WEBVTT 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:02.200 council is now 2pm and the ordinary 00:00:02.279 --> 00:00:05.280 meeting of Wednesday the 8th of May 2024 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:07.559 will commence I'll just make the 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:08.960 announcement all Council meetings are 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.119 live streamed to the internet and are 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:13.240 recorded and then available for public 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:14.759 viewing and archived on council's 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:16.079 website 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:20.199 www.begavalley.nsw.gov.au 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:25.120 I'll also start by acknowledging Bega Valley Shire 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:27.079 the traditional waterways and the airspace in which we 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:28.640 are gathering 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:30.800 today and under the Local Government Act 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:32.240 and required to read the statement of 00:00:32.320 --> 00:00:33.840 ethical obligations the Mayor and 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:35.320 councils reminded that they remain 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:37.920 banned by the affirmation of offers made 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:39.880 at the start of their Council term to 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:41.520 undertake their civic duties in the best 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:42.759 interest of the people of the Bega 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:44.759 Valley Shire and to faithfully and 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:46.439 impartially carry out the functions 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:48.640 powers authorities and discretions 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:49.840 vested in them under the Local 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:51.200 Government Act or any other act to the 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:53.439 best of their skill in their judgement 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:54.799 the Mayor and counselors are also 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:56.320 reminded of the requirement for 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:57.960 disclosure of conflicts of interest in 00:00:58.039 --> 00:00:59.920 relation to items listed for 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:02.759 consideration on the agenda or which are 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:04.280 considered at this meeting in accordance 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:05.840 with the code of conduct and code of 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:07.319 meeting practice 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:09.480 apologies we have apologies 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:12.200 from councelor Griff and councelor Robin 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:14.319 anyone like to move they be accepted 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:17.159 councelor O'Neill councelor Seckold all in favor 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:19.359 carried unanimously confirmation of the 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:22.519 minutes held on the 17th of April 2024 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:24.000 as circulated be taken as read and 00:01:24.079 --> 00:01:25.519 confirmed 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:29.120 mover Councilor Wright Councilor Porter 00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:30.480 all those in favour 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:33.040 carried unanimously declarations any 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:36.400 declarations Mr CEO no Mr Mayor public for 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:38.439 today there's no petitions no Mayoral 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:41.239 minute no urgent business staff reports 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:42.719 community environment there are none 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:44.799 staff reports assets and operations none 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:46.640 staff reports business and governance 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:50.079 10.1 quarterly budget review statement 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:53.239 council's any questions for the staff 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:56.719 have a couple but someone else councelor 00:01:56.799 --> 00:02:00.120 Allen thank you Mr Mayor just briefly 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:01.439 to the 00:02:01.519 --> 00:02:04.359 the head of the finance department 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:07.079 under cash and investments we indicate 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:10.000 that our present investments are 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:15.240 26.7 million but they're 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:18.120 invisaging that they fall 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:21.280 significantly by June approximately 50 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:23.479 million just for 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:25.680 the people observing the meeting and 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:27.280 reading these documents that's a massive 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:29.439 amount of money to spending what's it 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:30.280 now 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:31.879 May purely 7 weeks between now and the 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:34.039 end of June so could we just have an 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:36.560 explanation number one and number two if 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.319 if the figure that's been semi for as 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:42.360 being the figure that will be available 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:44.840 in June do we adjust our 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:46.960 interest budgeting according to that 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:49.919 semiford or do we just not budget 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:51.159 we budget on the figure that we've got 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:54.879 presently invested 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.240 through you Mr Mayor the amount that 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:13.960 we have included in the investment 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:16.719 report is at 8 point in time so it's at 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:18.639 the end of April the 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:21.439 73.6 estimated result for 30 June 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:23.719 ? all Grant all income and 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:27.080 expenses will be as budgeted so 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:29.280 changes or delays in capital operational 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:31.639 projects and timing of grant payments 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:34.400 will have an impact on this result 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:35.879 budget managers reviewed all their 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:37.840 expenses and income budgets to minimize 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:39.159 a potential 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:42.800 impact but we can't completely re remove 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:45.120 that potential change 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:48.560 there in regard to the budgeting for 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:51.319 interest we budget on the income that 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:54.080 is in our bank account that earns 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:57.439 interest so each quarter we're looking 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:00.680 at their investment budget to ensure 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:02.479 that it's keeping track of where it is 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:05.039 we're being conservative each quarter 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.560 but each quarter we increase it 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:09.319 because we don't have an understanding 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:11.039 when we set that budget of the timing of 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:14.280 the capital projects and the expenses 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:16.319 in those spaces and they're quite large 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:20.360 expenses that could happen quite 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:26.920 quickly 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.920 questions I have a couple just coup 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:31.439 around the same I just like to confirm 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:33.399 the projected year end results before 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:38.079 grants and and of 11.6 million in the 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:41.279 present time that is without the 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:44.000 financial assistance grants payment and 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:45.279 we haven't had any indication whether 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:47.759 that's going to be paid in advance 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:51.160 again through you Mr Mayor we don't have 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:52.639 an indication last year it happened 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:54.600 quite late in June so it's not 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:56.160 included in these 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.480 figures what is included in these 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:00.680 figures are some grants that will 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:04.000 carry over multiple years that 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:07.240 income's been received 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:11.279 for Mr Mayor can just add to that looking and 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:12.600 this is an issue we always face looking 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:15.000 at the income statement result in 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:16.800 isolation can sometimes be a little bit 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:19.319 problematic and one example in the 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:22.199 variations that are included for 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:27.480 recommendation here is an additional 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:30.480 significant grant coming in operating 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:31.600 income 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:34.160 for road expenditure but the actual 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:36.519 expenditure is going to be utilized on 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:38.879 capital works so you don't actually see 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.319 that impact in the income statement and 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:42.720 if you look at the recommended 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:44.600 variations so end of 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.319 year cash and investment positions it's 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:49.680 actually only a roughly $2 million 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:53.160 increase not that significant a 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:54.920 change so there's a number of factors 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:56.199 that drive that and that's just one 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:58.360 example I provided the ? material yeah 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:00.959 and a question was going to ask 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:03.319 about .4 and the grant contribution we had 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:06.360 the 4.5 million of the road so local 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:08.839 pothole money and I was wondering where 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:11.360 that comes into the budget so that basically 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:12.800 explains that yeah that's that's the 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:14.439 explanation for that that's actually the 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:16.160 item that comes in as operating income 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:18.360 but then predominantly getting spent on 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:20.240 capital expenditure we are allowed to 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:22.360 account for it that way which is similar 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:24.120 to how we account for federal roads to 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:25.600 recovery grants when they come in as 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:27.319 well often get spent on capital works 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:30.000 but the income is operating 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.920 so on the capital grants while we're on 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.160 that the 16 million being deferred off 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:37.160 there's quite a list there at Note 5 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:38.759 could you give us some explanations of 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:39.920 some of those of why they've been 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.439 deferred or delayed specifically in 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:44.680 regard to the bridge ones I think you 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:45.959 probably can elaborate for the community 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:47.319 on the sports 1 the 8 million for the 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:49.199 Bega sports ground as well what was the 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:51.480 hold up 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:53.839 there yeah through to me I'm happy to take 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:56.639 a couple of the respond to a couple 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:58.319 of those the more significant ones there 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.160 is a couple of bridge related projects in 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:05.040 particular Richies lagoons an example 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:06.759 Dignam's Creeks another example which 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:08.879 are relatively large projects delayed 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:12.079 mainly due to internal 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:14.199 resourcing with people being available 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:15.639 to deliver those projects and the 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:17.959 management of those and we're addressing 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:19.519 those at the moment those particular 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:22.720 couple and then another one that you 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.040 alluded to was a bigger sporting complex 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:27.480 it's a significant impact on that or 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:28.839 component of that figure you just 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:30.759 referred to 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:33.240 it has mainly been delayed in the 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:37.000 current financial year due to the 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:39.480 need to go through a tender negotiation 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:42.879 process partially where as councilor is 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:44.839 aware the tenders came in outside of 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:46.399 what was available within the budget so 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:48.279 we had an extended negotiation process 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:51.759 to reduce the cost which in some savings 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:53.560 then at the same time we needed to wait 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:55.399 for state government confirmation of 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:56.879 availability of funding for that to 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:58.800 continue so a couple of factors delayed 00:07:58.879 --> 00:07:59.920 that one 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:01.519 which is why the recommendations here on 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:04.439 those of the other large material one is 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:06.480 the Bega water treatment plant which is 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:09.319 several million dollars as well the 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:12.040 main cause of delay for that one is 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:14.839 actually around a what I'll describe as 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:16.800 a change of scope required from the New 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:18.639 South Wales government specifically New 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:20.480 South Wales Health on what the solution 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:23.560 we actually constructed that site is and 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:26.360 then waiting for the New South Wales 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:28.360 government to agree to fund the 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:30.959 additional funds that are for the 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:32.559 higher scope of what they want us to 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.240 build which did eventually come 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:37.519 600,000 additional we received for 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:39.480 that but that caused the delay to that 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:40.960 one and pushed it in the next financial 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:42.039 year so they're probably the most 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:43.840 material ones in that 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.240 list else there's any further questions 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.759 other councilors Councilor Porter yes just 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:50.440 one good question could you please 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:53.159 indicate what savings were achieved 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:55.440 as a result of the service review 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:58.519 process 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:05.840 Mr Mayor I am not quite sure what is 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:07.639 being asked because the service review 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.879 process that has been getting 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:14.039 undertaken was only recently worked 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:16.320 through with counselors and from a staff 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.559 perspective there isn't any additional 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:21.559 recommended changes in this budget 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:24.480 budget review resulting out of that 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:26.840 there has been what I call some 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.080 relatively minor scale financial impact 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:31.559 changes that have occur but they're 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:33.080 certainly not material in the context of 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:34.919 the overall 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.759 budget councelors any further questions have 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:39.799 the recommendation councilors councelor 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:41.799 Allen councelor Nadin 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:45.240 wish to speak to councelor 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:47.720 Allen the recommendation all those in 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.039 favor carried unanimously thanks 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:53.120 councilors item 10.2 exhibition of 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:55.559 internal planning reporting documents 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:58.279 quite a number of documents counselors 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.000 sometimes in the past we've had 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:04.159 counselors submit instead of on the 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:06.159 floor counselors submit any changes 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:07.799 they'd like so that staff can deal with 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:09.120 those instead of us dealing with them on 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:10.679 the floor between now and through the 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:12.799 exhibition period be good for the staff 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:14.240 if we could follow that process would be 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:16.279 great but understand that there'll be 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:17.759 some negotiations on the floor when it 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:20.759 comes back to us to be 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.080 adopted I just clarify something this 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:24.639 has being very semantic when you 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:26.080 introduce this item it's actually 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:27.720 exhibition of the integrated planning 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:29.679 and Reporting documents you you use the 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.840 term internal so this is actually sorry 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:36.000 public integrated plan sorry about that 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:38.440 my poor language counc you've got a 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:41.399 point three you'd like to add to one and 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:44.960 two yeah questions thank you Mr Mayor 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:46.720 so just with a budget cash flow 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:50.799 statement for option b which is the 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:53.200 current trajectory of council with the 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:56.200 assets and services SRV just had two 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:59.879 questions regarding this so we've got a 00:10:59.960 --> 00:11:02.279 a cash so you're talking the long-term 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:04.120 financial plan the long-term 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:05.519 financial plan sure but it's actually in 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:08.039 the budget because it's 202 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:12.159 2425 and that is the 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:16.320 26306 million I'm just wondering whether 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:22.919 that figure includes the recent legal 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:26.440 fees and claim that was made 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:29.840 against Council 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.639 or not in the expenses you say no 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:36.039 just in cash in cash flow because it'll 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:38.840 have to be I asse that it's going to 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:40.360 change that figure unless it's already 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:44.200 changed which is the question I'm 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:49.840 asking 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:54.080 oh three Mr Mayor at the time of the QB 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:57.000 the the budget includes the results of 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:57.639 the 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:00.480 qbrs which is to the 31st of March any 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.240 changes post 31st of March have not been 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:06.039 incorporated or included in any of the 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:09.919 financial statements that's no that's a 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.919 no how much was it just one point 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:15.279 because it might not 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:18.000 actually anything it might actually not 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:21.519 impact cash flow if we decide to make 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:25.120 service reductions or change the budget 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.039 so I guess what I'm trying to say is 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:28.679 between now and when we actually adopt 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.279 this budget 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:33.039 ific 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:35.799 change through Mr Mayor there is still 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:37.679 potential of some changes and one of the 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:39.519 issues in forming budgets is always the 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:41.279 point in time that you draw a line in 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.960 the sand use information and then make 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:45.639 adjustments down the track so there is a 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:48.440 chance that we Mayor need to make an 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:49.639 adjustment 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:54.039 for additional unbudgeted expenditure 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:56.480 there's also a chance that we Mayor not 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:58.000 and we just don't completely know that 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.440 answer yet and we also don't know the 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:02.039 answer necessarily on what the quant 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:03.840 will be 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.320 yet the quant was finished I mean 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:09.360 because I'm not talking about the latest 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:10.759 one I'm only talking about the original 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:12.879 for $900,000 so we know what the quant 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:16.200 is there that was the claim Am I Wrong 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:18.639 why you looking at me 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.080 funny Mr Mayor I'm not going to publicly 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.679 diab we don't know completely whether 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:26.759 that's the end figure or not but it Mayor 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:30.159 not be that it's the end of the matter 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:33.200 a long way to go sure but it's the money 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:35.840 has left our account so therefore it has 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:38.559 to be budgetable regardless of if 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:41.480 we decide to I don't know how much of 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:44.879 this is is any of this confidential so 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:46.639 three Mr Mayor again the point I was 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:49.480 making was that this 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:52.159 isn't let's let's take a a broader view 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:53.960 of this there are certain times where at 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:56.399 a point in time we asse we don't need 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:58.279 to do something then at another point in 00:13:58.360 --> 00:13:59.960 time we do need to do something and then 00:14:00.039 --> 00:14:01.600 we change our budget to reflect that and 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.279 then down the track again we realized 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:04.639 that what we thought we had to do at 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:06.679 another point in time wasn't right and 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:09.399 we adjust again so at the point in time 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:11.840 that we do provide a final 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:15.360 recommended budget to council will be 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:17.399 potentially have some changes based on 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:19.679 known factors at that point in time or 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:21.279 it Mayor be that it happens at the next 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:23.120 quarterly budget 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:27.879 review okay well I will jot that down as 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:29.600 we will have something by the time it 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:31.679 comes back to council because this is 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:34.639 the point in time I mean like I don't 00:14:34.720 --> 00:14:35.720 know what you're forecasting whe they're 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:36.559 going to have a winning court or 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:38.919 something like that at the moment 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:40.399 there's an amount of money that has been 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:42.279 expended and I'm trying to work out 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:44.120 whether it's been it's going to be 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:46.440 reflected in this docent and you're 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:48.879 saying it is because that's the point in 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:53.000 time and that's the of this three Mr 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:55.039 Mayor what I said before was and this is 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.240 what the manager said was when this 00:14:57.320 --> 00:14:59.879 information was prepared prior to today 00:14:59.960 --> 00:15:03.320 that wasn't known it is now known and 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:06.080 yeah and by the time we bring a final 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:09.879 budget back to Council in that will be 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:11.600 considered that's fine thank you so 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:13.399 that's fine in these special 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.720 variations so you've got U sorry I 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:19.279 should just clarify for everyone in our 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:21.320 re Revenue policy we obviously label all 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:22.519 of our special 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:24.879 variations and we've got our most recent 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:26.679 one which is the 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:29.679 19.6% and that comes in it 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:31.559 65 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:34.480 million 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:39.679 yeah oh yes 140 of the of plan and 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:45.639 budget so that's in the revenue 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:49.720 policy so yeah so it's I'm just trying 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:53.000 to work out here so the application 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:54.360 requested a permanent increase to 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:57.919 General rates of 24% last in the no this 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.279 financial year that we're in now 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:04.000 inclusive of the rate Peg and then 19.6 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:05.759 so and then it says later on the SB will 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:08.480 provide additional rates income of 6.5 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:11.600 in 20242 should that be should that 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:14.120 figure 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:17.759 there include the 19.6 because that's 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:22.039 ongoing now so that'll be a figure every 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:23.320 year with 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:27.480 CP shouldn't it with right P yeah with 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:30.559 right 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:33.879 I'm just trying to say this is only the 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:36.799 2425 like the revenue out of this should 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:40.559 be 11 million if I'm not 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:45.039 mistaken 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.600 oh this table represents the revenue in 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:52.159 2425 so in 2425 the revenue from that 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:55.440 special variation is 6.5 million on top 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:59.320 of our previous year's figure 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:01.399 so it's not an acculated figure this 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:04.079 is the revenue from the SRV there is a 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:06.200 table within the docent and I will try 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:09.880 and find the page number the rep sorry 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:13.799 on page 133 you'll find we have provided 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:16.279 a smary of Where the 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:19.880 11 million do worth of SRV will be spent 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:22.240 oh okay I'm it's actually a general 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:23.839 question it's a general question 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:25.519 regarding special variations because you 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:27.319 know like libraries Gallery tourism we 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:29.400 read 1.1 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:31.519 that just and that changes every year it 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:36.319 goes up so next year in know in the 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:39.200 budget for 2526 will there be any 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:40.880 mention of the asset renewal and 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:42.519 services 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:46.279 SRV the table that you're referring to T 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:48.799 on page 140 includes all of the current 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:51.400 SVS and the value of that SV in this 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:53.359 current year so yes the asset and 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:56.680 services SRV will be included and it 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:58.880 will be a increase on the rate Peg the 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:00.759 rate Peg increase on top of that which 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:02.279 we don't know at this 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:04.839 point yeah so that's fine because this 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:06.880 is the second year of the rate increase 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:10.359 shouldn't that say $1 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.880 million The Heading at the top of the T 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:14.799 table that you're looking at is the 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:16.400 revenue for 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.960 2425 and like all of those SVS those 00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:23.000 SVS in the current year bring in this 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:26.720 much money so the library SRV brings in 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.440 last year's plus the rate Peg and so 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:31.839 therefore we only bringing in what for 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:34.319 The Current financial year the impact is 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.799 on that the 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:40.440 srvs I'll trying next 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:42.839 year's that's not next year's numbers 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:44.200 that's not next year's numbers yet 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:46.799 without 19% hasn't come into play yet 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:48.720 right the moment we're only dealing with 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:49.400 the 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:52.480 24% which is the 6.5 you're getting the 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:54.359 11 milon you're taking the whole 43% in 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:58.880 one hit in one hit okay that's fine so 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:00.880 sorry can I just go back to that that 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:05.200 is the income we expect for 2425 so that 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:06.119 is our 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:09.319 19.6% yeah in a 2425 figure that's right 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:13.400 yes in yeah in addition to the original 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:16.799 24% corre and we have index SE as well 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:20.799 we should have included that 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:24.200 here sorry through you Mr Mayor when the 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:25.920 documents are adopted that figure will 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:27.279 be amended right now we're putting a 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:29.519 budget on exhib 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:31.720 that has the SV recommended once it's 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:33.759 adopted the do the documents once they 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:35.960 come back will indic in in that table 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:37.480 indicate what the full amount of the 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.759 2year SRV is so at the moment this is a 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:42.480 draft docent we're putting forward for 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:44.599 recommendation including the proposed 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:47.000 19.6 because not so the two will come 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:48.279 together when we're when we're putting 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:49.759 the documents for 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:56.960 recommendation aded half that's fine but 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:02.240 oh sorry but that's fine anyway so for 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:03.880 no that's okay but you understand what 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:05.960 I'm saying then forever more after this 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:07.599 it will be listed there and it will say 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:09.839 11 and it will go up by whatever that's 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:12.880 it okay cool glad we got that so sorry 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:13.720 Mayorbe 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:17.720 I'm so few more questions 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:20.880 through the section just so you know 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:25.880 Capital program so 124 councelor 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:29.079 O'Neal thank you so that's okay so got 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:31.519 Grant income of a million dollar for and 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:32.880 I've just got probably about six or 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:34.319 seven of these Mr M so if you'll bear 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:36.799 with me so a million dollar for the 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:39.440 burmu indoor sports Stadi upgrade if 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:41.799 you could just what what is that upgrade 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:43.519 for is it a renewal or is it an 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:45.640 extension an 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.799 update three Mr Mayor it's for internal 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:50.400 improvements and that was funded out of 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:52.640 the bushire Local Economic Recovery 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:54.319 Fund 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:56.839 yeah yeah so it just says he upgrade 00:20:56.920 --> 00:20:59.200 that's all so it's kind of a renewal is 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:00.599 isn't it 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.720 yeah that the 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.839 760 for biger lorial swimming pool 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:10.519 that's still budgeted for isn't it the 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:13.680 760 there which is for that's reserve 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:16.599 for the design work isn't it so it's the 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:18.799 long-term financial plan that those 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:22.720 works are impacted isn't it yeah so 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.279 three Mr Mayor as Council will recall 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:27.000 we've always said that that project is 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:28.880 going to need significant Grant funding 00:21:28.960 --> 00:21:31.799 to build it but in order to get any 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:33.279 grant funding we need to get to the 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:34.880 point where as close to shovel ready as 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:36.680 possible so those funds are to get it to 00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:38.119 the point where we can chase the money 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:41.359 we need to build I guess that what I was 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:43.240 referring to was I think there was Mayorbe 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:45.599 $2 million in the long-term financial 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.359 plan in the next three years I think it 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:54.240 was for just budgeted for internal 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:57.359 resource to match grant funding that 00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:58.920 money 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:02.200 yeah so three Mr Mayor off the top of my 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:03.880 head we originally had a long-term 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:06.000 financial plan that 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:11.759 assed 25% grant funding and now 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:15.799 that model is going to asse more 00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:17.400 Council 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:20.880 contribution more grunding contri 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:22.160 sorry yeah more grant funding 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.839 contribution less Council to account for 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:30.000 Council contributing to 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:32.319 projects and just a few more here 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:33.839 playground renewals what's the 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.640 playground renewal 533,000 00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:43.119 it's 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:46.400 not oned through you Mr Mayor it's not 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:48.400 tied to a specific playground right 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:50.200 there are renewals across playgrounds 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:52.599 right across the scope so it's not tied 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:55.000 to a specific one in that particular one 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:56.920 it's renewals that are required to the 00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:59.400 playgrounds and that has been allocated 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:02.279 to allow us to do that based on on our 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:04.319 inspection regime it's not tied to a 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:07.559 specific playground so other words bits 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:09.240 of equipment yeah so in other words it's 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:11.599 just renewal stuff 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:14.319 for yes maintenance let's call it right 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:17.119 regarding so the other one here is 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:18.599 Coastal accessibility program the 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.079 planning and concept 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:24.519 development sorry if I'm not up to 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:26.759 speed with the accessibility projects I 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:29.160 know one of them was Spencer there was 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:31.680 three that was part of a a trio again 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:35.000 was it the coastal accessibility 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:38.000 program I think there were three I can't 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:40.880 remember which ones we currently on 00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:42.599 at the moment now I can take that on 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:44.559 notice and get back to on those the 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:46.440 coastal accessibility again this is seed 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:48.519 money that we've got back into the 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.480 program which is why we got it to do the 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:54.359 works in order to Leverage The the rest 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:56.759 of the funding to do the the coastal 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.440 accessibility pieces 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:04.480 can three miss one off the top of my 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:07.319 head of those was kakora Beach down in 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:08.759 Eden too that we were looking at as part 00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:11.240 of that as 00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:17.920 well and I've got foot so kakora 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:19.559 spenter park and there must be one more 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:20.960 that I can't think of off the top of my 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:24.519 head foot paths so I've got cycleway 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:27.960 renewal and path renewal so they're 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:31.000 renew they're not new Pathways can I ask 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:35.599 is that T I think it was included in 00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:37.519 that we haven't spent money on footpaths 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:40.000 for a while so just curious about 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:43.799 400,000 there through you Mr M as you're 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:45.079 aware we're going through the active 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:46.680 transport strategy at the moment the 00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:49.599 strategy that will then deliver the 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:51.240 priorities for which paths we're going 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:53.440 to repair that's where that's tied 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:55.119 into it so we know when we have the 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:57.240 active transport strategy completed we 00:24:57.319 --> 00:24:59.039 will have a number of Pathways that then 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:01.319 be prioritized and you're exactly 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:03.640 right we haven't invested a lot in paths 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:05.559 in the future hence the reason we ring 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:07.680 fence in the past hence the reason we 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.039 bring fenced money to action the 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:14.599 outcomes of the active transport 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:17.599 strategy so yeah so we haven't yet 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:19.559 decided where that 400,000 is going it's 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:20.920 just a quarantined amount of money for 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:23.279 footpaths at this point in time through 00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.400 you Mr Mayor that's that's the idea of it 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:28.799 we have good idea but we we're not going 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:30.640 to go firm until we get the results of 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:32.920 the 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:36.960 strategy Mr Mayor just to reinforce a key 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:38.599 Point here that the focus will be on 00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:40.920 renewing what we've got that needs to be 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:42.880 renewed rather than building new things 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:46.160 because if you look at our cycleway and 00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:48.000 footpath network across the sh there are 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:51.400 a number of areas that do need renewing 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:53.119 and starting to pose the risk if we 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:54.680 don't renew them so so rather than 00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:56.039 asse that's going to go to new things 00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:57.920 it's more than likely going to be fixing 00:25:58.000 --> 00:25:59.359 what we 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.359 I agree Mr CEO and I think that 00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:02.960 that's good I it would just be good for 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:04.960 councilors to have a heads up as to what 00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:06.519 that I mean she's not here at the 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:07.640 moment but lovees talking about 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:09.519 priorities I think she's right in this 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:11.200 instance I'd like to see the active 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:14.680 transport strategy as to you why there's 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:17.279 one and a two and a three and so I've 00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:20.119 got a carpet replacement carpet 00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:23.279 replacement here in the BB Triple C for 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:26.160 115,000 is that 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:28.680 right that's right okay 00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:33.039 looks pretty good but I mean 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:34.559 we 00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:38.319 115,000 only nly I've also got chura 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.039 Community Center chura Library so is 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:43.039 this the 00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:46.119 $440,000 so it does say reserve funds so 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:49.839 is that for the renovations downstairs 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.799 and did we lock that in I can't remember 00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:55.799 because we talked about activating it I 00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:58.880 didn't know that it was a a a done deal 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:02.440 yet but you can explain 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.119 that that it was actually an old 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:08.720 resolution of council to move forward 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:12.200 with this to get a da done which has 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:14.440 now been done and this is to get the 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:16.359 works 00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:18.680 happening yeah that's what's is in 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:20.359 what's the how we activating it it's 00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:23.119 just turning into store rooms is it I'm 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.440 going to be leased out I remember there 00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:27.759 being some kind of a strategy to recover 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:28.839 funds 00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:31.960 yeah yeah so Miss Mayor the intention was 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.079 to turn it into a leasable space 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:36.440 predominantly leasable space with some 00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:38.240 of the area a little bit flexible as to 00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:39.960 whether it could be leased out or 00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:42.839 utilized for supporting Council 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:46.359 services in the library and some as 00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:48.000 in some additional meeting and office 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:50.720 space there so that was where Council 00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:53.680 ended up resolving in the end the 00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:56.079 concepts that were put to 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.400 council didn't necessarily 00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:02.200 initially have the level of flexibility 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:03.200 to 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.079 lease as much as Council wanted so that 00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:07.680 got changed in the day got lodged on 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:08.880 that 00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.720 basis yeah is that is that 440 is that a 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:14.480 quote that you've got from a builder or 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.440 is that is that just an estimate 00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:19.759 internally yeah my understanding is that 00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:21.599 that estimate was developed on unit 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:25.759 rates from yeah the construction 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:28.000 indexes that you get access to not from 00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.680 from a market quite yet certainly not 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.440 yeah and that's that's one of the issues 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:34.799 we do have in local government is we 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:36.960 can't go to the market and ask the 00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:38.720 market to price things unless we have a 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.319 budget committed to say that we intend 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:44.440 to do it and yeah that is a limitation 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.440 of the system we work in no absolutely I 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.640 just you know is there contingency 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:51.480 built into that because I mean I just 00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:54.400 say we we we've had a few projects 00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:55.920 recently that have gone significantly 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:57.599 over budget and so I'm just wondering if 00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:59.960 400 40 turns into 650 halfway through 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:02.480 the project it's REM Mr me that's a fair 00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.680 question and in this instance I'm given 00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:06.680 I'd say this is not a core community 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:08.240 service that council's talking about 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.640 here if we went to Market and got prices 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:13.160 back that essentially blew the whole 00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:15.000 business case around getting a return on 00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:16.359 the investment to do the work in the 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:18.480 first place then we probably wouldn't 00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.039 recommend to proceed with it but this is 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:22.759 the indicative figure we think we start 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:24.119 with and then eventually we'll go to the 00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:25.839 market and then we'll provide a report 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:27.720 on on it afterwards and idea the other 00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:29.680 thing to keep in in mind with this 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.440 particular space is we fully expect that 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:34.039 Council will come under pressure down 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:36.000 the track from Community organ 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:37.960 organizations to lease the space at a 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:39.440 subsidized rate which then might 00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:40.720 undermine the investment in the first 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.359 place so we'll get to that 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:46.200 eventually through you m de sorry if I 00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:48.440 can add to that just the last Council 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:51.200 resolution the next step in that is for 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:53.519 us to run an eoi process so before we 00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:55.680 commit any of that money to run AI 00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:56.960 process to see if there is interest in 00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:58.720 the market to take up that leasable 00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:00.559 space so there's still a few more steps 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:02.519 before we go and spend that 00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:05.799 money you've got just underneath that 00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.680 is 00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:12.759 $475,000 for the Youth space renewal is 00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:17.759 that that building there and why sorry 00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:20.200 if my memory serves me poorly because I 00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:22.480 thought that that was a 1801 you know 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.119 171 180,000 job not a half a million 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:28.680 dollar job three no Reserve funds 175 00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:30.599 Revenue funds so in other words from the 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.359 Grant from the general fund this year 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:37.799 $300,000 is that 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:49.000 right oh same page just right just Ben 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:51.599 Library 124 which is 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:55.680 p get 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.160 Mr M I might have to take on notice what 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.079 the scope of that actually included 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:19.359 what I do 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.079 know no through M you know it was 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.559 definitely the scope was definitely 00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:26.119 more complex than that we did actually 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.000 get a comprehensive safety order to of 00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:29.480 that building done that said it's got 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:31.200 some serious limitations if it wants to 00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.720 be utilized for anything functional so 00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:36.839 it's a little bit more complicated ask 00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:37.640 the 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.960 director through you Mr M that's the 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:44.480 case the money was out allocated 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.519 because we carried out that detailed 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.039 inspection we detected cracking to the 00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:51.799 external masonry and subsidence to the 00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:54.200 internal floor frame to the northeastern 00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.119 front corner of the building we got 00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:58.519 moisture getting through transferring 00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:00.319 through the external mry into the brick 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:03.640 work and the mortar and plaster work was 00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:06.319 decaying deterioration of the glazing 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.640 and the the original double hung Timber 00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:11.319 Windows which are all now rotting 00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.160 away in there we've got dry rots in the 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.480 internals the ballustrade Rings and the 00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.559 chimney there is quite substantial 00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:21.799 amounts of work in there hence the 00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.680 reason there's full scope of work to be 00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.960 done if we are to refurbish that to a 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:29.359 standard that's it so that's why that 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.079 has been put 00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:35.039 together I have the I have the 00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:36.960 report oh so it's going to come to a 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.759 council me cheating or is this the 00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.680 report is this is the the approval here 00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.119 the budget for it and if so can you 00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.519 just expand is that building that's a 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:48.759 that's Community Land so it can't be 00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.000 sold 00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.400 to I mean what other options are 00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:54.680 there I mean to do nothing and just lock 00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:59.799 the doors we can't build those 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:02.599 is that well that's the question is it 00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.279 Heritage I mean that's a huge amount of 00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:08.279 money that's a brand new 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:13.000 house just that I do remember that we 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:15.279 had a council report on that and a 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.960 decision perhaps and that did go into 00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:19.400 I understand some of those Heritage 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.119 issues and what was 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.160 happening through you Mr Mayor that's 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.319 correct we did bring this to council and 00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:29.200 explain the issues in that space there 00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:30.599 are Heritage issues it's within the 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.000 Heritage Precinct there's obviously 00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:34.359 you know we've got Heritage foot path 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:36.440 out the front as you're aware the the KB 00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:38.119 and gutter and it is linked 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:40.680 intrinsically to that space it's it's 00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:42.920 not an easy piece of work to do 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:44.680 initially when we first brought it we 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:45.680 thought it was just going to be a look 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:46.759 and a promise that we were going to go 00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:48.960 and do to do exactly that to activate 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.039 the space however because of the types 00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:54.480 of people using it and we're looking 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:56.200 at putting youth or vulnerable groups in 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.480 there we can't do it in an unsafe manner 00:33:58.559 --> 00:33:59.720 hence the reason we've done a more 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:01.559 comprehensive inspection which has led 00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:05.119 to this number it has not been fully 00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:07.480 scoped yet so we haven't got a Builders 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.079 this is what it will cost This Is Us 00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:11.119 doing our due diligence and thinking 00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:14.079 that's how much it will 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.199 cost thank you I mean something like 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:19.840 this like considering our limitations on 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:21.440 our budget at the moment is something 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:23.199 like this just in off the top of your 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:27.199 head Mr CEO grant funding available for 00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.360 for things like this or even the library 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.239 I mean there's of capital spend 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.800 there is that something and I'm not 00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:36.000 saying that it doesn't need to be done 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.639 like I'd love to go plate everything but 00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:40.719 is it something we could hang around 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.320 and wait there's no desperation for it 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:44.199 and look for grant funding 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.599 instead Mr we have applied for grants 00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:49.039 for that in the past I can't remember 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:53.079 the scale and the response that we reive 00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:55.760 but I I'd be happy to bring back some 00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:57.960 further details on that particular item 00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.440 when we do bring the final budget back 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.639 on what we've done in the past and how 00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:05.760 we've got to this scope as 00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:09.199 well any CH I just wanted to make a 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:13.280 comment included in that b74 is 175,000 00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.840 that has been carried taken out of our Q 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.000 our 24 budget and moved into fy2 to help 00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.239 the the original budget yes so that 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.880 hasn't that work as they decided to do 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:25.599 that work they found we needed more so 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:30.239 it's been moved into fi25 move from 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:33.599 fy4 00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.000 cancel I have a couple of questions and 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:38.599 it relates around our long-term 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.239 financial plan and option b being I 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.119 realiz staff are recommending option A 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.440 and option b is our current course of 00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.599 trajectory in the 27 if we go to page I 00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:53.159 think it's page 29 of the long-term 00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:55.760 financial 00:35:56.320 --> 00:36:00.000 plan which is the cash flow and 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.880 also yeah I think it's 20 of the actual 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:05.360 report so on that 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:08.079 we on on one part option b our 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.960 depreciation modelization in 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:14.199 2728 is 26 million then we goes to 27 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.480 million 28 29 and continues on a 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:19.000 projectory up to 32 million if I go to 00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:20.519 our assets and the purchase of 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:22.159 infrastructure property plan equipment 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:24.440 which I say our asset renewals are 00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:28.039 actually under our spend is less than 00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.039 what our depreciation is so we'd be 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.360 actually living off depreciation from 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:35.320 2728 onwards if I read that right could 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:36.760 that be 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:39.159 clarified yeah through Mr Mayor what 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:40.679 you're alluding to there is the fact 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:42.159 that in the early years of this current 00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.400 long-term financial plan model I would 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:47.800 describe it as we are spending adequate 00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:49.920 funds to do the renewals we need to do 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:51.280 as well as picking up some of the 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.960 backlog Ren the things we haven't got to 00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:56.679 yet but then in future years we start to 00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:58.800 get to the point where where we're 00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:00.519 assing an underspend on average 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:01.880 compared to what we should be each year 00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:03.719 to look after the assets we've got and 00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:05.480 that is certainly concerning and it's 00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.880 also reflected if you look at the 00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:10.559 the asset renewal ratio and our 00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:12.159 ratios are included in there I think you 00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:13.679 see three or four years of green dots 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:15.880 and then they pretty quickly turn red 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.519 dots that are declining significantly so 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:21.679 you could say that this long-term 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.119 financial 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:28.360 plan doesn't necessarily highlight 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:30.239 and I'll be very Frank this doesn't 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:31.800 highlight the risk of an increasing 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:33.239 maintenance burden because we're not 00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:35.880 spending enough on renewal so if we if 00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.239 we did this I would say not too far out 00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.400 of outside of the 10year period we'd 00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.239 start to see decreasing service levels 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.039 across the assets that we looked after 00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:47.960 so in other words things like more 00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:49.519 potholes on the roads because we aren't 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:51.159 spending enough ceiling when we should 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.159 be or reconstructing Pavements when 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:55.519 we should be 00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:58.400 so even under that model 00:37:58.480 --> 00:37:59.760 that doesn't show that we're running out 00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:01.559 of cash over the life but we're 00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:03.239 essentially not spending enough to do 00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:05.159 everything we should be which is it is a 00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:06.679 concern should be of concern to 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.679 counselors and in option C when we have 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:11.639 a look at the cash flow statement it 00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:13.719 shows that we'll be out of cash 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.000 somewhere between 25 26 if we went with 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:18.960 option C and not took up the next lot 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.639 rate B me Mr Mayor that's correct if we 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:24.360 don't 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:26.960 we've explained this not yet publicly 00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:28.960 but if we don't take up the second year 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.320 of the SRV will run out of cash even 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.159 quicker than was originally project 00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:36.199 projected when the the SRV was first 00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:38.639 applied for and the main reason for that 00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:40.880 is that costs have escalated far more 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:42.840 quickly than what our original models 00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.400 assed when we put them together so 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.360 we're already heading backwards and if 00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.599 if Council doesn't move forward with 00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:52.079 the increasing rates as a previously 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:53.639 planned to then yes there is a serious 00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:56.440 risk will run out of cash very quickly 00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:58.360 Mr Mayor just to add on to that 00:38:58.440 --> 00:38:59.719 question could you just take us to in 00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:01.639 the Strategic Asset Management plan 00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:03.599 you've actually outlined some of the the 00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:05.800 shortfalls to 00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:09.039 maintain services and I'm thinking 00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:12.159 of down the back of what doesn't even 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:13.639 have page numbers but you you've got 00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.400 building assets management plan you go 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:18.719 roads Asset Management plan the roads 00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:20.199 yes and then that that you've actually 00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:24.039 outlined some of the shortfall 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.039 I'm sorry I haven't got precise 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:32.280 page 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:36.880 microphone yes so Mr M even the the 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.719 long-term financial plan that Council 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:40.719 adopted in applying for the SRV we made 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:45.079 this quite clear had a in Broad terms 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:48.719 roughly 50% underspend in the transport 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:52.519 area so roads and bridges on renewals 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:53.960 relative to what it should be so in 00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:56.920 other words even with the SRV we still 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:58.599 only spending half of what we should be 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.320 which reflects what I just said about 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.039 that if you get at the back end of 00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.920 this current plan we don't run out of 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.519 cash but that's because we're assing 00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.079 we're going to only spend half as much 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.239 as what we really need to in our asset 00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:13.840 plans and I know you sort of pointed to 00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.039 buildings that's an example of where it 00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:18.159 occurs but it's not as material as in 00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:19.760 the Road and Bridge Network where the 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:21.519 big dollars are they they make up most 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:23.800 of our depreciation expense in our asset 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:24.800 base I think 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:28.199 it's 700 million or something out of 00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:30.119 that asset base off the top of 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.559 my well one one more quick question on 00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:33.760 that you've got a 10year average 00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.599 shortfall per year in roads of nearly 7 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:40.119 million is that on current dollars will 00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:42.880 that go up every 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.360 year yes so through Mr Mayor that's all 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:48.719 it's all calculated in today's term so 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.880 again whether that Gap goes up is 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.559 partially dependent on where our income 00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:58.039 again increases at at a lower than 00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.159 the cost of looking after roads goes up 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.519 which is as we've explained is typically 00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.039 what happens that I part of 00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:06.440 traditionally set the rate Peg at a 00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:08.119 lower amount than what construction 00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:10.519 indexes have gone up by and in Rural and 00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:12.679 Regional areas most of our expenses are 00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.360 in asset Based Services roads Bridges 00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:16.920 and they tend to go up by more than what 00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:19.599 a typical local government basket of 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.920 goods does I part have at least just 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:24.960 now reviewed their methodology to start 00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:26.800 to take that sort of thing into account 00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:29.599 but we don't know yet it's too early 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:31.920 to tell if future rate pegs will be more 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:34.239 reflective of what we see the cost go up 00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:36.199 buying building 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:40.519 roads yes yeah so thank you for so 00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:42.480 going into this so the roads Asset 00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.320 Management plan so you can see option A 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.840 B and C so we actually what we need to 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:51.480 spend every year on roads is 20.7 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.320 million option b says we'll spend $13.7 00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:58.039 million which is 66% 00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.320 of our asset management plan for 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:03.639 roads and then that's still I would say 00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:05.920 significantly but it's still better than 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:06.679 the 00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:11.159 57.82 per or 11 so12 million let's say 00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.400 so with an extra 00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:14.880 [Music] 00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:16.639 11.5 actually I don't know what it is 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:18.800 off the top of my head over the 00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:22.679 two years of SRV 00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:27.639 increase we will be putting an extra 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:29.360 $1.8 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:33.159 million a year into roads and it's nice 00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:34.679 to be able to see this but can I just 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:35.679 have the 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.000 confirmed well no I'm just trying based 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:39.320 on these figures because you can see so 00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:43.840 it's 13.7 there 11.9 rate Peg 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:46.440 only so I'm just trying to work that 00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:49.199 out is that 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:56.119 right just option C is rate Peg from 00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:59.239 25 on W we've already adopted and 00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.719 approved and and done the 24% so it's 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:06.280 not the full SRV difference in that 00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.400 space 00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:12.519 but yes that's part of that 00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.320 19.6% yeah I say because like just put 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:16.440 to what the Mayor was saying before 00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:18.400 we'll be living off depreciation from 25 00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:22.119 26 we're living off depreciation now 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:24.440 and I just like it's one of the things 00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:25.840 that I said during the when we're 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:28.679 adopting the SIV is 00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:32.519 how how you the the formula whatever you 00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:35.239 want to call it came to getting this 00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:36.880 much money and allocating just that much 00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:38.920 to roads and that much to and that much 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.440 to you know is is this is this something 00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:46.840 that can still be played with in that 00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.639 space three Mr mer it certainly can be 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:52.480 and I'll actually go back to a 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:53.920 question that councilor Porter asked 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:55.360 earlier around what has changed out of 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.440 service level reviews and 00:43:58.519 --> 00:43:59.960 again we've prepared information that 00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.480 we've provided to councilors on what 00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:06.239 services cost what if changes were 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.039 going to be made what the potential 00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:10.880 savings could be and then some 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.360 information on the impacts of that and 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:14.960 when Council paor asked his question I 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:17.280 said nothing that's that 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.360 material the underlying issue is the 00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:20.800 scale of the asset base we've got in 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:22.480 roads and bridges and it doesn't matter 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:24.320 what we do in a lot of other places it's 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:26.000 never going to get us close to the 00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.119 materiality level need to make the 00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:29.800 change we need and the reason these 00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:31.320 plant were put 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:35.639 together the way they were was that 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:38.480 roads and bridges 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:41.559 roads in particular if we don't spend 00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:43.880 on them we ar going to wear the 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.079 consequences right now it won't be till 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:48.440 5 to 10 years down the track so this 00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:50.880 model essentially bought this Council 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.920 and the next Council a bit of time to 00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.480 make some really really tough decisions 00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:57.719 and and 00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.360 we know that and we've articulated that 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.880 before so this this isn't a sustainable 00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:03.719 model certainly the one that we are 00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:06.159 under even if you move forward with the 00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.719 second year of the approved SRV is not a 00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:12.480 sustainable model in the long term 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.079 can I just recall back to a workshop 00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:17.320 that we had either a week or two ago and 00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:20.800 you had that great slide of where the 00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:26.000 allocation of that additional six 6.5 00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:29.880 million was and it was it was it was 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:34.360 good and I I I wanted it because no no I 00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.440 don't think it was 00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:38.679 in is in here because you said you 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:41.360 weren't putting it 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:49.159 in 00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.840 yeah can I have that is is that that 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:54.000 that that one the other day where you 00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:58.519 had allocated the extra 6.5 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.039 presentations sure I'm gonna go and say 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:03.639 it then yeah sure thank you for 00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:07.599 that the the point I was making was 00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:11.079 there is a in these draft documents 00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.519 there is actually a table that 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:15.000 identifies 00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:18.280 where if it's adopted next year's SRV 00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:20.079 would be allocated to to what service 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:22.480 areas I can't recall the page it was 00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.599 there before 00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:28.920 133 14 00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:39.599 133 yes any further questions 00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:44.320 count could I ask staff to just 00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.840 let us know what extra resources are 00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:49.079 going into planning services to overcome 00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:52.000 the backlogs we've got in Das I 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:55.480 looked at it it looks like we have very 00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:56.800 for completely the right reasons 00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:58.519 increase their investment in this area 00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:00.639 just like to know how it's allocated 00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:03.239 across strategic and da and building 00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:05.360 certification 00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.159 service through you Mr Mayor in this 00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:11.599 budget we have included a number of 00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:13.960 additional resources or extended 00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:15.519 resources I should say in the planning 00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:18.280 space so that includes we've extended 00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:19.719 a temporary development engineer 00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.559 position for the full Financial year 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:24.840 that isn't a a permanent position but 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:26.960 was a decision of Council of few 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:28.880 years ago for some temporary resourcing 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.320 to improve da assessment time frame so 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:33.400 we've extended that for 12 months we've 00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:36.679 extended a town planner contract 00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.239 position for another 12 months as well 00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:40.679 it's currently filled at 3 days a 00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:42.360 week so we're looking to extend that for 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.679 the full Financial year we've also 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:47.519 included some contractor budget in the 00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.880 environmental health area which will 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:52.519 mean that we can prioritize what we call 00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:54.480 Da referrals so many Das have to go to 00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:56.360 our environmental health Team to look at 00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:58.639 on it sewer management or water 00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.159 catchment impacts so having a 00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:03.920 Contractor on board will mean we can do 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:06.119 some of our legislated responsibilities 00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.800 for health or Food Authority like 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:10.719 food inspections of of registered 00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:12.800 premises and then our staff can 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:14.880 really focus on prioritizing the da 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.880 referrals we've also proposed 00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:19.239 extending a building support 00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:21.000 Administration officer role for another 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.840 12 months not isn't particularly to 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:26.920 do with da assessment but it will help 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:28.400 with that next stage when we get through 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:29.639 the assessment and then looking at 00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:32.159 certification compliance and there on 00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:34.639 so they're all different ways that we've 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.800 invested or recommending we invest to 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.800 help with our da time frames the 00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:42.320 other thing oh sorry and then in terms 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:44.800 of strategic planning we have 00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:46.960 recommended putting in it's I think 00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:48.000 it's 00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:50.239 106,000 this financial year that we're 00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:52.239 talking about to do some deliberate 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.239 strategic planning work around be and 00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.639 renewal and areu for Zone review which 00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:00.239 are particular actions that have been 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.400 identified in in adopted strategies 00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:05.480 that we feel need to be prioritized in 00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:08.079 the 25 Financial 00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:11.440 Year Mr Mayor if I can just add in 00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.239 terms of a focus on that area that isn't 00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:16.239 necessarily reflected in the budget is 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.800 some of the the other advocacy and 00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.719 programs that we've introduced as well 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.039 and one of them is new Cadet ships in 00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:26.480 the current Financial year so it might 00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:27.159 be 00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:29.440 a little bit of time down the track to 00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:32.440 until we really start to see what I 00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:33.800 might describe as the fruits of that 00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:35.800 investment but we've got great people in 00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:38.360 now and and that'll help us a couple 00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:39.519 of years down the track so that's a 00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:41.639 future investment we've made now and 00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:43.880 that's actually a continuation of that 00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:45.559 is reflected in the budget that's before 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:47.239 you now so that was a new thing this 00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:49.719 Current financial year the other one 00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:52.400 is ongoing advocacy we've been 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:54.760 providing to the state government in 00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:58.119 particular around train funding of 00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:01.239 training and upskilling of existing 00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:02.599 Council employees and that's been 00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:03.679 successful and we're going to continue 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:07.119 to advocate for that funding support 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:09.079 and we'll also be looking to do that at 00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:10.760 a federal level too to help the federal 00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:12.039 government understand that if they want 00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:13.639 to meet some of their housing targets 00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.000 and freeing up the supply of housing 00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:17.840 relies on planners to be able to get 00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:19.639 things done and and that's something 00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:21.920 we're contining to Advocate you see that 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:23.800 you our advocacy priorities going 00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:27.280 forward too 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:31.440 more questions any more questions 00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:36.519 Council can we add a counc like to add a 00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.960 point three to the recommendation yes I 00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:42.119 think it's on teams but I can just 00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:43.760 read it out because Council Al won't 00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:46.280 have it on his teams say yep so it's 00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:48.559 a new point three the council prepares a 00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:49.880 proposal for the New South Wales 00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:51.760 government seeking reform of the 00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:54.159 pensioner rebate which applies to about 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.239 20% of bigger Valley's residential 00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.199 assess Ms so as to increase the rebate 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:01.719 rebate and for the New South Wales 00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:03.719 government to fully fund the relief 00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:05.440 noting that the rebate will cost biger 00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:08.800 Valley sh more than 636,000 next 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.400 financial 00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:17.000 year counc point three can you wish to 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:20.000 speak to your motion thank you Mr Mayor 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:22.119 Mr Mayor this is and the discussion 00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:24.719 today has made it quite plain this is a 00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.559 very sobering time for 00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:30.760 staff for counselors but it's more 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:32.920 sabering for the general Community we 00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:34.480 all realize the hardships that are out 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:36.639 there at the present time right across 00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.519 Australia for most Australians it's a 00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:40.679 very difficult time and it's a difficult 00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.000 time for councilors too to be resolving 00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:46.159 the way we we have resolved 00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:48.519 but when you look at these documents and 00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:49.159 the 00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:51.320 sabering discussions and Shing 00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:53.679 commentary within the documents it makes 00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.760 it very plain that if those 1.9 B ion 00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.320 dollar worth of our assets I use the 00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:02.199 word our because I'm a rate payer my 00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:04.639 family rate payers we're all basically 00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.960 rate payers and these are our assets 00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:09.440 this is our community these are our 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:13.119 assets and we can easily quite easily 00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:15.840 say no it's all too hard and let them 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:18.320 deteriorate let them 00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:21.239 depreciate to the point where the 00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.840 place becomes basically unlivable or do 00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:26.000 we make the hard decisions as difficult 00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:27.119 as they are 00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:29.400 given the circstances that 00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:31.440 exist and and make the make the big 00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:33.760 calls so that's that's what we're doing 00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:36.000 today we're making that hard call we do 00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:38.119 it reluctantly and we do it with great 00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:39.800 respect to the people who will be 00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:42.039 affected by these calls it hasn't been 00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:43.400 resolved at Council but it's had for 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.719 public exhibition and I suspect 00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:48.840 suspect that the documents they're very 00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:51.320 involved the very owners even for 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:52.639 people like myself who have been here a 00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.320 long time to understand so I I'd suggest 00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:57.400 that not many people that they really 00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.079 can get their minds around them unless 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.239 they're an acty or or an accountant 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:05.000 the ordinary ordinary ordinary person I 00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:07.840 that would really understand a lot of 00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.000 the docentation a lot of the wordage 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:12.079 within the docentation but be that as 00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:13.559 it Mayor that's there the rules will be 00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:16.000 run by implemented by the state 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:19.559 government but to to support what 00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:23.199 we're doing we must understand too that 00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:26.960 of roughly 5% of the dollar that every 00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:30.719 person pays in tax roughly 5% of that 00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:32.920 dollar comes to local government for all 00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:35.360 the facilities we provide for all the 00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:38.440 services we provide we get about 5 cents 00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.039 in the tax dollar back to local 00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:45.119 government now that is a fact of life 00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:46.960 but it's wrong it's not enough and 00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:49.599 clearly not enough to maintain and 00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:53.480 provide and and might the living 00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:55.840 standards within our communities better 00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:57.280 it's not enough enough money the state 00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:59.360 government imposed this thing called 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.320 rate pegging which is D is just an 00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:04.760 absolute mess it creates all sorts of 00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:06.760 havocs and then to overcome it we've 00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:08.880 then got to go cap in hand the staff 00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:11.239 have got to spend it months and months 00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:14.840 preparing docentation to seek special 00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.400 variation to keep the ship afloat we 00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:19.280 shouldn't have to do that we should be 00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:21.679 able to manage this business as we deal 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:24.280 with water as we do with sewage as we de 00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:26.840 with waste based on our own 00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:28.880 ability to run the business but we're 00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:30.480 not allowed to do that the state 00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:31.800 government won't allow us to do that and 00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:33.360 I'm talking about both sides of politics 00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:35.800 here individually I don't know a 00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:38.239 politician who supports right pegging 00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:39.920 collectively they're they're they're 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:41.679 they're a gutless legion because they 00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:43.719 all just get in behind the bandwagon and 00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:46.079 say it's got to it's got to occur and so 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:48.400 it has occurred and it's it's it's it's 00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:51.159 making their life so difficult for all 00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:53.199 because you get to the point where you 00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:55.119 have to go and and take a big bite of 00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:57.039 the cherry and stay instead of taking 00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:58.599 incremental bites all along the way and 00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:00.559 keeping things aoat you get to the point 00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:02.280 where there's a point of no return and 00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:04.079 we have to go banging we've heard the 00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:05.920 docented today and Council n and 00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.000 others have raised it yester today which 00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:09.280 clearly 00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:11.760 shows that we're going further and 00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:14.719 further backwards if we don't address 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:18.440 the ongoing situation of rising costs 00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:21.119 increased assets and more and more 00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:23.000 services that the community expect us to 00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:25.639 provide but in all in in most cases they 00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:27.519 expect those 00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.599 provided by bday bushe in other words 00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:32.599 who wants to pay for more services but 00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:33.960 if you don't pay for them that don't 00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:36.800 occur so it's a very difficult sit 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:40.360 situation we have responsibilities as 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:43.280 as counselors as I've said many times 00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:46.119 before and staff as well to address the 00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:48.920 issues that confront us as hard as that 00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:51.360 is and I think we've done that 00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:53.960 reasonably well not as not as well as we 00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:57.039 perhaps can in terms of the additional 00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:58.880 funding that will be needed to maintain 00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:02.280 the assets what concerns me a little bit 00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:05.639 is especially in my position over the 00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:08.000 years here is that we don't have the 00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:10.639 funds Now to turn any yellow Road into 00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:12.840 black there was a time when we had 00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:15.400 plans and we did it we turned all the 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:18.840 Village roads Village dirt roads into 00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:21.400 sealed roads and we were sealing roads 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:23.480 throughout the sh we can only do that 00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:24.960 now through grant funding and that's 00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:27.159 that's that's just a way is we're 00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:29.119 dependent on both federal government and 00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:31.920 state government that matter to allocate 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:34.880 more funds to us for the improvements 00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.400 that we should be get having and getting 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:39.280 for our communities and but that's 00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:40.880 just that's the way it is at the present 00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:43.679 time so Mr Mayor it's not it's not a 00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.480 it's not a docent that we relish 00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:48.960 it's a very saing do docent and it's 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:51.480 one that it goate to their hearts in 00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:53.679 terms of of the decisions we have to 00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:56.639 make but we have to make them and 00:56:56.719 --> 00:57:01.880 the the assets be that is getting 00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:03.320 close to $2 billion have to be 00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:04.800 maintained as simple is that the water 00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:06.760 has to flow the sewage has to flow the 00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:08.840 garbage has to be picked up and and 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:10.320 above all we've got to have a reasonable 00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:13.199 transport system because mothers have to 00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:15.280 know that when it they pick the children 00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:17.079 in the car to go to school of a Monday 00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:20.000 morning go to the bus the transport 00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:22.079 system must allow that to happen so 00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:23.719 that's a huge responsibility for us all 00:57:23.800 --> 00:57:25.280 and it's one we've just got to 00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:27.039 address and we were doing our best to 00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:29.880 address it thank you Mr me thanks any 00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:31.400 other speaker 00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:36.000 against speak for Council as your 00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:42.000 second that's all right thank you I 00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.480 just can Echo Council Allen's 00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:45.840 statements there especially when it 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.280 comes to cost shifting for both levels 00:57:48.360 --> 00:57:50.760 of go government particularly the state 00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:52.239 government as well and I mean I thank 00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:53.760 you councelor O'Neal for putting in the 00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:55.039 extra dot 00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:57.400 point I mean you could put in several 00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.280 dot points about 00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:02.199 things you want to Advocate and you 00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:03.559 know for what it's worth I was actually 00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:05.960 going to make particular thanks to 00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:08.840 the Jo country Mayors as well and the 00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:10.559 work that we're doing internally in this 00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:13.360 Council I know that that that when 00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:15.960 the state government Hears A biger 00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:20.480 Valley they do listen and we and 00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:22.400 so for that I'm I'm grateful for the ad 00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:24.440 advocacy that they that we do but it's 00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:25.679 it's time for them to actually sit down 00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:27.719 and listen now and I hope that part of 00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:29.639 these standing that committees that 00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:30.840 they're doing into Financial 00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:32.519 sustainability of council that they'll 00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:34.480 actually listen the one thing that isn't 00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.800 addressed sometimes though in those 00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:38.880 in those reports is our own ability to 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:40.800 create sorry our ability to create our 00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:43.920 own Revenue as well the CEO and I 00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:46.320 have had several talks about this about 00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:48.320 the limitations around us and 00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:50.599 anti-competition rules and whatever it 00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:52.840 might be about councils actually having 00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:54.280 the ability to generate their own 00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:56.480 Revenue which I think is a real shame 00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:58.559 especially in Regional areas as well 00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:00.760 where we could be you know a part of 00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:03.039 that wider economic growth in the 00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:04.880 area and take and have the ability to 00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:06.920 take pressure off our of our rate 00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:08.800 payers in doing so so I think that 00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:10.280 that's something that should be 00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:13.239 looked at in the future just back to 00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:15.639 the budget I think that that is a 00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:17.360 really important point we're only paying 00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:20.119 for 66% at the moment of funded of 00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:22.960 our roads Network so whatever you 00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:25.199 decide in this budget it's on exhibition 00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:27.400 and 00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.239 the makeup of it at the moment I 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:34.400 certainly am am not keen for I think 00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:35.920 that a few things need to be mixed 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:37.679 around my priorities aren't necessarily 00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:40.000 aligned with with that docent so I'll 00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:42.199 I'll just flag that and I think the Mayor 00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:43.679 said we should be making our own 00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:45.880 submissions that's fine I will do that 00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:47.039 so that's all right I also want to 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:50.480 thank the staff for A really lovely 00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:53.920 written and presented a budget it is 00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:56.280 very readable and the design is great 00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:58.679 and that's fantastic I've had a bit 00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:00.719 of a chat with il about it the only 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:02.480 thing that I could say that I'd love to 01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:05.440 see for the benefit of everyone is 01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:07.480 you know operational plan when it 01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:08.880 goes through the different cost 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.280 centers is to attach some sort of 01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:14.159 yeah capex to it so that you can 01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:16.360 actually see where the budget is you can 01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:17.679 you can get a sense of what they're 01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:19.159 actually doing more than just Core 01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:20.679 Business is great you know we cleaned 01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.559 the toilets we this year however we're 01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:26.360 replacing for by the way we're not but 01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:29.079 you know the hypthetically replacing a 01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:30.679 you know three toilets one in be one in 01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:33.079 Maringa one in Eden so that would be a 01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:34.199 great thing to have and just a little 01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:36.400 bit of extra detail I think for everyone 01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:38.719 but yeah so there's so in terms of 01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:41.199 putting this on public exhibition 01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:42.719 yeah I mean I don't know how many people 01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:44.440 read this docent but more than ever 01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:46.000 should be reading it because it is 01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:49.360 readable so I look forward to to 01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:50.880 hearing what people have to say and I 01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:52.559 look forward to a revised budget plan 01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:53.400 with some of those things that I 01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:56.039 mentioned in the beginning as as 01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:57.480 well some of those extra costs that 01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:00.320 we've incurred recently so thank 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.440 you speaker against speaker councel you 01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:06.920 want to speak thank you Mr Mayor 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:09.920 two points to add the first one is 01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:12.480 looking at the 23 strategies and our 01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:15.079 operating plan at the moment under 01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:17.679 our community strategic plan we've got 01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:19.760 such a wide range of themes and 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:22.079 objectives so I urge people who are 01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:23.679 looking at these accounts just to look 01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:25.079 at the wide range of things we're 01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:26.559 involved in 01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:28.239 but I also want to make that the 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:31.559 point in that we all the the themes and 01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:34.159 the objectives in those 23 strategies if 01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:35.599 we want to achieve there it's going to 01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:38.039 need work by a lot of players both the 01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:39.679 government and within the community get 01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:43.320 there so Mayorbe as we discussed the draft 01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:45.719 leading up to our June 26 final meeting 01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:48.000 on this we sort of clarify where the 01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:49.719 council needs to set its priorities 01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:53.960 within those 23 strategies otherwise 01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:55.519 there's not so much guidance to staff 01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:59.119 there of where to to focus and 01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:00.800 reiterating that if you look down the 01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:02.679 back of the Strategic assets management 01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:05.239 plan of the shortfalls in spending on 01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:07.079 some of our core areas in roads and 01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:09.159 bridges it's really something we're all 01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:11.360 going to have to focus on over the next 01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:14.440 year the special rate variation has 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:16.800 bought its time now it's all of our 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:18.639 responsibility to actually look at what 01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:20.880 we must do what we cannot do and 01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:23.920 advocate for the gap which brings me to 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:26.159 my second Point the reason I 01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:27.440 suggested we add the point about the 01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:30.639 pension of rebate is that as the 01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:33.480 Mayor gets ready to go with the 01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:35.960 Regional joint organization up to Sydney 01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:37.639 to 01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:40.360 Advocate these documents say we one of 01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:42.639 the biggest shes all on the coast of New 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.400 South Wales we have a population with an 01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:48.360 average age of 52 so far above the state 01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:50.239 average things like the pension or 01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:53.760 rebate hits us far more than it hits 01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:56.760 either Western New South Wales or 01:02:56.840 --> 01:02:59.440 urban New South Wales and we need to 01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:01.119 really bring it home to as many people 01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:04.480 as possible that in some cases we are 01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:06.559 hit particularly hard by things which 01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:08.639 can be changed and should be changed 01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:11.039 like the pension or rebate I think 01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:12.199 the last time we looked at this it 01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:13.519 looked like the pension or rebate 01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:15.079 legislation hadn't been looked after for 01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:17.800 some decades it's well overdue and 01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:19.039 something that can be fixed up in the 01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:21.719 next year and help our local residents 01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:24.119 while still retaining support for 01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:25.719 low-income members of the community 01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:28.159 which is essential I think I mean the 01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:29.800 pension of rebate is an very important 01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:32.280 tool for getting equal access to 01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:35.800 services but unless bigger Valley shy 01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:37.599 gets more money we can't provide an 01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:39.760 adequate service level for our community 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:43.679 members thank you than no anyone else 01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:48.639 wish to speak just briefly well coun 01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:50.920 says there some pretty hard sobering 01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:52.679 things in here I totally agree because 01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:54.440 we've known that for a while but there 01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:56.159 is some good news in here I look at the 01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:57.880 road spend and we've brought that's been 01:03:57.960 --> 01:03:59.880 brought up several times but in the next 01:03:59.960 --> 01:04:02.000 budget Year we're talking about a spend 01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:05.440 on sealed roads of 11.7 million 5 01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:08.079 million of that is capital on Bridges 01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:09.559 we're talking to spend of 9 million but 01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:11.559 it's all capital because we've got some 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:13.280 Bridges through fixing country 01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:14.920 Bridges progr that's no 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:17.679 longer provided anymore but they were 01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:20.039 successful grants that the staff got and 01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:21.559 allowed us to do some other Bridges so 01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:23.320 there is some good news in there there I 01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:25.199 think it's $8 million to be spent on 01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:26.599 sports grounds or recreational 01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:29.360 facilities as well across the board so 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.320 there is quite a quite a big spend in 01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:32.559 some areas our sporting ground 01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:34.480 facilities was a total 11 million most 01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:36.159 of that is capital of course with a be 01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:38.159 and P the sporting R but it's still a 01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:40.400 $1.2 million spend out our operational 01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:42.400 money on our Sports grounds which is 01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:44.519 quite an achievement for when we have so 01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:47.119 many sports grounds in the P the 01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:49.280 picturesque way they look at the present 01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:51.239 time down at George Brown this morning 01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:52.280 it's quite incredible how that ground 01:04:52.360 --> 01:04:54.960 over looks as well so yeah I totally 01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:58.199 concur with everyone said and agree 01:04:58.280 --> 01:04:59.840 with comments of everyone there's other 01:04:59.920 --> 01:05:01.639 areas we can look at I'm try and save 01:05:01.719 --> 01:05:03.440 costs and making sure that we don't go 01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:05.440 ahead with things that as Council a 01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:06.800 alluded to you know that we have another 01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:08.320 look at the youth space the way we go 01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:10.360 there as as well as Tia Beach as those 01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:12.400 come forward and start bring them to us 01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:14.440 from time to time so it's important that 01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:16.800 we we keep our eyes on those costings in 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:18.360 those little projects that we keep them 01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:20.599 under control thank you 01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:22.840 councilors Council Al you want any WR a 01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:26.199 reply put the motion all those in favor 01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:27.960 very dous thanks 01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:29.639 counselors 01:05:29.719 --> 01:05:32.400 no no council reports no recision 01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:34.840 alterations motions no notice motions 01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:36.679 questions with no questions with notice 01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:40.880 questions without no counil 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:44.199 coun yeah sorry Mr Mayor just an update 01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:45.199 if 01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:48.400 St would mind on the void counter 01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:49.920 State 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:54.000 subdivision 01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:58.920 take that on Noti and bring 01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:02.159 answer would the council staff 01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:04.159 update us on the number of Da lodged and 01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:06.440 determined in the the recent quarter 01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:09.039 including processing times noting that 01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:11.440 the New South Wales portal tracker is 01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:13.039 actually saying that bigger Valley is 01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:15.599 taking a gross number of days of 165 and 01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:19.199 I understand we are doing better than 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:23.480 that sure you Mr Mayor I do have a 01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:25.519 report coming to the next Council 01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:27.119 meeting the 22 Mayor council meeting that 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:28.639 will explain the statistics in more 01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:30.440 detail but I can give you an overview 01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:34.599 now we are tracking our da statistics 01:06:34.679 --> 01:06:36.800 quarterly so for the first quarter of 01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:39.719 this calendar year January to March 01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:43.360 our average net da processing time is 01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:45.840 86.1 5 days which has come down 01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:47.760 significantly from 01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:50.440 117.8 s days at the end of the last 01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:54.119 calendar year that is a significant 01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:56.599 you know Improvement and it's du to a 01:06:56.679 --> 01:06:58.360 lot of effort on behalf of the staff and 01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:00.679 staff right across the organization 01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:04.400 it is still too early to know if that is 01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:06.039 sustainable because it is dependent on 01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:07.480 the number of Das that are coming in as 01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:09.679 well on the complexity of Das but it is 01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:11.320 promising to see that our assessment 01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:13.719 times are decreasing now that is net 01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:16.880 average assessment processing times 01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:20.039 the difference between net and gross 01:07:20.119 --> 01:07:21.719 processing times which I reported on as 01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:24.159 well gross processing times include stop 01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:26.079 clock what stop clock 01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:28.159 time is is if we have to request 01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:29.360 additional information from the 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:31.599 applicant so if they haven't addressed 01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:32.440 an 01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:34.840 element adequately and we need to go 01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:36.199 back for further information and we're 01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:38.119 waiting on the applicant to provide that 01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:40.079 that's we call that stop clock and we 01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:41.760 don't count that in the net processing 01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:42.840 times because there's nothing that we 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:44.559 can do from our perspective to keep that 01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:49.079 da moving in terms of Da numbers that 01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:50.960 have been 01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:56.960 determined sorry I'm just finding 01:07:57.039 --> 01:08:01.519 that's in the 2023 Financial year we 01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:05.079 determined 414 Das across the whole 01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:06.920 calendar year in the first three 01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:09.400 months of this year we've determined 70 01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:12.000 now the numbers that we get out each 01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:13.480 quarter do depend on the complexity of 01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:14.679 the Das that we're looking at so if 01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:17.359 we're looking at larger developments 01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:19.399 they take a lot longer than simple 01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:20.720 houses or 01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:24.000 sheds sorry councelor does that provide 01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:25.640 you with an overview for now and more a 01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:26.800 report will be coming to the next 01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:29.680 meeting thank you very much Council any 01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:30.600 further 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:33.039 questions no further questions Council 01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:38.079 close the meeting at 308 thank you