WEBVTT 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.160 Council it's now 2:40 and the ordinary 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:04.839 meeting of Wednesday the 24th of July 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:07.839 2024 will commence all Council meetings 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:09.039 are recorded and live streamed the 00:00:09.119 --> 00:00:10.400 internet for public viewing the 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:12.160 recording will be archived and made 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:14.640 available on council's website 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:18.879 www.begavalley.nsw.gov.au also 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:20.399 start by acknowledging the traditional 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:22.399 custodians of the land and waters and 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:25.719 airspace on which we are gathering 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.640 today this is an echo 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:32.399 under the Local Government Act I'm 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:34.439 reminded to read the statement of 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:35.640 ethical 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:37.560 obligations the Mayor and Council 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:39.119 reminded that they remain bound by the 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:40.840 oath affirmation of office made at the 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:42.840 start of the council term to undertake 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:44.679 their civic duties in the best interests 00:00:44.759 --> 00:00:46.759 of the people of the Bega Valley Shire 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:49.200 until faithfully and impartially carry 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:51.119 out the functions powers authorities and 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:53.240 discretions vested in them under the 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:54.920 Local Government Act or any other act to 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:56.920 the best of their skill and judgment the 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:58.320 Mayor and councilors is a reminder of the 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:00.000 requirement for disclosure of conflict 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:02.439 of interest in relation to items listed 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:04.719 for consideration on the agenda of which 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:06.599 are considered at this meeting in 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:08.480 accordance with the code of conduct and 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:09.799 code of meeting 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:12.239 practice no apologies for the meeting 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:14.599 today confirmation of minutes councilors 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:16.159 the minutes of the ordering meeting held 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:17.879 the 26th of June been circulated and 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:20.560 taken as read someone move they be accepted 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:21.480 councelor 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:25.400 Nadin councelor Seckold all in favor carried 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:27.799 unanimously thanks with councilor Griff 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:30.640 out of the room 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:33.959 non declarations Mr CEO I imagine you 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:36.400 would have a few three Mr Mayor I 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:38.519 have two Declarations of Interest here 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:43.120 before me the first is in relation to 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:45.280 it's from you as the mayor in 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:47.680 relation to item 8.7 modification to 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:51.560 existing extractive industry at 283 ? 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:55.719 ? it is a non-pecuniaryy conflict of 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:58.480 interest that is less than 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:01.159 significant in that you are a distant 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:04.400 relative of the it says applicant but I 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:06.719 believe you may have meant owner of the 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:09.879 property so you've indicated that you 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:14.319 will disclose and vote the second one 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:16.520 I have is from Council O'Neil in relation 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:19.520 to item 10.9 ? Hall loan 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:23.879 repayment again it is a non-pecuniary 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:25.919 nonsignificant conflict of interest 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:28.199 in that counc rer was previously a 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:29.879 member of the board of the ? hall 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:31.439 complex leaving in 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:36.199 2021 and she will disclose and 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:40.680 vote the public for held at 12:00 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.800 until just after 2 on item 8.1 we have 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:45.599 Mr Craig Malcolm speaking against the 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:48.800 recommendation on item item 8.7 we had 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:51.800 Miss Jacqueline Wishard Mr Murray 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:54.120 Ferguson and Mr Peter Fisher speaking 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:56.639 against and Miss Elizabeth Hasselhoff speaking 00:02:56.719 --> 00:02:58.400 on behalf of ? town and Mr Robert 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:00.360 Gordon both speaking for the 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.039 recommendation on item 8.1 we had Mr 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:05.280 Alen Kabargo speaking against the 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.400 recommendation as well as Mr G Barry 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:09.599 speaking on behalf of Mr Heier speaking 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:12.759 against the staff recommendation on item 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:15.199 10.7 Road transfer at Marling Street 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:18.639 Eden Mr Dean Muskat on behalf of Aboriginal 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:20.879 land Council speaking for and 00:03:20.960 --> 00:03:23.879 on 10.9 Mr Peter O'Brien on ? Hall 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:26.120 speaking against the recommendation 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:29.240 any petitions councilors no petitions no 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:30.319 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.560 no urgent business staff reports 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:34.560 Community environment and planning 8.1 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:36.280 family aging and disability service 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:39.439 review councilors questions for the CEO 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:41.879 or the 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:45.879 director is because there was a 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:48.800 deputation on this we ask a question 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:51.159 would 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:53.280 you ? Harris was there anything you 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:54.639 heard in the deputation this morning 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:56.400 that wouldn't allow us to deal with the 00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:59.759 matter three Mr Mayor no council any 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:01.639 questions on the deputation or for Miss 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:06.319 Harrison on the report or the CEO on the 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:12.159 report through the CEO could you 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:14.800 take us through that if we agree to this 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:16.399 recommendation what would be the 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:19.160 transition process both for our staff 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:22.040 and for the various people we offer 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:23.279 service to 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:26.000 now it's true Mr Mayor I'll get 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:27.600 the director to answer that but just 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:29.199 cave at that by say we'll be keeping it 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:31.560 at a relatively high level might talk 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:33.399 about individual circumstances but the 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:37.120 general process the director can respond 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:41.040 to you Mr Mayor if the resolution is 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:43.560 agreed to today and we exit from 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:46.079 providing these Services there are 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:47.879 different time frames that have been 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:49.319 identified for each of the different 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:52.399 Services based on a combination of 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:55.120 ensuring that our existing clients have 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:56.720 enough time to transition to new 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:58.319 providers and also the funding 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.959 agreements so as it says in the in 00:05:02.040 --> 00:05:04.120 the report the Commonwealth Home Support 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:05.959 Program would' be looking to exit by the 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:09.199 30th of November we have 10 clients 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:10.959 in that space and that provides ample 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.519 time for the department and our staff to 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:15.120 transition those clients to other 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:18.079 providers the national and National 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:20.879 disability insurance scheme we have 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:23.680 recommended exiting by the 28th of 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:27.439 February that provides I want to say 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:30.639 six months to trans clients we do 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:36.000 have 142 clients in the ND space that 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:39.720 six-month period we hope we'll give 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:41.879 our staff and clients ample time to 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:44.680 consider their options particularly 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:46.519 from a client's perspective the N is 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:48.560 based on participant choice so they can 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:50.600 review what other providers are out 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:52.399 there make a decision and then our 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:54.279 staff can help transition them across 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:58.160 when they're ready we do expect that 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:00.120 clients will transition at times 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:03.040 throughout that process and in terms 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:04.519 of brighter Futures the family 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:06.480 preservation program we have an existing 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:07.560 contract with the Department of 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:09.160 communities and Justice to deliver that 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:11.759 until 30 June 2025 and we are 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:14.680 recommending that we keep we we stick 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:17.199 with that contract the department is 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:19.360 going through a recommissioning process 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:22.560 to relook at that program more fully and 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:25.720 if we we to finish at 30 June that 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:27.600 aligns with that recommissioning process 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:29.319 and again it means that our staff have 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:31.040 the time to work with our clients in 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:32.680 that space and also make sure they're 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.000 ready to exit the program or move to 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:37.639 another provider if that is an option we 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:42.160 have developed a transition plan that 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:43.879 goes through the detail of how we will 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:46.160 support clients through that transition 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.399 and we have a similar plan in 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.000 relation to staff that I won't go into 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:53.319 because there's personal information 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:55.839 in that but we have a plan mapped out 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:57.399 for how to support staff through that 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:00.040 process as well 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.120 Council oil councelor 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:03.639 Griff 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.879 thank you for that as we know from 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:08.240 the staff report and from the 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.240 testimonials of other people our staff 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:12.959 have been doing a brilliant job in this 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:16.360 area couldn't couldn't do it better 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:18.759 what I did want to ask about though 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:20.920 is the reviews that we're now being 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:23.879 asked to decide on were done at the 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:26.600 same time as a child care service review 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:28.000 I just wanted if you could sort of 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:29.920 contrast and give the reasons why we've 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.240 come to such a different conclusion 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:33.959 since we are have agreed to in fact 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:37.040 expand our Childcare 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:41.480 Services through you Mr May you're 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:43.600 correct councelor anel we also did a 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:45.639 review of our children's services 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:48.000 offering at the same time as we reviewed 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:49.639 these Services they were two separate 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:52.079 reviews and two separate processes 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:54.279 the key difference between the two that 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:57.920 we found was in relation to families 00:07:58.000 --> 00:07:59.759 aging and disability particular in 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:03.040 relation to the ndis the provider Market 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:05.240 has changed significantly since Council 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.920 entered this space many years ago there 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:10.319 are more providers out there now 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:12.120 there are more options for clients that 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:14.319 weren't there previously in the 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:16.160 children's services space there is still 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:19.600 a critical shortage of child care 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:22.319 providers right across the state and 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:24.800 including in our Shire and that review 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:27.319 identified I'm going to get the 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:30.160 nbers wrong but you know there's over 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:34.360 is it 100 we need 180 or 100 plus places 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:37.240 for child care right now in this Shire 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:40.000 and the providers are not there that 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:42.639 the market is much thinner in children's 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:44.320 services for us in the biger valley 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:47.279 Shire whereas in the ND space that 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:49.480 market has grown since we entered it 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:50.879 many years 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:55.120 ago Griff oh thanks and Miss Harrison as 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:56.840 you've suggested it's quite a different 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:59.879 scenario for the three programs and 00:08:59.960 --> 00:09:03.440 I wondered if there was any reason not 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:07.000 to transition the ndis on the same 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.559 dat as brighter Futures just it's only 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.679 like a four month difference and with 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:15.600 the nber of clients and the staff 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:17.879 needing to work out what they're 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:19.799 doing and everything is that a 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:22.039 possibility would there be any 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:25.360 implication negative 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:29.399 implications through you Mr Mayor 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:31.200 the 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:34.240 re the we we've we've recommended the 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:36.720 six-month time frame for exiting from 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:39.279 ndis so that gets us to the end of 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:41.960 February based on conversations with 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:44.440 the team around if Council resolves to 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:46.480 exit what is a reasonable time frame 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:49.279 that we need to ensure that clients and 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:51.919 staff can be supported and that 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.559 transition can be managed sensitively 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:57.240 and carefully and thoroughly 6 months 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:59.440 was the time frame that we felt was 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:01.559 reasonable which is why we've 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:04.480 recommended that if we were to extend it 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:06.840 to 30 June it just means that we 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:10.919 would be transitioning people later I 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:12.080 guess 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:15.759 the there is a chance that with a 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:17.679 longer transition period you know some 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:19.399 clients may choose to transition early 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:21.480 anyway so we'd having be having to look 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:23.279 at how many clients we have and what 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:24.840 level of Staffing we need to support 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:28.039 them throughout that period so I 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:32.039 guess the the short answer is you could 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:35.200 choose to conclude the N at a different 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:38.039 time it'll have budgetary impact to a 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:41.120 point but the six months was what we 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.399 felt was a reasonable time frame for 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.159 clients yes sir yeah through Mr M I just 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:47.840 add to that when you you pick that 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:50.080 30th of June next year time frame that 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:51.679 aligns with brighter Futures there are 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:53.440 other logical reasons why brighter 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:55.679 Futures was proposed to be later 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:57.799 particularly around the very 00:10:57.879 --> 00:10:59.840 different funding mechanism where we 00:10:59.919 --> 00:11:01.080 receed them from and how they're 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.639 delivered for the different Services too 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.679 so we we couldn't have recommended 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:08.519 bringing forward brighter Futures to 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:10.440 transition out of that earlier that 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:11.799 is the earliest date that we'd be 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:16.080 recommending to do that one so yeah I 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:17.519 have a couple of questions too but do 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:19.080 you have another question oh no so it 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:20.559 was only just to say yeah I wasn't 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:22.480 questioning the brighter Futures I was 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:25.200 just saying was there a reason not to 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:27.639 align them and and have it happen at a 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:29.759 slower Pace 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:32.559 and as you suggested there'd be some 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:34.519 clients that might transition early 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:36.399 anyway 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.840 so anyway I I'm happy to put the 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.320 recommendation when the question's over 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:46.039 I'm happy if I would prefer to see the 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:49.240 a later date for 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:54.200 ND I don't want you obviously to go 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:57.120 into any confidential material but one 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.519 of the drivers behind the service review 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:02.519 was to see if there were areas we could 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:07.159 exit and save money for other uses 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.120 will this be the case after the 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:11.559 transition period and and all the the 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:14.320 various I'm titing up the wrong word 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:18.279 but conclusion acts that will be 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.360 needed yeah true Mr Mayor I'll try and 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:23.000 answer this in Broad terms without going 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:26.039 into any specifics but there are 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.200 several overhead costs associated with 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:29.639 providing this service that aren't 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:31.720 adequately accounted for and some of 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:33.960 those will be genuinely recoverable 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:36.799 costs and some of those won't be because 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:38.240 they're also absorbed into other 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:40.759 functions that Council undertakes so 00:12:40.840 --> 00:12:43.039 there there will likely be some real 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:45.240 Financial returns but not necessarily to 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:47.759 the same extent fully that might be 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:50.240 expected to to sort of offset the direct 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:53.720 cost would this have been a separate 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:58.320 entity canc Allen thank you Mr Mayor 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.600 my concern Mr May is that we have 142 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:04.240 clients in the ND system at the 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:07.080 present time could I just seek some 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.159 reassurance that those people that we're 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:10.639 confident that those people will get 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:13.120 adequate care and similar to care to 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.559 what they're getting now 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:21.600 please D you Mr May 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:26.279 we can be confident from the review 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:28.240 that the consultant undertook and from 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:30.639 our eii process that we undertook that 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:34.600 there's ample other providers out 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:36.360 there who are willing and able to take 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:38.480 on new clients in both support 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:40.200 coordination and plan management which 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:43.120 we currently service 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.679 I can't guarantee to you what the 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:49.000 level of service those organizations 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:51.279 will provide because they're individual 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:54.320 businesses and it's not our role to my 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:59.039 my role to I guess comment the the 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.399 quality of those organizations but we do 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:05.279 know that there are yeah enough other 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:06.679 organizations out there who have 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:08.679 expressed interest in taking on new 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:11.240 clients and supporting new clients that 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:12.879 there will be other options for our 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:14.080 existing 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:17.440 clients Kel s 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:22.200 question yes to you Mr May through my 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:24.399 previous job and the 16 years that I've 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:27.480 spent on Council I am very much aware of 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:29.759 the needs of families and aging because 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:32.600 I'm one of them now of course and 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:37.039 disability so Morris and L low 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:42.480 actually did the analysis 94 pages of it 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:44.480 and they were the consultants and they 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:47.399 investigated and recommended the review 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:49.840 but it was the staff and it was Miss 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:52.639 Harrison's Mrs Harrison's wonderful 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.240 staff who are left with the wash up and 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:58.320 I think they have done as good a job as 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:00.399 they could Poss possibly do and they 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.240 have you know consulted with very 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:06.240 many people and once again as Council 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:10.480 O'Neal said our staff receive rave 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:13.759 reviews from everyone so congratulations 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:17.159 to them as well thank you Mr Mayor I 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:19.279 have a couple of questions one is very 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:21.519 similar to council and you mentioned 142 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:23.000 clients how many have we actually 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:24.799 transitioned out already since we first 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:26.919 set the first crop of letters out or 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:28.240 have they all wanted to remain with 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:30.399 Council 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.159 through you Mr Mayor I don't have that 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:35.519 nber with me exactly we haven't 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:37.840 actively encouraged or tried to 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:40.519 transition anyone out we have informed 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:42.320 our clients that there's a review 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:44.879 process going on and that Council is 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:46.559 considering whether this service will 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.240 continue or not we haven't actively 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:52.360 promoted anyone to transition having 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:54.720 said that our nbers do fluctuate over 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:57.600 time but from what I understand it's 00:15:57.679 --> 00:15:59.519 been minimal if 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:02.960 like it hasn't been much so just want to 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:04.399 make sure for the communities notice 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:06.919 that our the service that we provide is 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:09.000 a Management Service not a daycare 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:10.320 Service as 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:12.399 such yes so we provide support 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:14.600 coordination and plan management 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:16.480 which works with individuals to help 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:18.840 them access the services they need our 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:20.960 staff don't go into people's homes and 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:25.360 provide care services 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:28.120 or or other support people currently 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:29.840 receiving those dayare services will 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:31.759 still continue receive those from their 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:33.120 provider all that will change is the 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:35.080 management of their account if they 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.639 transition out through you Mr Mayor that 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:39.879 will depend on the client and their new 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:44.799 provider we have in the eii that we 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:47.080 put out to the market to check if there 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:48.679 was interest in other people taking on 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:51.080 clients we did including that that 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:53.399 our preference was that our existing 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:55.840 clients retained their existing supports 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:57.720 if they move to a new provider so that's 00:16:57.799 --> 00:16:59.799 been made clear but I can't guarantee 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:01.120 you that that will happen it will be up 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:02.639 to the individual participants to 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:04.160 arrange that with their new 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:07.440 provider and just one last question is 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:08.759 and it's probably more of a compliment 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:10.680 than a statement we've all received 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:12.799 nerous emails from people that 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:15.039 council's been providing this support to 00:17:15.119 --> 00:17:17.160 greatly saying that they've received 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.200 far better better from the council staff 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:21.640 and it's a big compliment to you and 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:23.319 your staff and the people who have been 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:24.839 been running this since the ndi has 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:26.960 started how confident are you that the 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:28.400 other smaller providers who have come in 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:29.880 the market and I know a lot of them have 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:31.839 just got one or two clients that they 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:35.680 can continue to provide that level of 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:39.880 service through you Mr Mayor 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:43.240 again I I can't comment I I don't think 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:44.839 it's my place to comment on the level of 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:47.240 service that other providers provide 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:49.400 what I can tell you is that our staff 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:51.440 have and do provide a high level of 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:55.519 service they can do that because as 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:58.319 as a part of council their focus is on 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:00.960 the client it's not on the bottom line 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:03.319 or on running a business other 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:06.079 organizations may have a different Focus 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.359 through the eoi there were a range of 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:10.279 businesses that put forward eois in 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:13.759 terms of size and scale smaller 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:16.599 larger 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:19.319 another local government organization 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:22.640 also expressed some interest so there 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.759 are a range of other options available 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.000 but yeah I I can't guarantee for you 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:31.680 what level of service each of those 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:35.039 organizations will provide so a question 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:38.200 in regard to council griffs prop I 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:39.079 don't know whether she's going to 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:40.960 propose that Amendment but the CEO's 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:42.880 already spoke about the 30th of June 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:44.680 that there be some cost implications 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:47.200 what about from the staff perspective do 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:48.960 we still have the staff resources to the 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:51.400 30th of June to do that or where we up 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:53.319 to with staff resources around this 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:54.839 because it's quite a complicated matter 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:57.519 for our staff to how we're going to tr 00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:58.720 transition them and they at the 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:00.400 Forefront of my mind here when we make a 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:01.559 decision 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:05.319 so through you Mr Mayor I haven't 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:08.480 spoken to the team about that as an as 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:10.640 an idea as in 30 June being a potential 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:14.319 end date for ndis my assption and I 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:15.920 don't want to put words in anyone's 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:18.680 mouth is that I think we could work 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:21.839 with that from a staff perspective 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:23.839 however I haven't had the conversation 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:25.400 with the team but 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:28.759 I yeah 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:31.119 questions oh sorry Mr yeah three Mr May 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:32.799 if I can just add to that I'm 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:34.119 comfortable to say this in the public 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:36.160 domain that our Workforce providing 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.559 these services are a mixture of 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:41.480 permanent and fixed term contract staff 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:44.720 so in understanding how that would 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:46.400 impact our team overall it isn't 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:48.279 something that's easy to just answer 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:50.200 here and say well it will have this 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:53.079 consequence what I I don't want to 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:54.839 speak too much on behalf of our sta but 00:19:54.920 --> 00:19:57.839 what I would say is certainly in a date 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.720 one sort or another we'll help them plan 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:03.200 and help us plan so we would do our best 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:05.079 to accommodate whatever transition date 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:06.960 Council came up with and 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:09.559 I'm from my perspective I would asse 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:11.880 that a longer lead time is only going to 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.480 be perceived as a positive from a staff 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:17.680 perspective thanks Mr Mayor just a 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:19.519 factual question it was mentioned Miss 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:22.759 Harrison about consultation with an 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:24.680 midn North Coast Council that's going 00:20:24.759 --> 00:20:26.680 through a similar process and I think 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:29.079 it's always really useful to make that 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:33.599 comparison are you able to say which 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:38.480 Council three Mr May yes because they 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:40.880 have may have a public resolution 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:43.480 from that Council so it's it's Mid Coast 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:48.680 Council they yeah they they run a a 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:54.440 business what do you call it area 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:57.400 called Mid Coast assist they they 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:00.759 provide different service still aged 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:02.200 disability and aged care services but 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:04.000 they also provide inhome services not 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:07.240 just plan management like 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.359 us so Council Griff are you happy to 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:12.119 move that or know you've suggested yeah 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:14.559 I mean I I would like to move it I'm 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:16.839 happy to move it I'd like to suggest 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:20.240 that we just put the two in line I 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:22.039 guess change the date on change the date 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:24.920 to 30th of June and align it with 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:27.200 brighter Futures in recognition that 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:30.119 that even though they're very different 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:32.720 common home support program by 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:37.799 November 30 that that's fine 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.799 yeah coun name coun Griff your motion 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:46.839 you like to speak to it oh I'll speak 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:49.599 briefly because I think it's very key to 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:52.160 have the feedback that several have 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.359 given councilor SE and the like of of 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.440 the emails we've got to support what 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:02.119 the staff have been doing through you 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.880 know covid and through really difficult 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:06.920 conditions because of their commitment 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:08.319 so therefore one 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:11.000 asses changing careers for them is 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:13.480 not or if that's entailed or going to a 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:16.880 new provider won't be necessary easy 00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:20.039 in supporting this I just want to also 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:22.680 make clear as far as my understanding I 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:25.680 was going to put it as a question but 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:27.400 this hasn't been proposed that the 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:30.079 council stop providing these Services 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:33.519 because we're saving money in fact my 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:35.519 understanding is that say a program like 00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:37.920 brighter Futures actually brings a lot 00:22:38.000 --> 00:22:40.480 of money to council so it's possible 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:43.680 that it's neutral and it could even be 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.440 you know not necessarily financially 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:48.799 in our favor I say it because Pro the 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:51.319 councilors have had you know some 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:55.319 very poignant emails from clients I 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:57.640 guess about their concerns 00:22:57.720 --> 00:22:59.640 understandably but and there's sometimes 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:01.799 an implication of oh that that this is 00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:04.359 somehow a cost-saving I I don't believe 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:06.759 so and because we're in a small 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:10.039 community we do get to speak to you know 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:14.279 clients of ndis and the like and I 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:18.079 think you know generally speaking we 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:19.759 we're hoping as Miss Harrison has 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:22.720 alluded without being able to make iron 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:24.920 tight guarantees that there are 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:27.079 providers that are going to provide a 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:29.720 sensitive and appro apprpriate services 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:31.880 in terms of some of the clients and 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:34.400 their needs and I understand possibly in 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:37.079 brighter Futures that the client's needs 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.920 are such that the council that we run 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:43.640 may not be able to be able to look after 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:46.079 the needs of and the risks associated 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:47.759 with some of those clients and so 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:50.640 there'd be multiple reasons as 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:52.799 alluded to in some of Morrison Law's 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.200 report so I think the council has all 00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:59.799 recognized it's a big move and it's 00:23:59.880 --> 00:24:01.960 sensitive and some people will feel very 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:04.640 unsettled by it but in the time provided 00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:07.880 and with the guarantees that each person 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:10.759 of the the clients will be assisted 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:13.279 in that transition and the staff 00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:16.119 compensated appropriately then I think 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:19.440 it's the right thing to do counc 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:22.359 speaking against the 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:24.440 recommendation Council n you wish to 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:27.279 speak for your second 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.039 motion can I just complement the STA in 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:31.440 the way that this has been handled over 00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:33.279 the past well there's actually two 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:34.839 reports into this the most recent one 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:37.200 was the Morrison low one which was 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:40.160 excellent by the way and and just the 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:41.920 way that it's been handled publicly 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:46.359 internally as well and certainly the 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:49.240 the process has been very professional 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:54.079 and and all of the in in the Morrison 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:56.960 low report all of the assptions 00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:59.000 have turned out to be true with the with 00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:00.759 the where the market was where the aois 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:05.000 were at and so I think you know thank 00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:06.559 the councilors as well for the respect 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.839 for the bank than speaker 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.039 again counc you'd like to speak to the 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:16.319 motion 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:18.799 yeah I'm asking to speak on this 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:20.240 because I've I've got a slightly 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:21.920 different take on it than the Mover of 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.799 the motion I think we can free up 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:28.319 some resources in Council by making this 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:32.160 very difficult hard decision we know 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:34.319 we're under such extraordinary Financial 00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:36.440 strain that the council can't do 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:39.079 everything that it is currently doing we 00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:41.359 have to set some priorities they've got 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:43.880 to be the most urgent the highest value 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:46.240 ones which means that sometimes we're 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:47.960 going to have to stop doing things that 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:50.559 we are actually proud of because other 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:53.119 people can step in and do them so the 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:56.079 reason I'm voting for this despite the 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:57.799 fact that I know we give such a high 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:00.160 quality service in this much sped area 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:01.640 and despite the fact I belong to the 00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:02.799 labor party and I believe that 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:04.240 government does do a lot of things 00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:07.160 better is because there is so much 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:10.440 urgent need in other areas and I asked a 00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:13.640 question about child care because for me 00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:15.759 that is such an urgent need that only 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:19.039 the council can do something about if 00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:21.480 these decisions today mean that we can 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:24.039 free up some of the overheads time the 00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:26.640 management the planning time in the 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:28.799 council plus a bit of cash that'll be 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:31.960 good too we can turn our minds to 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:34.519 some of the most urgent priorities I 00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:37.519 don't know how the reforms of the ndis 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:39.759 are going to go in years to come but 00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:41.920 that is so far out of the council's 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:43.960 level that I think it is time to make 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:46.960 this decision and in a way pass back 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:48.839 what we've been doing to the levels of 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:51.160 government that are truly responsible 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.559 for this scheme and making sure it works 00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:56.319 well for the clients that are in our 00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:59.079 area I'm sure that the Council staff and 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.279 all of us counselors will want to stay 00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:03.079 in touch and keep a relationship with 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:04.599 the people who've been involved in it in 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:07.079 this Council both clients and staff 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:09.640 because as it's come out in this debate 00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:13.000 we are so proud of the work we have done 00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:15.559 but I do think that this set of 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:18.799 reviews if it frees up an ability for us 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:21.640 to reset our priorities in this level of 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:23.920 social care and service to the people of 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.000 bigger Valley particularly the young 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:27.799 families who are struggling to get to 00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:31.039 work struggling to pay off mortgages I 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:33.359 think we can say that we are doing a 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:35.720 good job so I'm supporting the 00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:39.200 resolution thanks councel no speaker 00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:41.599 against there's no need for wrer reply 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:43.119 if there's no speaker against councelor 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.240 gri I just wanted to clarify that I 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:48.319 wasn't saying there'd be no savings I 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:50.720 just said that was not our motivation 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:53.720 for this I'm also not a huge fan of the 00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:56.440 Morrison Law report but anyway I'm happy 00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:58.559 to commend the res 00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:01.799 to I'll put the Mo motion to the 00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:03.960 floor those in 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.039 favor carried unanimously Council i' 00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:08.759 just like to make a statement around it 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:11.440 please like today's decision hasn't been 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:13.759 an easy one and in a perfect world as a 00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:15.599 councils we'd all love to continue this 00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:17.279 if we had the financial resources and 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:19.000 the capability to continue to do it and 00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:20.799 provide it for our community that's not 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:23.160 the case so as councils we need to weigh 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:25.480 up what we'd like to do with what we can 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:28.720 do the aim of the review was to consider 00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:30.160 where the council should be providing 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:32.519 these Services into the future when we 00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:34.720 started providing these Services many 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.400 years ago there were only limited 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:39.240 suppliers and other providers there we 00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:41.960 filled the Gap and we filled it well 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:43.359 however the market has changed since 00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:44.920 then and there are now many other 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:46.200 options available to support our 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:48.240 community so in making this decision 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:50.079 today I would like to acknowledge the 00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.200 exceptional service and commitment of 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:54.279 the staff in the families Aging and 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:56.359 Disability Services team and there some 00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:58.480 up with May here today 00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:00.160 they have worked harly over many years 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.400 to support to provide the support to 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:04.799 those who need it most today's decision 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:06.559 is not about the quality of the services 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:08.720 they provide is clear from all the 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.039 feedback that we've received from the 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:12.759 clients that they've always put the 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.279 clients first the decision is about 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.160 whether Council as a local government 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.480 organization is best place to deliver 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:21.400 these Services I'd like to thank the 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:22.720 staff for their dedication and 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:24.640 commitment to supporting council's 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:26.720 National disability insurance scheme the 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:28.559 Comm home Support Program 00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.079 and future brighter Futures clients over 00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:32.960 the many years and I know they will all 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:35.079 continue to put their clients first as 00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.240 we move through the transition Pro 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:39.440 process I know this change will be 00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:40.759 difficult for many of our clients but I 00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:43.000 also know that our staff will do their 00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.519 utmost to help our clients transition to 00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.680 to new providers as seemingly as 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.759 possible so to the staff in the room I 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.559 thank you thank 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.960 you item 8.2 the M of understanding 00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:00.039 between Aboriginal land councils 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:05.599 question can right now 00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:09.119 the the question is is could you let 00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:10.680 us know when you'll be updating the 00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:12.799 action plan I know the one that is still 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:15.720 being acted on is dated 2022 Miss 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:19.279 Harrison three Mr Mayor yes once the 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:22.359 mou is endorsed and we know that is this 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.759 is the m that we're now working on we 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.279 will create a new implementation plan to 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:29.920 support that I actually have one in 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.319 draft but due to the ongoing changes 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.880 with the it became apparent I was 00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.480 supposed to wait until we were had the 00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:41.440 final and then I can refine that 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:43.880 implementation plan I will just note 00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:45.559 that staff have still been doing a lot 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.039 of work in the background and the update 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:50.440 in there the progress updated attachment 00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:52.920 3 even though that is an old 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:54.759 implementation plan the work has been 00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:56.839 ongoing we've been adding to it and it's 00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:58.839 current as well so we haven't just been 00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.000 waiting we've been progressing a lot of 00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:03.400 work but we will develop a new 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:04.680 implementation plan over the next few 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:07.160 months to align with the new 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:09.720 Mi and I'll second the motion thank 00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.440 you thanks any further questions 00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:17.440 councilors councilor s 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:21.440 question I have been a member of the 00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.680 biomer board of management for many 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.160 years so I have been lucky enough to 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.119 work with a lot of aage oral people in 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:31.880 the valley and I think I would like to 00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:35.519 congratulate M Harrison again because 00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:37.720 bringing it all together has often been 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.079 difficult because they like disperse 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.039 groups and I think you've been 00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:46.160 absolutely marvelous getting it 00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:48.079 through for the motion all those in 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:49.799 favor 00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:52.839 move thanks counil automate point3 drop 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.759 W Lake Coastal Management program 00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:57.920 recommendation councilors any questions 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.039 to go on display to be exhibited 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.480 councelor Allen thank you Mr Mayor in 00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:06.279 the report it says that the proposed 00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:10.759 amendment to the be Valley B BVD CP 00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:14.319 2013 flood and Z level rise as detailed 00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.960 in the attachment to Aims in case the 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:20.680 aims are DOT point1 to reduce the impact 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.799 of flooding and flood liability on 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.640 owners you're up to 8.4 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:33.319 Council next time next time my 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.079 apologies Council n happy to remove on 00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.480 item 8.3 the council public exhibit the 00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:41.599 W draft W plan Council second second it 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.319 all those in favor carried unanimously 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:48.160 8.4 here's your questions coun my apolog 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.799 then then I'll I'll from you because I 00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:55.400 jped the gun so I got most of that 00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.920 R did two a two of the five aims to 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.240 reduce the impact of flooding and flood 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:02.839 liability on owners and occupies of 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.519 flood prone land and to reduce private 00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:09.039 and public losses from flooding fine I 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.319 don't have an issue with the ambition 00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:12.640 but I'm just wondering how the hell we 00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.920 measure those objectively in terms of 00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:17.640 when a flood comes it just comes and you 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:20.000 can't do anything about it so like it's 00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.079 not nice to have the ambition it's 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:23.200 another thing to 00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:25.319 measure whether we actually achieve the 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:28.400 ambition 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:33.359 through you Mr May the changes to the 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.480 development control development 00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.079 control plan are around making it 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.039 clearer for property owners who live in 00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:43.039 flood areas as to what they need to do 00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.480 if they want to develop their land 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.119 that takes into account the the 00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:50.359 potential impacts from a flood you're 00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.400 right in that we can not predict exactly 00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:55.200 what will happen in every situation but 00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:59.279 using modeling we are able to I guess 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.880 plan for what we think is a a possible 00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:04.640 scenario and do what we can to minimize 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.119 the risk and and the impact of flooding 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:10.199 from that and the the rationale for 00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:12.519 putting more information into the DCP is 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:16.199 to allow developers Builders owners to 00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:18.760 understand upfront and more clearly what 00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:22.000 those impacts for them are and what 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:23.199 the requirements will be for their 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.840 development if they are in a flood 00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:28.519 area my question it's when I asked at 00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:30.360 the workshop the other day and I asked 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:31.639 several times I have a lot of problems 00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:35.440 with fpcc mapping I've brought a 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.880 motion to council that would be Workshop 00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:40.599 some time ago when I had concerns 00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:42.559 raised at P about flooding levels now at 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.880 P that mapping I believe Wason exp 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:48.239 Wason on exhibition with this it was the 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:51.159 old mapping so at the moment what surity 00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.320 do we have as counselors of what the 00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.039 effects will be of the new mapping tied 00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:57.000 with the new policy when they haven't 00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:00.079 been actually exhibited together through 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.119 you Mr Mayor we haven't actually 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:04.440 changed the mapping through this process 00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:06.159 so the flood studies that have been done 00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:08.599 previously and been adopted by Council 00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:12.079 have identified areas that are within 00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:14.760 the flood mapping what this process 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.440 does it doesn't change that mapping so 00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:19.719 it's not putting new refers adoption of 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.599 policy continues to refer to the fpcc 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:24.440 mapping which is not the mapping that we 00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:26.760 currently rely on so what we are doing 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:28.519 and Miss h might be able to add more 00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:32.079 detail if if required we have created 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.760 a new platform or way to sh share 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:37.480 that mapping with the community so at 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.039 the moment the maps that we have that 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:40.320 have been adopted as part of flood 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:42.599 studies are PDFs on our website in 00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:44.760 different areas this is looking at 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.440 having a GIS or a technical solution 00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:49.880 where Property Owners developers can 00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:51.760 actually find that information 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.000 themselves much more easily to see where 00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:59.280 their property is within that the 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.400 the modeling the the level that we've 00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:05.840 used in the policy sorry I'm just 00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.760 finding the page where we refer 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:12.280 to so the policy applies a sea Lev rise 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.039 Benchmark that was established in the 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:16.239 former New South W sea Lise policy 00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:20.400 statement which was based on the SSP 5- 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.679 8.5 that is the same level that we have 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.159 used in our flood studies to date it 00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:28.320 underpins all the modeling we've done to 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.719 this point it's not a new level that 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:33.920 we've used for this piece of work 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:35.880 previously we used the pmf flood mapping 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.400 which is your 100 one in 100 years 00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:40.719 mapping now we going to a new mapping 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:42.960 that's what my argent is is the fpcc 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:44.599 mapping is totally different and we're 00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:46.920 adopting a policy based on the FPC 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:48.400 mapping that we don't know what where 00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:50.320 the limits are 00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.800 at so how what worries me is the nber 00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:55.960 of Das that'll actually be created by 00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:58.280 adopting this mapping now and that we're 00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:00.280 actually creating a whole lot of extra 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.400 work for ourselves lot down along the 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:04.639 line through you Mr Mayor I'll ask miss 00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:06.039 hanock our planning and sustainability 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:07.960 manager to give you some more detail 00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:09.360 thanks sorry 00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.519 s you Mr Mayor no that is correct the 00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.679 mapping hasn't changed we the flood 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:17.440 studies that have been adopted by 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:20.639 Council had the full range of mapping 00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:23.280 right through the pmf also a nber 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:26.079 of scenarios based on sea level rise 00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.159 the one one in 100 flood one in 20 00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:31.679 one in five so all of that has already 00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:34.719 been adopted by Council the policy is to 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:38.440 break up those areas to say if you're 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:40.599 doing a certain type of development in 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:43.519 this area if it's a high risk like a 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.840 hospital then the these areas may be 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.159 inappropriate for that development if 00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.039 you're building a a house you might need 00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:54.239 to think about how do you get Road 00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:57.760 access to your property so if I gu under 00:37:57.840 --> 00:37:58.920 the 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.920 fpcc the one in 100e flood level and I 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.159 would use a biger showr as an example 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:06.480 under the new FPC one similar to what I 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.159 brought up at pay about the hemman 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:10.440 property where they have to have access 00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:12.239 That Couldn't classify as an evacuation 00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:16.000 Center because it actually be in the 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:19.559 floodline sorry through you Mr Mayor so 00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:21.199 so worries me adopting the policy that's 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:24.199 what I'm so that is not different in 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:27.840 terms of the current adopted flood 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:32.039 science what the policy does is to we 00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:34.239 would hope help to really clearly 00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:38.559 explain to developers and Consultants 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.559 that this is the type of response 00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:42.800 that needs to come in with those 00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:44.599 development applications we currently 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.480 tell developers this now the policy is 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:50.119 to make it very clear to anybody that 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:52.039 this is the standard that they should 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:53.719 expect when they put in an application 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:55.760 to council but it will change blocks 00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:57.360 that currently could be complied 00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.159 developments under a CDC and now have to 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.039 have a full da because of the flood 00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:05.519 levels through you Mr Mayor the the 00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:08.000 change to flood control Lots will will 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.320 not change to existing parameters there 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:11.880 are currently flood control lot 00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:13.920 Provisions that that you are correct 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.079 turn off complying development we have 00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:18.159 not broadened that and we have actually 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.519 in the Amendments councilors will see we 00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:22.880 have clarified that it was certainly not 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.280 the intent of the policy to change flood 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:27.960 control lots and that has been clarified 00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:29.840 in the attachments before you 00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.400 today councilors I'll stop any further 00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:34.840 questions councilors councelor 00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.679 Griff thanks yes my question was 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:41.840 about the year of the 00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:45.280 predicted sea level rise policy 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:47.840 statement which I know we can only go on 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:49.880 what I suppose most of the state 00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.480 government is using but it's 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:58.519 2009 it seems like a lot no this is 2009 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:00.599 it's it seems like a lot has changed 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:03.800 since then in terms of predictions of 00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.360 sea level rise so I'm just looking 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:10.440 at and I know that that 2009 prediction 00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:13.519 goes up to I yeah for several years 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:17.199 ahead but yeah so what is the latest and 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:22.199 when might that be updated do you think 00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:31.320 so through you Mr Mayor that scenario 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:35.760 or that that modeling is still what we 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:37.559 would say is the best science or the 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.280 best modeling available for us to 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:41.440 underpin our flood study and Coastal 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:43.719 Hazard studies and it does it underpins 00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.840 all of our studies to date it is a 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.599 scenario that looks 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:54.039 at a range of situations I guess it's 00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.199 definitely not a a doomsday worst case 00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:58.840 scenario but is what we think is a 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.079 reasonable scenario that we should be 00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:04.199 able to plan for and mitigate and 00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:05.519 work 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:07.639 towards the current emission 00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.079 trajectories are trending as forecast by 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.559 the 8.5 scenario as a subsequent 00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:14.719 increases in global average temperatures 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.239 So based on what we know at the moment 00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:20.119 we think it is still a very relevant 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:25.000 and valid scenario and nber that 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:27.880 we should be using we will keep 00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:29.880 looking at that managing climate 00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:32.119 change essentially or sorry climate 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.440 change driven changes to Natural hazards 00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:35.880 is essentially a risk management 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:37.519 exercise so it's something that we need 00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:39.440 to keep looking 00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:42.800 at and we do need to make sure when 00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:44.079 we look at land use planning and 00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.079 infrastructure decisions that potential 00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:47.679 future risk are taken into account in a 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:49.519 sensible and science-based way so right 00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.840 now that 8.5 is still the what I 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:54.639 would say is accurate and what we should 00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:56.480 be working towards and if that changes 00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:58.880 then that might that that will change in 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.119 the 00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:03.920 future another 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.280 question yeah I would I don't have the 00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:08.519 figures at my fingertips as I should 00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:11.400 have because I think particularly what 00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.280 you just said about temperature rises 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:17.440 being in as expected I would have 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:19.920 thought that's not the case at all and 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:21.800 2009 is a long while ago in climate 00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.360 change land but my question is just 00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:26.760 about burmi there was a statement in the 00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:28.880 report thought that the department of 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:30.840 climate change and all of its other 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:34.679 lengthy name was not accepting of the 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:38.719 burmi study because the full flood study 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.159 had not been complete and I just wonder 00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:43.599 when that might be done that flood study 00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.960 for 00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:48.599 burmu through you Mr Mayor the burmu 00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:50.599 flood study is subject to funding at the 00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:52.519 moment so we we don't have funding for 00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:54.360 it it's something we know we want to 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:56.719 do but without funding we can't progress 00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.280 it at the stage so the sea level rise at 00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:01.239 0.9 that's mentioned in the report that 00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:03.840 only applies to the ocean Outlet portion 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:07.760 doesn't apply right up rivers to them up 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.559 histories sorry Mr Mayor I didn't catch 00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:13.840 the beginning of your question on the 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:15.559 sea level rise part of the report it's 00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:18.039 got an increase of 0. n of a meter so 00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:19.760 that only applies at the ocean entrance 00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.960 not right up the river that's in 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.840 terms of the the mapped Coastal area 00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:29.199 under the state Provisions so it does 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.000 include indry areas but in th in 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:34.679 those mapped 00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.039 areas yeah three Mr M just to add to 00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:38.519 that in the modeling that gets done 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:42.800 around flood impacts they do factor 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.480 in what any impact of sea level 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:47.800 change would be on the ability of 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:50.440 flushing of waterways to so it does 00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:53.119 actually have some projected sea level 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:55.000 rise does have some impact on future 00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:57.159 projected flood Behavior too is that the 00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:59.840 interfaces and then that backup effect 00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:02.519 so and then the other part is then the F 00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:04.440 flood event which we've had plenty of 00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.039 over the years the change to 05 of a 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:09.000 meter how will that impact us for 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:10.719 disaster recoveries and what's declare 00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:13.119 the disaster if the defined flood event 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.440 rate is actually higher now or the level 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:17.000 of is actually higher than what the 00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:20.559 current defined defined flood Val 00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.920 is through you Mr Mayor just it's 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.079 a good point Thank you and we have 00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:27.840 sought to clarify ify that in the 00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:29.599 definitions in the Amendments that are 00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:31.639 before you today the flood the defined 00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:33.639 flood event is the flood event it's the 00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:34.960 one in 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.400 100 level where it's defined 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.079 as and then the flood planning level is 00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:42.199 where we put a benchmark of floor 00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.039 level on top of that so in a residential 00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:47.199 context that's an additional half a 00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:50.239 meter that has always been the case 00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.719 this policy actually includes 300 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:55.519 millimeters for commercial in a 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:57.920 commercial development which we haven't 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:02.239 articulated before so those some 00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:03.440 commercial developments that may be in 00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:06.280 that s will have to be built up 300 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.719 Ms through you Mr Mayor to date that 00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:12.480 has been a merit assessment on 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:16.360 each case and 00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:20.239 you know for for examp example 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.880 access to some commercial properties 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:25.559 having their driveway entrance at the 00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:27.920 one in 20 year event has been suitable 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:30.159 and approved in the past so it's just 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.079 articul the policy setting is to 00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:34.639 articulate to developers what they need 00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:36.760 to address and then of course it's still 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.159 a merit assessment process for the Das 00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:42.880 that come before Council staff so Ruden 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:44.800 is any other councel sorry I should 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.119 councel Porter you get I got more 00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:49.880 questions but yes so my my question is 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:51.119 really around the nbers as well 00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.119 because I I did a little bit of research 00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:56.960 when I saw the SSP 5 8.5 being used as 00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.039 The Benchmark for this report and 00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.239 there's there's actually five 00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.039 different scenarios under this under the 00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:12.159 IP CC docents and it you know 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.039 they really go from a level of 400 parts 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.159 per million but the the this particular 00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:20.960 one the 8.5 is almost 1,200 So based on 00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:23.719 the the fact-based data in the 00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:26.679 University of New South Wales I think 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:29.400 it was you South wos Sydney was saying 00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:31.440 that current sea level rise they would 00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:35.440 expect it to be about 300 millimet 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:39.440 between now and 2100 but this is 00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:43.039 900 So based on the facts-based data 00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.239 this scenario I I do think it's like a 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.760 it really seems to be somewhat 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.639 exaggerated over the the fact-based data 00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:54.599 by about three times right now and I'm 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:58.559 wondering what effect from the the 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.480 predicted based on facts at 300 versus 00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:03.840 900 what difference that will make to 00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:07.199 the ability to build in 00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:13.679 plan May it's a it's a very complicated 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:15.320 question or answer and you what you've 00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:17.000 done there is you've picked the fact 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.599 that one particular data input into 00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:24.159 this is statistic it's based on 00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.119 statistical analysis and probability of 00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:27.519 different scenarios playing out now when 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.760 you overlay that with another layer of 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:32.320 the same sort of thing which is actually 00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.880 around rainfall intensity and flooding 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.119 and frequency of rainfall events you 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.400 start to get this mish mash of all kinds 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:42.639 of different scenarios so the answer is 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:44.559 you'd have to pay quite a bit of money 00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:46.400 to get that modeled to see what a 00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:48.199 different line on a map looks like under 00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:49.880 the scenario you've described compared 00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:52.599 to the one that's fed council's 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.320 decisions in its planning to dat you're 00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:56.480 right there would definitely be some 00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:58.360 different is not an easy thing to answer 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.400 like that you'd have to see what where 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:03.159 lines move on the topography I guess the 00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:05.239 big concerns I guess the big concern is 00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.000 are we disadvantaging somebody because 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:08.880 of an overestimate that would be the 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:11.639 that would be really be the issue yeah 00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:13.519 Mr May the answer to that is there are 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.679 potentially people that if we got it 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.840 wrong we might be impacting them one 00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:20.880 way if we were overly conservative but 00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.119 if we're under Conservative then the 00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:25.280 consequences could actually be quite 00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:27.400 worse and that's what's played out 00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:29.760 in a nber of areas particularly along 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:31.280 the coastline over the last sort of 00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:33.000 decade or so which is why state 00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:34.559 governments in particular in Queensland 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.119 and New South Wales have changed their 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.000 expectations around planning controls 00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:42.480 that council's put in place to do with 00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:44.360 flooding in particular but also a little 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:48.079 bit of sea sea Ro the uncertainty around 00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:50.559 the flood modeling inputs has been 00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:52.199 the thing that's driven that the most 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.280 more so in my opinion than sea level 00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:57.920 rise variations 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.880 El's any further questions I just have 00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:03.400 one in relation I just like some 00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:04.719 comments around the submissions we 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:06.480 received from our Land Development 00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:08.079 professionals who brought up some 00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:09.519 interesting points and some similar 00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.039 points their concern is that it's 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:16.360 going to create more lots that across 00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:18.880 more flood control Lots which prohibits 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.840 development but you state that that's 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:23.280 not the case in the staff comment is 00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:25.559 that correct that they're not if there's 00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:27.360 no ass says of I think if there's no 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:29.360 contemporary flood study or flood risk 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.039 risk management plan then study in place 00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:33.360 it's not considered to be a flood 00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:36.800 control lot to you Mr Mayor yes that is 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.079 correct and we do appreciate those 00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:41.679 comments coming through in submissions 00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:45.280 because it did cause staff to 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:47.800 reflect on what is the intention of that 00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.719 definition and it certainly wasn't to 00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:54.000 add additional flood control Lots so 00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.599 that's why we definitely agree that that 00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:58.719 needed to be clarified and and that's 00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:01.480 what you see before you we will always 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:04.159 assess proximity to creeks and drainage 00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.400 lines as part of any assessment process 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.440 but that does not mean that it needs to 00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:11.719 be classified as a particular flood 00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:15.800 control lot that's just part of a 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:18.199 normal assessment of Overland flow 00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:20.960 and storm water treatment mainly and the 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:22.480 other comment one of the other comments 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.559 I liked was that they said some 00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:26.679 insurance costs increased as a result of 00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:29.280 previous policy in flood control Lots 00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.159 I haven't heard of that being the case 00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:33.000 I've heard of people having trouble 00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:35.480 working at the new flood levels but 00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:36.920 has that been a case that we've had 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:38.440 complaints around 00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:41.000 that through you Mr Man not that I have 00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:44.199 personally received or am aware of 00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:46.800 but again that was certainly not the 00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:48.760 intention of the definition and it's 00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:51.079 good to clarify 00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:53.280 that councilors you have the staff 00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:56.360 recommendation 00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:58.599 councelor Griff councelor 00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:00.880 Robin Council Griff you wish to speak to 00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:03.480 it oh look only to say it's it's really 00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:04.920 good to hear the questions and the 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:06.480 council has gone through it because it 00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:08.800 is really complicated as Council of 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:10.440 Porter's questions and others have 00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:13.000 alluded to and it really is incredibly 00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.000 important and I've been I know coun 00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:17.559 or Neil and probably others have been to 00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:20.719 some of the workshop sessions where 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:22.599 the Consultants I think from 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.599 University of New South Wales or 00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:28.559 somewhere Miss anyway that are working 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:32.000 on this it it's very easy to think it 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:33.639 belongs you know in some sort of 00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:35.719 technical box but it's just incredibly 00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.360 important for everything from 00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.440 insurance of people's properties to you 00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:44.800 know our airport and our other low-lying 00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.360 you know that that area around kajy 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:48.880 which is why I was interested in the 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:52.039 burui so all 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:57.199 the yeah oh my my yeah I'm so worried 00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:59.239 about my third 00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:02.119 rental yes that just definitely needs 00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:05.920 its own study Cil oal but I think I I 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.679 still do worry I do I do think that the 00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:12.559 2009 figure is not you know a deal 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:14.760 and councilor Robin just sort of 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:16.480 whispered in my ear that new figures had 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:18.320 come out yesterday we haven't we won't 00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:21.440 so we won't so we won't so I'm just 00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:23.519 assing that the new science and 00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:27.559 figures as they arise and as we are 00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:29.679 part of the coastal 00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.280 management Council of the the councils 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:35.239 all up and down the coast I asse 00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.400 that we go and compare and learn from 00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.440 our experiences but certainly these 00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:44.440 are really vital issues for safety and 00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.599 dealing with climate change and I you 00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:50.079 recommend the support and the updating 00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:54.760 of this policy thanks councilor Griff 00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.239 the speaker against 00:52:57.320 --> 00:52:58.880 I'll speak against it just briefly and 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:00.920 there's nothing in relation to the staff 00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:02.199 I'm just still not convinced around the 00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:04.559 mapping the mapping to be used I think 00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:05.920 we need to provide certainty to our 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:07.880 community when they buy a property 00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:09.559 that's relying on mapping and on flood 00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:11.679 planning I've been through nerous 00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:13.159 complaints since the state government 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.800 had a one-sized fits-all flood policy 00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:17.679 around and I know Miss Harrison has 00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:19.199 probably been sick of me ringing her 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:21.440 saying this is rubbish how are we going 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:24.000 to fix this and things like that 00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:26.480 because of no fold of our planning staff 00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:29.079 anyone else the flood mapping is hasn't 00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:30.880 been correct it's great to hear that we 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:33.320 could have you know proper mapping with 00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:36.480 you know go coordinates and everything 00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:38.320 in place that we know where the limits 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:41.440 are but at the moment in my life 00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:44.480 everyone works off the one 100e flood 00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.719 policy this starts to change that and we 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.440 keep referring to it in in the policy 00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:51.159 itself so I'm I'm not actually quite 00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:53.559 happy yet to to develop it I agree with 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:55.760 it contents but I'm not ready to adopt 00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:57.840 it so that's just as far as I'm willing 00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:02.599 to go at the present time get speak of 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:06.960 four it's more of a statement than 00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.719 speaking for the problem with the one in 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:15.000 100 year flood zone it's it's broken 00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:18.679 every year oh it's so many years so many 00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:20.800 times in the when supposed to have it 00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:23.719 once every hundred years and I know from 00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:27.280 the past 20 years it's been broken many 00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:29.960 many times I really think this must be 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:33.199 like a can of worms to anyone trying to 00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:34.559 establish 00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:37.800 the you know proper Mark or proper 00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:40.599 Heights Etc so just you know 00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:43.239 congratulations to you all for working 00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:45.519 on 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:50.880 it any other speak against canc G your 00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.639 reply yeah look I I certainly respect 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:55.639 the mayor's concerns and as I said I 00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:58.079 have some concerns about the sea level 00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:01.400 rise predictions I'm just assing 00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:04.280 that as we have been told that the 00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:07.760 data will be updated and that hopefully 00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:10.519 the one in 100 years issues will be 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:15.159 resolved my concern is if we don't 00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.559 accept this now we have we are going to 00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:19.960 be putting it into the lap of the next 00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:23.039 councilors who have had no real 00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:25.679 background in this and I'm just not sure 00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:28.679 what it might might open it up to so you 00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:30.679 know because of our timing I mean I'm 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.800 much more inclined to delay things or to 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.280 refine them if it were at a different 00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:39.960 point of our term but what I'd like 00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:42.360 to see is that you know really 00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.840 legitimate questions like the May's and 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:47.760 mine about the sea level rise are 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.039 taken into account in the near future 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:52.719 it's our job to follow up with further 00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:57.199 questions and so I I still would I 00:55:57.280 --> 00:55:59.440 would still Advocate that we go ahead 00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:01.599 with this in its present 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:04.840 format gr the motion all those in favor 00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.000 councelor gri councel Robin councel o' 00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:09.119 councelor SEO councelor rght those 00:56:09.199 --> 00:56:11.440 against councelor Porter councel Alan 00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:14.239 councel F patri Council nen motions 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:18.199 carried item 8.6 8.5 development 00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:21.679 application stats councilors just for 00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:24.840 noting the information contained counc 00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:28.039 one question just to clarify 00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:29.719 congratulations for bringing our times 00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:31.920 down just shows the value of tracking 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:33.800 because there's often good news in it as 00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:35.280 well as lessons to be learned about what 00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:36.800 to do next time but what I want to 00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:38.760 clarify is we know the state government 00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:40.519 is also tracking our performance as it 00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:43.000 is on every Council the figures look 00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:45.400 pretty different are we going to try 00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:47.119 and get in line with what the state 00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:49.400 government's tracking or keep a separate 00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:51.760 one and 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:55.039 why Miss Harrison you want me to answer 00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:58.159 here you Mr Mayor there are there's 00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:01.840 one key difference between the New 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:04.199 soub planning portals Council League 00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:08.079 table it is as it is as it is now called 00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:11.559 it reports on growth assessment time 00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:13.360 so that's from lodgment of an 00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:15.159 application through to 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:18.119 determination this reporting that we do 00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:20.920 we we do also include a gross 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:22.599 assessment time in there which is in the 00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:25.280 report but what we focus on is the 00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:27.960 average net processing time the 00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:30.000 difference between that and the gross 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:31.599 time is that we take out what we call 00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:34.239 stop clock days stop clock is when we've 00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:36.000 requested additional information from an 00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:38.159 applicant which means either they 00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:40.679 haven't provided something or we need we 00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:42.320 need further information it might be a 00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.159 further report that's when we stop 00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.119 the clock in terms of counting those net 00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:48.679 processing times because there's no 00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:51.239 further work that we can be doing and we 00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:53.199 need that extra information to come back 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:56.400 first one of the other there's a few 00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:58.239 minor differences between the way they 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:00.639 report to so our gross right now our 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:02.079 gross time is slightly different it's 00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:03.559 only a couple of days I think different 00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:06.159 to what the state government table shows 00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:08.440 they report on a financial year or 00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:10.760 calendar year our reporting is by 00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:12.159 quarter and then we do an end of 00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:13.840 financial year report so the point in 00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:16.400 time is slightly different they don't 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:17.719 include regionally significant 00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:18.760 development 00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:23.239 applications and our report includes 00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:24.760 withdrawn 00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:27.239 applications as well as approved and 00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:29.960 refuted applications we don't include 00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:31.840 modification applications because we 00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:33.719 feel they they could artificially skew 00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:37.239 the results I'm not exactly sure 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:39.360 where the state report fits with all 00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:42.159 of that Mr Harrison My question is is it 00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:44.039 possible to take out the when we refer 00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:45.960 to our estate agency and how long we 00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:47.679 wait for their replies to come back and 00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:50.119 take that off our da times if they 00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:51.920 want to monitor us why can't we monitor 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:54.320 them because most of our da time is 00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:58.440 three times their time and one time M 00:58:59.920 --> 00:59:03.119 time through you Mr Mayor I'm sure we 00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:05.559 could get that data because we know when 00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:06.840 we refer things and when we get 00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.719 responses back I do believe the state 00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:11.599 government is looking at those time 00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:14.840 frames as well so the planning unit and 00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:16.199 they've got a new name I'm sorry I've 00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:19.599 forgotten what it is but in releasing 00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:21.880 this Council League table they also 00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:23.519 committed that they were looking at the 00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:24.880 referral time frames for state 00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:26.960 government agencies I might want to 00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:28.280 answer it too because I know he brought 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:31.880 it up with the premier at a recent 00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:35.320 meeting it's through Mr Mayor there are 00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.840 a nber of issues that we have with how 00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:39.000 the state are reporting on the 00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:41.559 performance of local government and I 00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:43.360 know very well of a nber of councils 00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:45.440 in New South Wales that are now 00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:47.280 artificially changing their internal 00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:49.719 practices to improve the statistics that 00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:51.440 the state government are monitoring but 00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:54.239 that does not in any way improve 00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:56.519 outcomes to development or customer 00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:57.920 service to those people considering 00:59:58.000 --> 00:59:59.960 doing development so what I'm alluding 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:01.280 to there is rather than having an 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:03.360 approach of working constructively with 01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:05.679 potential applicants or applicants that 01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:08.320 have got Das in and and having a bit of 01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:11.760 leniency in time frames and quality 01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:13.360 of information coming in there are some 01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:15.880 councils just rejecting Das for 01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:18.000 trivial reasons to artificially keep 01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:21.079 their statistics down so I'd caution 01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:24.039 anyone that that looks at the state's 01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:26.360 comparative data and sees that as a 01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:28.400 realistic reflection of how councils are 01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:29.840 performing in dealing with development 01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:32.119 in their 01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:36.000 areas so the question is can cancel 01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:40.280 name on a more cheery note than techn 01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:43.559 technical measurement 01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:46.639 issues do I see in that a slight drop in 01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:49.880 activity I there sort of the nber 01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:51.599 and the value seems to be down in this 01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:53.880 quarter is that significant or just 01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:56.840 something that in an EB and Flow 01:00:56.920 --> 01:00:58.039 because it' be very interesting if 01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:00.920 there is a slight slow 01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:03.679 down through you Mr Mayor the nbers 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:05.800 do fluctuate each quarter which is why 01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.519 in that report I have kept in you know a 01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:09.840 nber of different quarters there for 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:13.119 you to compare to in this quarter 01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:16.119 just gone so that's April to June we did 01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:18.719 determine more Das than the last quarter 01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:21.880 we also received 110 new Das coming 01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.840 in in that quarter last quarter was 23 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:29.039 so I think overall if we look at this 01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:31.559 holistically we are seeing a reduction 01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:34.400 in Das coming in overall but not 01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:36.639 necessarily quarter by quarter and 01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:38.960 that's following a significant Peak that 01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:40.920 we had following the black smer bush 01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:44.000 fires covid and then just a general 01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:46.599 increase in 01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:49.599 development yeah thanks Mr M just to 01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:50.840 expand on that actually I was going to 01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:52.719 talk about the backlog well what I'm 01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:54.039 calling the backlog anyway the nber of 01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:56.400 undetermined Das which at the beginning 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:59.039 of last year was 20 almost 01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:02.039 60 still at 01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:05.840 210 are we are we chewing through 01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:07.559 because we're getting through them or is 01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:09.800 it just because of the drop you can see 01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:11.800 here in the first quarter of this year 01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:13.840 there was only 23 then there was 110 but 01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:19.159 we only processed 100 103 determined 103 01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:21.960 so there was an addition of seven there 01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.119 but there should have been a drop 01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:26.400 of 50 01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:30.599 in the first quarter yeah are we are 01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:32.639 we is is are we really making any 01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:34.400 Headway into this a nber of 01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:35.960 undetermined Das or are they just sort 01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:37.719 of sitting there is my first question 01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:39.480 and second is just to expand on what you 01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:42.199 were asking Helen about the estimated 01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:44.480 cost of construction are we starting to 01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:47.760 see you know sheds single dwelling 01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:49.239 rather than some of the big ones that we 01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:51.679 sto our year shoptop 01:02:51.760 --> 01:02:55.199 housing huge retirement villages that 01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.840 that kind of thing 01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:00.760 through you Mr Mayor at a broad level 01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:02.800 I can say that we are getting through 01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:04.440 the backlog the nber that you don't 01:03:04.519 --> 01:03:07.760 have in this report is what that backlog 01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.159 is so every time we're assessing a DA 01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:11.840 more dasas are coming in at this point 01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:15.440 we're assessing more than are coming 01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:19.880 in oh sorry yes yes but but because of 01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:22.480 the we assess some and more come in it's 01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:27.360 an ongoing flux that is still at this 01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:30.400 at this quarter last sorry first quarter 01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:33.440 of this January to March we had 229 now 01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:37.119 down to 209 January March last year 01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:38.880 was 259 so we are getting through the 01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:40.440 backlog but it definitely depends on how 01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:43.480 many new Das are coming 01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:51.480 in that sense 01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:55.400 yeah look it's we are getting through 01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:57.719 the 01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:06.840 y so the flying Squad definitely has had 01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:09.400 an impact they have now finished up 01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:12.239 and and no no longer doesn't exist 01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:13.920 anymore so I think and the nbers in 01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:16.880 here 74 Das we had determined by the 01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:19.760 flying Squad or all had their 01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:21.280 assessment substantially completed that 01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:25.000 was a huge bonus or help for us we've 01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:26.239 also had 01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:29.119 the Staffing shortages that you're 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:32.280 well aware of that we've spoken about 01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:36.440 we have filled to town planner positions 01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:38.880 but from other areas within Council so 01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:40.679 we've we've got gaps elsewhere now our 01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:42.440 graduate Town planner position is vacant 01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:44.360 and a strategic planner is vacant so 01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.079 we're I 01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:50.239 guess not quite at full capacity in that 01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:52.599 team still the extra resourcing that was 01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:54.679 put in there we've used for contractors 01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:58.360 and and other things to keep us going 01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:00.360 as best we can but I would say it is a 01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:02.960 mix of us investing the resources in 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:07.719 there and the da nbers decreasing a 01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:10.320 bit but it's a mix of both you 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:12.239 couldn't say one or the other it I am 01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.079 concerned that the cessation of the 01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:17.079 regional flying Squad will have an 01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:21.000 impact on USS next quarter but I won't 01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:23.000 know till next 01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:26.639 quarter 's already moved 01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:29.920 second you 01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:33.920 did now that you finish talking going be 01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:35.519 to shut up for a 01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:38.119 while put the motion all those in favor 01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:41.440 s not carried planning proposal for 8.6 01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:43.800 is proposal for rollinson Street beer we 01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:45.480 have the officer's recommendation most 01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:49.159 of us know all about this for 01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:52.039 fwell 01:05:52.119 --> 01:05:56.800 councel councelor S councelor nen 01:05:56.880 --> 01:05:58.679 any discussion or questions councilors 01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:00.599 before I put the motion put the motion 01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:03.199 all those in favor carried 01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:05.320 unanimously item 01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:08.599 8.7 M Harrison we had deputations 01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:10.760 today for and against this was there 01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:12.679 anything in the deputations that needs 01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:14.599 to be 01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:17.679 addressed through you Mr Mayor if 01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:19.719 I can just comment to to clarify a 01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:20.920 couple of things they were actually 01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:23.599 clarified during the deputations from 01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:25.480 other speakers but I think it's just 01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:27.840 important to put on the record before 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:29.199 you start then talking on that I'll just 01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:31.440 declare that I have a mind a non 01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:33.079 pecuniary interest that I'm a distant 01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:35.599 relative of the owner of the property Mr 01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:39.639 Gordon thank you I will stay back so 01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:41.239 through you Mr Mayor I did just want 01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:43.719 to clarify that the application is a 01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:47.639 clause 4.55 1A modification not a clause 01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:50.519 4551 modification the difference being 01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:53.280 the 1A is suitable because it allows 01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:55.480 for modifications with minor or minimal 01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:57.400 environmental impacts it's not saying 01:06:57.480 --> 01:06:59.840 it's a minor modification but the 01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:05.320 environmental impact is minimal the 01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.639 other point I just wanted to clarify was 01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:13.239 that the the report and the explains I 01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:15.679 guess the what has been done in terms 01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:18.960 of noise silica and the road and as 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:20.159 has been mentioned there is a 01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:22.679 requirement in the existing da that if 01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:25.920 the extension is supported would 01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:29.039 still be valid that the operator has 01:07:29.119 --> 01:07:31.519 to provide a yearly Road audit and we 01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:34.159 that will be done and if any updates are 01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:36.440 required to the road making sure we're 01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:38.440 talking about mine Road not mine Lane as 01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:40.360 the point was made that they will be 01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:43.559 made before the development 01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:48.039 commences questions 01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:52.719 councelors questions first any questions 01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:54.960 councel yeah I have a question and then 01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:58.920 would also like if C Council niden 01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:03.079 belted in I would like to recommend 01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:06.800 deferral of this motion for reason 01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:09.000 shadow shadow that motion or deferring 01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:10.880 it for the reason just Miss 01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:12.880 Harrison there were questions asked by 01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.199 the neighbors of the property about the 01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:19.560 environmental noise silica impacts that 01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:22.960 all seemed reasonable and in fact it 01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:25.000 seemed that both the applicant and maybe 01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:27.920 the staff have some of that information 01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:29.520 so and that was one reason I'm 01:08:29.600 --> 01:08:31.680 interested in deferral in that it seemed 01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:34.840 like certain information could be 01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:37.399 provided and the concerns were very 01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:40.279 legitimate that they had so I guess it's 01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:42.239 how many of those sorts of pieces of 01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:45.039 information noise and truck movements 01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:48.359 are available and then secondly just 01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:51.359 when it was approved in 01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:54.079 2011 presably some of those studies 01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:55.840 were undertaken 01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:58.520 then about the environmental noise and 01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:02.239 silica impacts and you know whether 01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:05.199 those have been provided or could be to 01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:08.079 the neighbors that are presented 01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:11.079 today so through you Mr Mayor the 01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:13.560 original da assessment did incl include 01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:16.199 a look consideration of those matters so 01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:19.359 noise traffic silica in their 01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:22.399 business paper it explains that the 01:09:22.479 --> 01:09:24.520 in relation to noise a detailed noise 01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:26.239 impact assessment was undertaken by 01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:28.000 acoustic Consultants as part of the 01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:30.079 original application that was presented 01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:31.239 to Council in 01:09:31.319 --> 01:09:34.840 2011 that assessment confirmed that 01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:37.239 the noise associated with the extractive 01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:39.239 industry would not exceed the standards 01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:41.279 detailed in the industrial noise policy 01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:43.199 and the environmental criteria for road 01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:48.359 traffic noise so that exists and that 01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.640 assessment or report is still valid 01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:54.520 if there are concerns about oh sorry and 01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:56.039 and the 01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:58.000 the existing approval has conditions to 01:09:58.079 --> 01:09:59.880 mitigate the potential noise impact like 01:09:59.960 --> 01:10:03.600 hours of operation days of operation 01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:05.920 that the operation should not give rise 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:08.680 to an offensive noise as defined in 01:10:08.760 --> 01:10:09.760 the protection of the environment 01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:12.600 operations act so there's 01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:15.920 definitely Protections in the 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:18.279 existing consent that would continue if 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:20.239 the extension is approved the 01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:23.159 modification is approved if there are 01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:26.960 concerns that the noise is in excess of 01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:30.920 what is allowed in the da that becomes a 01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:32.640 compliance matter which is separate to 01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:34.680 the DA assessment process and our 01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:36.880 compliance team could look at that to 01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:38.479 determine whether they are operating in 01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:41.079 accordance with the conditions of the 01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:46.680 consent in relation to flora and FAA 01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:50.560 the I'm just looking at the report so 01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:52.880 a property vegetation plan under the 01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:55.880 native vegetation act 2003 was endorsed 01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:58.520 as part of the existing approval and 01:10:58.600 --> 01:11:00.680 there are conditions in there relating 01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:03.199 to the prior prior to any clearing of 01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:05.319 land commencing what needs to be done in 01:11:05.399 --> 01:11:07.439 terms of entering a property vegetation 01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:10.880 plan 01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.439 and so they would they would continue 01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:14.800 and this 01:11:14.880 --> 01:11:16.760 modification doesn't look to change the 01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:18.960 footprint of the existing Quarry so that 01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:21.880 is still valid and and current in terms 01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:26.000 of traffic the as as part of 01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:29.520 da which I think I mentioned 01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:33.079 previously the the current approval 01:11:33.159 --> 01:11:35.439 requires that the 01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:38.239 applicant 01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:40.680 that they have to fully construct 01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:42.520 which has already been done and maintain 01:11:42.600 --> 01:11:44.920 at all times to council satisfaction a 01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.479 two-lane 6.4 meter wide [ __ ] sealed 01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:49.560 Road and the operator should submit to 01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:51.560 council a road audit report after each 01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:53.439 operational period for review and 01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:56.000 appropriate action as warranted so that 01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:58.119 would remain they would be required to 01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:00.439 maintain Mine Road to that level of 01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:02.840 standard the applicant has noted that 01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:05.359 a road order report hasn't been provided 01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:07.720 in accordance with the consent and 01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:09.560 they accept that they need to submit one 01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:11.680 and they have said that they will and if 01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:13.560 there's a action that needs to be taken 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:14.840 prior to the additional Works being 01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:16.399 undertaken in accordance with that road 01:12:16.479 --> 01:12:18.479 audit that they will however that is 01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:20.960 a compliance matter rather than being 01:12:21.039 --> 01:12:22.760 a DA assessment 01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:25.720 matter than so 01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:29.359 counc on the Mo 01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:31.279 recommendation Mr there's just a point 01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:33.560 to add to that if if we were going to 01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:37.600 defer this we need to be clear in my 01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:39.439 opinion on the reasons why we're 01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:41.439 deferring because staff have done their 01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:43.520 Merit based assessment and this is the 01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:45.479 recommendation and the proponent would 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:47.199 be well within their right 01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:49.640 to take us the land environment court 01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:53.279 for deem refusal and have it assessed 01:12:53.359 --> 01:12:55.680 and the report is essentially there that 01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:58.920 says this is how it's been assessed here 01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:01.119 is how the conditions could look to 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:03.680 address all of the concerns that have 01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:06.399 been raised so I guess what I'm flagging 01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:08.840 here is if you went down that pathway 01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:10.800 you may end up with the same outcome but 01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:12.520 with a cost of the community of going 01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:14.000 through a legal process that is 01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:16.039 potentially unnecessary so if you're 01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:19.079 going to defer you'd want to have really 01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:20.840 clear Merit based reasons that would 01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:22.880 stand up if it did get 01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:26.239 challenged thanks Mr CEO counc any 01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:28.000 further questions Council n you want to 01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:30.239 speak to your motion yeah just very 01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:33.039 briefly Mr Mayor to say that the sent 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:34.800 point I think that was raised in the 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:36.359 deputations was today is that the 01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:38.560 operational life life of no more than 12 01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:41.239 years people bought houses and Things 01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:44.319 based on that but the other counter 01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:47.920 to that is that only 20 thou 29,000 of a 01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:52.520 total so 30% 30% has extracted and 01:13:52.600 --> 01:13:54.720 that's it so I think that that's 01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:56.279 really important and that means that 01:13:56.359 --> 01:13:59.319 this has been an extremely low impact 01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:02.399 Quarry from its from from this 01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:04.960 original de here the other thing I'd say 01:14:05.039 --> 01:14:06.319 is the point that we sort of raised 01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:09.520 during deputations which is that it 01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:11.159 has to come from somewhere road base has 01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:13.199 to come from somewhere and it will 01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:14.760 have an impact it will have an impact 01:14:14.840 --> 01:14:16.680 from wherever it is and there is another 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:19.800 Quarry that Where Da is in which will 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:22.079 have a different impact and but it has 01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:24.720 to come from somewhere and so based 01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:26.920 on report which was by the way very good 01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:31.000 if it was and very comprehensive 01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:34.000 and certainly there were excellent 01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:36.479 issues raised by speaking against it but 01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:39.880 equally excellent responses from 01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:42.640 both speakers and and from staff so I I 01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:44.600 would certainly encourage councils not 01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:46.840 to defer this in addition to what the 01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:48.760 CEO just said then to vote on this now 01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:51.079 it is the right thing to do thanks counc 01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:53.479 speaker against Council Griff yeah 01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:55.319 thanks Mr Mayor based on on Miss 01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:57.640 Harrison's response I wouldn't defer it 01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:00.399 I but I will speak against it and I 01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:02.560 would probably choose to 01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:05.600 modify the consent if it goes ahead 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:07.920 but I may not get that opportunity I I 01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:10.760 just think 01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:13.600 well just to take to task Council 01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:16.000 nen's low impact comment I mean we 01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:18.960 listened to a recording of the noise of 01:15:19.039 --> 01:15:21.520 that truck and I guarantee if that was 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:24.159 in our backyards we would not call that 01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:25.560 low impact 01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:28.560 and you know it was really high impact 01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:31.560 and and I think I do acknowledge that 01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:34.720 the applicant had obviously made effort 01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:37.359 to address some of the concerns I 01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:39.279 wasn't aware of some of the reports that 01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:42.159 were available those reports were 01:15:42.239 --> 01:15:43.479 done what 01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:46.319 2011 very many things have changed since 01:15:46.399 --> 01:15:49.000 then one of them is the recognition of 01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:51.560 the real dangers of silica dust I mean 01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:53.520 now we're in a situation where this 01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:56.039 country is likely to be the first to ban 01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:59.760 the use of the the 01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:03.199 manufactured okay so so we are at the 01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:06.319 Forefront of that why because in 2011 it 01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:08.800 wasn't perceived as the danger it is now 01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:11.880 I think it was quite horrifying to have 01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:14.560 a perspective of the people's in with 01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:16.520 their washing and the dust and and the 01:16:16.600 --> 01:16:19.119 like I think that all the concerns 01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:22.520 raised by the people that spoke so 01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:25.640 courteously today are really you know if 01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:29.479 this was in our padic we would be really 01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:33.479 horrified and on while coun aen says 01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:34.960 well we've got to get the material from 01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:38.520 somewhere this is material is private 01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:41.399 use as the applicant said so it's not 01:16:41.479 --> 01:16:43.720 you know it's not like a commercial 01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:46.199 property I I would as I said earlier 01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:47.960 alluded 01:16:48.039 --> 01:16:52.520 earlier be I would be maybe reducing so 01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:55.560 that they were able to pass possibly re 01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:57.239 reducing the nber of years so possibly 01:16:57.319 --> 01:17:00.760 they were able to get more material out 01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:03.239 in a shorter time but knowing that 01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:05.720 it's going on for that nber of years 01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:07.640 and you don't really know when and that 01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:11.199 the truck movements are very erratic I I 01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:13.760 think though the environmental dangers 01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:16.319 are really have changed I think the 01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:20.000 noise is problematic and the fact that 01:17:20.079 --> 01:17:22.800 it's still on the same footprint is 01:17:22.880 --> 01:17:25.279 neither here nor there in terms of 01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:26.880 the impacts on people in the 01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:30.439 neighborhood and as the is the 01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:33.920 case described today and is the case 01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:35.600 with those that are complaining or 01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:38.760 concerned about similar quarrying around 01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:42.079 Bound for similar reasons it there's a 01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:44.000 lot more houses that have gone up in 01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:47.119 these areas too so it's not the the case 01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:49.239 that these are there they're just 01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:51.840 small nbers of neighbors and I think 01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:55.039 the safety in the road is is really 01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:59.399 concern so while it might ostensibly 01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:01.680 tick boxes for noise that were 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:05.000 appropriate in 2011 and silica that is I 01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:07.039 don't think those things are appropriate 01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:11.359 now I think that I would I would 01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:13.640 either reduce the nber of years or I 01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:17.560 would not approve and pass this motion 01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:20.479 than speaker for canc second the 01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:23.600 motion no just briefly Mr Mayor if we if 01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:26.800 we going to stop 01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:29.800 industry you'll stop my farm a lot of 01:18:29.880 --> 01:18:32.479 people have come into my backyard in the 01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:36.920 last 10 15 years concerned about the 01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:40.000 noise the dairy the lights the dogs 01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:42.079 whatever we've been doing it for 100 01:18:42.159 --> 01:18:46.520 years if we start today to stop industry 01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:48.800 we stop the valley you live on the 01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:50.920 princess Highway the princess highway is 01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:53.039 five six times more busy than it was 20 01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:56.479 or 30 years ago Tru the locks where do 01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:57.840 we start where do we stop we've just got 01:18:57.920 --> 01:19:00.960 to these things happen it's you live 01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:02.680 near mascot airport you put up with the 01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:05.600 noise I don't live there it's pretty 01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:09.439 simple it was called Mine Road for a 01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:12.479 reason CC any speaker against any other 01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:16.000 speaker against counc counc now super 01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:18.560 briefly from what I can understand 01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:20.960 we're just being of putting in a 01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:26.159 transportable site office as a way of 01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:27.880 going around a regulation which would 01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:30.439 not allow this modification which is 01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:32.159 essentially about they were given a 01:19:32.239 --> 01:19:33.960 certain amount of time to operate and 01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:35.760 make money and now they want another 01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:39.359 period of time to make money and the 01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:40.720 technical issue that we've come on 01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:42.640 appears to be this transportable site 01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:46.439 office so I think in a funny way it's do 01:19:46.520 --> 01:19:50.000 the concerns of people around it who are 01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:53.000 expecting commercial activity with 01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:56.279 impact on their lives to continue you 01:19:56.359 --> 01:19:59.039 past the time they expected against 01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:01.039 their applicant who's just basically 01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:02.279 saying I'd like another eight years of 01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:04.560 doing what I've always done so I think 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:08.439 on balance I'll probably vote against it 01:20:08.520 --> 01:20:12.079 than other speaker 01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:16.000 for Council you're right reply just 01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:18.520 to say that you I think the CEO 01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:20.760 mentioned land environment cor before 01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:23.560 this is has been processed by our staff 01:20:23.640 --> 01:20:25.279 and regardless of what we think about 01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:28.800 the movable site office what is it 01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:32.399 5.4.4 a allows this to happen it allows 01:20:32.479 --> 01:20:35.560 this to happen we either stand by our 01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:37.840 planning law or we don't well I stand by 01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:40.439 it so I'll be voting for it thank you 01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:42.840 motion all those in favor councilor 01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:44.960 Porter councel Alan councel SE Council 01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:47.279 Fitzpatrick councelor nen councelor 01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:50.439 Robin those against councelor r 01:20:50.520 --> 01:20:53.239 councelor on and councelor Griff the 01:20:53.319 --> 01:20:56.359 motion is carried 8.8 concept 01:20:56.439 --> 01:20:58.039 development application for change of 01:20:58.119 --> 01:20:59.720 views from tourist accommodation we have 01:20:59.800 --> 01:21:01.119 the presentations this morning Miss 01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:03.000 Harrison or Miss hanok would you like to 01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:05.600 reply to 01:21:06.119 --> 01:21:08.960 those through you Mr Mayor 01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:11.560 there there was nothing there that 01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:12.960 would stop you addressing it I'm happy 01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:14.800 to take 01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:18.600 questions Council n yeah thank you Mr 01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:23.159 May so can you just clarify a little 01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:25.079 bit of background about the because 01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:26.560 we're not talking about a DA we're not 01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:28.000 talking about a planning proposal we're 01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:29.920 talking about a concept DA they don't 01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:33.000 come up often in this Council and 01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:37.640 the staff have been pretty emphatic 01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:40.119 here because I mean a lot of the 01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:43.159 argents were very well made during 01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:46.279 the deputation in terms of the need for 01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:47.800 let's call it lower-end cheaper 01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:49.439 accommodation affordable I mean that's 01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:52.119 so subjective but it is it is and it is 01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:54.119 clearly needed and we've got a lot of 01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:56.600 data to support that so on 01:21:56.680 --> 01:21:58.720 page 01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:00.760 416 you know the following matters were 01:22:00.840 --> 01:22:02.199 identified as being inconsistent with 01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:03.800 the above Provisions detailing the 01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:06.239 extent of non-compliance with each 01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:07.880 councilors one two and three the 01:22:07.960 --> 01:22:09.640 applicant has not provided an assessment 01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:11.199 of the development application against 01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:13.000 step 65 in the apartment design guide 01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:14.760 from a qualified designer I won't read 01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:16.680 the next two but it goes through one two 01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:18.560 I mean there must be 01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:22.359 about 20 to 30 yeah sort of issues 01:22:22.439 --> 01:22:25.119 raised there so I 01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:27.520 certainly my so my question I guess is 01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:29.840 to you 01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:32.159 what with with the knowledge that you 01:22:32.239 --> 01:22:34.079 can see that this is the type of 01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:37.720 accommodation that we need but being 01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:39.640 keeping in mind our planning laws our 01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:41.199 DCP our 01:22:41.279 --> 01:22:44.079 lap and and the report that's before you 01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:47.399 right now and certainly your dot 01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:50.439 Point your your option two here defer 01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:53.199 consideration what what does that look 01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:56.600 like to you and that's either is CES 01:22:56.680 --> 01:22:58.760 or Mrs 01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:01.680 Harrison Mitch oh yeah 01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:06.039 yeah through you Mr Mayor a few bits 01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:07.920 I think that bits of context for me to 01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:11.359 give here to answer your question no 01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:13.239 and you might need to prompt me as we go 01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:17.239 through so at a at a high level 01:23:17.319 --> 01:23:19.600 Council this Council has in the past 01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:24.520 approved Das to change Motel 01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:26.359 accommodation to residential 01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:29.079 accommodation so at a very high level 01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:33.079 that concept or idea yep so that that is 01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:34.439 that is not a new idea and it's 01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:35.680 something that this Council has been 01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:38.159 supportive of when we talk about a 01:23:38.239 --> 01:23:40.960 concept da 01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:45.479 that that is a high a higher level da 01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:48.039 I guess that tries to explain as a 01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:50.079 concept what the development is going to 01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:51.800 do and Achieve and what some of the main 01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:54.319 impacts will be but it relies on further 01:23:54.399 --> 01:23:56.560 da or Das to actually get into the the 01:23:56.640 --> 01:23:58.960 nuts and bolts in the detail as part of 01:23:59.039 --> 01:24:02.960 that process often a concept da is 01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:06.359 when a building is not there so it's a 01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:08.399 you know a box on a piece of paper or a 01:24:08.479 --> 01:24:11.800 concept in our minds and then if if at a 01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:13.720 concept level it can be approved those 01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:16.079 finer details can be nutted out through 01:24:16.159 --> 01:24:19.319 the specific da process a challenge we 01:24:19.399 --> 01:24:20.920 have in this case is that the building 01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:24.680 already exists so from an assessment 01:24:24.760 --> 01:24:28.119 perspective we need to be assured 01:24:28.199 --> 01:24:30.800 that if we approve a concept da the 01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:34.279 development could actually occur in line 01:24:34.359 --> 01:24:35.880 with that concept 01:24:35.960 --> 01:24:38.520 da because the building exists there 01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:40.920 are limits to work that can be done and 01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:42.399 that's why in this case we've asked for 01:24:42.479 --> 01:24:45.000 more information from a staff 01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:47.600 perspective we feel that we do need more 01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:49.520 information to make a decision we need 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:52.039 to look at how the development would 01:24:52.119 --> 01:24:53.760 comply with the building code the 01:24:53.840 --> 01:24:55.920 accessibility standards the apartment 01:24:56.000 --> 01:24:59.039 design guidelines Basics they're all 01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:01.039 things that because the building exists 01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:02.680 we feel un necessary at this stage at 01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:08.640 concept da Point so it's again it's 01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:10.840 not and that's why we requested that 01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:13.079 information and that all comes down to 01:25:13.159 --> 01:25:15.000 are the apartments if they were to 01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:17.560 become residential you know long-term 01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:19.479 residential accommodation are they 01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:23.000 livable as they are is sorry Miss Han 01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:25.520 would you like to add any detail no okay 01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:27.359 did I 01:25:27.439 --> 01:25:30.119 second you reference this 01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:33.199 option 01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:37.640 consideration sorry the second yeah 01:25:37.720 --> 01:25:39.680 secretary defer consideration of the 01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:40.880 matter and request a further report 01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:43.399 detailing draft cons conditions of 01:25:43.479 --> 01:25:45.880 consent and relevant section 415 01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:47.520 matters for consideration that would 01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:49.640 enable approval of the application the 01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:54.479 reason why I don't so much get because 01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:57.359 as gett Barry said during his 01:25:57.439 --> 01:25:59.720 deputation which didn't come through 01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:04.960 clear whether today is that day by going 01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:07.960 to option two here are we saying we are 01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:11.399 happy as the concept it doesn't adhere 01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:13.479 to two of those main guidelines which is 01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:15.720 the floor space guideline from 35 meters 01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:19.319 down to 26 meters and also and also 01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:21.319 that that private usage that's in 01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:23.560 addition I if I'm understanding this 01:26:23.640 --> 01:26:25.600 correct to all of those things that you 01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:29.239 have listed there sesily on page 400 01:26:29.319 --> 01:26:31.079 whatever I said it was before 01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:34.680 16 what does that look like will it 01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:36.199 what would it look like when it came 01:26:36.279 --> 01:26:37.760 back to Council in other words would it 01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:39.800 have a refusal a recommendation for 01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:43.079 refusal based on these things anyway or 01:26:43.159 --> 01:26:45.560 if we voted for that today are we saying 01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:48.920 that we agree that those guidelines well 01:26:49.000 --> 01:26:50.680 they're not even guidelines those that 01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:54.079 could be bent 01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:56.199 through Mr May I'll I'll answer this 01:26:56.279 --> 01:26:59.920 question so firstly timing wise given 01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:02.239 that the next council meeting is 01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:04.119 scheduled for the 14th of August it's 01:27:04.199 --> 01:27:05.960 unreasonable to expect that staff could 01:27:06.039 --> 01:27:07.399 get a report back to this term of 01:27:07.479 --> 01:27:09.800 council which would mean it would the 01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:11.359 earliest it would be able to be 01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:13.640 presented to council would be in October 01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:17.359 so that's one point the second part 01:27:17.439 --> 01:27:21.279 is why if you did take up that option 01:27:21.359 --> 01:27:23.800 it is definitely not indicating that 01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:26.800 count ounc IL will or won't approve the 01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:29.560 concept da you're actually asking us 01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:31.800 to give you a report 01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:35.159 saying staff if we do go down this path 01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:36.880 tell us what it should look like and 01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:38.920 tell us about the risks of going down 01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:41.760 that pathway and the consequences so 01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:43.119 that that's how it would be framed it 01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:45.640 would be reflective back saying yep 01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:47.920 so it would be reflective back saying 01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:50.039 previous staff recommendation was this 01:27:50.119 --> 01:27:52.119 Council resolved to do this as a result 01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:54.159 this is what staff have presented to you 01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:57.079 for your consideration noting these are 01:27:57.159 --> 01:27:59.119 the potential consequences if you now 01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:00.920 support that 01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:04.319 draft Noti at the same time it's only 01:28:04.399 --> 01:28:07.039 requesting detail of draft conditions of 01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:08.720 consent not the actual conditions 01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:11.000 they're draft or three Mr Mayor until 01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:12.000 until 01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:14.800 Council until Council resolve to approve 01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:17.840 the da on those conditions it is not an 01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:20.279 approve concept da separate to that 01:28:20.359 --> 01:28:23.199 again is the future if council did 01:28:23.279 --> 01:28:24.960 approve the concept da with a whole 01:28:25.039 --> 01:28:27.000 series of conditions on it assing 01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:28.680 those conditions of the concept da could 01:28:28.760 --> 01:28:31.520 be met then down the track potentially 01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.039 new DA gets lodged to actually construct 01:28:34.119 --> 01:28:36.560 something I'm happy to move option sorry 01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:38.920 can I just follow up that just to say 01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:41.479 that we are we're kicking the Ken to the 01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:45.600 next Council to make that determination 01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:47.600 as to whether in the absence in the 01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:49.279 absence of the floor plan changing for 01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:51.359 what it is on this business paper in 01:28:51.439 --> 01:28:53.479 front of us at the moment and and this 01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:56.039 proposal here which is the the concept 01:28:56.119 --> 01:28:57.800 in the absence of that it would be up to 01:28:57.880 --> 01:29:00.399 the next Council to make that 01:29:00.479 --> 01:29:03.800 determination to reduce the floor square 01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:06.279 meterage and and some of the 01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:09.399 and and all of these other conditions 01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:13.359 that wouldn't be met with this concept 01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:17.000 D yeah three Mr Mayor that's correct but 01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:21.000 given the staff assessment was not to 01:29:21.079 --> 01:29:23.199 approve it we haven't got at hand 01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:24.640 anything that we could give you guidance 01:29:24.720 --> 01:29:26.439 on at the moment to say if you approve 01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:31.520 it is how to do it so due to timing 01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:33.520 there is no way to deal with this other 01:29:33.600 --> 01:29:35.920 than either refuse it today or seek that 01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:37.399 further report which will come to the 01:29:37.479 --> 01:29:40.119 next term of 01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:44.239 council y to move 01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:47.800 that I'll speak to it can I just ask a 01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:50.319 clarification question so Mr Mary you 01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:52.479 talking about going to on nber two 01:29:52.560 --> 01:29:54.039 yeah per consideration of the matter 01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:56.000 request a further report detailing draft 01:29:56.079 --> 01:29:57.840 conditions consent in relevant section 01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:00.239 415 matters for consideration that would 01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:02.199 enable approval of the application so 01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:04.560 can I just ask a question before that 01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:07.079 goes ahead I'm that sounds good to me 01:30:07.159 --> 01:30:09.960 but are we not seeking some kind of 01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:12.079 amalgamation of option two and three 01:30:12.159 --> 01:30:14.960 because as the CEO said the staff 01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:16.680 haven't really got the information that 01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:19.520 they need to be able to say answer the 01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:21.960 questions about livability until they 01:30:22.039 --> 01:30:25.520 look at a basic say so is is it not that 01:30:25.600 --> 01:30:27.439 that they need you need also to get 01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:29.760 further information from the applicant 01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:32.119 it's not just you trying to dream up 01:30:32.199 --> 01:30:33.720 what the conditions might be you've 01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:35.880 already asked the applicant for certain 01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:37.560 is a good point yeah you've already 01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:39.159 asked the applicant for certain pieces 01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:41.439 of information that it seems are not 01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:44.000 forthcoming but I I just wondered 01:30:44.079 --> 01:30:45.880 about whether we can't somehow I don't 01:30:45.960 --> 01:30:48.359 know maybe in putting together the 01:30:48.439 --> 01:30:50.279 nber two report you're already going 01:30:50.359 --> 01:30:52.239 to be having to seek further information 01:30:52.319 --> 01:30:54.479 from the applicant 01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:56.000 yeah so through Mr May one of the 01:30:56.079 --> 01:30:57.119 reasons I said I think it would be 01:30:57.199 --> 01:30:59.239 unreasonable to expect staff to be able 01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:00.880 to bring a report back is there is going 01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:02.840 to need to be some detailed thought now 01:31:02.920 --> 01:31:06.000 go into what would the conditions look 01:31:06.079 --> 01:31:09.600 like to minimize any risk going 01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:11.399 forward around this and some of them may 01:31:11.479 --> 01:31:13.159 actually relate 01:31:13.239 --> 01:31:16.079 to providing a particular piece of thing 01:31:16.159 --> 01:31:18.000 before another thing can happen and 01:31:18.079 --> 01:31:19.199 that's the bit that we've now got to 01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:21.760 work through and try and see how we can 01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:25.000 best address what we've got in front of 01:31:25.079 --> 01:31:26.560 us at the moment versus what we think we 01:31:26.640 --> 01:31:28.079 need to have the confidence this 01:31:28.159 --> 01:31:30.439 development could happen in the future 01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:33.000 so can the nber two just include a 01:31:33.079 --> 01:31:36.640 phrase to say including going to no I 01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:38.520 just need it through Mr Mayor the more 01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:40.600 specific you get now the harder it gets 01:31:40.680 --> 01:31:43.239 for staff to actually be able to 01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:45.319 properly analyze the issues detailing 01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:48.479 Drive conditions possible Drive 01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:51.920 conditions any other 01:31:52.640 --> 01:31:56.800 questions Tony or Liz or Helen so 01:31:56.880 --> 01:31:59.199 I'll just speak to this as was mentioned 01:31:59.279 --> 01:32:03.960 through the presentations today in 01:32:04.039 --> 01:32:07.359 2022 Miss Harrison and myself and Dr how 01:32:07.439 --> 01:32:10.119 at the time met with the applicant and 01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:12.479 he had the idea that motels were 01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:13.880 starting to become a thing of the past 01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:15.520 because airb Boos had taken that and he 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:17.840 was looking at options we said we had a 01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:20.279 housing crisis that we need to stand and 01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:21.760 we especially had a housing crisis 01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:25.199 amongst one bedroom accommodation units 01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:26.920 if you go to an affordable housing 01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:29.199 strategy and everything there this is 01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:32.000 part of the area that is never addressed 01:32:32.079 --> 01:32:33.880 because for developers there's not a lot 01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:36.199 of money in selling a one-bedroom unit 01:32:36.279 --> 01:32:38.439 so they don't really want to go there 01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:41.640 unless it's got a water View and then 01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:43.399 back off the main street it doesn't 01:32:43.479 --> 01:32:45.600 happen so this was a proposal that I 01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:47.520 fully supported through right through 01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:49.680 the process of discussions with him as 01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:51.199 he said he's been at it for two years 01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:54.000 trying to put the proposal together 01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:55.920 but now he's at the big step of whether 01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:59.079 he has to decide whether to go ahead and 01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:00.800 spend considerable money the figure of 01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:03.560 80,000 to a 100,000 was mentioned by Mr 01:33:03.640 --> 01:33:06.560 Barry today don't know how much Mr 01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:08.239 Barry would get out of that but by 01:33:08.319 --> 01:33:10.319 the time he gets Architects designers 01:33:10.399 --> 01:33:11.640 and you look at all the things mentioned 01:33:11.720 --> 01:33:12.880 by the staff there that need to be 01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:16.119 assessed and solved in relation to 01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:19.279 livability in relation to air flows 01:33:19.359 --> 01:33:21.840 things like that there is significant 01:33:21.920 --> 01:33:23.920 infrastructure cost program to conver 01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:26.640 those units into a liable unit so he has 01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:28.560 all that that's considerable money to go 01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:30.279 and get all those things done but he 01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:32.520 wants some guidance and staff needs some 01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:34.399 guidance from us as a council as to 01:33:34.479 --> 01:33:36.479 whether we support this in principle and 01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:39.000 move ahead or otherwise as the staff 01:33:39.079 --> 01:33:40.800 recommendation and I compliment staff on 01:33:40.880 --> 01:33:43.319 the recommendation because in their eyes 01:33:43.399 --> 01:33:44.760 they have to follow what we set out for 01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:47.840 them a DCP current policies current LEP 01:33:47.920 --> 01:33:49.479 problems and that's what they followed 01:33:49.560 --> 01:33:52.479 and that's fine but as suggested we have 01:33:52.560 --> 01:33:54.760 a housing crisis and as suggested by Mr 01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:56.319 Barry and I like his words where we have 01:33:56.399 --> 01:33:58.880 to think outside the box in relation to 01:33:58.960 --> 01:34:00.880 this this gives us a chance a first 01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:02.720 chance to think outside the box but it 01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:05.239 also ticks an envelope for us if we go 01:34:05.319 --> 01:34:07.880 down this track of what other owners 01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:09.680 might come forward with a similar 01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:12.119 similar type of proposal of some of our 01:34:12.199 --> 01:34:14.600 motels in other towns and even in in 01:34:14.680 --> 01:34:16.840 some of our major towns as to 01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:18.039 occupancy rates and what they're 01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:19.600 currently getting and what they could do 01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:21.760 with their premises and might start that 01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:23.760 discussion which could Le lead to some 01:34:23.840 --> 01:34:25.079 of the infield development that we've 01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:27.760 did all the zoning around to create that 01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:29.279 hasn't happened it won't happen until a 01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:30.760 developer comes along with someone like 01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:32.600 this actually comes up with a proposal 01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:34.840 to do I mentioned the 2,000 square 01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:36.359 meters when I asked him about that 01:34:36.439 --> 01:34:38.359 because it is a considerable site and 01:34:38.439 --> 01:34:40.279 when you look at how much the land the 01:34:40.359 --> 01:34:42.359 motel actually takes it still only takes 01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:44.760 up 60 or I think it was 50% at maxim 01:34:44.840 --> 01:34:48.239 of the site so if it was a unit block 01:34:48.319 --> 01:34:50.119 or somewhere else it'll be a lot more 01:34:50.199 --> 01:34:53.000 denser than what this is going to be so 01:34:53.079 --> 01:34:54.840 I I recommended to your counselors I 01:34:54.920 --> 01:34:56.439 know it's got problems around and it's 01:34:56.520 --> 01:34:57.880 going to be decided by the next Council 01:34:57.960 --> 01:34:59.359 as they move forward but it's just 01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:01.760 opening a door for a person to say I'm 01:35:01.840 --> 01:35:03.439 willing to go and do the work now I'm 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:05.520 willing to work with staff and and come 01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:07.119 back and try and address all the 01:35:07.199 --> 01:35:09.319 conditions of consent the draft may come 01:35:09.399 --> 01:35:10.600 up with and the matters for 01:35:10.680 --> 01:35:11.920 consideration that would gives him a 01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:13.840 chance to consider that instead of just 01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:16.319 saying no and and as I said before it's 01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:17.840 not the staff's problem they say no 01:35:17.920 --> 01:35:20.399 we've given them those those guidelines 01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:22.800 basically say no so we have to sit here 01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:25.399 and make a his decision do we want to 01:35:25.479 --> 01:35:26.800 think outside the box do we really want 01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:28.479 to solve an affordable housing in our 01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:30.520 homeless crisis by thinking outside the 01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:32.039 box and I recommend it to you I know 01:35:32.119 --> 01:35:34.079 it's scary at times and we may not get 01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:36.359 anywhere with this but at least we we're 01:35:36.439 --> 01:35:38.039 considering it the best we can so I 01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:40.119 recommend it to you thanks counselor 01:35:40.199 --> 01:35:41.680 speaker 01:35:41.760 --> 01:35:44.439 against any other speaker for Council 01:35:44.520 --> 01:35:48.159 name yeah I'm I'm happy to support 01:35:48.239 --> 01:35:50.560 this based on the do point to first of 01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:52.560 all it's not one-bedroom apartments 01:35:52.640 --> 01:35:54.600 there are two one bedroom Apartments 01:35:54.680 --> 01:35:58.079 it's 16 studio apartments and and one 01:35:58.159 --> 01:36:01.640 three-bedroom apartment I should add 01:36:01.720 --> 01:36:03.800 you know I guess the market will 01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:06.760 decide whether that is needed or not 01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:08.600 and what that looks like and you know 01:36:08.680 --> 01:36:12.239 what what the price looks like it's 01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:14.760 interesting though like councelor 01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:17.199 Griff's point about the dot point three 01:36:17.279 --> 01:36:19.239 coming into this which I'm I'll just go 01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:21.479 down to because she makes a good point 01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:25.680 which is even with thist point2 it's 01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:26.880 actually just kicking the can down the 01:36:26.960 --> 01:36:28.479 road the applicant is still going to 01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:30.119 have to provide all of this information 01:36:30.199 --> 01:36:32.800 before anything is lodged the this 01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:35.760 this information will have to come back 01:36:35.840 --> 01:36:38.680 regardless of whether they do it in a 01:36:38.760 --> 01:36:41.640 DOT point3 or a do2 that information 01:36:41.720 --> 01:36:45.319 has to to come forward and I would 01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:48.840 say in this time as well between now and 01:36:48.920 --> 01:36:50.399 when the report comes back and then when 01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:51.840 it goes back to the applicant and when 01:36:51.920 --> 01:36:53.680 the applicant comes back and a DA is as 01:36:53.760 --> 01:36:56.079 well whether it's a bit of a it is a 01:36:56.159 --> 01:36:58.039 bit of a gamble if I can be honest 01:36:58.119 --> 01:37:00.479 because not only is it a do 01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:03.840 hey not only will it be what you keep 01:37:03.920 --> 01:37:05.920 talking yeah yeah we a different 01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:07.520 Council not only will it be a 01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:09.600 different Council but but but you will 01:37:09.680 --> 01:37:12.039 have to spend all of the money on 01:37:12.119 --> 01:37:15.880 that da and bank that well it it'll be 01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:17.960 80 to 100 grand if not more that's 01:37:18.039 --> 01:37:22.840 cheap actually to to detail whether 01:37:22.920 --> 01:37:25.279 Council will go for that reduction that 01:37:25.359 --> 01:37:28.039 35 M down to 26 M and let me tell you 01:37:28.119 --> 01:37:30.359 that is significant and the other 01:37:30.439 --> 01:37:32.239 challenges in here as well so I think 01:37:32.319 --> 01:37:34.000 it's something for the this is fine 01:37:34.079 --> 01:37:36.800 happy to adopt it but this is a strong 01:37:36.880 --> 01:37:38.600 signal to the to the applicant as well 01:37:38.680 --> 01:37:39.920 that they're going to have to think very 01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:43.279 hard about what that that next 01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:46.720 application and da looks like 01:37:46.800 --> 01:37:50.520 because because you know as I said 01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:52.800 there there are a lot of hurdles to jp 01:37:52.880 --> 01:37:53.960 in this process 01:37:54.039 --> 01:37:56.840 regardless of how much I think we and 01:37:56.920 --> 01:37:58.479 the councilors think we we need this 01:37:58.560 --> 01:38:01.119 type of accommodation so just as a you 01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:02.800 know sending a strong message there 01:38:02.880 --> 01:38:04.439 thank 01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:06.680 you speaker 01:38:06.760 --> 01:38:10.920 against speak against I'm speaker 01:38:11.720 --> 01:38:16.840 for criticism of R tape and 01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:19.520 bureaucracy 01:38:19.600 --> 01:38:21.359 government okay I'm going to say that 01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:24.279 again there's a lot of criticism of red 01:38:24.359 --> 01:38:27.600 tape in every layer of government in 01:38:27.680 --> 01:38:30.399 this country and many others now what 01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:33.359 we've got here is a conscientious effort 01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:36.239 by our Council staff to prepare M 01:38:36.319 --> 01:38:38.399 material for discussion against every 01:38:38.479 --> 01:38:41.520 bit of the extraordinary complex 01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:43.880 somewhat not fit forp purpose 01:38:43.960 --> 01:38:46.239 planning system that we struggle with 01:38:46.319 --> 01:38:49.439 every day as the mayor has said as 01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:52.960 proponent has said we have a housing 01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:54.479 crisis 01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:57.399 not oh this could be like done like this 01:38:57.479 --> 01:38:59.439 this could be done like this but simply 01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:02.119 people as we saw today living in clapped 01:39:02.199 --> 01:39:06.039 out Caravans with no toilet so I suppose 01:39:06.119 --> 01:39:07.479 what we are being asked and what the 01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:10.439 mayor's motion says is that we 01:39:10.520 --> 01:39:12.159 occasionally do have to take a risk 01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:13.960 where we see real change that will 01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:17.680 benefit our community and then put the 01:39:17.760 --> 01:39:20.079 guard rails around it as this motion 01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:22.840 does it is draft terms of consent to the 01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:24.920 DA coming back so we can consider it 01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:28.079 properly but what we are saying to the 01:39:28.159 --> 01:39:30.479 private sector of this sh is that there 01:39:30.560 --> 01:39:33.920 is a housing crisis and we representing 01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:35.920 our community are ready to speak to 01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:38.880 developers about some of the short-term 01:39:38.960 --> 01:39:41.399 solutions to that that we can find in 01:39:41.479 --> 01:39:44.800 specific spots around the Shire we're 01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:47.000 having some great long-term plans for 01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:49.640 building social affordable housing we're 01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:51.439 discussing with other people essential 01:39:51.520 --> 01:39:54.159 housing that's all going to take several 01:39:54.239 --> 01:39:56.840 years what we heard today was proponent 01:39:56.920 --> 01:39:58.760 who once they've been through the Fairly 01:39:58.840 --> 01:40:01.279 laborious planning process and then done 01:40:01.359 --> 01:40:03.199 the good technical work of getting it to 01:40:03.279 --> 01:40:05.319 the building and occupation stage is 01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:06.840 they might be able to get there in a 01:40:06.920 --> 01:40:09.279 six-month building period rather than 01:40:09.359 --> 01:40:11.960 years and years so I suppose that is a 01:40:12.039 --> 01:40:14.159 very long way of 01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:16.479 saying we've been looking at this 01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:19.359 proposal for two years the staff have 01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:21.960 been doing what they should dotting the 01:40:22.039 --> 01:40:25.239 eyes Crossing ing the te's and now they 01:40:25.319 --> 01:40:27.359 have correctly bought it to us as the 01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:30.079 representatives of the community saying 01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:32.359 is that good enough or do you want us to 01:40:32.439 --> 01:40:35.439 take a risk don't be too Ultra you know 01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:36.399 and what they've said is how 01:40:36.479 --> 01:40:38.840 conservative do we want to be or will we 01:40:38.920 --> 01:40:41.399 in terms of a crisis actually take it to 01:40:41.479 --> 01:40:43.960 this next stage evaluate the risk 01:40:44.039 --> 01:40:45.800 against the benefits we can get from 01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:50.119 this the proponents planner also 01:40:50.199 --> 01:40:52.199 said looking at these space ones there's 01:40:52.279 --> 01:40:53.800 obviously a real discussion to have 01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:56.239 there I'm absolutely up for that and I 01:40:56.319 --> 01:40:57.399 think we need to discuss it with the 01:40:57.479 --> 01:40:58.760 state government who's obviously looking 01:40:58.840 --> 01:41:00.720 at this sort of issue coming up at other 01:41:00.800 --> 01:41:03.760 places and that may well help our staff 01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:06.920 as they are going to this next stage I 01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:08.720 don't see it as kicking the can down the 01:41:08.800 --> 01:41:11.399 road I think it is is taking it for the 01:41:11.479 --> 01:41:13.680 proponent closer to the time where we 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:18.119 can say stop or we're right behind any 01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:20.800 effort we can find to solve the housing 01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:23.479 crisis that is safe for the people going 01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:25.520 into that housing that does improve the 01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:28.119 life of the the community just one last 01:41:28.199 --> 01:41:31.560 thing on that the developers doing 01:41:31.640 --> 01:41:34.640 this not for social 01:41:34.720 --> 01:41:38.119 housing not for rent controlled 01:41:38.199 --> 01:41:41.560 affordable housing but to meet market 01:41:41.640 --> 01:41:44.439 demand a nber of people including 01:41:44.520 --> 01:41:45.880 the mayor have raised the issue of the 01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:48.239 rental crisis in this particular area 01:41:48.319 --> 01:41:49.920 from workers for instance on the snowy 01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:52.600 Hydro at the moment we are experiencing 01:41:52.680 --> 01:41:54.880 a particular particular demand for a 01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:56.760 particular product which appears to be 01:41:56.840 --> 01:41:58.920 exactly what this one is about so to 01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:02.520 take it to the next stage test us as 01:42:02.600 --> 01:42:04.560 counselors on the risk group prepared to 01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:07.199 take to get towards the solutions to the 01:42:07.279 --> 01:42:10.199 problem that is on our streets and in 01:42:10.279 --> 01:42:14.800 Caravans and cars around the place every 01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:17.840 night any speaker 01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:20.760 G I'm just going to say look I I I we're 01:42:20.840 --> 01:42:23.199 in Furious agreement Mr Mayor which is 01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:25.279 rare but so I don't want to take up more 01:42:25.359 --> 01:42:28.520 time but just was just a comment I agree 01:42:28.600 --> 01:42:30.880 with everything Council anneal and the 01:42:30.960 --> 01:42:34.239 mayor said on this and coun and I sit on 01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:35.760 the affordable housing implementation 01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:37.800 Group which can be 01:42:37.880 --> 01:42:40.199 a robust 01:42:40.279 --> 01:42:42.760 experience punish for 01:42:42.840 --> 01:42:45.600 your but it I mean so just I guess to 01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:47.600 say to all and for the record we're 01:42:47.680 --> 01:42:49.560 we're so aware of the desperate need for 01:42:49.640 --> 01:42:51.880 this type of 01:42:51.960 --> 01:42:53.840 accommodation and I think if your 01:42:53.920 --> 01:42:55.760 choices are to be under a bridge or in a 01:42:55.840 --> 01:42:59.079 car versus a 26 meter studio apartment 01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:01.159 you'd take the letter but I I suppose 01:43:01.239 --> 01:43:04.560 just a comment really the way Council 01:43:04.640 --> 01:43:07.199 nen spoke was as though the point nber 01:43:07.279 --> 01:43:09.880 two we're going for meant the applicant 01:43:09.960 --> 01:43:13.680 had to do a DA it still seems that 01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:16.279 certain things are needed to for the 01:43:16.359 --> 01:43:18.359 staff to be able to respond to those 01:43:18.439 --> 01:43:21.319 particular two outstanding issues about 01:43:21.399 --> 01:43:24.640 space and public sorry private 01:43:24.720 --> 01:43:28.199 outdoor open space but it doesn't mean 01:43:28.279 --> 01:43:31.239 necessarily a full da to get that 01:43:31.319 --> 01:43:33.680 conditional approval from what I 01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:36.159 understand I I sort of wish this is a 01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:38.039 gorgeous docent I wish the money had 01:43:38.119 --> 01:43:40.439 maybe gone into doing the da but not my 01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:43.720 business and so I I think it's 01:43:43.800 --> 01:43:47.600 for this it's worth us debating it and 01:43:47.680 --> 01:43:50.159 voting on it now to give a message to 01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:54.760 the next incoming C some of which are 01:43:54.840 --> 01:43:56.920 at the table to show generally the 01:43:57.000 --> 01:44:00.560 councilor's support for making this work 01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:02.560 in the hope that we are you know really 01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:04.640 able to support the applicant in making 01:44:04.720 --> 01:44:08.039 this work 01:44:08.520 --> 01:44:11.159 thanks I just have a I'll be very brief 01:44:11.239 --> 01:44:14.239 I'd like to remind you Mr Mayor we've 01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:17.560 attended the beiger Chamber of Commerce 01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:20.439 AGM a week or so ago and there was 01:44:20.520 --> 01:44:22.680 speakers there from the southern 01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:25.680 health district and also Hillgrove house 01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:28.119 about Staffing in the area 01:44:28.199 --> 01:44:30.239 particularly nurses and being able to 01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:32.439 have doctors come in and visit to do 01:44:32.520 --> 01:44:35.800 specialist treatment and whatnot and you 01:44:35.880 --> 01:44:38.640 know they they talked a little bit about 01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:40.560 the the three and four bedroom houses on 01:44:40.640 --> 01:44:44.239 a lot of land just doesn't service 01:44:44.319 --> 01:44:46.760 the accommodation needs of of workers 01:44:46.840 --> 01:44:48.720 that need to come and do things and the 01:44:48.800 --> 01:44:51.560 importance of this kind of of this 01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:54.359 kind of thinking and I I also applaud 01:44:54.439 --> 01:44:57.680 staff that they understand that it's 01:44:57.760 --> 01:45:00.079 it's outside the the planning directions 01:45:00.159 --> 01:45:02.439 that have come from the state but yet 01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:04.119 maybe this is something that we need to 01:45:04.199 --> 01:45:06.520 consider and we need to think about so I 01:45:06.600 --> 01:45:07.640 think this is going in the right 01:45:07.720 --> 01:45:09.600 direction and thanks very much 01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:11.560 everyone thanks I don't think I need a 01:45:11.640 --> 01:45:13.760 right reply put the recommendation all 01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:16.000 those in 01:45:16.079 --> 01:45:19.560 favor yeah carried unanimously thanks 01:45:19.640 --> 01:45:23.560 counselors 8.9 reporting of minutes from 01:45:23.640 --> 01:45:25.119 for committees for delegated you happy 01:45:25.199 --> 01:45:27.800 to delate 01:45:28.279 --> 01:45:29.880 that 01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:32.079 yep got some contracts to issue that 01:45:32.159 --> 01:45:33.680 staff probably waiting 01:45:33.760 --> 01:45:38.239 on I just wanted to say that these 01:45:38.319 --> 01:45:40.640 are mostly before the end of the the 01:45:40.720 --> 01:45:41.880 the council there's one more meeting in 01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:43.760 most of these committees in some 01:45:43.840 --> 01:45:44.920 committees I just wanted to put it on 01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:46.439 the record that they are looking at 01:45:46.520 --> 01:45:48.920 preparing reports that s up the 01:45:49.000 --> 01:45:50.800 operation of the committee over the last 01:45:50.880 --> 01:45:53.520 two and a bit years so that when the new 01:45:53.600 --> 01:45:56.319 C Council comes in these committees can 01:45:56.399 --> 01:45:58.920 brief the council we have a report ready 01:45:59.000 --> 01:46:00.920 to get going rather than having to go 01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:03.479 backwards and then forwards in the 01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:05.760 Strategic work we do my one is the Halls 01:46:05.840 --> 01:46:07.680 committee where we are actually actively 01:46:07.760 --> 01:46:09.920 working on a strategy that will take a 01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:12.279 while and some funding to get there but 01:46:12.359 --> 01:46:13.560 it really will make a difference in the 01:46:13.640 --> 01:46:17.319 long term thanks coun move C move counc 01:46:17.399 --> 01:46:21.279 second Council SE all those in 01:46:21.359 --> 01:46:24.159 favor car 01:46:24.239 --> 01:46:27.520 iously 1.1 staff reports assessence 01:46:27.600 --> 01:46:30.720 operations local roads Congress 01:46:30.800 --> 01:46:33.720 communicate to endorse the communicate 01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:36.119 put out thanks Council name that's good 01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:39.319 of you happy about that seconded Council 01:46:39.399 --> 01:46:41.359 Port all those in favor carried 01:46:41.439 --> 01:46:44.000 unanimously traffic committee Mr 01:46:44.079 --> 01:46:46.279 McFarland any questions for Mr McFarland 01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:49.560 on this 01:46:53.039 --> 01:46:54.960 just make a big comment that there 01:46:55.039 --> 01:46:57.800 were some issues there of some 01:46:57.880 --> 01:47:02.560 bikes crossing the road 01:47:06.920 --> 01:47:09.640 been Thanks Council Porter second to 01:47:09.720 --> 01:47:12.199 council nen all those in favor carried 01:47:12.279 --> 01:47:14.720 unanimously 9.3 waver of fees for 01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:18.760 birming Sports Complex for survival day 01:47:18.840 --> 01:47:21.359 mover counc o 01:47:21.439 --> 01:47:24.119 second Council 01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:28.840 Porter all those in favor car generously 01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:31.680 no councilor Porter councelor right 01:47:31.760 --> 01:47:33.920 councelor Allan councelor SE counc 01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:36.640 Patrick councelor councelor Robin 01:47:36.720 --> 01:47:38.840 councelor Griff against councelor nen 01:47:38.920 --> 01:47:41.159 thank 01:47:43.159 --> 01:47:49.119 you yeah passed no we Ash REM service 01:47:49.199 --> 01:47:53.439 in contract questions 01:47:53.880 --> 01:47:55.920 request for tender spray 01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:58.680 B yeah I have one question which I 01:47:58.760 --> 01:48:01.159 asked in the public meeting is in our 01:48:01.239 --> 01:48:06.079 Q&A the on pricing the amount of 01:48:06.159 --> 01:48:08.640 that we're considering do you 01:48:08.720 --> 01:48:12.039 consider the contract good value for the 01:48:12.119 --> 01:48:14.880 money I to be as free as you like around 01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:17.560 the answer for that three you Mr Mayor I 01:48:17.640 --> 01:48:21.960 think we have selected the best value 01:48:22.039 --> 01:48:25.479 contractor with the best pedigree and 01:48:25.560 --> 01:48:28.199 a price that fitted in with our 01:48:28.279 --> 01:48:31.199 budgeting and our expectations I also 01:48:31.279 --> 01:48:33.600 believe that we tested the market 01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:37.319 thoroughly this was a mid-range price 01:48:37.399 --> 01:48:42.039 which was gave a high value 01:48:42.119 --> 01:48:46.680 outcome Mr Mr C you Mr Mr May one thing 01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:49.680 I'll add to that is that with this type 01:48:49.760 --> 01:48:51.640 of work obviously the quality of the 01:48:51.720 --> 01:48:54.119 work and avoiding going back and having 01:48:54.199 --> 01:48:56.359 to do any rework is a key consideration 01:48:56.439 --> 01:48:58.560 too which is why in this case the 01:48:58.640 --> 01:49:01.159 waiting were Incorporated the way they 01:49:01.239 --> 01:49:02.640 were to and that's based on past 01:49:02.720 --> 01:49:04.279 experience of how this type of work 01:49:04.359 --> 01:49:06.079 tends to play out so on a public 01:49:06.159 --> 01:49:08.520 reputation basis Council comes into a 01:49:08.600 --> 01:49:12.079 lot of plaque around a first SE going 01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:14.199 down the time to a second SE the road 01:49:14.279 --> 01:49:16.039 breaking up from the first seal why 01:49:16.119 --> 01:49:17.359 council do that look at that work that's 01:49:17.439 --> 01:49:20.479 shy can you just explain that to us how 01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:22.279 we can tender that better or have better 01:49:22.359 --> 01:49:24.239 Med Communications around that so we get 01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:25.880 the right information out there I don't 01:49:25.960 --> 01:49:27.960 know how many times I answer phone calls 01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:29.720 complaining all 01:49:29.800 --> 01:49:32.840 that through you Mr I'll try and pre you 01:49:32.920 --> 01:49:36.640 that a little bit generally this 01:49:36.720 --> 01:49:40.119 contract is to reeal our existing 01:49:40.199 --> 01:49:43.399 sealed Road Network the precursor for 01:49:43.479 --> 01:49:46.920 the resales are heavy patching contracts 01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:48.560 generally we resale something because 01:49:48.640 --> 01:49:51.399 it's failing so we will get a contractor 01:49:51.479 --> 01:49:53.319 or our own staff out to go and put a 01:49:53.399 --> 01:49:56.079 sticking plaster you know on that part 01:49:56.159 --> 01:49:58.960 of the road to keep it going long enough 01:49:59.039 --> 01:50:01.359 for us to get the contractor in in the 01:50:01.439 --> 01:50:03.199 right window of opportunity be that 01:50:03.279 --> 01:50:05.279 weather or timing so you mean 01:50:05.359 --> 01:50:06.760 temperature around the window of mean 01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:09.840 temperature and competing against 01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:12.520 other shyers who want the same 01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:16.000 contractor at the same time so we 01:50:16.079 --> 01:50:17.880 make our best estimates of how we can 01:50:17.960 --> 01:50:19.720 keep those going along until we get the 01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:22.399 contractor in the other point that you 01:50:22.479 --> 01:50:24.560 made there is the first seal we put down 01:50:24.640 --> 01:50:26.760 isn't always the final seal depending on 01:50:26.840 --> 01:50:29.520 what's the type of resurfacing we're 01:50:29.600 --> 01:50:32.760 doing quite often it will be a minim 01:50:32.840 --> 01:50:34.399 of a two coat seal so the first seal 01:50:34.479 --> 01:50:36.399 will go down the first stone will go 01:50:36.479 --> 01:50:38.359 down that needs to be bedded in it's 01:50:38.439 --> 01:50:40.520 then swept and brushed and at the 01:50:40.600 --> 01:50:41.840 appropriate weather conditions and the 01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:43.439 appropriate timeline we put a second 01:50:43.520 --> 01:50:46.000 seal on there that again needs to be 01:50:46.079 --> 01:50:47.680 bedded down before we can line mark it 01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:49.760 and do that in some cases we have three 01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:51.520 seals there might be a primer seal gone 01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:53.920 down if indeed it was a a gravel road 01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:55.680 before we started and we're upgrading 01:50:55.760 --> 01:50:57.840 that road so they will see us come back 01:50:57.920 --> 01:51:00.960 on a regular basis unfortunately because 01:51:01.039 --> 01:51:02.800 there are those windows in between the 01:51:02.880 --> 01:51:05.159 seals we might get bad weather we might 01:51:05.239 --> 01:51:07.600 get Nord amounts of traffic we might 01:51:07.680 --> 01:51:10.119 get defects that then appear on that 01:51:10.199 --> 01:51:11.720 road pavement which we then have to 01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:14.399 patch in the interim while waiting down 01:51:14.479 --> 01:51:16.840 it's an iterative process we do the 01:51:16.920 --> 01:51:19.279 best that we can very noticeable in this 01:51:19.359 --> 01:51:21.399 tender as you were though we do not have 01:51:21.479 --> 01:51:25.720 an ashile or Tous supplier within the sh 01:51:25.800 --> 01:51:28.159 so we can't just do it at the drop of a 01:51:28.239 --> 01:51:31.399 hat all we have the ability to do is an 01:51:31.479 --> 01:51:34.000 Emulsion seal which is nowhere near 01:51:34.079 --> 01:51:36.359 as good as a hot seal as a patch while 01:51:36.439 --> 01:51:38.239 we wait for a contract from outside of 01:51:38.319 --> 01:51:40.720 the Shire come down to do more lasting 01:51:40.800 --> 01:51:43.800 repair and that's the iterative process 01:51:43.880 --> 01:51:46.560 I hope that's clear clears that I 01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:48.000 think we're all be clear on long as you 01:51:48.079 --> 01:51:49.399 can do every road like the airport 01:51:49.479 --> 01:51:53.800 straight we'll be very happy in the show 01:51:53.880 --> 01:51:56.439 you Mr me part of this contract is to 01:51:56.520 --> 01:52:00.279 let ashal as well what I will say is you 01:52:00.359 --> 01:52:03.119 quadruple the price to get that type of 01:52:03.199 --> 01:52:06.199 standard and we could go down that way 01:52:06.279 --> 01:52:08.239 and we are very very careful about 01:52:08.319 --> 01:52:10.640 those areas that we do place that 01:52:10.720 --> 01:52:13.640 level of service to so the first 01:52:13.720 --> 01:52:15.760 recommendation that Council AC accepts 01:52:15.840 --> 01:52:17.159 the recommendation outline in the 01:52:17.239 --> 01:52:18.640 confidential 01:52:18.720 --> 01:52:23.800 attachment counc Alan councelor n 01:52:24.359 --> 01:52:27.399 all those in favor carried unanimously 01:52:27.479 --> 01:52:30.760 items then 2 3 4 five becomes one two 01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:34.119 three Council Allan Council n again 01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:36.039 thank you that the the council accepts a 01:52:36.119 --> 01:52:37.880 tender from down EDI Works in relation 01:52:37.960 --> 01:52:39.520 to the contract for Works described in 01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:43.840 tender rft 2324 d38 for the seing amount 01:52:43.920 --> 01:52:46.600 of 5, 01:52:46.840 --> 01:52:49.439 97034 excluding GST subject to 01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:51.760 variations and the variations MERS to 01:52:51.840 --> 01:52:53.720 the contract be manage under the 01:52:53.800 --> 01:52:56.239 existing Council Financial delegations 01:52:56.319 --> 01:52:57.840 that Authority be delegated the C to 01:52:57.920 --> 01:52:59.600 execute all necessary docents that all 01:52:59.680 --> 01:53:01.399 tenders to be advised of council's 01:53:01.479 --> 01:53:03.600 decision Council Allan Council nen all 01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:06.880 those in favor carried unanimously 01:53:06.960 --> 01:53:09.479 request for tender water Gams Bridge 01:53:09.560 --> 01:53:11.800 Creek Bridge and the people of womo have 01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:13.560 been ringing us about this for a couple 01:53:13.640 --> 01:53:14.920 of weeks 01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:17.479 now councilor that Council accepts 01:53:17.560 --> 01:53:18.680 recommendations outlined in the 01:53:18.760 --> 01:53:20.079 confidential 01:53:20.159 --> 01:53:23.640 mimo second 01:53:23.720 --> 01:53:25.760 Allen all those in 01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:27.960 favor carried 01:53:28.039 --> 01:53:31.720 nously now com 1 two 34 the officer's 01:53:31.800 --> 01:53:33.399 recommendation Council accepts a tender 01:53:33.479 --> 01:53:35.079 from East Coast civil constructions 01:53:35.159 --> 01:53:36.239 provide limit in relation to the 01:53:36.319 --> 01:53:38.239 contract for the works as described in 01:53:38.319 --> 01:53:42.359 rft 232 4021 for the s of 1, 01:53:42.439 --> 01:53:45.159 37,999 including GST subject to 01:53:45.239 --> 01:53:47.039 variations and Provisions that 01:53:47.119 --> 01:53:48.600 variations Amendment to the contract be 01:53:48.680 --> 01:53:50.000 managed on the existing Council 01:53:50.079 --> 01:53:52.600 Financial delegation auor delegated the 01:53:52.680 --> 01:53:54.720 ca to execute all necessary docents 01:53:54.800 --> 01:53:56.680 all tenders Beed councelor Porter again 01:53:56.760 --> 01:53:58.039 councelor 01:53:58.119 --> 01:54:01.680 Allen all those in favor carried 01:54:01.760 --> 01:54:04.239 unanimously request for 01:54:04.319 --> 01:54:07.399 tender 2021 NY monitoring in the 01:54:07.479 --> 01:54:10.039 laboratory and analytic 01:54:10.119 --> 01:54:12.720 Services Council again information you 01:54:12.800 --> 01:54:13.720 have 01:54:13.800 --> 01:54:16.439 the information confidential 01:54:16.520 --> 01:54:20.920 report questions counselors 01:54:30.399 --> 01:54:32.920 up in our 01:54:34.680 --> 01:54:36.560 accounts you Mr thank you very much 01:54:36.640 --> 01:54:37.920 indeed to for asking that question 01:54:38.000 --> 01:54:40.399 councel oil when you look at what our 01:54:40.479 --> 01:54:42.960 Baseline testing would be for both our 01:54:43.039 --> 01:54:45.319 Waste Services and our water and sewage 01:54:45.399 --> 01:54:48.239 Services they're actually quite low 01:54:48.319 --> 01:54:49.840 generally what we would would could 01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:52.840 consider low what we don't fact in 01:54:52.920 --> 01:54:54.319 and we have to put on effectively a 01:54:54.399 --> 01:54:57.199 schedule of rates is what happens with 01:54:57.279 --> 01:55:00.359 excessive rain events and over the 01:55:00.439 --> 01:55:02.279 last three years we've been inundated 01:55:02.359 --> 01:55:05.279 with rain which have caused problems 01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:08.760 in some of our leech a dams and 01:55:08.840 --> 01:55:10.920 spillages and everything else that 01:55:11.000 --> 01:55:12.720 unfortunate is where the bulk of those 01:55:12.800 --> 01:55:14.760 costs come so there there's stuff 01:55:14.840 --> 01:55:17.880 that we can't forecast as ba we have 01:55:17.960 --> 01:55:20.479 a ba nber it's the weather events that 01:55:20.560 --> 01:55:23.119 actually go and change the dynamic 01:55:23.199 --> 01:55:26.319 and as you can see in the initial 01:55:26.399 --> 01:55:27.640 contract that we let a couple of years 01:55:27.720 --> 01:55:30.359 ago it was for the base amount and what 01:55:30.439 --> 01:55:31.880 we've done is put a sealing amount on 01:55:31.960 --> 01:55:35.560 here now effectively of what we believe 01:55:35.640 --> 01:55:37.439 we are spending with the recent rain 01:55:37.520 --> 01:55:39.359 events that we've had what we don't 01:55:39.439 --> 01:55:41.800 do is try and spend that full amount 01:55:41.880 --> 01:55:42.920 we just got to make sure we've got 01:55:43.000 --> 01:55:44.880 enough in there within the contract 01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:46.920 to do it and we're very limited to who 01:55:47.000 --> 01:55:48.680 we can get to do that work for is IT 01:55:48.760 --> 01:55:51.520 specialist work if we don't comply 01:55:51.600 --> 01:55:53.920 we're breaching legislation so we do not 01:55:54.000 --> 01:55:55.960 have to have enough money in the pot 01:55:56.039 --> 01:55:57.720 to enable us to deliver this 01:55:57.800 --> 01:55:59.760 work any further questions we have a 01:55:59.840 --> 01:56:02.359 recommendation one in the confidential 01:56:02.439 --> 01:56:05.119 Council SE someone second Council 01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:06.600 [Music] 01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:11.079 o all those in favor carried unanimously 01:56:11.159 --> 01:56:12.680 items Now One and Two Become the 01:56:12.760 --> 01:56:14.840 council award a two-year extension of 01:56:14.920 --> 01:56:18.000 the current contract 202190 to Mo 01:56:18.079 --> 01:56:20.680 monitoring and analytical laboratory 01:56:20.760 --> 01:56:24.039 services with ALS s water and 01:56:24.119 --> 01:56:26.720 Hydrographics to the 30th of November 01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:30.600 2026 the CEO to execute aesty docents 01:56:30.680 --> 01:56:34.399 M counc SEC councilor right all those in 01:56:34.479 --> 01:56:37.840 favor carried 01:56:38.199 --> 01:56:41.479 unanimously item 9.7 request for tender 01:56:41.560 --> 01:56:43.600 waste collection contract tender 01:56:43.680 --> 01:56:45.119 evaluation reports 01:56:45.199 --> 01:56:48.279 been inclosed 01:56:48.359 --> 01:56:51.960 counselors your councelor Alan second 01:56:52.039 --> 01:56:53.520 for the 01:56:53.600 --> 01:56:56.119 recommendation Council nen any questions 01:56:56.199 --> 01:56:57.880 council is on the confidential thing 01:56:57.960 --> 01:57:00.920 that can be asked in open 01:57:01.000 --> 01:57:03.720 Council put that recommendation all 01:57:03.800 --> 01:57:08.359 those favor carried animous items Now 23 01:57:08.439 --> 01:57:11.560 and four five in become one two three 01:57:11.640 --> 01:57:13.680 and four that Council declined to accept 01:57:13.760 --> 01:57:16.039 any tenders under Clause 178 of the 01:57:16.119 --> 01:57:19.079 local government General regulation 2021 01:57:19.159 --> 01:57:20.920 Council enter into negotiations with the 01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:22.560 tenderous to overcome depart that may 01:57:22.640 --> 01:57:25.159 limit council's writing circstances 01:57:25.239 --> 01:57:27.159 Council delegates authority of the C to 01:57:27.239 --> 01:57:28.720 negotiate and execute all necessary 01:57:28.800 --> 01:57:30.479 docents and approve contract 01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:32.319 variations in accordance with the 01:57:32.399 --> 01:57:34.680 sustainable procurement framework that 01:57:34.760 --> 01:57:37.800 all tenders be advised of council's 01:57:37.880 --> 01:57:40.039 decision that's the recommendation there 01:57:40.119 --> 01:57:41.760 any questions about the recommendation 01:57:41.840 --> 01:57:44.439 councilors Mr s this would not be would 01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:46.520 this be reported back to Council in view 01:57:46.600 --> 01:57:49.439 of the amount of the contract if it's 01:57:49.520 --> 01:57:51.119 outside budget or if it goes over 01:57:51.199 --> 01:57:53.439 current budget 01:57:53.520 --> 01:57:57.279 ation so three Mr Mayor as it stands as 01:57:57.359 --> 01:58:00.000 it stands with the recommendation 01:58:00.079 --> 01:58:02.760 resolution there now no given that 01:58:02.840 --> 01:58:06.680 it's delegating authority to get this 01:58:08.960 --> 01:58:12.119 finalized any questions cancellers you 01:58:12.199 --> 01:58:14.640 have just a comment Mr May placing great 01:58:14.720 --> 01:58:17.279 trust in the staff having read the 01:58:17.359 --> 01:58:20.920 report which I do I I have myate 01:58:21.000 --> 01:58:22.760 timate 01:58:22.840 --> 01:58:24.920 respecting for the staff in this 01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:26.680 particular all staff as a matter of fact 01:58:26.760 --> 01:58:29.439 this is this is a little bit technical 01:58:29.520 --> 01:58:31.840 but I'm absolutely certain that we 01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:33.840 we'll get we'll get the result we want 01:58:33.920 --> 01:58:36.039 so that's the reason I'm moving it 01:58:36.119 --> 01:58:38.119 thanks you're happy to move the other 01:58:38.199 --> 01:58:40.640 points one do we have a second of those 01:58:40.720 --> 01:58:44.359 points Council SE Council Alan youve 01:58:44.439 --> 01:58:45.800 basically already spoke to it anyone 01:58:45.880 --> 01:58:48.920 wish to speak against I speak against I 01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:50.960 put the motion all those in 01:58:51.039 --> 01:58:53.520 favor carried 01:58:53.600 --> 01:58:56.880 unanimously 10 items 10 local government 01:58:56.960 --> 01:58:59.319 annual conference motion we circulated 01:58:59.399 --> 01:59:02.720 some of those this is for 01:59:02.800 --> 01:59:08.239 the need to be lodged by 15th of August 01:59:09.880 --> 01:59:13.720 24 just for you I just had one 01:59:13.800 --> 01:59:17.439 that I wanted to add I've read the 01:59:17.520 --> 01:59:20.039 council sorry not the council 01:59:20.119 --> 01:59:22.920 docent the did I put it 01:59:23.000 --> 01:59:26.119 left it in the room and the local 01:59:26.199 --> 01:59:29.279 government New South Wales policy agenda 01:59:29.359 --> 01:59:31.039 and just one that it's missing that I 01:59:31.119 --> 01:59:32.319 thought would be good to put up and we 01:59:32.399 --> 01:59:33.359 don't need to do the wording now I've 01:59:33.439 --> 01:59:36.600 spoken to the CEO about it is just 01:59:36.680 --> 01:59:39.960 establishing future Highway 01:59:40.039 --> 01:59:43.079 corridors in Regional areas there is a 01:59:43.159 --> 01:59:45.760 the CEO can spected this perhaps if I 01:59:45.840 --> 01:59:48.039 if you might they had a corridor 01:59:48.119 --> 01:59:54.039 strategy which was done oh 12 years ago 01:59:54.279 --> 01:59:57.159 10 years ago but it's just become like 01:59:57.239 --> 01:59:59.079 it's just become a large issue a big 01:59:59.159 --> 02:00:01.840 issue recently because with a lot of 02:00:01.920 --> 02:00:04.079 more subdivisions happening in our 02:00:04.159 --> 02:00:08.720 area especially where we're losing 02:00:08.800 --> 02:00:13.199 really critical land that might be 02:00:13.279 --> 02:00:16.720 used in the future for for highways 02:00:16.800 --> 02:00:18.720 and what it will do then and you know 02:00:18.800 --> 02:00:20.399 that Council Porter and I were been 02:00:20.479 --> 02:00:22.800 talking to for New South Wales the 02:00:22.880 --> 02:00:24.359 other day and I said you know that 02:00:24.439 --> 02:00:26.399 you're going to eventually have to 02:00:26.479 --> 02:00:28.279 compulsorily acquire homes and she said 02:00:28.359 --> 02:00:30.439 yeah and I said well that's horrific I 02:00:30.520 --> 02:00:32.640 mean like it might be in 20 years time 02:00:32.720 --> 02:00:35.720 but if you take out 100 150 homes to 02:00:35.800 --> 02:00:38.279 put a it's extremely disruptive and it's 02:00:38.359 --> 02:00:40.319 completely inefficient and stupid and so 02:00:40.399 --> 02:00:43.199 I think one of the that I'd like to add 02:00:43.279 --> 02:00:44.960 is is a is a DOT point on this that 02:00:45.039 --> 02:00:47.960 we sterilize you know Highway cor invest 02:00:48.039 --> 02:00:49.680 money New South Wales government invests 02:00:49.760 --> 02:00:52.439 money into Highway planning to Road 02:00:52.520 --> 02:00:54.880 Corridor and the big ones 02:00:54.960 --> 02:00:56.439 brogo 02:00:56.520 --> 02:01:00.840 pambula bypass Eden bypass because 02:01:00.920 --> 02:01:02.479 you it might not happen for 20 30 years 02:01:02.560 --> 02:01:05.039 I get it but it's you know where we're 02:01:05.119 --> 02:01:06.640 allowing all of these subdivisions in 02:01:06.720 --> 02:01:08.239 the meantime it's silly and it's bad for 02:01:08.319 --> 02:01:11.760 our planning as well so if do you 02:01:11.840 --> 02:01:14.960 want me to put something to that 02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:19.840 or three Mr Mayor there there's 02:01:19.920 --> 02:01:21.840 understanding the intent of this what i' 02:01:21.920 --> 02:01:24.760 recommend is that we add a part three 02:01:24.840 --> 02:01:27.560 which is that staff develop a draft 02:01:27.640 --> 02:01:30.239 motion relating to securing future 02:01:30.319 --> 02:01:32.880 Highway Corridor needs yeah and and 02:01:32.960 --> 02:01:35.520 we'll keep it so that would be the 02:01:35.600 --> 02:01:36.920 words reason to keep it relatively 02:01:37.000 --> 02:01:38.439 higher level is to remember this is 02:01:38.520 --> 02:01:39.880 something we're going to try and take 02:01:39.960 --> 02:01:43.000 Statewide and it is a Statewide issue 02:01:43.079 --> 02:01:45.439 but in our back yeah but in our 02:01:45.520 --> 02:01:47.840 background we can Yeah in our background 02:01:47.920 --> 02:01:49.880 we can put some context around that so 02:01:49.960 --> 02:01:51.279 happy to do that and give a little bit 02:01:51.359 --> 02:01:53.359 more back when we bring it up on what's 02:01:53.439 --> 02:01:54.720 actually happened in the past with 02:01:54.800 --> 02:01:58.359 planning the road corles so so someone 02:01:58.439 --> 02:02:00.359 allow will to move the recommendation 02:02:00.439 --> 02:02:02.720 that we endorse all 02:02:02.800 --> 02:02:06.239 those Council right Council SE all those 02:02:06.319 --> 02:02:07.319 in 02:02:07.399 --> 02:02:09.680 favor 02:02:09.760 --> 02:02:13.840 carried adoption of event strategy 2004 02:02:13.920 --> 02:02:17.439 2028 Council o counc agree if you got a 02:02:17.520 --> 02:02:20.079 question yeah just a question to 02:02:20.159 --> 02:02:24.239 about Miss Harrison the in it there 02:02:24.319 --> 02:02:26.720 is a calendar of 02:02:26.800 --> 02:02:31.399 events and it says updating of this 02:02:31.479 --> 02:02:34.239 calendar would only be done I I think it 02:02:34.319 --> 02:02:37.720 talks about in asking industry or in 02:02:37.800 --> 02:02:41.600 collaboration with industry and I 02:02:41.680 --> 02:02:42.439 just 02:02:42.520 --> 02:02:45.079 wondered you know what is entailed in 02:02:45.159 --> 02:02:48.079 just updating that is there not a staff 02:02:48.159 --> 02:02:51.119 person in our library or somewhere that 02:02:51.199 --> 02:02:55.199 could not introduce new necessary events 02:02:55.279 --> 02:02:57.800 but at least update what is there in a 02:02:57.880 --> 02:03:00.159 it's a very valuable 02:03:00.239 --> 02:03:03.359 asset yeah rather than what is the 02:03:03.439 --> 02:03:07.399 concept of industry in that 02:03:07.720 --> 02:03:11.520 comment through you Mr Mayor I can 02:03:11.600 --> 02:03:14.079 that's okay I can confirm that we have 02:03:14.159 --> 02:03:17.119 identified $30,000 in this year's budget 02:03:17.199 --> 02:03:20.239 for us to be able to deliver that 02:03:20.319 --> 02:03:22.720 events calendar and understand how we 02:03:22.800 --> 02:03:24.920 would manage it with regards to the 02:03:25.000 --> 02:03:27.199 industries that we would be working with 02:03:27.279 --> 02:03:30.239 it is the events industry and the the 02:03:30.319 --> 02:03:32.880 sector the tourism sector oh thank you 02:03:32.960 --> 02:03:34.720 I'm happy to move the 02:03:34.800 --> 02:03:37.239 recommendation council's moved it so 02:03:37.319 --> 02:03:39.159 Council gri you're happy to Second it 02:03:39.239 --> 02:03:41.880 thank you can I make a comment Please Mr 02:03:41.960 --> 02:03:44.880 you surely can this quicking at the 02:03:44.960 --> 02:03:47.039 three events that were added and one of 02:03:47.119 --> 02:03:49.840 them includes the tth of pig day out and 02:03:49.920 --> 02:03:52.359 I strongly object to that 02:03:52.439 --> 02:03:56.039 event because it's using live animals 02:03:56.119 --> 02:03:58.239 it's called a family day out and it 02:03:58.319 --> 02:04:02.560 actually encourages gety 02:04:08.359 --> 02:04:11.880 Pig option event strategy counselors say 02:04:11.960 --> 02:04:13.760 that even though it makes a lot of money 02:04:13.840 --> 02:04:16.439 I know that move counselor Council agef 02:04:16.520 --> 02:04:17.600 all those in 02:04:17.680 --> 02:04:20.319 favor carried unanimously thanks 02:04:20.399 --> 02:04:23.960 classification of landb yards being on 02:04:24.039 --> 02:04:28.119 display councelor n councelor 02:04:28.199 --> 02:04:30.880 Allan any questions for the 02:04:30.960 --> 02:04:33.239 recommendation all those in favor 02:04:33.319 --> 02:04:35.199 carried classification of land has been 02:04:35.279 --> 02:04:37.880 through the 28 day public process at T 02:04:37.960 --> 02:04:40.039 with no submissions someone like to move 02:04:40.119 --> 02:04:42.199 the 02:04:44.760 --> 02:04:47.359 recommendation Council second Council 02:04:47.439 --> 02:04:50.760 right all those in favor carried 02:04:50.840 --> 02:04:52.479 unanimously 02:04:52.560 --> 02:04:56.720 extension of tenure to playability 02:05:04.800 --> 02:05:07.800 Eden 02:05:11.399 --> 02:05:14.199 10.5 02:05:14.279 --> 02:05:18.960 10.5 T well 10.5 is the next one which 02:05:19.039 --> 02:05:22.960 is playability Eden 02:05:26.680 --> 02:05:28.479 everything happens in just ask cancel 02:05:28.560 --> 02:05:31.039 Robin all 02:05:35.199 --> 02:05:39.479 right councel Robin happy to 02:05:39.960 --> 02:05:44.079 Second y I ask a 02:05:45.920 --> 02:05:48.079 question I just want to know would this 02:05:48.159 --> 02:05:50.560 have any impact like we're talking about 02:05:50.640 --> 02:05:52.359 02:05:52.439 --> 02:05:55.680 the child care and that's a part of that 02:05:55.760 --> 02:05:58.760 sort of complex there is there any would 02:05:58.840 --> 02:06:01.119 this have any impact on that if you if 02:06:01.199 --> 02:06:04.079 you did something 02:06:04.159 --> 02:06:05.680 different 02:06:05.760 --> 02:06:09.439 binding if you if like to extend their 02:06:09.520 --> 02:06:11.119 the 02:06:11.199 --> 02:06:13.119 pabilities you mean if we do extend 02:06:13.199 --> 02:06:14.600 their child care facility would it 02:06:14.680 --> 02:06:16.920 affect theab 02:06:17.000 --> 02:06:19.199 yes 02:06:19.279 --> 02:06:23.560 turn yeah three Miss so 02:06:24.239 --> 02:06:28.279 yes so as in playability is yes so what 02:06:28.359 --> 02:06:33.039 this does is it does not in any way 02:06:33.119 --> 02:06:35.319 jeopardize it actually secures that 02:06:35.399 --> 02:06:37.079 playability service just to be clear 02:06:37.159 --> 02:06:39.319 what playability offer versus our 02:06:39.399 --> 02:06:41.600 children's services are two very very 02:06:41.680 --> 02:06:43.119 different types of 02:06:43.199 --> 02:06:45.279 services I thought where you may have 02:06:45.359 --> 02:06:47.239 been heading which I'm now clear you're 02:06:47.319 --> 02:06:50.159 not was on if we did this does this 02:06:50.239 --> 02:06:52.840 limit Council ever considering utilizing 02:06:52.920 --> 02:06:55.720 that land for another purpose but I even 02:06:55.800 --> 02:06:57.600 preliminary off the top of my head don't 02:06:57.680 --> 02:07:00.079 think it would be suitable anyway so it 02:07:00.159 --> 02:07:02.159 reinforces the service 02:07:02.239 --> 02:07:04.000 basically 02:07:04.079 --> 02:07:07.199 yeah thanks counc and councel Robin no 02:07:07.279 --> 02:07:09.840 further questions all those in 02:07:09.920 --> 02:07:13.000 favor carried generously leading Gateway 02:07:13.079 --> 02:07:15.319 building tenure Arrangements extension 02:07:15.399 --> 02:07:17.920 of leas to the Community Access Center 02:07:18.000 --> 02:07:21.760 councel Robin you happy to move it good 02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:23.880 Robin Council 02:07:23.960 --> 02:07:26.119 nen any questions 02:07:26.199 --> 02:07:28.279 councilors all those in 02:07:28.359 --> 02:07:31.479 favor carried unanimously Road transfer 02:07:31.560 --> 02:07:33.960 we had a delegation today regard to that 02:07:34.039 --> 02:07:35.119 in supportive of the staff 02:07:35.199 --> 02:07:36.840 recommendation is there anything to add 02:07:36.920 --> 02:07:39.479 to that Mr three minutes me I'll just 02:07:39.560 --> 02:07:41.079 give a quick little bit of additional 02:07:41.159 --> 02:07:43.920 context here there's a few steps that 02:07:44.000 --> 02:07:46.079 the Eden local AB origional land Council 02:07:46.159 --> 02:07:50.119 had to meet to be able to get a 02:07:50.199 --> 02:07:52.560 construction certificate this is one of 02:07:52.640 --> 02:07:54.319 those they've been progressing with a 02:07:54.399 --> 02:07:56.800 couple of other bits and if we can get 02:07:56.880 --> 02:07:59.039 this all lined up within a reasonable 02:07:59.119 --> 02:08:02.680 time frame then it should allow them to 02:08:02.760 --> 02:08:04.359 potentially access additional funding 02:08:04.439 --> 02:08:06.039 they need to see this development happen 02:08:06.119 --> 02:08:07.560 so they are looking to access some 02:08:07.640 --> 02:08:09.479 additional funds this is critical and 02:08:09.560 --> 02:08:11.000 the timing of this is critical for them 02:08:11.079 --> 02:08:13.520 to be able to be considered for that 02:08:13.600 --> 02:08:16.239 funding and staff have been working 02:08:16.319 --> 02:08:18.520 with them to get to this point so if 02:08:18.600 --> 02:08:20.359 Council supports this we hopeful we can 02:08:20.439 --> 02:08:24.520 meet the time frames need to to support 02:08:24.600 --> 02:08:27.840 them thanks counselors any further 02:08:27.920 --> 02:08:29.920 questions recommendations someone happy 02:08:30.000 --> 02:08:34.800 to move it councilor Robin councilor SE 02:08:34.880 --> 02:08:36.600 all those in 02:08:36.680 --> 02:08:37.920 favor carried 02:08:38.000 --> 02:08:39.239 [Music] 02:08:39.319 --> 02:08:41.840 unanimously 10.8 preparing Australian 02:08:41.920 --> 02:08:43.800 communities funding projects Council you 02:08:43.880 --> 02:08:46.399 have the confidential report I think 02:08:46.479 --> 02:08:48.760 attachment as well as the smary in the 02:08:48.840 --> 02:08:50.920 open papers Mr CA did you want to 02:08:51.000 --> 02:08:53.640 elaborate on want any of this to council 02:08:53.720 --> 02:08:55.960 openly through Mr May the only bit I 02:08:56.039 --> 02:08:57.920 will say is that this is fairly 02:08:58.000 --> 02:09:01.039 unique the process for seeking support 02:09:01.119 --> 02:09:03.199 to go through here and I think the 02:09:03.279 --> 02:09:06.960 report outlines the reasons why and 02:09:07.039 --> 02:09:08.800 sort of the the risks associated with 02:09:08.880 --> 02:09:11.760 not going down this pathway which staff 02:09:11.840 --> 02:09:16.439 believe are high than the risks of of 02:09:16.520 --> 02:09:18.159 not sorry we believe that the risk of 02:09:18.239 --> 02:09:19.479 not going down this pathway are higher 02:09:19.560 --> 02:09:23.399 than the risks of supporting it 02:09:23.479 --> 02:09:25.960 caners 02:09:26.039 --> 02:09:28.399 questions questions 02:09:28.479 --> 02:09:30.640 cancels you happy to move it counselor 02:09:30.720 --> 02:09:32.239 or question or you happy to move 02:09:32.319 --> 02:09:33.479 counselor 02:09:33.560 --> 02:09:37.119 now question first yep 02:09:37.199 --> 02:09:40.840 the internal Council resources 02:09:40.920 --> 02:09:43.119 shortage and the need to engage a 02:09:43.199 --> 02:09:46.119 contractor I get is there any prospect 02:09:46.199 --> 02:09:47.600 that the people that we work with 02:09:47.680 --> 02:09:51.640 through this process could later be 02:09:51.720 --> 02:09:53.920 contracted for staff contracted to staff 02:09:54.000 --> 02:09:55.560 and become part of our establishment 02:09:55.640 --> 02:09:56.880 there's going to be a fair bit of 02:09:56.960 --> 02:09:58.720 corporate knowledge built up during this 02:09:58.800 --> 02:10:00.800 process which would be so valuable for 02:10:00.880 --> 02:10:04.119 this sh that would be a key outome yes 02:10:04.199 --> 02:10:06.239 Mr Mayor that would be wonderful if that 02:10:06.319 --> 02:10:07.680 happened and we've actually seen the 02:10:07.760 --> 02:10:09.119 reverse happen though the internal 02:10:09.199 --> 02:10:10.640 resources that we're doing this went out 02:10:10.720 --> 02:10:13.840 to the private sector so ideally if we 02:10:13.920 --> 02:10:15.880 did engage someone that got in on this 02:10:15.960 --> 02:10:17.199 project and they wanted to work for us 02:10:17.279 --> 02:10:18.720 so it would be great 02:10:18.800 --> 02:10:22.479 but yeah 02:10:22.560 --> 02:10:23.800 the point is we'd love to have more 02:10:23.880 --> 02:10:25.359 technical Professionals in the fields 02:10:25.439 --> 02:10:27.239 that we are struggling to recruit at the 02:10:27.319 --> 02:10:28.840 moment that there's industry shortages 02:10:28.920 --> 02:10:30.520 in and if the opportunity came up down 02:10:30.600 --> 02:10:31.840 the track that someone applied for a 02:10:31.920 --> 02:10:35.319 role with us we'd be very happy well 02:10:35.399 --> 02:10:37.520 I'll qu through the motion that case 02:10:37.600 --> 02:10:39.079 let's just make sure we make them a nice 02:10:39.159 --> 02:10:42.640 cup of coffee every morning move counc 02:10:42.720 --> 02:10:46.319 second second Council 02:10:46.399 --> 02:10:48.680 Robin all those in 02:10:48.760 --> 02:10:54.039 favor no 10.8 carried all those in 02:10:54.119 --> 02:10:58.000 favor carried unanimously 10.9 Twi at 02:10:58.079 --> 02:11:00.000 the hall repayment we had the address 02:11:00.079 --> 02:11:03.000 today Mr 02:11:03.239 --> 02:11:05.920 M Mr M we had the address today anything 02:11:06.000 --> 02:11:08.279 to 02:11:08.359 --> 02:11:11.039 add oh that's 02:11:11.119 --> 02:11:14.000 right sorry I have to declare a conflict 02:11:14.079 --> 02:11:16.520 of interests it's a non-pecuniary one 02:11:16.600 --> 02:11:18.880 non-significant and it is because I am a 02:11:18.960 --> 02:11:20.840 former member of the board of 02:11:20.920 --> 02:11:23.159 management of the twiford wall 02:11:23.239 --> 02:11:25.039 Incorporated and 02:11:25.119 --> 02:11:27.880 complex and but have not been on any of 02:11:27.960 --> 02:11:30.560 that board since 02:11:30.840 --> 02:11:34.680 2021 coun 02:11:40.359 --> 02:11:45.000 motion say comment on 02:11:45.079 --> 02:11:47.199 microphones I just ask the CEO to 02:11:47.279 --> 02:11:50.119 comment on this and you know I guess the 02:11:50.199 --> 02:11:53.720 deputation that was made today and 02:11:53.800 --> 02:11:56.680 specifically on you know the the 02:11:56.760 --> 02:12:01.000 OC and when they can get their next 02:12:01.079 --> 02:12:04.560 trunch as the word is of which is 02:12:04.640 --> 02:12:08.640 their final Grant Milestone payment 02:12:08.720 --> 02:12:11.039 and what that does to them operationally 02:12:11.119 --> 02:12:14.359 to to survive and you know what you 02:12:14.439 --> 02:12:16.319 see moving forward is the probably you 02:12:16.399 --> 02:12:18.039 know when October 02:12:18.119 --> 02:12:20.920 comes so REM to me a couple of points on 02:12:21.000 --> 02:12:24.359 this over time Council staff and at 02:12:24.439 --> 02:12:25.840 different stages of mayor has been 02:12:25.920 --> 02:12:27.840 involved in this who have met with 02:12:27.920 --> 02:12:29.359 representatives from tord 02:12:29.439 --> 02:12:31.279 representatives from New South Wales 02:12:31.359 --> 02:12:33.640 Public Works and representatives from 02:12:33.720 --> 02:12:35.319 Department of regional New South Wales 02:12:35.399 --> 02:12:37.680 and at different stages we've had 02:12:37.760 --> 02:12:39.560 different pieces of advice and different 02:12:39.640 --> 02:12:41.159 commitments from each of those different 02:12:41.239 --> 02:12:42.640 parties and it's been really hard to 02:12:42.720 --> 02:12:46.880 unpick who has been transparent in 02:12:46.960 --> 02:12:48.640 what they've told us and who hasn't or 02:12:48.720 --> 02:12:50.279 whether people have genuinely at a point 02:12:50.359 --> 02:12:53.239 in time been to believe certain things 02:12:53.319 --> 02:12:55.439 and circstances have changed 02:12:55.520 --> 02:12:58.640 so from my perspective any Assurance 02:12:58.720 --> 02:13:00.439 we get from anyone that's been involved 02:13:00.520 --> 02:13:03.920 in this project to date is high risk 02:13:04.000 --> 02:13:09.159 and putting it more and the what 02:13:09.239 --> 02:13:12.880 you heard in the deputation today 02:13:12.960 --> 02:13:15.279 essentially it's kicking an issue 02:13:15.359 --> 02:13:16.760 down the track until the point in time 02:13:16.840 --> 02:13:18.279 where a similar decision is going to be 02:13:18.359 --> 02:13:20.199 made and you asked about what I believe 02:13:20.279 --> 02:13:21.520 this does to their fin financial 02:13:21.600 --> 02:13:23.560 position I can't answer that because as 02:13:23.640 --> 02:13:25.319 you heard today they can't answer that 02:13:25.399 --> 02:13:28.800 so they haven't been 02:13:32.800 --> 02:13:35.199 able we we've been assured several times 02:13:35.279 --> 02:13:37.039 over the last 18 months that that OC was 02:13:37.119 --> 02:13:40.079 coming at different stages and that's 02:13:40.159 --> 02:13:41.680 eight months ago that that was going to 02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:46.000 happen so guess my point is having 02:13:46.079 --> 02:13:47.600 monitored the project at different 02:13:47.680 --> 02:13:49.920 stages it is clearly from looking at it 02:13:50.000 --> 02:13:52.279 getting very very close now whereas some 02:13:52.359 --> 02:13:54.960 of the previous time commitments you 02:13:55.039 --> 02:13:56.800 could look at and go you're telling us 02:13:56.880 --> 02:13:58.600 this but I can't practically see you can 02:13:58.680 --> 02:14:00.800 actually practically start to see they 02:14:00.880 --> 02:14:05.439 are close now so whether whether at 02:14:05.520 --> 02:14:07.720 that point in time in October their 02:14:07.800 --> 02:14:09.560 financial capacity to do anything 02:14:09.640 --> 02:14:12.359 different to what they've stated here 02:14:12.439 --> 02:14:14.079 changes or not I'm not sure and I don't 02:14:14.159 --> 02:14:15.319 believe they are either based on what 02:14:15.399 --> 02:14:16.439 you heard 02:14:16.520 --> 02:14:18.479 today they won't know how much they have 02:14:18.560 --> 02:14:20.640 out of last Tren until they get every 02:14:20.720 --> 02:14:23.039 billion 02:14:25.880 --> 02:14:28.640 I guess further to that question you 02:14:28.720 --> 02:14:32.359 know the implications for Council 02:14:32.439 --> 02:14:37.680 of particularly at this juncture 02:14:37.760 --> 02:14:40.520 refusing this recommend I mean know 02:14:40.600 --> 02:14:42.199 refusing the 02:14:42.279 --> 02:14:44.640 funds as as was suggested in the 02:14:44.720 --> 02:14:46.800 deputation it might mean that we land 02:14:46.880 --> 02:14:49.560 with the theater to manage or you know 02:14:49.640 --> 02:14:50.960 can you comment about what the 02:14:51.039 --> 02:14:53.680 implications 02:14:53.760 --> 02:14:55.840 are yeah it's very Mr May one of the 02:14:55.920 --> 02:14:57.479 things I guess that slightly concerns me 02:14:57.560 --> 02:14:59.119 is that we had an assurance at a point 02:14:59.199 --> 02:15:01.359 in time earlier when the funds 02:15:01.439 --> 02:15:04.560 originally provided that if they 02:15:04.640 --> 02:15:07.000 didn't provide the funding back in the 02:15:07.079 --> 02:15:08.920 time frame they committed to provide we 02:15:09.000 --> 02:15:10.680 had a deed in place that was the 02:15:10.760 --> 02:15:13.159 fallback position they've then on 02:15:13.239 --> 02:15:15.279 several occasions defaulted on that 02:15:15.359 --> 02:15:18.239 which as a key component had in that 02:15:18.319 --> 02:15:20.239 Council receiving the rental income from 02:15:20.319 --> 02:15:23.880 the commercially occupied 02:15:23.960 --> 02:15:25.680 tendencies that go with the facility 02:15:25.760 --> 02:15:27.920 overall then again what we heard today 02:15:28.000 --> 02:15:32.520 was that if Council now decided to 02:15:32.600 --> 02:15:34.479 enforce the provisions of that current 02:15:34.560 --> 02:15:37.359 deed that may make them insolvent 02:15:37.439 --> 02:15:40.600 so it's really difficult from my 02:15:40.680 --> 02:15:42.600 perspective sitting here to give you any 02:15:42.680 --> 02:15:44.199 sort of assurance that council is going 02:15:44.279 --> 02:15:47.520 to get out of this in a positive way 02:15:47.600 --> 02:15:49.439 or what the actual consequences are 02:15:49.520 --> 02:15:52.159 because like I said and councelor nen 02:15:52.239 --> 02:15:54.880 asked this question this transparency in 02:15:54.960 --> 02:15:57.319 information on their financial positions 02:15:57.399 --> 02:15:59.640 always been very challenging to get and 02:15:59.720 --> 02:16:01.680 and a business plan that shows If you 02:16:01.760 --> 02:16:03.359 are going to operate this thing with 02:16:03.439 --> 02:16:05.680 these additional employees what does 02:16:05.760 --> 02:16:08.239 that mean to a financial bottom line 02:16:08.319 --> 02:16:10.520 being very difficult to secure so that's 02:16:10.600 --> 02:16:12.000 why that's why I've consistently 02:16:12.079 --> 02:16:14.199 recommended from a staff perspective 02:16:14.279 --> 02:16:16.000 what we have which is this is really 02:16:16.079 --> 02:16:21.600 high risk all the way through counc 02:16:21.680 --> 02:16:26.520 not yet that's one just coun Robin 02:16:26.600 --> 02:16:29.600 second can I just ask Council of Porter 02:16:29.680 --> 02:16:32.799 what was behind your idea of deferment 02:16:32.879 --> 02:16:35.120 what you think is going to arise from 02:16:35.200 --> 02:16:38.479 doing that that was a request today from 02:16:38.559 --> 02:16:41.559 the 02:16:43.200 --> 02:16:46.559 deputy I explain it 02:16:46.639 --> 02:16:49.200 Kathy basically the request today I 02:16:49.280 --> 02:16:50.600 thought was quite reasonable that they 02:16:50.680 --> 02:16:52.479 had the little bit of time to sort 02:16:52.559 --> 02:16:54.000 everything out and get everything into a 02:16:54.079 --> 02:16:55.559 position and we could make a 02:16:55.639 --> 02:16:57.399 commercially astute decision based on 02:16:57.479 --> 02:17:00.399 having all the Ducks lined 02:17:00.479 --> 02:17:03.239 up they won't have any money until they 02:17:03.319 --> 02:17:05.440 get their final pay from State could I 02:17:05.520 --> 02:17:08.159 ask a question then on the basis of 02:17:08.239 --> 02:17:09.360 Council 02:17:09.440 --> 02:17:13.159 Porter's 02:17:13.239 --> 02:17:16.159 motion if there if we got to 02:17:16.239 --> 02:17:18.639 October is it possible for the council 02:17:18.719 --> 02:17:21.440 staff to ask Regional new southwest to 02:17:21.520 --> 02:17:23.920 prepare a report for 02:17:24.000 --> 02:17:26.879 us given that they either expect us to 02:17:26.959 --> 02:17:29.239 contribute to the cost or no that the 02:17:29.319 --> 02:17:33.239 asset still sits on our balance sheet 02:17:33.319 --> 02:17:36.200 and I would also ask that you do do a 02:17:36.280 --> 02:17:38.840 risk analysis report when it comes back 02:17:38.920 --> 02:17:42.159 in October of maybe checking with 02:17:42.239 --> 02:17:44.120 professional bodies on what the base 02:17:44.200 --> 02:17:46.079 level costs are for running a 200 seat 02:17:46.159 --> 02:17:49.159 theater in a town of with a catchment 02:17:49.239 --> 02:17:51.600 area about 15,000 02:17:51.680 --> 02:17:54.280 because it that the template 02:17:54.360 --> 02:17:57.319 exists Mr on the first part about asking 02:17:57.399 --> 02:17:59.319 Department of regional New South WS to 02:17:59.399 --> 02:18:01.399 provide us a report every time we've 02:18:01.479 --> 02:18:03.879 asked for information in the past they 02:18:03.959 --> 02:18:05.319 said their funding agreement is with 02:18:05.399 --> 02:18:07.479 twiford and they have their agreement 02:18:07.559 --> 02:18:09.879 and then how T manages that what our 02:18:09.959 --> 02:18:13.399 involvement is is up to us so they never 02:18:13.479 --> 02:18:15.440 Department of regional new southw was 02:18:15.520 --> 02:18:18.959 never expected Council to be involved 02:18:19.040 --> 02:18:22.280 in this project at any stage it was 02:18:22.360 --> 02:18:25.879 to iord that got us involved in it 02:18:25.959 --> 02:18:28.120 the the other concern I have with asking 02:18:28.200 --> 02:18:29.440 Department of regional New South Wales 02:18:29.520 --> 02:18:32.280 to do that is that no one with any 02:18:32.360 --> 02:18:34.920 knowledge of this project now works for 02:18:35.000 --> 02:18:36.319 Department of regional New South Wales 02:18:36.399 --> 02:18:37.799 have been through several restructures 02:18:37.879 --> 02:18:40.479 in the last 12 to 18 months and 02:18:40.559 --> 02:18:43.840 there's about four layers of people that 02:18:43.920 --> 02:18:45.479 have all been made redundant within 02:18:45.559 --> 02:18:47.520 Department of regional New South Wales 02:18:47.600 --> 02:18:50.920 so we could be asking for something that 02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:55.000 we may not get depending on what 02:18:55.079 --> 02:18:58.319 their records were like and and again 02:18:58.399 --> 02:19:02.319 depending on I don't know what the 02:19:02.399 --> 02:19:03.959 commercial nature of their funding 02:19:04.040 --> 02:19:05.920 agreements with certain entities are 02:19:06.000 --> 02:19:07.200 that's been one of the challenges we've 02:19:07.280 --> 02:19:09.040 had all along in asking Regional New 02:19:09.120 --> 02:19:11.600 South Wales and Public Works to say who 02:19:11.680 --> 02:19:14.120 is responsible responsible for paying 02:19:14.200 --> 02:19:15.680 what he and everyone's just pointed 02:19:15.760 --> 02:19:17.319 their fingers sideways with no evidence 02:19:17.399 --> 02:19:19.680 to either support or deny what each have 02:19:19.760 --> 02:19:21.479 said 02:19:21.559 --> 02:19:23.280 I suppose that's what comes to PO 02:19:23.360 --> 02:19:24.680 barreling really in the end no one wants 02:19:24.760 --> 02:19:26.200 to know who's actually responsible for 02:19:26.280 --> 02:19:28.719 the s of 02:19:31.840 --> 02:19:35.120 money I think the motion I just wondered 02:19:35.200 --> 02:19:37.520 councilor Porter October you've got a 02:19:37.600 --> 02:19:40.000 brand new Council and the theater would 02:19:40.079 --> 02:19:41.600 have been going one month I don't know 02:19:41.680 --> 02:19:44.360 if you would consider deferment in 02:19:44.440 --> 02:19:48.680 your motion until November 02:19:51.440 --> 02:19:55.280 the request from the proponent was 02:19:56.280 --> 02:19:58.719 October I think October's personally 02:19:58.799 --> 02:20:00.040 think 02:20:00.120 --> 02:20:03.600 October Mr Mayor if councilors were 02:20:03.680 --> 02:20:05.840 to ask me my opinion on the October date 02:20:05.920 --> 02:20:07.520 I would say it's a reasonable date for 02:20:07.600 --> 02:20:08.440 two 02:20:08.520 --> 02:20:11.200 reasons one mainly I actually would 02:20:11.280 --> 02:20:13.840 think it should be earlier that we 02:20:13.920 --> 02:20:15.879 are asking them because they should 02:20:15.959 --> 02:20:17.239 they're saying all this so they should 02:20:17.319 --> 02:20:18.760 know a lot more before that they should 02:20:18.840 --> 02:20:20.040 have had their end of financial 02:20:20.120 --> 02:20:22.360 information all audited by then the only 02:20:22.440 --> 02:20:24.559 reason I think October is reasonable is 02:20:24.639 --> 02:20:27.399 because we go into caretaker period soon 02:20:27.479 --> 02:20:29.559 and the first the first actual 02:20:29.639 --> 02:20:31.319 decision making meeting of council will 02:20:31.399 --> 02:20:32.680 be in mid October 02:20:32.760 --> 02:20:36.239 anyway the applicants oh today that you 02:20:36.319 --> 02:20:37.959 know they hope to have the occupation 02:20:38.040 --> 02:20:40.319 certificate that's one part of it next 02:20:40.399 --> 02:20:42.120 part is they must have a opening 02:20:42.200 --> 02:20:43.959 official opening to recognize the 02:20:44.040 --> 02:20:46.120 funding and that's planned for late 02:20:46.200 --> 02:20:48.120 August so when they're through those two 02:20:48.200 --> 02:20:50.239 as the CEOs just alluded to September 02:20:50.319 --> 02:20:52.040 they should be ready to start telling us 02:20:52.120 --> 02:20:54.559 exactly where we're up 02:20:54.639 --> 02:20:57.000 to just take some clarification Please 02:20:57.079 --> 02:20:59.360 Mr Mayor in terms of income for that 02:20:59.440 --> 02:21:00.799 particular 02:21:00.879 --> 02:21:04.440 area you'll have hopefully the tord hall 02:21:04.520 --> 02:21:06.200 but there are there are shops in the 02:21:06.280 --> 02:21:09.120 complex as well that income just to 02:21:09.200 --> 02:21:10.520 refresh everyone's memory that income 02:21:10.600 --> 02:21:14.840 goes to the committee 02:21:15.840 --> 02:21:18.760 yeah yeah so y so three Mr may just to 02:21:18.840 --> 02:21:20.959 rec clarify that there are commercial is 02:21:21.040 --> 02:21:22.719 there that they received the income for 02:21:22.799 --> 02:21:24.360 and part of the previous deed that they 02:21:24.440 --> 02:21:25.840 signed up to was that if they couldn't 02:21:25.920 --> 02:21:29.079 pay the 370,000 back within 12 months 02:21:29.159 --> 02:21:31.120 that they would then return that rental 02:21:31.200 --> 02:21:32.920 income back to council until the point 02:21:33.000 --> 02:21:34.520 in time where the funds were paid off 02:21:34.600 --> 02:21:37.040 within a specified time frame and 02:21:37.120 --> 02:21:39.239 they've defaulted on all of that and 02:21:39.319 --> 02:21:41.280 have returned nothing there was a point 02:21:41.360 --> 02:21:43.399 in time where they requested deferral of 02:21:43.479 --> 02:21:46.200 the first payment which Council resolved 02:21:46.280 --> 02:21:49.120 to support and so that's why the initial 02:21:49.200 --> 02:21:50.680 payment got kicked down the road and 02:21:50.760 --> 02:21:53.799 then now they've come back and said we 02:21:53.879 --> 02:21:55.719 we want out of that previous deed we 02:21:55.799 --> 02:21:57.639 want these new 02:21:57.719 --> 02:22:00.159 conditions so Council rep's motion is to 02:22:00.239 --> 02:22:02.840 refer to October for a decision then on 02:22:02.920 --> 02:22:06.319 the collection or how the money's 02:22:06.399 --> 02:22:08.639 recovered councelor Porter councel Robin 02:22:08.719 --> 02:22:10.280 all those in 02:22:10.360 --> 02:22:13.159 favor carried carried no councelor 02:22:13.239 --> 02:22:15.520 second against so councellors in favor 02:22:15.600 --> 02:22:19.200 Porter R Allan Fitzpatrick 02:22:19.280 --> 02:22:22.920 o oh well nen 02:22:23.000 --> 02:22:27.559 n right and Griff those against Council 02:22:27.639 --> 02:22:32.040 cold coun second against yes against 02:22:32.120 --> 02:22:35.840 motions carried item 02:22:38.280 --> 02:22:40.879 10.10 a risk and Improvement committee 02:22:40.959 --> 02:22:44.920 quarterly report abstaining Council coun 02:22:45.000 --> 02:22:46.799 audit risk and Improvement committee 02:22:46.879 --> 02:22:52.280 move councelor Allan yes second 02:22:52.520 --> 02:22:55.680 second don't get on me Council 02:22:55.760 --> 02:22:58.239 SE those in 02:22:58.319 --> 02:23:01.959 favor carried unanimously speak 02:23:02.040 --> 02:23:05.120 Investments questions councelor s Fen 02:23:05.200 --> 02:23:08.040 councel have one 02:23:08.120 --> 02:23:10.760 for thank you Mr I know you're L off 02:23:10.840 --> 02:23:13.280 today I imagine I imagine the big 02:23:13.360 --> 02:23:15.520 increase in the general fund is 02:23:15.600 --> 02:23:17.479 because of the [ __ ] money being 02:23:17.559 --> 02:23:22.040 interested yeah and then the 112% 02:23:22.120 --> 02:23:24.479 on on the interest bearing 02:23:24.559 --> 02:23:27.719 accordance with the budget is 02:23:27.799 --> 02:23:31.799 because we've counted for 02:23:31.879 --> 02:23:35.399 J in addition to the other the the 02:23:35.479 --> 02:23:38.280 budgeted B okay so we're getting more 02:23:38.360 --> 02:23:39.319 interested than we expected that's what 02:23:39.399 --> 02:23:42.120 we're saying beautiful initially we 02:23:42.200 --> 02:23:44.520 budget for none so 02:23:44.600 --> 02:23:47.639 oh we won't waake do quot adjustment on 02:23:47.719 --> 02:23:52.440 it that's part of quot budget 02:23:53.719 --> 02:23:55.879 review counc you happy to move to 02:23:55.959 --> 02:23:58.920 recommendation second Council gri all 02:23:59.000 --> 02:24:01.879 those in favor carried unanimously 02:24:01.959 --> 02:24:03.719 there's no council reports there's no 02:24:03.799 --> 02:24:06.719 recision alteration motions no oh notice 02:24:06.799 --> 02:24:09.879 motion Council agree for notion motion 02:24:09.959 --> 02:24:14.360 so councilors you've been here for eight 02:24:15.079 --> 02:24:18.719 hours councelor O'Neal SEC thank you 02:24:18.799 --> 02:24:21.719 so everyone's feeling very fresh and 02:24:21.799 --> 02:24:24.680 just in mood for me to talk about the 02:24:24.760 --> 02:24:28.760 existential crisis of climate change but 02:24:28.840 --> 02:24:31.959 you'll note that a lot of this 02:24:32.040 --> 02:24:34.920 motion is about noting and you know why 02:24:35.000 --> 02:24:38.360 the point of this is that a lot of this 02:24:38.440 --> 02:24:40.639 information that has been taking place 02:24:40.719 --> 02:24:44.559 say in the realm of the Jo is not 02:24:44.639 --> 02:24:46.840 necessarily you can't be it's very hard 02:24:46.920 --> 02:24:48.440 to be aware of everything in this 02:24:48.520 --> 02:24:51.000 Council and our climate residence 02:24:51.079 --> 02:24:53.520 strategy is something that I get asked 02:24:53.600 --> 02:24:56.479 about a lot probably because I get I 02:24:56.559 --> 02:25:00.079 represent the greens but 02:25:00.159 --> 02:25:02.799 but I know because they know where to go 02:25:02.879 --> 02:25:05.760 to get the answers but I am assured by 02:25:05.840 --> 02:25:07.559 Miss Harris and that it's something that 02:25:07.639 --> 02:25:11.040 we will be you will be looking at 02:25:11.120 --> 02:25:13.479 the next term but the reason it's 02:25:13.559 --> 02:25:16.959 important I think is that The JO has 02:25:17.040 --> 02:25:19.559 been doing a lot of work and the mayor 02:25:19.639 --> 02:25:23.200 and Council O'Neil and I attended or 02:25:23.280 --> 02:25:26.120 looked at the webinar of what's been 02:25:26.200 --> 02:25:29.879 happening there and what why I think 02:25:29.959 --> 02:25:31.760 it's important that this is drawn to the 02:25:31.840 --> 02:25:34.520 attention of everyone at the table is 02:25:34.600 --> 02:25:38.079 that the advantages the absolute 02:25:38.159 --> 02:25:40.719 necessity and the advantages of 02:25:40.799 --> 02:25:43.799 emissions reduction is made clear in 02:25:43.879 --> 02:25:46.200 that Jo and the work that has been done 02:25:46.280 --> 02:25:49.239 by all the councils and particularly in 02:25:49.319 --> 02:25:52.920 terms of saving money and that sort of 02:25:53.000 --> 02:25:55.440 thing is very clear we have two members 02:25:55.520 --> 02:25:59.799 of Staff that are our I guess they 02:25:59.879 --> 02:26:03.319 Representatives on the Jo that do 02:26:03.399 --> 02:26:06.120 the work in terms of the reduction of 02:26:06.200 --> 02:26:08.879 emissions and you know I had asked about 02:26:08.959 --> 02:26:11.760 that those staff members giving us a 02:26:11.840 --> 02:26:13.479 report of what is happening on the 02:26:13.559 --> 02:26:15.840 ground because quite a bit is happening 02:26:15.920 --> 02:26:18.360 but that hasn't taken place and maybe 02:26:18.440 --> 02:26:22.319 that's partly because of the Workshop 02:26:22.399 --> 02:26:25.159 timetable but this is it's it's very 02:26:25.239 --> 02:26:27.799 easy to sit in Big Valley and think that 02:26:27.879 --> 02:26:30.600 things are really kind of Dandy in 02:26:30.680 --> 02:26:32.840 climate change land but if you even 02:26:32.920 --> 02:26:35.399 watch just the weather reports it's 02:26:35.479 --> 02:26:39.399 clear that the temperatures every single 02:26:39.479 --> 02:26:42.959 month are going up to record levels 02:26:43.040 --> 02:26:46.680 every single month globally and th 02:26:46.760 --> 02:26:50.159 this it is so it is incredibly important 02:26:50.239 --> 02:26:52.479 important that we and also it's our 02:26:52.559 --> 02:26:55.079 legal responsibility that that we 02:26:55.159 --> 02:26:57.479 continue to do the work of that is 02:26:57.559 --> 02:27:00.280 being carried out in terms of reducing 02:27:00.360 --> 02:27:04.000 emissions it's also timely to recognize 02:27:04.079 --> 02:27:07.000 this because for instance I think 02:27:07.079 --> 02:27:10.479 it's on the 28th there's a launch of 02:27:10.559 --> 02:27:13.520 renewable burmi which shows what's 02:27:13.600 --> 02:27:16.040 happening in a lot of sect you know 02:27:16.120 --> 02:27:18.799 in other sectors and so those are the 02:27:18.879 --> 02:27:21.399 sorts of people that come and are saying 02:27:21.479 --> 02:27:23.319 well what is Council doing in that 02:27:23.399 --> 02:27:25.559 sphere and they are certainly doing a 02:27:25.639 --> 02:27:29.399 lot while we have done a lot there 02:27:29.479 --> 02:27:31.639 are certain areas where we haven't and 02:27:31.719 --> 02:27:34.120 that would be say transitioning our 02:27:34.200 --> 02:27:37.399 Fleet to EVs and the like the point is 02:27:37.479 --> 02:27:38.760 that 02:27:38.840 --> 02:27:42.079 the point is to also say that there 02:27:42.159 --> 02:27:44.959 is work ahead in this and that to 02:27:45.040 --> 02:27:47.319 refresh a commitment a commitment that's 02:27:47.399 --> 02:27:49.319 been made by all of you because you've 02:27:49.399 --> 02:27:51.399 all passed the climate resilience 02:27:51.479 --> 02:27:54.200 strategy in the past it was unanimously 02:27:54.280 --> 02:27:56.000 or I'm not sure if it was unanimously it 02:27:56.079 --> 02:27:58.799 was a majority passed by this Council 02:27:58.879 --> 02:28:01.840 but I I I think the point of it is as I 02:28:01.920 --> 02:28:06.239 say that people in this For often 02:28:06.319 --> 02:28:08.680 ask questions about why are we doing 02:28:08.760 --> 02:28:11.600 this what are solar panels cost how long 02:28:11.680 --> 02:28:14.719 will they last and some cynicism around 02:28:14.799 --> 02:28:17.559 it so for the point of looking ahead at 02:28:17.639 --> 02:28:20.639 what a fresh lot of counselors or some 02:28:20.719 --> 02:28:23.040 will do is to be firstly aware of the 02:28:23.120 --> 02:28:25.840 work that is being taken taking place 02:28:25.920 --> 02:28:27.479 for those that haven't had the 02:28:27.559 --> 02:28:29.639 opportunity of seeing the webinar that 02:28:29.719 --> 02:28:32.120 the Jo put together it shows a lot of 02:28:32.200 --> 02:28:36.319 the why this is this is so important and 02:28:36.399 --> 02:28:39.120 the the last point is saying that 02:28:39.200 --> 02:28:42.319 there's still a lot to be done and I 02:28:42.399 --> 02:28:44.959 hope you know to be aware when I'm not 02:28:45.040 --> 02:28:48.680 on Council but from what council does to 02:28:48.760 --> 02:28:50.639 further the goals that are in the 02:28:50.719 --> 02:28:54.319 climate resilience strategy but it is 02:28:54.399 --> 02:28:56.879 really important it all it is important 02:28:56.959 --> 02:28:59.600 for all levels of government and local 02:28:59.680 --> 02:29:02.559 government has a role and it's it's 02:29:02.639 --> 02:29:04.719 something that I think is probably more 02:29:04.799 --> 02:29:07.840 important than in my view of any other 02:29:07.920 --> 02:29:10.799 work that we're doing for the future of 02:29:10.879 --> 02:29:14.079 our children and grandchildren and 02:29:14.159 --> 02:29:17.879 the emissions targets are really modest 02:29:17.959 --> 02:29:20.799 much more so than what I and the 02:29:20.879 --> 02:29:22.280 greens would like to see but 02:29:22.360 --> 02:29:24.079 nevertheless they're in they're 02:29:24.159 --> 02:29:26.440 legislated and we need to be doing 02:29:26.520 --> 02:29:28.440 everything we can and be aware of what 02:29:28.520 --> 02:29:32.040 we're doing to reduce 02:29:35.879 --> 02:29:40.840 them alen Mr Mo this that's motion 02:29:40.920 --> 02:29:43.399 there's a statement but I think she 02:29:43.479 --> 02:29:44.239 needs 02:29:44.319 --> 02:29:46.520 clarification the statement simply says 02:29:46.600 --> 02:29:50.799 a net zero future is the only way we can 02:29:50.879 --> 02:29:53.040 guarantee is the only way we can 02:29:53.120 --> 02:29:55.920 guarantee a safe and secure home for our 02:29:56.000 --> 02:29:57.719 children grandchildren and generations 02:29:57.799 --> 02:30:00.200 to come I can't even tell you what's 02:30:00.280 --> 02:30:02.639 going to happen tomorrow that loan to 02:30:02.719 --> 02:30:05.200 guarantee a future for the children and 02:30:05.280 --> 02:30:07.600 grandchildren the generations to come 02:30:07.680 --> 02:30:09.440 that Net Zero is going to provide it 02:30:09.520 --> 02:30:11.959 like can someone convince me that that's 02:30:12.040 --> 02:30:17.719 worth supporting that's like we noad 02:30:21.000 --> 02:30:23.079 it's in there it's in the 02:30:23.159 --> 02:30:25.120 statement you got to guarantee the 02:30:25.200 --> 02:30:27.559 grandchildren that next is going to be 02:30:27.639 --> 02:30:29.399 the same the se's going to stop coming 02:30:29.479 --> 02:30:31.120 in and out wind's going to stop lying or 02:30:31.200 --> 02:30:33.840 whatever I think the point Council Allen 02:30:33.920 --> 02:30:36.200 is to say that without that movement 02:30:36.280 --> 02:30:39.360 towards net zero is the risk is to our 02:30:39.440 --> 02:30:41.879 children's future it says a contribution 02:30:41.959 --> 02:30:46.520 to a net zero future CH St I guarantee 02:30:46.600 --> 02:30:50.159 it I'll read it again a net zero future 02:30:50.239 --> 02:30:53.079 is the only way we can guarantee a safe 02:30:53.159 --> 02:30:55.000 and secure home for our children 02:30:55.079 --> 02:30:57.360 grandchildren the generations to come 02:30:57.440 --> 02:31:00.159 for goodness sake I've 02:31:00.239 --> 02:31:02.520 never that's in the Prelude it's not in 02:31:02.600 --> 02:31:04.959 the 02:31:07.319 --> 02:31:10.159 motion part 02:31:10.239 --> 02:31:12.879 of 02:31:12.959 --> 02:31:15.479 is in terms of notice the motion Mr 02:31:15.559 --> 02:31:17.920 Mayor in terms of trying to support 02:31:18.000 --> 02:31:20.920 it could I should offers offer just a 02:31:21.000 --> 02:31:24.200 small change to the 02:31:24.280 --> 02:31:27.760 point5 and after Community 02:31:27.840 --> 02:31:31.159 add future of our community and that at 02:31:31.239 --> 02:31:34.280 this stage there are limited resources 02:31:34.360 --> 02:31:36.840 available because this indicates that we 02:31:36.920 --> 02:31:38.959 need to put more resource into this into 02:31:39.040 --> 02:31:41.959 this proposal so and that at this 02:31:42.040 --> 02:31:43.719 stage there are limited resources 02:31:43.799 --> 02:31:47.280 available and adop point six Advocate to 02:31:47.360 --> 02:31:50.079 state and federal governments to fund is 02:31:50.159 --> 02:31:52.040 required to meet the targets that they 02:31:52.120 --> 02:31:54.040 have imposed on 02:31:54.120 --> 02:31:56.280 communities if we move in second we 02:31:56.360 --> 02:32:00.680 accept that if I W that's 02:32:02.399 --> 02:32:05.239 fine no I'm certainly not because the 02:32:05.319 --> 02:32:08.079 point of this and why I've raised it is 02:32:08.159 --> 02:32:11.680 that if you listen to the webinar the 02:32:11.760 --> 02:32:13.559 whole point of going to in this 02:32:13.639 --> 02:32:17.200 direction is for savings and that is 02:32:17.280 --> 02:32:20.360 what is being made clearly so I 02:32:20.440 --> 02:32:22.840 recommend if you doubt that don't take 02:32:22.920 --> 02:32:25.600 my word for it listen to the webinar 02:32:25.680 --> 02:32:28.280 from the Jo and those of us and 02:32:28.360 --> 02:32:30.680 councelor O'Neal might be able to allude 02:32:30.760 --> 02:32:33.239 to this too because she's listened to it 02:32:33.319 --> 02:32:35.440 it's very clear that what has being 02:32:35.520 --> 02:32:38.639 made is saving so we don't need to talk 02:32:38.719 --> 02:32:42.559 about as resources allow it is an Avenue 02:32:42.639 --> 02:32:46.600 for acculating 02:32:46.680 --> 02:32:49.559 resources R speaker again sorry could 02:32:49.639 --> 02:32:52.280 I have a question for the CEO please is 02:32:52.360 --> 02:32:56.040 is point nber five in the motion 02:32:56.120 --> 02:32:58.799 requiring us to put resources into 02:32:58.879 --> 02:33:00.959 something without identifying a budget 02:33:01.040 --> 02:33:01.799 an 02:33:01.879 --> 02:33:05.399 acceptable notice of 02:33:08.520 --> 02:33:12.520 motion Mr Mayor the way that the way 02:33:12.600 --> 02:33:15.920 that part five is worded at the moment 02:33:16.000 --> 02:33:19.440 it is not actually committing Council to 02:33:19.520 --> 02:33:21.559 do anything it's stating the fact that 02:33:21.639 --> 02:33:23.719 we haven't got enough resources 02:33:23.799 --> 02:33:27.000 allocated now to do all of this stuff 02:33:27.079 --> 02:33:29.879 so I guess 02:33:29.959 --> 02:33:32.520 councilor Allen's addition at the end 02:33:32.600 --> 02:33:34.319 would just reinforced that point that 02:33:34.399 --> 02:33:36.000 it's not committing us to anything it's 02:33:36.079 --> 02:33:37.520 acknowledging that the resources aren't 02:33:37.600 --> 02:33:39.920 there now but at the moment that 02:33:40.000 --> 02:33:42.239 would not commit us to spending anything 02:33:42.319 --> 02:33:44.799 additional it's just acknowledging that 02:33:44.879 --> 02:33:46.719 more resources are 02:33:46.799 --> 02:33:48.719 required but there's a followup question 02:33:48.799 --> 02:33:51.079 to that because point four is about what 02:33:51.159 --> 02:33:52.799 is allocated in the budget and what we 02:33:52.879 --> 02:33:55.239 might do with it yeah so we have got 02:33:55.319 --> 02:33:58.799 some allocation but I understood that 02:33:58.879 --> 02:34:01.959 one of the things out of the cjo is that 02:34:02.040 --> 02:34:06.520 and me at alga last last month is 02:34:06.600 --> 02:34:09.079 that we actually need to set lots of 02:34:09.159 --> 02:34:10.159 interim 02:34:10.239 --> 02:34:12.959 targets while we're getting there so 02:34:13.040 --> 02:34:15.040 we've got the savings off our Renewable 02:34:15.120 --> 02:34:17.840 Power contract as negotiated by our 02:34:17.920 --> 02:34:20.120 director of business and governments 02:34:20.200 --> 02:34:21.239 we're looking at what we're doing with 02:34:21.319 --> 02:34:21.959 the 02:34:22.040 --> 02:34:25.159 recycling plant we're looking at working 02:34:25.239 --> 02:34:26.639 with various people on the circular 02:34:26.719 --> 02:34:28.959 economy including what happens to soft 02:34:29.040 --> 02:34:31.799 Plastics but they are all bits and 02:34:31.879 --> 02:34:34.600 pieces unless we put them into specific 02:34:34.680 --> 02:34:36.559 short-term targets what will this do to 02:34:36.639 --> 02:34:39.479 our overall Target so we have got 02:34:39.559 --> 02:34:41.719 some allocation resources in here we 02:34:41.799 --> 02:34:42.920 have got some responsibilities that 02:34:43.000 --> 02:34:44.680 we're getting ourselves which we can 02:34:44.760 --> 02:34:47.200 mark in this and then and yes then 02:34:47.280 --> 02:34:48.639 there's a point at the the end that 02:34:48.719 --> 02:34:50.479 there's lots more to do and will be 02:34:50.559 --> 02:34:52.559 heavily reliant on grants as it's 02:34:52.639 --> 02:34:54.680 already laid out in now waste and water 02:34:54.760 --> 02:34:56.600 strategies of the upgrades for our 02:34:56.680 --> 02:35:00.920 sewage treatment plants and that s of 02:35:03.680 --> 02:35:06.879 stuff can I just point of order when it 02:35:06.959 --> 02:35:11.280 comes to Motions like 02:35:11.639 --> 02:35:14.079 this can I just point of order like is 02:35:14.159 --> 02:35:16.200 this a legitimate notice of motion I 02:35:16.280 --> 02:35:18.280 only say because everything here is 02:35:18.360 --> 02:35:21.200 acknowledged no no and recognize and all 02:35:21.280 --> 02:35:22.399 I say is it doesn't matter whether you 02:35:22.479 --> 02:35:23.840 vote against it or not it doesn't matter 02:35:23.920 --> 02:35:26.079 it's irrelevant all of this no but all 02:35:26.159 --> 02:35:29.200 of this is all counil anyway so does 02:35:29.280 --> 02:35:31.200 that make it a does it make it a 02:35:31.280 --> 02:35:33.399 legitimate motion according to the code 02:35:33.479 --> 02:35:36.399 of meeting practice because we're voting 02:35:36.479 --> 02:35:38.159 for things that we've already voted on 02:35:38.239 --> 02:35:39.280 like it's just asking for 02:35:39.360 --> 02:35:40.959 acknowledgement acknowledgement like 02:35:41.040 --> 02:35:42.799 what is it it's grandstanding then you 02:35:42.879 --> 02:35:46.319 know counc thank you 02:35:46.399 --> 02:35:48.920 councilors Council griffi spoke for it 02:35:49.000 --> 02:35:52.239 and speaker against any speaker against 02:35:52.319 --> 02:35:53.959 counc do you wish to speak for it in 02:35:54.040 --> 02:35:56.479 your second 02:35:58.239 --> 02:36:01.159 it okay thank you for the staff work so 02:36:01.239 --> 02:36:03.520 far we've got a lot to do in the next 02:36:03.600 --> 02:36:05.719 year as we've got in our budget and I 02:36:05.799 --> 02:36:07.200 think the elected Council will have to 02:36:07.280 --> 02:36:10.920 keep track of it and tracking and 02:36:11.000 --> 02:36:13.040 targeting is the way to get things done 02:36:13.120 --> 02:36:14.760 so we can take this 02:36:14.840 --> 02:36:17.159 resolution and track what's happening 02:36:17.239 --> 02:36:19.319 under our net zero emissions reduction 02:36:19.399 --> 02:36:22.079 plan plan that will give the staff Clear 02:36:22.159 --> 02:36:23.639 Directions in the work that they want to 02:36:23.719 --> 02:36:26.959 do anyway coun any speaker against 02:36:27.040 --> 02:36:28.799 Council Griff there's no one spoken 02:36:28.879 --> 02:36:30.399 against so there's no right reply and I 02:36:30.479 --> 02:36:32.079 put the motion all those in 02:36:32.159 --> 02:36:34.559 favor councilor Griff councel Robin 02:36:34.639 --> 02:36:37.280 Council o' counc SE Council right those 02:36:37.360 --> 02:36:39.360 against councelor Porter Council Allen 02:36:39.440 --> 02:36:41.959 councelor fatrick counc no not against 02:36:42.040 --> 02:36:44.520 it even no the motion's carried thank 02:36:44.600 --> 02:36:46.760 you counselors questions with notice 02:36:46.840 --> 02:36:49.520 questions without notice couple aners 02:36:49.600 --> 02:36:51.639 is there the probable maxim flood 02:36:51.719 --> 02:36:55.239 mapping appropriate for 02:36:55.799 --> 02:37:00.200 today yeah I've got a question without 02:37:00.280 --> 02:37:02.760 notice question without notice Council 02:37:02.840 --> 02:37:05.319 Griff yeah 02:37:05.399 --> 02:37:06.840 02:37:06.920 --> 02:37:10.399 yes I just had a question that if 02:37:10.479 --> 02:37:14.079 the staff would be able to inform us 02:37:14.159 --> 02:37:17.079 about information you might have 02:37:17.159 --> 02:37:19.680 about the dangers or risks in ter terms 02:37:19.760 --> 02:37:23.280 of silica dust because this has now 02:37:23.360 --> 02:37:26.799 Arisen in terms of the debate that 02:37:26.879 --> 02:37:29.959 we've had today and it's very pertinent 02:37:30.040 --> 02:37:33.440 to the Bor Quarry which we now learn is 02:37:33.520 --> 02:37:35.959 not going to be decided but it by 02:37:36.040 --> 02:37:38.959 this Council but it has been raised and 02:37:39.040 --> 02:37:40.639 a lot of people have been asking when it 02:37:40.719 --> 02:37:42.959 will be decided I just wanted to know 02:37:43.040 --> 02:37:45.559 what if there was any updated 02:37:45.639 --> 02:37:48.200 information about dealing with and risks 02:37:48.280 --> 02:37:52.479 in terms of silica dust 02:37:53.319 --> 02:37:56.879 inquiry Mr Mayor we take that on notice 02:37:56.959 --> 02:37:59.159 this replies the questions previously 02:37:59.239 --> 02:38:02.840 West C Road R fire service and also the 02:38:02.920 --> 02:38:06.239 flooding one previously cers we have 02:38:06.319 --> 02:38:08.440 confidential business I need someone to 02:38:08.520 --> 02:38:10.440 move while we do with the CEO's 02:38:10.520 --> 02:38:12.440 performance apprais in close session 02:38:12.520 --> 02:38:15.200 Council right seconded by councilor 02:38:15.280 --> 02:38:17.319 Allen all those in favor thank you we'll 02:38:17.399 --> 02:38:21.440 move into close session carried unan 02:38:22.840 --> 02:38:27.639 ly thanks councilors motion to 02:38:27.719 --> 02:38:30.520 recommence councelor Allen councelor 02:38:30.600 --> 02:38:33.559 right and coate that Council nen and 02:38:33.639 --> 02:38:36.079 councelor Porter have left for the day 02:38:36.159 --> 02:38:38.920 councilors we have the CEO's performance 02:38:39.000 --> 02:38:42.719 review done in close session the 02:38:42.799 --> 02:38:44.399 recommendation is that councilors 02:38:44.479 --> 02:38:46.559 endorse the res resolution of the Clos 02:38:46.639 --> 02:38:47.600 section in 02:38:47.680 --> 02:38:51.200 16.1 m councelor alen seconder counselor 02:38:51.280 --> 02:38:53.920 right all those in favor carried 02:38:54.000 --> 02:38:55.760 unanimously thanks councilors that 02:38:55.840 --> 02:38:59.000 finishes the meeting of the 24th of 7th 02:38:59.079 --> 02:39:00.399 thank you for time your time and 02:39:00.479 --> 02:39:02.040 patience we had a big public for we 02:39:02.120 --> 02:39:04.399 got through it all and some hard 02:39:04.479 --> 02:39:06.799 decisions were made so thank you to 02:39:06.879 --> 02:39:11.120 everyone today cheers