there's 01:54:29.360 --> 01:54:30.856 some replies there questions without 01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:33.615 notice there's 01:54:33.639 --> 01:54:36.639 some question well comes a question 01:54:36.719 --> 01:54:38.776 without notice 01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:41.800 well now it's a question without notice 01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:45.095 I'd like to thank thank you for the 01:54:45.119 --> 01:54:47.016 response to the question with notice it 01:54:47.040 --> 01:54:49.816 was relating to interest and how that's 01:54:49.840 --> 01:54:51.496 handled under the local government act 01:54:51.520 --> 01:54:53.736 but it at the bottom of the answer it 01:54:53.760 --> 01:54:55.456 mentions the 01:54:55.480 --> 01:54:58.135 regulation 127 01:54:58.159 --> 01:55:00.695 um which is the local government 01:55:00.719 --> 01:55:02.376 administration 01:55:02.400 --> 01:55:05.400 um legislation um and it refer and it 01:55:05.679 --> 01:55:08.679 says and the the answer here says that 01:55:09.040 --> 01:55:12.040 um it's interpreted in clause 1271F 01:55:12.800 --> 01:55:15.095 means that only the interest payable at 01:55:15.119 --> 01:55:17.816 the time of issuing a rates and charges 01:55:17.840 --> 01:55:20.840 notice needs to be shown on it so if 01:55:21.840 --> 01:55:24.840 interest is outstanding you need to show 01:55:25.080 --> 01:55:28.080 it so what that clause says is 01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:32.000 particulars of any outstanding ar rates 01:55:32.159 --> 01:55:34.456 and charges living in a land of any 01:55:34.480 --> 01:55:37.095 interest payable on those amounts so one 01:55:37.119 --> 01:55:40.119 of the points that that um this answer 01:55:40.400 --> 01:55:43.016 mentions is the fact that interest 01:55:43.040 --> 01:55:46.040 charges are never shown never shown on 01:55:47.440 --> 01:55:50.440 um any rates notices or follow-up 01:55:52.599 --> 01:55:55.599 statements um if you get a rate bill or 01:55:56.000 --> 01:55:58.416 a water bill that's let's say 01:55:58.440 --> 01:56:01.440 $500 um the next bill you get or 01:56:01.599 --> 01:56:03.856 reminder you get will say 01:56:03.880 --> 01:56:06.880 $58 as amount due so you never actually 01:56:08.360 --> 01:56:11.360 see how much interest you're charged 01:56:11.440 --> 01:56:14.215 what what dates you're charged interest 01:56:14.239 --> 01:56:15.976 for or what you're charged interest on 01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:18.695 there's there's no transparency in that 01:56:18.719 --> 01:56:21.416 and so my follow-up question is that 01:56:21.440 --> 01:56:24.416 sort of in relation to regulation 01:56:24.440 --> 01:56:27.440 1271F that says particulars of the 01:56:28.320 --> 01:56:30.296 interest payable on those amounts should 01:56:30.320 --> 01:56:33.320 be on the bill um is council compliant 01:56:34.400 --> 01:56:36.856 in relation to not showing those 01:56:36.880 --> 01:56:39.880 particulars of outstanding interest 01:56:42.560 --> 01:56:45.560 who will say it's that too 01:56:48.239 --> 01:56:51.175 yeah three Mr Mayor um did you No no no 01:56:51.199 --> 01:56:53.336 i was very closely reading it and 01:56:53.360 --> 01:56:55.816 processing it and the response is we 01:56:55.840 --> 01:56:58.840 will take that on notice 01:56:59.360 --> 01:57:00.936 i was listening for the question in it 01:57:00.960 --> 01:57:02.936 which came at the end which I'm I'm much 01:57:02.960 --> 01:57:05.960 clear on um and we will get the response 01:57:06.320 --> 01:57:07.736 to that and in the meantime I'll have a 01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:09.095 conversation with you about whether 01:57:09.119 --> 01:57:11.175 there's a certain intent at the end of 01:57:11.199 --> 01:57:13.095 all this we're trying to get to which 01:57:13.119 --> 01:57:14.936 might be a different question to ask 01:57:14.960 --> 01:57:17.135 which is how could we ensure that that 01:57:17.159 --> 01:57:19.655 is there whether it needs to be or not 01:57:19.679 --> 01:57:21.016 under legislation but we'll get to that 01:57:21.040 --> 01:57:22.776 later that's not going to go in the 01:57:22.800 --> 01:57:25.095 minutes i took it on notice questions 01:57:25.119 --> 01:57:27.336 without notice council Lane and I also 01:57:27.360 --> 01:57:30.016 have one as well just a quick 01:57:30.040 --> 01:57:33.040 one in our LEP and DCP what's the 01:57:34.560 --> 01:57:37.560 definition of a tiny home 01:57:39.280 --> 01:57:42.280 you want to Oh yeah 01:57:42.400 --> 01:57:44.456 true mr Mayor the simple answer is there 01:57:44.480 --> 01:57:47.480 is no definition of a tiny home 01:57:49.440 --> 01:57:51.896 so there there is elaborate on hang on 01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:54.215 there is I will elaborate i'll clarify 01:57:54.239 --> 01:57:56.776 that there is no legal definition of a 01:57:56.800 --> 01:57:59.800 tiny home 01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:02.936 i have a council daily your question 01:58:02.960 --> 01:58:05.960 in in response to that that question um 01:58:06.159 --> 01:58:08.376 with the review that's coming up into 01:58:08.400 --> 01:58:11.400 movable dwellings caravans etc do you 01:58:11.440 --> 01:58:14.440 know if that definition is being visited 01:58:15.199 --> 01:58:17.016 like will that be something that's 01:58:17.040 --> 01:58:19.256 clarified 01:58:19.280 --> 01:58:21.175 i am not aware but I expect that will be 01:58:21.199 --> 01:58:23.496 highly unlikely 01:58:23.520 --> 01:58:26.520 [Music] 01:58:27.920 --> 01:58:30.920 stop there you better 01:58:31.280 --> 01:58:34.056 another question 01:58:34.080 --> 01:58:35.976 just a question without notice last week 01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:37.816 there was an announcement made um of 01:58:37.840 --> 01:58:39.655 more than a thousand apprentices 01:58:39.679 --> 01:58:41.336 trainees and cadets starting their 01:58:41.360 --> 01:58:44.135 careers with um New South Wales councils 01:58:44.159 --> 01:58:45.976 which is of course a great initiative 01:58:46.000 --> 01:58:47.175 it's an investment in the local 01:58:47.199 --> 01:58:49.336 community it's an investment in council 01:58:49.360 --> 01:58:51.655 um and I note that more than 60% of 01:58:51.679 --> 01:58:54.456 those um were for regional and rural 01:58:54.480 --> 01:58:57.095 areas my question is from that 01:58:57.119 --> 01:59:00.119 announcement overall how many um 01:59:00.159 --> 01:59:03.159 apprentices trainees and kits have we 01:59:03.880 --> 01:59:06.880 employed um and how is it prioritized 01:59:07.119 --> 01:59:08.776 what areas you know we often talk about 01:59:08.800 --> 01:59:10.615 how there's shortages in the planning 01:59:10.639 --> 01:59:12.456 department or other departments what 01:59:12.480 --> 01:59:15.016 areas of council we've um prioritized 01:59:15.040 --> 01:59:18.040 those positions in 01:59:18.239 --> 01:59:21.239 so three Mr Mayor just to to clarify 01:59:22.080 --> 01:59:24.896 there's a difference between um how many 01:59:24.920 --> 01:59:27.175 positions Well there could be there 01:59:27.199 --> 01:59:28.615 could be a difference between how many 01:59:28.639 --> 01:59:31.095 positions we've been awarding how many 01:59:31.119 --> 01:59:33.736 are employed but I'm pleased to say that 01:59:33.760 --> 01:59:34.575 we 01:59:34.599 --> 01:59:37.599 have employed people to fill the funded 01:59:38.560 --> 01:59:40.856 roles we have and those roles are a 01:59:40.880 --> 01:59:43.880 cadet planner a trainee planner and a 01:59:44.480 --> 01:59:47.480 cadet engineer so they were awarded to 01:59:47.760 --> 01:59:50.695 us in round one of that program in the 01:59:50.719 --> 01:59:52.856 end we didn't apply in round two we're 01:59:52.880 --> 01:59:54.936 expecting a round three and intend to 01:59:54.960 --> 01:59:57.960 apply in that and it is highly likely um 01:59:58.560 --> 02:00:01.560 that we will be focusing on apprentices 02:00:01.599 --> 02:00:04.536 in that round because that is some 02:00:04.560 --> 02:00:06.056 indicative guidance I've received from 02:00:06.080 --> 02:00:07.416 the office of local government about 02:00:07.440 --> 02:00:09.496 where they expect to be prioritizing 02:00:09.520 --> 02:00:12.520 that future round assuming it happens 02:00:12.560 --> 02:00:15.560 and we will start preparing now for what 02:00:15.760 --> 02:00:18.760 we might apply for in that future round 02:00:18.920 --> 02:00:21.736 and early indications are that could be 02:00:21.760 --> 02:00:24.760 around July that that that round opens 02:00:25.040 --> 02:00:27.416 but that's not confirmed and and why 02:00:27.440 --> 02:00:30.440 didn't we apply in round two 02:00:30.560 --> 02:00:33.560 three M simply is due to competing 02:00:33.679 --> 02:00:35.416 priorities for our staff time and 02:00:35.440 --> 02:00:38.440 resources we had um been having some 02:00:39.119 --> 02:00:41.095 consideration of what we might apply for 02:00:41.119 --> 02:00:43.095 but in the end just weren't able to with 02:00:43.119 --> 02:00:44.376 the time constraints to get that 02:00:44.400 --> 02:00:46.536 submission in 02:00:46.560 --> 02:00:48.776 lane Preston yeah I want to be a bit 02:00:48.800 --> 02:00:50.695 sensitive with this one as well um Mr 02:00:50.719 --> 02:00:53.719 Mayor in the in the past few weeks um 02:00:54.239 --> 02:00:55.736 there've been a number of serious 02:00:55.760 --> 02:00:58.760 accidents on roads in the Bea Valley SH 02:00:59.080 --> 02:01:02.080 um it adds actually to um 02:01:03.159 --> 02:01:05.496 numerous crashes that have happened 02:01:05.520 --> 02:01:08.520 in the past 6 months as well um that may 02:01:08.639 --> 02:01:10.456 not have had fatalities but were serious 02:01:10.480 --> 02:01:11.776 nonetheless 02:01:11.800 --> 02:01:14.800 um um very close to my own home and I my 02:01:17.119 --> 02:01:18.695 and I should certainly say my heart goes 02:01:18.719 --> 02:01:20.215 out to all of those individuals and 02:01:20.239 --> 02:01:23.239 families affected by this um you know as 02:01:24.320 --> 02:01:27.320 as leaders in our community and those 02:01:27.440 --> 02:01:30.376 responsible for our roads not 02:01:30.400 --> 02:01:32.376 necessarily our highways but some of 02:01:32.400 --> 02:01:34.376 these accidents were on our roads can I 02:01:34.400 --> 02:01:37.400 just ask what the process is here um 02:01:38.560 --> 02:01:40.496 around our 02:01:40.520 --> 02:01:43.520 response to those incidences and what 02:01:44.400 --> 02:01:46.215 involvement we have with authorities 02:01:46.239 --> 02:01:47.816 with state government with transport for 02:01:47.840 --> 02:01:48.896 New South 02:01:48.920 --> 02:01:51.416 Wales our own traffic committee I don't 02:01:51.440 --> 02:01:54.440 know um how we go I'm identifying what 02:01:56.000 --> 02:01:59.000 happened and making sure that we 02:01:59.840 --> 02:02:02.296 understand why and whether that those 02:02:02.320 --> 02:02:04.135 roads then become priority ities or 02:02:04.159 --> 02:02:06.056 where changes are made or whether that 02:02:06.080 --> 02:02:08.936 helps our advocacy to to state and 02:02:08.960 --> 02:02:11.960 federal governments for for roads 02:02:12.119 --> 02:02:15.119 funding three Mr Mayor what typically 02:02:15.360 --> 02:02:18.360 happens after accidents is that a crash 02:02:18.719 --> 02:02:21.719 report is prepared and we then get 02:02:22.400 --> 02:02:24.615 access to that data that we can then 02:02:24.639 --> 02:02:27.416 assess and utilize in seeking funding 02:02:27.440 --> 02:02:30.440 going forward in grant programs we've 02:02:30.880 --> 02:02:33.056 been very successful in the past with 02:02:33.080 --> 02:02:35.736 that occasionally there are crashes that 02:02:35.760 --> 02:02:37.496 happen where they aren't reported and we 02:02:37.520 --> 02:02:40.520 can't get that data so for those crashes 02:02:40.719 --> 02:02:42.135 that you've referred to we will 02:02:42.159 --> 02:02:44.856 certainly be able to access the data 02:02:44.880 --> 02:02:47.256 those and understand if there's anything 02:02:47.280 --> 02:02:50.056 that can be done to prevent them from 02:02:50.080 --> 02:02:52.016 happening in the future that are related 02:02:52.040 --> 02:02:54.936 to things within our control so road 02:02:54.960 --> 02:02:57.336 condition for example or road alignment 02:02:57.360 --> 02:02:59.256 or any treatments that we can undertake 02:02:59.280 --> 02:03:01.736 and whether that's in any way something 02:03:01.760 --> 02:03:03.575 that's going to prevent similar from 02:03:03.599 --> 02:03:06.599 happening at those locations 02:03:07.440 --> 02:03:08.776 any further questions i have one 02:03:08.800 --> 02:03:10.695 question without notice and probably get 02:03:10.719 --> 02:03:13.719 taken on notice it relates to DA 02:03:15.000 --> 02:03:17.736 2025-37 for construction of a home at 48 02:03:17.760 --> 02:03:20.456 George Street South Pula 02:03:20.480 --> 02:03:22.536 despite having only a few trees on their 02:03:22.560 --> 02:03:24.135 block of land the property they have 02:03:24.159 --> 02:03:26.376 been advised of a bell rating of 40 when 02:03:26.400 --> 02:03:27.896 they're costing an estimate and design 02:03:27.920 --> 02:03:30.816 have all been based on a bell rating of 02:03:30.840 --> 02:03:33.655 29 in in correspondence I think the car 02:03:33.679 --> 02:03:35.256 staff for the correspondence and I'm not 02:03:35.280 --> 02:03:37.416 challenging the staff's position at all 02:03:37.440 --> 02:03:40.440 i just tried to like to work out a a way 02:03:40.560 --> 02:03:43.175 forward for this family who have limited 02:03:43.199 --> 02:03:45.256 resources to build their house the cost 02:03:45.280 --> 02:03:48.280 between a B 29 and a B 40 is around the 02:03:48.880 --> 02:03:51.496 200,000 mark difference these people are 02:03:51.520 --> 02:03:53.336 in a position to build their house have 02:03:53.360 --> 02:03:55.575 the DA but the DA now will be refused by 02:03:55.599 --> 02:03:58.056 council because they can't meet the B 40 02:03:58.080 --> 02:04:00.175 requirements of the asset management 02:04:00.199 --> 02:04:02.776 protection and it relates to a council 02:04:02.800 --> 02:04:04.376 block of land that's adjoining the 02:04:04.400 --> 02:04:07.400 property where the 140 m slope is 02:04:07.679 --> 02:04:10.456 regarded as bush land and high fire 02:04:10.480 --> 02:04:12.936 prone and I I get that and when you look 02:04:12.960 --> 02:04:14.776 at the block and you visit the the 02:04:14.800 --> 02:04:17.655 property um you wonder how the fire will 02:04:17.679 --> 02:04:20.215 get there there's houses to the north 02:04:20.239 --> 02:04:23.239 east south and west of this current 02:04:23.360 --> 02:04:26.056 where they propose to build this yet now 02:04:26.080 --> 02:04:28.056 they're the push to a costing that they 02:04:28.080 --> 02:04:29.575 can't afford and probably will have to 02:04:29.599 --> 02:04:31.016 sell their land is there anything 02:04:31.040 --> 02:04:32.296 council can do to work with the 02:04:32.320 --> 02:04:34.615 applicants to actually make the property 02:04:34.639 --> 02:04:37.095 actually happen and I know it's complex 02:04:37.119 --> 02:04:38.695 and I'm not having a go please Miss 02:04:38.719 --> 02:04:39.976 Harrison I'm not having a go at the 02:04:40.000 --> 02:04:41.896 staff i actually really feel for this 02:04:41.920 --> 02:04:43.575 couple they're genuine couple who just 02:04:43.599 --> 02:04:46.135 want to build a house um and and are in 02:04:46.159 --> 02:04:48.655 a position to do it 02:04:48.679 --> 02:04:51.679 but council mentioned the confl 02:04:52.040 --> 02:04:55.040 conflated planning laws earlier this is 02:04:55.480 --> 02:04:57.976 to as I said in the email to you i'm 02:04:58.000 --> 02:04:59.496 really struggling with this personally 02:04:59.520 --> 02:05:01.496 sorry so 02:05:01.520 --> 02:05:03.575 through Mr Mayor yeah I'll answer that 02:05:03.599 --> 02:05:05.655 through Mr Mayor 02:05:05.679 --> 02:05:07.655 i'll start by saying the situation is 02:05:07.679 --> 02:05:10.679 not unique across the SH there are other 02:05:10.960 --> 02:05:12.776 similar situations that crop up from 02:05:12.800 --> 02:05:15.800 time to time where our staff do an 02:05:16.000 --> 02:05:18.456 assessment of the bell rating of the 02:05:18.480 --> 02:05:20.135 properties in accordance with the rules 02:05:20.159 --> 02:05:21.896 that we've got to work to and the answer 02:05:21.920 --> 02:05:24.920 is the answer we've given our staff have 02:05:25.760 --> 02:05:28.056 given um those applicants the 02:05:28.080 --> 02:05:31.080 opportunity to seek their own detailed 02:05:31.760 --> 02:05:34.215 independent assessment of us which comes 02:05:34.239 --> 02:05:37.095 at a cost comes at a cost and from a 02:05:37.119 --> 02:05:38.776 staff perspective we've essentially done 02:05:38.800 --> 02:05:41.416 everything we can to try and support 02:05:41.440 --> 02:05:44.440 this particular developer with the 02:05:44.639 --> 02:05:46.536 options available to them to address the 02:05:46.560 --> 02:05:47.776 issues 02:05:47.800 --> 02:05:50.800 so in short other than 02:05:51.719 --> 02:05:54.719 um considering concessions outside of 02:05:54.800 --> 02:05:57.800 what we believe we can do legislatively 02:05:58.480 --> 02:06:00.776 or financially contributing to their 02:06:00.800 --> 02:06:02.615 development to help them get other 02:06:02.639 --> 02:06:03.896 assessments done we don't believe 02:06:03.920 --> 02:06:05.336 there's any more we can offer on this 02:06:05.360 --> 02:06:07.095 one 02:06:07.119 --> 02:06:08.856 thanks 02:06:08.880 --> 02:06:11.256 councilors that's the end no other 02:06:11.280 --> 02:06:13.816 questions without notice that ends the 02:06:13.840 --> 02:06:15.816 general meeting we need to adjourn to go 02:06:15.840 --> 02:06:17.976 in councelor Allen move that we go into 02:06:18.000 --> 02:06:21.000 close session a second council n in 02:06:21.560 --> 02:06:24.560 favor unanimously to do with item 12 02:06:25.040 --> 02:06:28.040 point 02:06:32.280 --> 02:06:34.856 9.1 council live streaming of the 02:06:34.880 --> 02:06:37.055 council meeting of the 21st of May has 02:06:37.079 --> 02:06:39.095 recommenced reminder council meetings 02:06:39.119 --> 02:06:40.135 are recorded and live stream the 02:06:40.159 --> 02:06:41.336 internet for public viewing and made 02:06:41.360 --> 02:06:43.976 available on www.beer valley new South 02:06:44.000 --> 02:06:46.695 Wales.goav.au Are you councilors item 02:06:46.719 --> 02:06:49.655 9.1 councilors I'll happy to move the 02:06:49.679 --> 02:06:50.936 council accepts a recommendation 02:06:50.960 --> 02:06:53.256 outlined in the confidential MIMO second 02:06:53.280 --> 02:06:55.376 councelor Allen all those in 02:06:55.400 --> 02:06:58.400 favor council Porter councelor Hager 02:06:58.560 --> 02:07:00.376 councelor Allen councelor Noble 02:07:00.400 --> 02:07:02.615 councelor Fitzpatrick councelor council 02:07:02.639 --> 02:07:04.536 daily councelor daily those against 02:07:04.560 --> 02:07:05.536 councelor 02:07:05.560 --> 02:07:08.055 Naiden but items one two and three now 02:07:08.079 --> 02:07:09.575 become that council accepts a tender 02:07:09.599 --> 02:07:11.575 from AW Dummit proprietary limit in 02:07:11.599 --> 02:07:13.736 relation to the contract for the works 02:07:13.760 --> 02:07:15.776 described in tender 02:07:15.800 --> 02:07:18.800 RFT2425089 in the amount of 02:07:19.719 --> 02:07:22.215 $214,114 excluding GST subject 02:07:22.239 --> 02:07:24.776 variations provision sums and prime cost 02:07:24.800 --> 02:07:27.496 items will authority be delegated to CA 02:07:27.520 --> 02:07:29.336 to execute all necessary documents and 02:07:29.360 --> 02:07:31.095 approve any contract variations up to 02:07:31.119 --> 02:07:34.119 the available allocated budget but all 02:07:34.159 --> 02:07:35.736 tenders be advised of the council's 02:07:35.760 --> 02:07:38.135 decision happy to move that a second 02:07:38.159 --> 02:07:41.095 councelor Owen again all those in favor 02:07:41.119 --> 02:07:43.095 councelor Porter councelor Hager 02:07:43.119 --> 02:07:44.536 councelor Allen councelor Nel councelor 02:07:44.560 --> 02:07:46.936 Fitzpatrick councel council daily 02:07:46.960 --> 02:07:49.960 councelor Daly and against is councel n 02:07:50.480 --> 02:07:52.376 the motion's carried that concludes the 02:07:52.400 --> 02:07:55.400 meeting councilors of the 21st of May 02:07:55.679 --> 02:07:58.679 thank you very much councilors